I nearly always opt for a higher framerate, but the 40fps uncapped mode is so good in this game. The raytracing looks awesome, resolution is crisp, and it's fluid enough for me to really enjoy it. I wish more games went this route.

@GlazeonthewickeR

9 ай бұрын

I haven’t started it yet because I was too damn tired last night after work, but I will remember to choose this mode when I jump in later today :)

@jamessloan7432

9 ай бұрын

I'm exact same, couldn't believe how good it looked/felt on fidelity. Playing on performance does look that little bit smoother, but not enough to push me to that mode

@Zdman2001

9 ай бұрын

Me too. It feels miles ahead of 30fps. And only slightly worse than 60. It looks sooo good.

@OTDECK

9 ай бұрын

I’m the same as you allways do the same but that 40 is nice

@OTDECK

9 ай бұрын

I feel like you both know your frames and games ❤ you’ve made me switch back to fidelity 😂 because I thought the exact same thing

We need more games supporting 40fps mode, its definitely a lot better than 30fps , from 30 to 40 its noticeable, its different from 60 to 80 with VRR.

@Mailman1117

9 ай бұрын

It is definitely the sweet spot all this 4k 60 on console seems like a struggle for them to hit so they might as well shoot for 40 with the highest res possible.

@GrimAbstract

9 ай бұрын

I really enjoy 40fps and I think FF16 specifically would’ve benefited from having an 40fps mode lmao

@ian_sear

9 ай бұрын

And here's me that can't tell the difference between 30 and 60. Which I'm glad about.

@linhza501

9 ай бұрын

@@ian_sear Either you are trolling or you need your eyes checked, fast.

@armdrk3233

9 ай бұрын

We need a PS5 Pro so we can have smooth 60 FPS + high visual quality at the same time.

One thing I learned while playing this game is that the difference between 30 and 40fps is way more significant to my eye than I ever anticipated. Absolutely loving the 40fps mode.

Absolutely love the 40fps mode. Haven’t had an issue with it. It’s sooooo good. Every game should have this mode available

@cameronlittleton8240

9 ай бұрын

Me too bro! 40 Uncapped 120 is the way to go!

@Chosen1_24

9 ай бұрын

​@@cameronlittleton8240 So what's the best experience with the visual and steady good frames? Put Fidelity mode then VRR uncapped and then 120 hz enabled?

@Serandi1987

9 ай бұрын

40 FPS in 2023? its a very big shame!! I need min 120 FPS at 120Hz in 2023! so I go at least with a 4090!

@mystyc9

9 ай бұрын

@@cameronlittleton8240i love that too😊

@bars9112

9 ай бұрын

​@@Serandi1987But you don't have Spider Man 2 go play cs2

Performance mode doesn't cut it for me, the game looks blurry on a big screen. I wish they'd include a performance mode with no raytracing and better resolution like in previous games. Though I have to say the Fidelity mode at 40 fps + uncapped VRR is amazing. Strikes a great balance of image quality & fluidity.

@nathaniles5456

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, I'm really hoping they add a standard performance mode in a future patch. It's how I played 1 and Miles Morales and it was perfect for me, I don't like the hit to crowd density that has to happen for nicer reflections and shit

@LeocaprioDinardo

7 ай бұрын

That not true, Im played the game in a huge tv (75”) and zero blurry and I have a good eye for that. Oc IQ in quality is better.

@reignorielleortega6237

2 күн бұрын

No way enxgma commented my childhood 🥰

The fidelity 120 uncapped VRR is a god send. I wish this option was standard for every console game!

@DrezzyEFTP

9 ай бұрын

Is it possible to turn all that on?

@TheRealBOBlibob

9 ай бұрын

​@@DrezzyEFTP It's just Fidelity mode with an uncapped frame rate. I prefer a consistent framerate

@gatewayrealtor664

9 ай бұрын

It's actually been debunked that it can hit 120 FPS. There were other videos that pointed out digital foundries mistake. Even uncapped it does not go above 60

@goncaloduarte4683

9 ай бұрын

​@@gatewayrealtor664 that video itself was debunked.

@user-ur3cl2pq5i

9 ай бұрын

@@gatewayrealtor664 really sixty is the limit ?

I play Fidelity mode with vrr uncapped and 120fps on my C2 55 inch. The game looks gorgeous and so smooth. Didn’t expect that

12:00 seeing peter's warped reflection in the balloons is such a cool use of rt for me. Even on performance mode it looks so amazing and makes me wish this gen had a bit more rt horsepower so stuff like this could become more of a standard!

@joelmatchett6599

9 ай бұрын

Dude those are the best looking balloons I've ever seen in a video game 😂😂😂

@Lyoko42o

9 ай бұрын

​@joelmatchett6599 ikr. I gawked and showed my girlfriend and even she was amazed.

@EmraldWolf

9 ай бұрын

the pro will be coming out next year probably and then it probably will become the standard...wouldn't surprise me if they gave Spiderman 2 an upgrade for the new system as well kind of like they did with Spiderman remastered for ps4 pro

Been playing at 40fps, 120Hz and VRR at smoothed and it's looked and played incredibly well. Genuinely felt like 60fps and had to do a double check with my settings on multiple occasions.

Fedility mode at the 40fps on my c2 Oled is fantastic!

@SilverBld

9 ай бұрын

You recommend it?

@mercsquad89

9 ай бұрын

❤

@PsychoPablo

9 ай бұрын

Do you think I should get rid of my 32inch 4k monitor for a LG C2/C3? I honestly miss having a TV.

@HugoStiglitz88

9 ай бұрын

Same on my CX

@Qbavision

9 ай бұрын

Do you have vrr uncapped or smooth

Fidelity mode is a MUST for me on this game, the visuals are unbelievable, in performance the characters look kinda playdough like, the slight drop in frame rate is noticeable but its not gonna ruin the game AT ALL all the animations are done so well that it really doesn’t effect it to bad

@thespider8654

9 ай бұрын

Agreed. In fidelity the game looks so cinematic

@raikirik703

8 ай бұрын

I've been playing in Fidelity as well. For gameplay I like performance mode most of the time but cutscenes just don't look good to me in higher framerates. It reminds me of soap opera effect from smoothing motion for movies/TV shows.

I'm playing in performance mode when doing open world activities and switching to fidelity for story missions. The 60 fps is a must during fights and open world travel, you are crazy to play this in 30-40 fps just to watch some cleaner reflections. Insomniac are god tier now!

Performance all the way for me, it really isn't noticeable while playing since everything is moving fast most of the time, only in the forced moments where you have to sneak, walk and talk!

I am playing in Fidelity mode with VRR uncapped and I feel like I’m getting the best of both worlds. The frame rate is 60 most of the time and 40 in this game looks great. I don’t want to miss any RT goodness, and there is plenty on display in this game. After I beat the story I will go to full performance mode and see what super 60fps looks like.

Excellent analysis, keep up the good work! Did you changed your voice for a higher pitch one? I preferred the other one

Yeah the blurriness of performance mode was bothering the hell out of me personally..

Wow, I’ve always played on performance mode but fidelity uncapped is amazing. Looks so good.

@qwerttzizzi

9 ай бұрын

Uncapped is only possible if you have a VRR tv?

@thedoomslayer108_YT

9 ай бұрын

​@@qwerttzizzi, a 120hz TV or monitor is required to play Fidelity Mode at 40 FPS.

@qwerttzizzi

9 ай бұрын

@@thedoomslayer108_YT ok sad

@tinocabral4201

9 ай бұрын

@@thedoomslayer108_YTI have a 120hz monitor, it lets me change vrr in game but not in ps5 settings. Is this okay?

If you have a 120Hz VRR TV or Monitor, this game is best played at Fidelity 120Hz mode with the unlocked frame rate. While it does drop sometimes, for the most part my monitor is reporting upwards of 50fps when traversing the city and I’ve seen it report nearly 70fps during some interior scenes. I normally choose to sacrifice RT in games for 60fps, but I’m so impressed how well fidelity runs that I’m sticking with it for now.

@ItsHeavyHitterNation

9 ай бұрын

Yeah im going from 70s to 120 alot when swing through town

@IwinMahWay

9 ай бұрын

What does perf uncapped give ? In fps?

@3lDiabl00

9 ай бұрын

@@IwinMahWay from 60 to 80 fps

@youngaspi

9 ай бұрын

I prefer performance 120hz smoothed vrr

@JohnjOcampo

9 ай бұрын

​@@youngaspiperformance mode takes away from the HDR experience, the loss of picture quality is not worth it, by far the worst performance mode out of the last three spiderman games.

Fidelity mode is clearly how the games is supposed to be experienced. Fidelity + 40fps uncapped mode is the way to go, it's awesome.

@crazykenbei

9 ай бұрын

Lol I'm not playing in 30fps. I got a 60hz tv.

@Dad_Life13

9 ай бұрын

@@crazykenbeiyou also have 4k tv which you’ll not use in favor of fps and will experience lesser crowd in the city

@crazykenbei

9 ай бұрын

@@Dad_Life13 what can I say I don't like people so the less the better 😆

@nichie1931

9 ай бұрын

​@@crazykenbeiSpoken like a true gamer/introvert, I don't like people too AHAHAHA

@FEWGEE1

9 ай бұрын

30 fps is never a better option than 60 fps, especially in a fast paced game like this. 30 fps is unplayable on an OLED.

Fidelity 120 uncapped is really amazing. One of the very few times I selected fidelity against performance in games. The visuals are amazing and the 40-60 fps is pretty smooth in general.

@casey_sux

9 ай бұрын

thing is the PS5's VRR doesn't go below 48Hz, so anything below that is gonna look juddery

@KC80SiX

9 ай бұрын

@@casey_sux not sure where you get this info but still. 0 tearing or weird looking images.

@fillerbunnyninjashark271

9 ай бұрын

No VRR goes below 48fps

@AbraCaStabra

9 ай бұрын

​@@casey_suxNot entirely true. Devs can implement LFC on a per game basis.

@LordRamses22

9 ай бұрын

Devs can implement Low Framerate Compensation by themselves. They did it with Ratchet and Clank and first Spider Man... so 40 fps vrr actually works. @@casey_sux

Also note that when you are in fidelity mode 120hz VRR cap 40 FPS the video output switches to YUV (slight difference in colorimetry) and no longer to RGB because of the flow rate of HDMI which is currently incapable of supporting 4K 120hz in RGB

@kal_9032

9 ай бұрын

But if you play without limit, use the RGB range?

I found out that if you Use the 120hz mode, the image is limited to YCBCR422 color display ( on a 4k display). So if you use a 120Hz display with VRR SMOOTHED option, i suggest you disable the 120Hz mode to have full RGB 12b Color. BUT keep in mind you have a bit more latency.

@JohnjOcampo

9 ай бұрын

The only way to enjoy fidelity mode is to turn on 120hz uncapped, the visual downgrade in performance mode is simply not worth it. The difference between full RGB 12b and 8bit is barely noticeable.

Great video, Oliver. One nit-pick is your view that RT is reduced overall in perf-mode in SM2 vs SMR. We need to remember that the quality of the RT itself ( where both are matched up ) is significantly better and water retains RT which didn't exist in the remaster at all so it evens itself out.

I've been waiting for this breakdown, DF always deliveres

What I find to be the most impressive feat coming out of insomniac is there ability to drop these technical masterpieces and be able to do so one after the other in what seems like a very short amount of development time. I don’t know what they got going on in that studio, but it seems like the entire industry could learn from them.

@WellTraveledGamer

9 ай бұрын

Of course this game had a short development time. 😂 They literally have made 3 games that are based in the same location. They obviously used assets from the first 2 games. Essentially, only had to work on the “new” sections of New York. 3/4 of the game was copy and pasted. That’s sooo impressive 🥱🙄😲

@fedeterra42

9 ай бұрын

@@WellTraveledGamer you sure know a lot about engine upgrades, asset creation and programing om general /s

@CZJames20

9 ай бұрын

maybe it has something to do with the fact, that they´re reusing the same city assets for the 3rd time now..

@TheScrubmuffin69

9 ай бұрын

​@fedeterra42 and so do you, clearly!

@TheScrubmuffin69

9 ай бұрын

Sony fanboys after insomniac releases the same game with slightly better graphics for the 3rd year in a row, aka the call of duty model: "wow! How do they do it?"

The 120hz Fidelity mode with VRR enabled on my LG C1 is super impressive. It gives the impression of over 40 fps for sure and I'm curious if that is what I'm actually seeing.

@paulgal

9 ай бұрын

You can check fps push the green button on your remote 8x fast

@bnutz3k

9 ай бұрын

@@paulgal holy crap! Confirmed. That's awesome. Thank you!

@fillerbunnyninjashark271

9 ай бұрын

VRR doesn't work under 48fps

@woot123sexyparty

9 ай бұрын

@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 Not true with the C1.

@paulgal

9 ай бұрын

@@bnutz3k no problem .

so impressive, outstanding work!

I was looking forward to more info regarding the fidelity mode at 120hz with smoothed VRR. It seems a lot like 60fps to me most of the time since I don’t see the slight hitching effect I usual notice at 40. Also I just find hilarious how almost every time there’s a cut to the camera recording directly of the tv it always appears to be in the default game mode settings that look horrible.

game looks pretty great but i think the RT in performance mode is clearly very heavy and as such visuals take too big of a hit for me. i wish there was a non-RT performance mode. but either way, the 40Hz mode is great so i've been sticking with that! i can't believe there's still only a handful of games this gen that offer a 40Hz mode!!

@jollama

9 ай бұрын

Insomniac said the standard performance mode wasn’t necessary anymore

@kostasbousbouras2654

9 ай бұрын

The hit in performance mode is not big. Especially when you play the game, you barely notice the difference except maybe the crispness in resolution.

Funny how out of all the amazing tech and visuals the one thing that really blew me away was some suits have a cape and the soft body physics on the capes are next level and make me want a Batman game from these guys : D

@irecordwithaphone1856

9 ай бұрын

To be fair Rocksteady already nailed cape physics and that was back in 2015

@krono5el

9 ай бұрын

@@irecordwithaphone1856 oh yeah i remember those batman games but i had to beat the first or second with the batman beyond suit, those capes looked so silly i couldnt do it : P

@IwinMahWay

9 ай бұрын

​@@irecordwithaphone1856and smoke physics were godly. Only second to flight sim 2020

@oukeith

9 ай бұрын

A Superman game made by insomniac would be next level

@lofi1598

9 ай бұрын

looks like ps4 game and bugy game the combat is weak in this game no thanks batman way better @@krono5el

I just upgraded to ps5 after owning an xbox since the ps2. One thing I immediately notice about next gen is that loading times are cut down by about 80%. I also like how the cutscenes flow really smoothly with gameplay. If I glide into somewhere the cutscene will start with my character gliding in and it seems to be pretty dynamic.

Playing on performance mode and having a blast. I did however notice a little bit of ghosting in fidelity mode, but its still a pretty looking game.

In the heat of gameplay I can hardly notice a downgrade for performance mode and it's so dang smooth. What a wonderfully optimized game.

@Platerpus7

7 ай бұрын

I deff can tell the difference

@dooleh84

6 ай бұрын

​@@Platerpus7From ~2.5m away from a 65 inch 4k tv, I really don't see a huge difference graphically, but the fidelity mode has a lot more people and cars on the streets, it is packed compared to the performance mode. I'm still on performance because 30fps makes me feel like I haven't upgraded from my PS4 pro.

Honestly I hope insomniac brings out a patch like horizon forbidden west to upgrade the pormance mode’s resolution, since I feel it is possible to keep it at 1440p with a solid 60fps

I was sceptical about paying £60 for a video game. I had some money in my pay Pal balance from some album sales so purchased this and Mario Wonder. Spiderman 2 is a substantial leap over the previous two games from a visual standpoint. Superior city detail, colour and lighting. Oliver. I heard your thoughts on RT being pulled back a touch in performance mode but the speed that you can traverse the city is most likely the reason. The speed with the wing suit and using air currents is about 4 times faster than the other games in the series...this may explain the mild cut backs? What Insomniac has made here is phenomenal. Both in detail, story and even more important, gameplay. It's such a leap over other AAA first party games on other platforms. I've come off the back of a 2nd play through ,this year on PC maxed out.. originally playing Spidey on PS4 Pro and then Miles on PS5. Spiderman 2 surpasses the PC versions of the previous two games maxed out by quite some way . Lucky for Sony as Insomniac are holding the fort right now...an incredible studio PS: I care not for super heros, Marvel etc but I really enjoy these Spiderman games.

I also noticed a grid like pop ins in the sky with film grain set to 10. I turned it down to 5 and it seemed to have fixed it.

As 120hz displays become more ubiquitous I really hope that 40fps becomes the new 30. It’s noticeably smoother, and comes without a lot of the cutbacks of the higher frame rate modes. I love it.

@spyro440

9 ай бұрын

I really hope 60 becomes the new 30 :)

@SeasoningTheObese

9 ай бұрын

I can't believe we're dealing with 30 fps in 2023.

@Starless85

8 ай бұрын

@@SeasoningTheObese yeah. It kinda sucks. I don’t think people foresaw the new tech like dlss, line tracing etc, and how expensive they might be on performance. For some games it might be worth the performance cost, for others definitely not. I think 40 is noticeably smoother, but going from 60 to 30 almost feels like watching stop motion until your eyes reacclimatize. For most games I think the extra fluidity does more for “real feel” than the new tech does. But 40fps I feel is a good sweet spot. So when 120hz displays became the baseline standard, maybe 40fps with all the Bells and whistles can become the new low end with 60 fps and 120fps options depending on the game.

I've been playing the game with 4K - 120Hz using Fidelity VRR 40fps Smoothed. The uncapped seems like it would be great, but I'm not quite sure how much of the resolution drops using it.

@rogalsonus9129

9 ай бұрын

Me exactly the same. I didn't find the answer to this question in the video above. I even wrote a query to the creators. They don't recommend uncapped themselves, and it's not clear why. If VRR keeps frame drops in check, why isn't it the best mode? What do we lose between smooth and uncapped?

Note: in the performance mode the frames drop like crazy when you start swinging at higher speed and go really high in the sky using the web wings.

The new game plus update actually added RT reflections to car windows in performance mode! The LOD distance for trees was also increased.

@msnehamukherjee

4 ай бұрын

They added a lot of RT reflections in the missing places as well. Looks like Insomniac devs do watch DF analysis videos.

I'm playing in performance mode 120 Hz with vrr unlocked and I don't even feel the need to try anything else, the game looks absolutely stunning and runs smooth. Goty contender for sure

40fps mode is one of my favorite additions. Smoother experience while the game also looks stunning

@nushaithshimar3429

8 ай бұрын

Do you need VRR for that ? Or does it just works if 120hz is enabled ?

@envoyofrot7046

8 ай бұрын

@@nushaithshimar3429 Since I got both enabled I do not know. I think it works with just 120hz

@nushaithshimar3429

8 ай бұрын

@@envoyofrot7046 both are available. When you enable the vrr it's just gets uncapped from capped

this was incredibly helpful as someone who gets confused by all the settings 😭 thank you

As always, outstanding work Oliver ! And, as always SUPERB WORK INSOMNIAC - 40FPS uncapped vrr feels and plays like 60 with full rt and graphics - this is not your typical gamepass game that is released in beta state

I tried both modes myself and I don't like the 60fps mode, it sacrifices too much of the image quality. This isn't really noticeable on a 1080p display, but anything above that it really stands out. If, like me, you're on a large 4k HDR tv then the difference is quite stark. What I might do is try the performance mode once I've finished the main story quests, but for the time being I'll put up with the fidelity mode because it looks absolutely stunning.

@callumeaton5451

9 ай бұрын

Really disappointing that the performance mode is visually worse than Spiderman Remastered's performance RT. 900p on a next gen exclusive is pretty poor. Wonder if this is an indication of developers focusing more on 30 fps modes for graphical fidelity and shoehorning in low quality 60fps modes; after a promising couple of years of solid 60fps options on PS5. Hopefully we get a performance RT option again but still a let down for release customers.

@youraveragegamer4194

9 ай бұрын

​@@callumeaton5451 My thoughts were the same. I was extremely disappointed at how bad the performance mode looks on my 4K HDR 55inch TV when compared to the fidelity mode, which is quite amazing. Though, I can't handle 30fps for longer periods, so I had to go back to 60fps. One thing that I observed was, in the later half of the game it looks much better, it doesn't make sense but that's what's actually happening. I've played around 12-13 hours and the first 4 hours were horrible (visual wise). And I was so disappointed that the game looks worse than the 2018 remastered PS5 version. Maybe insomniac can notice that and fix it or give us an option of performance RT like the remastered version.

@sellingacoerwa8318

9 ай бұрын

@@callumeaton5451 You wouldn't even be able to notice any of this if you hadn't watched a video full of stills and slow motion blow ups of tiny sections of a window in a game where the you're fighting, flying and swinging at 90 mph most of the time. And as someone who just replayed Spiderman Remastered on performance RT in prep for this, if you think it somehow "looks worse" than Spiderman 2 you're one of internet comment bros talking about something they've never experienced like some phony. This game moves faster and puts more huge incredible graphical moments on screen than the first Spiderman ever came close to doing. If the footage of that city-sized fight with Sandman didn't make that point in your brain and all you can focus on instead of stuff like that is "that side window of those cars have slightly lower rez reflections if stand still and stare intensely at it and a side by side, Well, I think your priorities are askew

@Da-iken

9 ай бұрын

40FPS Vrr is the best way to play imo. Good quality and good fps.

@Bigchngus

9 ай бұрын

Thank you for this info, I have the same problem I play on a 4k hdr large tv as well I excepted the game to be stunning, but I got abit disappointed by the graphics, but I still couldn’t figure out why devices with lower resolutions give out better performances for graphics than my tv, could u please give a solution, can i turn down the resolution settings from 4k to 1440p? I felt Spider-Man miles morales had better performance settings than spider man 2

Using 40 uncapped on LG C2 and I'm loving it

@dannyCoolSwag

9 ай бұрын

Will you get 40fps smothered??

Many thanks Oliver, I noted, there was cast shadow from pedestrians and vehicles in Ray Tracing Reflection also, in comparison of Spider-Man Remastered

I have an LG oled and I’ve spent the last 10 hours switching back and forth but I honestly might go with fidelity uncapped vrr and 120 display on auto. It really does feel like it’s running higher than 40 almost at 60. The menu pop up on my tv says 119fps but idk how true that is but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was wrong

Great overview. Personally I can’t imagine creeping around in 30fps trying to spot RT reflections in door knobs, I’ll take 60 and swing wildly through the city all day. Love to see the options though!

@strker99

9 ай бұрын

Definitely agree that the game is better at 60fps however there's more to the fidelity mode than better Ray tracing. You will also get a higher pedestrian and traffic density as well as higher quality hair for characters. But if you don't have a 120hz TV 60fps is the way to go.

@tylervincent2559

9 ай бұрын

Typical.

@ryanh.739

9 ай бұрын

💯👌 To each their own….. but I can’t do performance mode. Dead Space, Forbidden West and now Spider-Man 2 in Performance mode looks like a cartoon, + low population, low traffic, jaggy hair, low res ray tracing. Low shadows, reduce motion blur, Low quality visual effects just to make the game run smoother. Running in Perf mode makes SpiderMan 2 look like a ps4 game. Just with really fast loading. But I get it, most gamers don’t care about visual effects now days. All they care about is framerate no matter what. I can understand that for multiplayer games, but for single player games, especially relatively easy, single player games, I need 4K Ultra. Just my preference tho.

@Glotttis

9 ай бұрын

100% agreed that 60fps is much superior. I don't know what's happening with 40fps craze, feels like some gaming enthusiasts are under collective insanity. One day they woke up and decided "ahh you know what, i want to go back to choppy low fps".

@princssnasty

9 ай бұрын

@@ryanh.739dawg in all of the shots in this video the traffic density of performance mode is EXACTLY EQUAL to fidelity, there’s only a few shots that show lower pedestrian density 😂

The visual disparity between modes is even more significant in late game when visuals really ramp up and there’s a lot going on on screen. Fidelity Mode is def the way to go with this one. There’s also a lot of aliasing or shimmering in general in performance mode that is definitely noticable from a normal viewing distance.

Gonna go with the fidelity vrr unlocked option. Nice performance analysis DF

Great work DF!

Man the fact that they can squeeze out 60fps with barely any visual differences speaks volumes about their technical expertise. 60 really should be a bare minimum expectation by now but the last 2 Microsoft titles (Starfield and Redfall) were capped at 30fps on console.

Seems impossible to resist the performance mode despite the slight cuts in graphics. Just look how smooth and nice it looks during fast cutscenes and gameplay at 60 fps. So fluid and comfortable to the eyes.

@andrewovalle6456

9 ай бұрын

Same I tried doing that 40fps method- but I prefer playing on high fps a lot more

I've been playing on Fidelity with 120 on and VRR set to Smooth, and loving it.

Thanks for this video!

I dropped Spider-Man 2 sadly because of the image quality in performance mode. I know ray tracing is the "big thing" in gaming and every developer wants to opt for it but I am missing the normal performance mode without RT from the other two Spider-Man games. I was shocked how blurry the image looks in Spider-Man 2 performance mode. I tried all of the graphic settings and switched my TV settings all the time as I thought something must be broken but no: it actually is the game itself. I even reinstalled Spider-Man Remastered and checked there and I've been confirmed that the image quality/resolution is way better here in performance mode compared the SP2 which is very sad. Spider-Man 2 performance mode comes with a blurry image resolution, bad colors, artifacts and it even uses dithering/ghosting instead of normal transparent effects. All of this worked better in the previous games. I hope Insomniac will patch the old performance mode without Ray Tracing as additional possibility. I don't need Ray Tracing if it is impactng so many other key components. Am I the only one who noticed that as I only hear praise about the technical aspect of the game?

@Rene-jv7rf

9 ай бұрын

Thats you lost, o and buy some pair of glases, the game is a stunner.....

@cristopher8186

9 ай бұрын

I noticed the same thing unfortunately, coming off of miles morales the graphics difference was big. We need a 60fps non ray traycing mode

@dioortigas1329

9 ай бұрын

​​@@Rene-jv7rfNo your standards are just probably dirt low you wouldnt see it even if it was enciricled with a sharpee

@lautsss2333

9 ай бұрын

fr, i am loving the game but the way that performance mode looks honestly got me changing and changing between fidelity and performance, i find stupid that they did choose rt over 4k, the game loses so much in performance it’s honestly sad, cause it looks unbelievable in fidelity

@AirShadowRasengan

9 ай бұрын

@@lautsss2333 exactly, the Fidelity mode is just to clunky for me as I am missing the "smoothness" from the first two games (especially for this kind of game with great swinging animations etc)... Either they patch the old Performance mode back in or I have to get a VRR screen to at least get that 40 FPS 😅

What I don’t really understand - what would the difference be between performance mode (60fps) , and the 120hz turned on with performance mode and “smoothed” - wouldn’t those two modes be exactly the same??

@fillerbunnyninjashark271

9 ай бұрын

If it was real 120, input delay would be near none existent. The lower the frame rate, the longer the input delay.

@bellehook

9 ай бұрын

with the "smoothed" mode, if the framerate drops below 60 then VRR should smooth it out, no reason not to enable it.

Does anyone else notice low res HUD and subtitles on both mods? Drives me crazy

Any reason why the performance mode is only reconstructed to 1440p output and not 4K? Is there a higher minimum native resolution required for 4K reconstruction with their Temporal injection compared to other methods like fsr2/dlss etc which can be reconstructed from 1080p or even lower to 4K ? At least fsr2, even if its nowhere close to native rendering, 1080p base to 4K output still looks better than 1080p to 1440p output when displaying to a 4K TV.

I’ve noticed this with Ratchet and Clank snd Horizon. Forbidden west as well. Fidelity mode looks breath taking in these games, performance mode is a huge drop in visual quality, but still fun and much smoother. I find myself using fidelity mode more often since the change is so drastic for me.

@jonny5143

9 ай бұрын

I recommend building a PC so you can have the best of both worlds. I changed over in 2016 because of how under powered the consoles were, and I can't ever go back now

@JeremyLouisGaming

9 ай бұрын

@@jonny5143 yes, that’s my next move when i buy a bigger house. I have all consoles but since PC seems to be getting every game and better performance. that seems like the best place to game. Not to mention not having to pay for online gaming.

@jonny5143

9 ай бұрын

@@JeremyLouisGaming for sure, the consoles are fine for what they are and their price points, but once you see what this stuff looks like running on a high end system, you just can't go back lol.

@ActNasty5

9 ай бұрын

@@JeremyLouisGamingdevs have been super hit or miss with optimization for pc though. Get ready to spend 2-3k to brute force through bad optimization. Source: i have a 3k pc that still suffers from shotty performance in select games (i bought my gpu when it was overpriced so the actual value is probably around 2000 something now)

@ancientflames

9 ай бұрын

Lots of games due to bad optimization run worse on a 4090 than a ps5 lol. For single player games like this the 40fps fidelity is perfect. Good optimization beats brute force any day. Just look at Mario wonder on the switch a 8 year old mobile gpu in a 7 year old tablet. Skill of the devs matters so much.

Looks like Fidelity Mode 120HZ + VRR Uncapped is the way to go 🔥🔥

@mattmastrandrea3965

9 ай бұрын

It's good, but give Smooth a try, I think you'll like it!

@alexatkin

9 ай бұрын

@@mattmastrandrea3965 I tried that myself and smooth ironically looks too juddery to me, at least on OLED. Uncapped spends most of its time higher than 40fps which seems to resolve the problem.

@DimaTillmann

9 ай бұрын

Have tried uncapped and smooth. I'm enjoying smooth option more tbh.

@Matendu

9 ай бұрын

​@DimaTillmann auto on the game and system settings is VRR turned on right? Was expecting "ON" instead of "Automatic" in system settings

@milo9803

9 ай бұрын

did he talk about smoothed and uncapped in the video?

Guys I need your help! Problems with Graphics/Fidelity mode. Since the launch, I’ve been dealing with some issues in terms of graphics. I was planing and I am actually playing it on perfomance mode and the fps it’s good, very smooth but the graphics ( in some areas of the game) are a little bit disappointing. Like, if I compare it to Miles Morales game, it’s inferior, but that’s not the main problem here. The main problem is that when I put the game in fidelity mode, the game not only has the exact same graphics quality but fps rate is always around 15 ish fps. And yes, I’ve changed the film grain quite a few times and there’s no significant difference. Is this a common problem? Are some of you guys experiencing the same issue? If yes, did insomniac say something about this? Is there a way to fix it? I’m really loving the game so far but this is something that is really bothering me.

Grain in fidelity mode is causing problems for me. It’s tearing and causing black checkerboard to flash in the background. I turned it down and it’s completely fixed

I am still amazed how much RT can be optimised in Spider man Games, it may not be super fancy but it looks good.

The 40fps mode literally feels 90% as good as 60fps and also looking a decent bit better. Really good implementation.

@anthonymorales5815

9 ай бұрын

idk about 90% but it is a great middle ground.

@Picchnosio

9 ай бұрын

truth. Unless you are consciously aware of it, any consistent fps above 30 is almost indistinguishable from 60 fps

@markus9641

9 ай бұрын

@@anthonymorales5815 Definetely if you have 120hz enabled, that way the input lag is improved significantly.

@marcusannegarn8497

9 ай бұрын

​@@Picchnosiothis just isn't true for most people. 30 to 60 is night and day. Most people opt for performance mode in games.

@anthonymorales5815

9 ай бұрын

@@markus9641 i do, and i tried it. it was cool but it’s not close a replacement imo, but an awesome option nevertheless

hey df! would be great you guy guys highlighted visually some key differences sometimes. my eyes are not as trained as yours, i try my best but at times i cant simply see the difference hahah

Funnily enough, I didn't realize the 40fps mode was a thing so I've been playing on the Fidelity mode at 30fps cause it just looks so damn good. Surprisingly though, the 30fps cap hasn't bothered me. I've gotten used to it and the game looking as gorgeous as it does is more of a plus for me than a few frames personally. That said, my TV is 120hz with VRR. Think I just need to fiddle with the settings to get that option to appear so I can try it. Great stuff as always DF!

I’ve been on performance mode, but after reading these comments I think I’m gonna give fidelity with uncapped VRR a try!

@jahblo666

9 ай бұрын

what were your impressions? personally I just can't play any game below 60fps

@lukasrlleattermann7043

9 ай бұрын

i switched and personally it was definitely better than any other game with uncapped vrr and 120hz mode on, but still prefer the vrrr smoothed performance mode with 120hz mode on, just love that framerate - game is beautiful graphics wise either way so im sticking to performance@@jahblo666

Rocking the game on Fidelity+120Hz+Uncapped. Having no issues at all. It’s quite admirable how Insomniac is managing to run all this and also give RT reflections on 5700xt equivalent GPU on PS5

@snou69

9 ай бұрын

It's quite different from 5700XT, I'd be looking at a RDNA2 GPU more than anything. Perhaps a 6600XT or a 6700

@bradicas5359

9 ай бұрын

No issues? The game is riddled with clipping, input issues, and weird bugs that make you reset.

@Alex34567

9 ай бұрын

​​​@@snou69Yeah, but the GPU in the PS5 is most equivalent to a RTX 2070. The RX 5700 XT is actually slightly more powerful than a regular RTX 2070. Even then, performance difference between a RX 5700 XT and a RX 6700 is negligible.

@TheMETALICA40

9 ай бұрын

​@@bradicas5359Im having no issues at all playing at fidelity 120hz with vrr uncapped

@xtr.7662

9 ай бұрын

It barely hits 60-70fps theres no point in the 120hz mode

The graphics, sound and haptics on this are next level. On my LG CX I have it set to 120 on fidelity. It’s flawless l!! Amazing.

Fidelity, vrr, smoothed, is literally perfect!

@thefearish

9 ай бұрын

Agreed

@gidkidd-maddcity3104

9 ай бұрын

I just love the fluidity of the game as a whole. Great game imo!

@marcelolopes4049

9 ай бұрын

So you are playing at 4k40

I am absolutely sure that a future patch will bring some of the things that are missing compared to fidelity mode. This is Insomniac we are talking about, one of the best devs in gaming.

@melxb

9 ай бұрын

yep i believe that, the first entry also wasn't like that day 1 and got more added features after release especially the RT performance mode, but u know what even if not it's solid as is, I'm good with/play fidelity mode or the 40fps mode anyways (of course they could have cut some of that back to make way for the increases in detail of the other areas and still be able to hit 60fps in performance mode)

@SHEPARD22

9 ай бұрын

If they were the best in gaming they’d already of had the game looking good for release which is doesn’t.

@melxb

9 ай бұрын

@@SHEPARD22 lol what? it does, this is literally a nitpick at best and comes with more out the gate than other games

@melxb

9 ай бұрын

@@SHEPARD22 besides again they could have cut some of those RT elements back to make room for the increases in detail of the other areas and still be able to hit 60fps, would it be nice to have accurate reflections on the smallest of objects like the lightposts, sure, but a cube map suffices since 9 times out of 10 a gamer will not care to pay attention to that and if u absolutely must have it, it's there in the fidelity mode/40fps mode, so yeah literally a none issue...add it later in performance if possible, for now let everyone just enjoy the amazingly polished game 🤷‍♂️

@noot8076

9 ай бұрын

@@SHEPARD22 if a game like this on launch can't make you happy then nothing will

When I open 120hz mode, the game first plays out fine, but whenever I open the map, it's pitch black I and I have to manually navigate to the settings to change it up while seeing nothing. I assume it has something to do with my TV, but could anyone know how to fix it?

So awesome to have 120/VRR/uncapped options at launch!

I will play in performance mode, the visual quality is strill great and the gap isn't that noticeable unless you compare the two side by side, and as good as the fidelity mode looks you lose all the detail in motion at lower framerates. I hope they patch that shimmering in the LOD though, it's distractiong, but other than that 60 fps it is. What a great job Insomniac, I hoper this serves as an example to every developer putting lackluster perfomance modes in their games.

@alexatkin

9 ай бұрын

I actually found is very noticeable, something just felt off when I switched to performance mode and I think it was losing so much detail in the distance which you spend a lot of time looking at when swinging around the world.

@nathaniles5456

9 ай бұрын

My only problem with performance mode is the crowd density, otherwise I think it looks gorgeous. I'm hoping they address this in a patch; maybe you could turn off ray tracing in favor of crowd density!

40fps is super good. Been playing the whole game that way so far. Huge upgrade over 30fps.

Unfortunately, noticed a ton of graphical errors at a distance during cutscenes while in the 60fps mode, and the Fidelity mode has been smooth enough without any of those graphical hiccups!

Im always gaming on PC so it feels good to dust off my PS5 to play Spiderman 2 except when you play with Keyboard and mouse a long period of time and then go back to controller it feels foreign. I had to use the inverted controls for the web wings but other than that Im loving it. Im playing with Peformanc mode+ Uncapped but im on a gaming monitor. I wonder how having the game Uncapped looks and feels on a tv

For fidelity fans.. Turning on 120hz mode enables 40fps with the same high quality. On top of that you can turn on VRR to get it to smooth out uneven frames or uncap the framerate. VRR reduces resolution slightly. To better improve quality.. play with visual settings like film grain and chromatic aberration. Removing film grain really improves the image here. The contrast slider too should be adjusted as per your display. Moving it from the default at 50 to 65 improved colours and shadows for me.

@fillerbunnyninjashark271

9 ай бұрын

VRR does not kick in until 48fps

@Bakerwar

9 ай бұрын

Actually, enabling 120hz mode on fidelity reduces dynamic resolution too, even without vrr, I have tested it and it’s noticesble. So for best picture quality stick to 30fps unfortunately

@ancientflames

9 ай бұрын

I do not understand why every dev turns on film grain by default. It looks bad in every game. I guess they just use it to mask jagged edges or something idk.

@NightCoffeeX

9 ай бұрын

@@Bakerwar If you're playing on a 4K display then yes it's noticeable, 120hz mode will keep fidelity at mostly 1440p resolution, being rarely at 4K during motion. 120hz mode seems perfect on the 1440p monitors, you have no choice but to play at normal 30fps fidelity if you want to maintain 4K resolution most of time.

@NightCoffeeX

9 ай бұрын

@@ancientflames It's to maintain cinematic experience during cutscenes, while this mode indeed sucks when it comes to fidelity, it's just a filter that can induce the artistic aspect of a cinema movie.

Here's the thing... We aren't on PC so if I'm going to have to play the game in 30fps to see Ray tracing, I'll be more than happy not knowing what im missing in performance mode. RT is cool but definitely not worth the cut to performance

@jjnet123

9 ай бұрын

But we still get RT in performance mode it's just less so. So really it's a best of both worlds situation.

@vincevirtua

9 ай бұрын

You can go with the fidelity option in up to 50fps, you aren’t 30fps limited assuming you own the tv hardware. A PS5 Pro next year may get that closer to up to 60.

great analysis oliver 👍

Just started the game yesterday, did anyone else think that the graphics in the introductory fight were off ? As if there were missing textures and looked lower quality.

@DeaconRazorblades

9 ай бұрын

You know, now that i think about it, yeah. I don't know what it was but there were some sections that looked a little off, almost like base PS4, but it cleared up immediately when the core world opened up.

@Pranjalchoudhary100

9 ай бұрын

Yeah in some of the places the graphics looks absolutely trash. Especially on performance mode. But uh can't expect much from these new gen consoles.

@MetalDeathHead

9 ай бұрын

well its literally a copy and paste of the last gen game with a different color filter so its not surprising

@usbmannam

9 ай бұрын

@@DeaconRazorblades thanks for confirming, yeah same thing, once the game moved on from that initial portion it does look better than the last game. Not a leap but definitely better.

Is it just me or the game looks softer resolution wise when compared to remastered even in the fidelity mode

@TheBean87

9 ай бұрын

Yes it does, it’s due to the more demanding raytracing.

@cristopher8186

9 ай бұрын

We need a 60fps mode without ray tracing, with higher resolution

@TheBean87

9 ай бұрын

@@cristopher8186 I agree, while they should praised for the work they did a mode without RT would be great.

Those uncapped modes look like preparation for the upcoming PS5 Pro (and future 6)

9:10 bro that framedrop was just “The Blip” from the multiverse lol.

The FSR shimmering is quite bad in this. DLSS would be amazing

They did a great job with all modes. I don’t have the 40 capable fps but 30 fps with motion blur is really well done for what it is

The only thing that was a huge difference was how lively New York felt between the nodes. Most people aren’t even gonna notice the ray tracing while playing. I know digital foundry likes to look at everything to the smallest detail. For me when the amount of people and cars were cut that’s when i felt like the world was empty and not as immersive. Nothing makes you feel like it’s New York that swinging by and seeing so many people crossing the street and traffic jams.

Given this is for a fixed system I'm surprised there isn't an active mode rather than picking performance / fidelity. Surely you could sync some of these settings to come on during cutscenes or even when the players movement speed is reduced. I'm sure the game can tell when your walking around rather than flying through the city and actively turn on or off the rt reflections, ramp up or down perdestrian desnisty?

@efraimkent

9 ай бұрын

PS6 feature

@nitinanku

9 ай бұрын

I think they realise it’s not realistic to consistently hit 60 in fidelity, so they keep it segregated between those two modes

@PositronCannon

9 ай бұрын

Having the framerate cap fluctuate often like that would be jarring. Consistency is just as important.

@spaghebbio

9 ай бұрын

That would feel awful to play

I’ve been choosing performance mode every time in my PS5 games but I tried fidelity here and was stunned at how smooth it was. It’s the best 30fps I’ve ever played, I’m not sure how they pulled it off. The visual hit in performance is a bit too much for me.

@Stauf1515

9 ай бұрын

I'm usually a performance man myself, however, only if a game can maintain a 1080p or above output. Given that I game on a 65 inch 4k tv, anything below 1080p just looks too soft image wise. I'll probably opt for the 40fps fidelity mode for the first time. Really seems like that is the most balanced mode available if you have the tv/monitor to support it.

@devan_danger

9 ай бұрын

Good motion blur?

@txup92g33

9 ай бұрын

Same, the effects and crispness combined with great motion blur make 30 fps fidelity mode look and run great. Too bad I don't have vrr 😢

Cant wait to play this game on PC with my Rtx 5090

i wish there was a mode that targeted 60fps instead of locking to 60fps, we have a 60fps mode that hits 60fps pretty much constantly but with vrr it can go up to 80fps, it would be nice if we could get a mode that can go up to 60 but then most of the time is around 50fps which is still in the vrr window basically a 50fps mode with vrr, the 40fps with vrr dosent work since its below 48fps

I play on a 1440p monitor, so I'm interested to try the fidelity mode with uncapped VRR! I wish games let you choose 1440p in fidelity modes with an uncapped framerate. VRR uncapped seems to be the closest so far!

@Dick_Valparaiso

9 ай бұрын

Does your 1440p monitor have hdmi 2.1? Afaik the only 1440p monitors with hdmi 2.1 are 240hz and above. Believe me, I've shopped for a 1440/120 monitor w/hdmi 2.1. I bring this up because Sony hasn't enabled vrr support for any non hdmi 2.1 displays. You'll still get the high fps, just w/o vrr to smooth thing out. I don't know why Sony is so slow when it comes to these things.

@tinocabral4201

9 ай бұрын

@@Dick_Valparaisoso what are the best settings for fps if you don’t have vrr? I can still change vrr in the game and I have 120hz support. Performance and uncapped, or smoothed? Also I assume 120hz option on in game settings

@Dick_Valparaiso

9 ай бұрын

@@tinocabral4201 So, looking at Spiderman 2 specifically I would recommend just sticking with 60hz on your type of monitor. The typical fps ceiling for SM2 seems to be 80-ish (don't pay attention to people cherry picking specific scenes that are far less taxing just to prove "it goes above 100"). However, if you're rarely going below 60fps in the smoothed mode and aren't experiencing screen tearing then I'd say that testing it along with standard 60hz performance and seeing which one you like best is the way to go. People have varying degrees of sensitivity to fps drops. If SM2 was consistantly going between 60 to 120 w/o proper vrr support it'd be much more noticeable than 60 to 80. I guess the tl;dr of it is that if you can honestly feel an appreciable difference playing the smooothed 120hz mode on your monitor w/o screen tearing- go for it. But, if it feels kinda off to you and/or you notice screen tearing, stick with 60hz.

Fidelity at 40 FPS with a 120 hz TV is the best way!

@joaquinarchivaldoguzmanloe1073

9 ай бұрын

💯 feels good looks amazing

I'm looking at all these comments but yet no one's talking about Spider-Man 2 bugs🤷‍♂️ what a lot of people are experiencing

@yossiccohen5255

9 ай бұрын

I had one npc walking on air, no more bugs

@No-rl9wn

9 ай бұрын

Peter turned into a sugar cube lmfao

@cole6383

9 ай бұрын

Same I noticed quite a few bugs.

@amnril

9 ай бұрын

Probably not mentioned because they aren’t rampant and will no doubt be patched out asap.

Hey, it looks like someone finally releases a game that is finished. When was the last time someone released a game in good shape?

that 40fps is amazing. I NEVER play games in quality mode but I really enjoyed the experience here

With Insomniac, we discover once again what master optimization is. The end result is just incredible. RT support even in performance mode, almost non-existent loading times and the New York transcription is splendid. I play it in fidelity mode + 120Hz. Which allows me to play at 40Fps with the graphics at maximum. This game is full of detail and everywhere you go, you see the masterful work that Insomniac Games have managed to do. Already with Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart, we had already had an incredible result but here, this time, for the continuation of Spider-Man's adventures, we have something crazy! Thank you Insomniac Games for continuing to make us dream. We really need it!

@fillerbunnyninjashark271

9 ай бұрын

You're not even getting the VRR effects unless you hit 48fps

@Throbingkcoc

9 ай бұрын

​@@fillerbunnyninjashark271Game is fun and looks great. If all that matters are numbers then you are gaming for the wrong reason.

@jollama

9 ай бұрын

@@fillerbunnyninjashark271Bro did not check Rtings 💀

@jollama

9 ай бұрын

@@ThrobingkcocLook at Jedi Survivor and say that again

@marcelolopes4049

9 ай бұрын

4k40 fps you are not playing with max graphics, the resolution down close to 1440p

The difference in NPC density honestly make me wanna play in fidelity mode

@qwerttzizzi

9 ай бұрын

Timestamp?