Reviewing Dredd by comparing it to The Raid at every turn does the film a disservice. Dredd can't be penalized because another movie had a similar setting and was a better movie. It's not Dredd's fault, it's still a fantastic action movie in its own right and the fact that The Raid exists doesn't change that.

@ComradeRichey

8 жыл бұрын

+Martin Leggett Absolutely agree. One of the few occasions where I think Kermode has missed the point somewhat.

@degsbabe

6 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. The film is for diehard Dredd fans who devoured 2000AD since 1977. Serious misJUDGEment by Kermode. 10 Years in the iso cube !

@Slowburn_-lk4oh

Жыл бұрын

For me he’s kinda right the plots were so familiar that it made me want to put raid on and because of that it made the experience kinda hollow

i keep rewatching this film. brilliant, and so simple. like proper action films from the 80s

@nicholasdickens2801

9 жыл бұрын

It certainly does. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Never more wrong. Dredd is a perfect classic film that does action and its source material proud

I still consider Dredd to be the best comic book movie I've ever seen. Seen it over 50 times since cinema release and it continues to hold up as a great movie.

Cult classic all over this. Anderson is great. The whole film is understated and all the better for it.

The 3D wasn't retro fitted, and it worked extremely well. Reviewers should also be researchers.

Anderson's role was a pleasant surprise. Not a damsel in distress or a love interest, but a unique and endearing action heroine. Would love to see more adventures of this Dredd

The Slo-mo drug is brilliant. The whole film runs at normal speed by allowing exciting shoot-outs and explosions to be viewed from the perspective of a drug-fuelled gangster. Highly appreciate any film that can write it's special effects into the story.

There are certain genres of film that Kermode has no qualification to comment on. Sci FI comic book action being one. This was the film Dredd fans have always waited for. It's virtually flawless. 9/10 (10 if the bikes were right)

It was one of the best films of 2012 in my book...I was so pissed so few people actually watched it in cinemas...It was well executed...Urban nailed his role and MaMa was a menacing baddie...I'm glad it's doing well on DVD though

It started filming before The Raid. Dredd was one of the best films of the year, an action throwback to the 80s films of Verhoeven and Carpenter. No pretentions or Hollywood clichés, but straight up action with the the greatest underrated actor of all time, Karl Urban.

This was a GREAT movie in my opinion and it has that rarity, very effective 3D. I think it was marketed badly. This deserves a sequel. Even though it was a flop on release, I’ve heard it made its money back on DVD.

Dredd in 3D was great I thought, the effects enhanced the experience, but then Mark hates 3D. I'm pretty sure it wasn't retro-fitted either but actually filmed in 3D.

Don't believe him, he is being too hard on the movie. Dredd was great! Its gritty hard edged violent with good characters and sort of reminds you of the original Robocop that sort of 80s action movie. It's unfair to compare any movie with a book or another movie, The Raid is good and Dredd is good. If thats the case you can compare any movie to any movie because they are all movies and in that case the only movie you ever have to see is Citizen Kane! So movie lovers and oldschool 80/90's action lovers, see Dredd, its a lot of fun! Check out "Half in the bag's" review of the same movie and listen to what they have to say about Dredd =)

Where the fuck was this recorded? A cafe?

@theviper1999uk

9 жыл бұрын

Lol

@Onmysheet

8 жыл бұрын

A shopping mall?

@JoinHolmes

7 жыл бұрын

Onmysheet Peach Trees, perhaps...?

It was one of the best comic book movies I've seen, the drug slow mo in 3D on the big screen visually looked amazing .. And I'm hoping we will get a sequel of Dredd .. Someday

This review was Dredd full

On and on about the raid... ! As a fan of the source material I think they did a great job bringing out the toughness and very dark humor of the comics .. Roll on dredd2!!!

Dredd was great and so was Karl Urban. The day-in-a-life format made it look like a futuristic, fucked-up episode of Cops. You can practically smell half the characters. And by the way, Mark, this started filming BEFORE The Raid, and none of the characters in Dredd suddenly change into martial arts masters.

So many Americans have asked me what is the big deal with Sylvester Stallone removing his helmet. I just reply. Would you want to see Batman with his cowl off in his Batsuit? The cowl in batman represents something. The helmet in Judge Dredd also represents something. You NEVER see Dredd with his helmet off except in very exceptional circumstances.

Comparing it to the Raid makes really no sense to me. Yes, there are similarities to the main storyline, get out of the big tower block, but it ends there really. One is a martial arts movie, one isn't. You can't fault Dredd for not having the fighting scenes that Raid had as it won't fit the characters in the movie. It's like comparing the dancing in Black Swan to Dirty Dancing and complaining about one or the other for not being like the other.

@nicholasdickens2801

9 жыл бұрын

Very true :)

@GillRockatansky

9 жыл бұрын

***** Danny Cannon actually sent in a drawing of his idea for a Dredd film poster to 2000AD when he was a kid and Harrison Ford was his chin of choice at the time, so the idea that he didn't understand the character is a bit daft. As for comparisons to The Raid, Dredd was in production first and The Raid is clearly a Judge Dredd Block Wars story.

@wipeout2098

8 жыл бұрын

Yeah, having now seen The Raid, that movie and Dredd really have little to do with each other. Both feature main characters trapped in a building surrounded by a large number of enemies coming to get them but then so do Assault on Precinct 13, Die Hard and a hundred other movies that came out decades ago. Also, Dredd is clearly a futuristic Dirty Harry taken to extremes but trying to be consistent while The Raid starts as a war movie and ends as a ludicrously spectacular martial arts movie after both sides inexplicably stop using guns simultaneously(?). Dredd, ironically, is a lot less cartoony in its violence and plotting. Not a criticism, just The Raid is clearly not meant to be realistic and that's fine. They wanted to make a kick-ass martial arts movie and they did. :)

@Alexandra-Rex

8 жыл бұрын

wipeout2098 I agree. They both did what they tried to do very well, both were enjoyable for me.

@wipeout2098

8 жыл бұрын

Yup. Can't have too much of a good thing, and both movies were that. :)

Thanks for putting this up.

Am I the only one who thinks Dredd is better than The Raid?

@frasersg

10 жыл бұрын

No!

@morewc62

10 жыл бұрын

Dredd is far better than the Raid. Although the Raid was enjoyable the idiotic number of times people get hit hard, in the fight scenes, then jump up to fight again, and again, and again just made parts of it pretty silly.

@SuperMoreRon

10 жыл бұрын

Dredd was way better... I was pretty disappointed with the raid to be honest.

@nicholasdickens2801

9 жыл бұрын

Nope I do too. The Raid is ok, but overblown.

@robertmcelwaine7024

6 жыл бұрын

I thought the Raid, while entertaining enough was just another routine martial arts action flick. Dredd at least was smarter, and had something to say about authority and if too much is given it can be abused. Karl Urban made a great Judge Dredd, as were Olivia Thirlby as Anderson and Lena Headey as Ma-Ma. Actually, the whole cast were very solid. The movie's not perfect but I do think it was good enough to warrant a sequel, which sadly due to it bombing at the box office won't be happening. A shame because it was far from terrible.

The other way round : a true story and informative piece of cinema history 2008 Gareth Edwards was on the web , he found a script , a leaked script , it was called Dredd , he was very inspired to do his own movie that ripped of it's story . 2010: he completed a script for a Movie CALLED THE RAID (A HUGE RIP - OFF of DREDD ) . 2011 : he got it in production , later that year it was made and released . 2012 : Dredd was released , a flop but had critical success but was DEAMED A RIP OFF of the raid but it WAS THE OTHER WAY ROUND !!!

@nicholasdickens2801

9 жыл бұрын

Gareth Edwards directed Monsters and Godzilla. You're thinking of Gareth Evans.

@Hummingbirder1

6 жыл бұрын

At last one who knows his facts! As Mark should do, with his line of work. Also: not retrofitted 3D, made (and very well, too) in 3D. But as someone pointed out in an earlier comment, Mark likes to dislike 3D by default. Personally I prefer Dredd to The Raid in so many ways and that's why I have Dredd on DVD and the Raid is missing from my collection.

Watched Dredd recently. Really liked it.

I think that the characters of the raid were infinitely less interesting than that of dredd. Also i thought dredd was more suspenseful and its villain was far better. Most of all however was that dread had great female parts which is something missing in the raid and the common blockbuster

Why does it sound like they're doing the review in a train station?

Havent seen The Raid but it the 'amazing choreography' isnt a plus, I used to like that stuff but now it tends to take me straight out of the film, fights like that never happen and it looks very set up and the problem is confounded when the film is set in the real world (e.g. The Matrix works because it isn't). In Dredd he isn't dodging/weaving and blocking attacks, he just blows people up and headbutts them, Anderson who has a few moves attacks from behind and the 'fight' is over and done with

Just saw this and surprisingly enjoyed very much. I felt the "effects" and action worked very well; felt grittier and efficient.

Yes cheers - really good for those who don't have time to listen to entire weekly podcast. Keep it up!

The Raid Redemption screenplay and script came years after the Dredd script had leaked. The Dredd film had finished shooting before the Raid Redemption had finished. It was the special effects that delayed the release of Dredd by a year.

DREDD!!! MOVIE OF THE YEAR? FUCK YEAH

Kudos to Karl Urban playing the Dredd... he understands the character and it takes plenty bravery for an actor to remain masked in an entire movie.

Dredd was an awesome film. Can't believe not enough people saw it at cinemas!

The Raid was fantastic and all in all I prefer it to Dredd as I just love martial arts movies and have no knowledge of Dredd at all apart from the basics. However, this is still fucking awesome. Great visuals, great violence, and a great portrayal of Dredd (that I know of) by Karl Urban. Love the soundtrack too, if you have a good sound system this need to be on, a lot. My only fear is IF there is a sequel, it'll be tamed down for maximum audience and that will kill it dead.

@freakydeke1

9 жыл бұрын

only one movie martial artist as far as im concerned and he has been dead a long time the rest are just copying hes prowes i just cant watch any of these movie martial artists today far too many gymnasts and dancers bruce lee forever greatest

Dredd was wicked, GIVE US A SEQUEL!!!!!!

And the screenplay of Dredd is suspected to have been read by the creators of the Raid.

I believe the Dredd script was leaked, and that was the basis for The Raid, hence the comparisons. The 3D was not retrofitted, it was filmed in native 3D with SOME effects done in post (imdb*com/title/tt1343727/technical?ref_=tt_dt_spec and imdb*com/title/tt1343727/faq#.2.1.9). No mention of the 11.1 soundtrack? Criminal - even over 2.0 Stereo the effects are thrown around the room, the LFE is house shaking and SloMo ethereal atmospherics are engaging.

Wow shocked he didn't like this and did what was the thing I hated most about what certain lecturers in college did to our essays, reviewing the film you wished it was rather than whats in front of you

I loved this film! I would've loved some OST in slo-mo sequences though, but other than that brilliant visually and powerful too. Never watched it in 3D, but only what I gather from the 2D version, it's stunning.

Mark! The drug doesnt slow down time...it speeds up brain function so much that you feel time passing slowly.

The first time I saw Dredd in my local multiplex I wasn't so keen on it. I really wanted to see a movie where it wasn't confined predominantly to one setting and wanted to see more of Mega City One which, I might add I was and I'm still not entirely happy with how it was brought to life on the big screen (the one thing I will say about the terrible 1995 Stallone version was that they at east got the aesthetic look of the futuristic metropolis just right). However, upon rewatching it and just taking the movie on it's merits I found a better appreciation for it. It's not by any means perfect but still an entertaining movie. Yeah, I know it's been unfairly compared to the Raid but it's not as if other movies haven't similarly been confined to one setting or been copied to some degree. Die Hard is one perfect example.

Excellent film. I wish they didnt do the whole "locked in a tall apartment full of goons" gimmick. There's no way people wouldn't compare it with Raid Redemption after that. Still, a fun action adventure.

I wish he devoted a little time sticking up for British cinema, and the stunning achievement this is for our country (the highest budget for a British film in history), considering that thr British film industry was one of the factors he dwelled upon at some length when sticking up for Kick-Ass, which is nowere near as profound a film.

@Samn3212

3 жыл бұрын

Is it really? I never knew that!

i liked how it was contextualised the violence, furthermore i liked the fact that Dredd is a Facist and remains one from beginning to end

Dredd was in production before the raid , derp :/ how many fucking times does that have to be explained .

It was even better in 3D...

I agree with a lot of the posts here - I prefer this to the Raid. Thought the Raid was great, but Dredd had much more to interest - great gun action sequences and world-building, and better characters.

7th September 2012 not 17th - from Shetland at Screenplay Festival hence 'noises off' in background of this clip

It's a shame this film's only showing in 3D.

Kermode, yer being a fanny m8.

Absolutely loved this film! Execution was close to perfection and just thrilled me from start to finish!

being a judge dredd fan ,i thought it was awsome.not seen the raid ,but then again i grew up in the 80's reading 2000ad.so i will be biast to dredd.i suppose as well you could compare it to the original die hard ,which is also a great fim in it's own right.

Best 3D experience i've ever had.

The Raid was based off of the Dredd screenplay which had leaked onto the net back in 2008. Also the film Dredd was finished before the Raid Redemption had finished filming. Since Dredd had a ton of special effects such as creating the city scenes it delayed the release by a year. Learn your frigging movie history. The Raid ripped off Dredd.

@ranthemillb.822

4 жыл бұрын

No one ripped off anyone. If reusing a very basic concept is "ripping off" then they both ripped off Die Hard, which probably ripped off something else that I lack the knowledge to name, and so on.

@scottw3048

4 жыл бұрын

@@ranthemillb.822 i think you're right and there's something nagging at the back of my mind that the towering inferno heavily inspired die hard (or the book it was loosely based on, something like that) although i couldnt find anything from a quick google search

The reference to "Cake" bypassed me as I hadn't seen the Chris Morris show. But every single time anyone says "Judge, Jury and Executioner", I think of Danny from 'Hot Fuzz' saying "Judge, Judy and Executioner".

The film’s issues are the writing & direction, however the film’s still an action packed, graphic, well casted, well acted & is A fun comic book adaptation. (75%) (4/5 stars) (positive)

It was not retro fitted 3-D But it is impossible to find in 2-D and everyone hates 3-D so that is hurting what is an awesome movie and is a perfect Judge Dredd movie. The only way I would compare it to the Raid is they are both in a building . 5 mins. into this movie I forgot all about the raid .

I agree with everything you said except for the 3D bit. I love when Mark reminds people how 3D not only isn't that good but can actually hurt box office. Needs to be said. But yeah, I rolled my eyes when he started talking about the bloody Raid.

I really hope they make a sequel...it sure deserves it

"In a world where COP's still serve and protect, there's one COP that didn't quite get it right. Once a decorated SUPER-COP, Matt Cordell is now a maniac, with a badge. A COP with a score to settle, a COP with murder in mind, a COP with a grudge on his fellow COP's. A MANIAC COP... Maniac COP 2. You have the right to remain silent... Forever.

The only way to truly get any 200AD character on screen successfully is with a Japanese Anime studio.

Dredd was filmed in late 2010, it didn't copy The Raid, as the screenplay for Dredd was done before The Raid even started shooting. Some times people have the same ideas, no big deal.

Mark is wrong on this one. Dredd is awesome. Watched it on Netflix so obviously no 3D which helps. Just a brilliant film. It's not trying to have an overly complex, convoluted plot, not trying to set up another extended universe we don't want or need and not trying to ram some social message down our throats. It just delivers on absolutely everything you'd want an action, Sci-fi, comic book adaptation to be. It's possible this is the best comic book adaptation ever made.

Totally agree, the scene in the bathtub with the foam swishing about took my breath away, compared to the Avengers in 3d where a bunch of cardboard cutouts swoosh by the screen in a blur.....

I have to admit, Kermode's three main problems are completely unjustified, the 3D was clearly forced upon the filmmakers by the bigwigs who are mainly in charge of the distribution, the Chris Morris "Cake" reference is nonsense; I'm a massive fan of Brass Eye and it didn't cross my mind when immersed in this fantastic world the filmmakers have created, and I'm so fucking sick of The Raid comparisons - it means nothing. I'm disappointed Mark Chose not to dwell on the excellent filmmaking on show.

@alcaldeEst Dredd's screenplay was written a long time before The Raid, years before in fact.

Kermode mentions the car park story everytime Stallon is mentioned lol

He made it quite clear... "Coincidentally...The plot lines are kind of similar."

Looking back (well, even at the time, but especially looking back), do any of these criticisms actually matter? 1) It's in 3D (not on my TV it ain't) 2) It's impossible not to think of a Chris Morris gag (I'd never even heard of it) 3) It's coincidentally like The Raid (oh well)

Dredd 3D was fucking great, i so hope we get a sequel or something. and the soundtrack was awesome :)

Dredd didn't do well at the box office but it's a wonderful action film, it got excellent reviews and generated great hype in the media. Yes, this movie deserves a sequel.

Dredd is awesome

Haven't seen The Raid or the Chris Morris sketch so neither of those influenced my enjoyment of the film. IMO it's right that it was thumping and heavy on it's feet. Dredd and the street judges aren't surgical, it's on the film that they can respond to 4% (or something like that) of reported crimes so they're not scalpels, they're hammers. Just wish we'd got a sequel or there was news on the MegaCity One TV show that's been in development for years.

Your right m8 the film was great and mods are still the coolest people on the planet

Does Slo-mo affect the Shatner's Bassoon?

Amazing film. Raw. Violent.

Funny how this script created the Raid which a lot of you people love.

I watched it without The Raid in my mind, and it's an OK film, not terrible, not amazing either. The cast did their best.

Personally, I thought the movie was The Warriors meets RoboCop 2. Not bad, but not perfect.

He also got the 3D retrofit thing wrong. Dredd was filmed in 3D and it looks spectacular. I think that's his main problem with it as Mark hates 3D

I love how most of his complaints are comparing it to other media.

I want to see a Dredd follow up (and a film version of The Subtle Knife). Unfortunately, i don't see either happening. Damn the film going public!

I find it fascinating how most of the comments on Kermode reviews are of clearly butthurt fans slating the review and insulting Mark. It looks to me like most of the comments here are from huge Dredd fans who obviously aren't going to be unbiased. And Mark said TIME AND AGAIN that it was a coincidence that the two films (Raid and Dreddddd) came out around the same time, it couldn't be helped.

Dredd was my favourite movie of 2012.. I personally though the slow mo drug made for some amazing scenes. And I did not think of "cake" at anypoint in the film.

I rather liked Dredd. It did irk me to have to see it in 3D as I'm not a fan of it but the film itself was really quite cool. It reminded me of an old-school John Carpenter movie.

I think the good doctor "fixed" his initial review (this one) last week (first week of April 2017) by choosing it as the DVD of the week. Am I right?

@theother9351

7 жыл бұрын

armanika DVD of the first week of April 2017 was 'Rogue One' (podcast, 7 Apr 2017)

@Lukey1986b

7 жыл бұрын

It was DVD of the week for a recent week though. And richly deserved.

The 3D wasn't retrofitted, but Mark is right - marketing and the decision not to give the film a decent 2D distribution really hurt it. The complaints about The Raid are annoying. I thought Dredd was better actually. I loved Dredd. We NEED sequels...

Kermode gives Dredd a rough time yet gave Prometheus a free pass?

Christopher Nolan comes to mind, as well as the Pirates of the Carribean films (except for the first one).

I thought this movie was great. It was a superhero movie that didnt pull any punches true to the source matierial and an awesome movie I had a great time watching it. Shame well probably never see a sequel due to its terrible box office numbers this could have been one heck of a franchise

The Raid was filmed AFTER Dredd, though it was release earlier. It is surprising that a professional reviewer is unaware of this fact and keeps harking comparisons with "the Raid" which was a good film in its own right

No one reads comments on this video anymore but......... I disagree with a lot of this review (respectfully). The Raid comparison was always obvious but I loved both films and managed to keep them as being entirely seperate entities in my head. In fact if you gave me the choice of the two I would watch Dredd. It appeared to be fairly faithful to the source material although my knowledge on it is limited. I think the storyline suited the budget of the film because I imagine anything set outside of a tower block or prison etc would have cosy much more to make. Shame that it didn't do well in the box office because it's now unlikely to be green lit for a sequel that would show more of the world and characters. Good job and excellently played by Karl Urban.

the decision to ONLY show the movie in 3d did put a lot of people off, at the time 3d was 50/50 hit or miss and people didn't like 3d or didn't want to risk paying out for shit 3d,however the 3d worked brilliantly, especially on the "slow-mo" moments. the movie was a tightly scripted and perfectly toned for the story. the soundtrack was amazing and I love it. performances where solid by all the cast and had a wonderfully Dredd conclusion.

The budget was 40 million. Guess what to do the rest of the city would have cost 300 million.

2-D: please bring your own brain and imagination to the screening, as you would to everyday events. 3-D: please allow us to bludgeon your brain with our imagination during the screening, as you would if we asked to crash your car with you in it.

Review by comparison doesn’t always work. Dredd is not balletic. Dredd is supposed to emit a feeling of... dread. He’s supposed to be firepower. He’s supposed to be heavy. He's supposed to be chiselled as if from granite. Dredd moves forward, relentlessly, unstoppable, and when you think he has actually been stopped, he hasn’t. That’s the thrill. Nothing can stand in his way. And there IS actually humour galore, but like the Curséd Earth at night, it is dark and it is dry.

the raid didn't have judge Dredd in it!! i'm not a fan of 3D either but i have to say i think it worked in Dredd, particularly when characters were on the slow mo drug. i was a big 2000AD fan as a kid in the 80's and this version of Dredd for me was almost like being sucked into the pages of the comic. If they make another one (which i hope they do) it needs to get darker and have judge Death in it.

Oh come on Mark. Dont compare it to The Raid, Dredd is confined by its comic book origins. Just so happened to be a raid-like scenario but since both movies were released in the same year thats merely coincidence. Dredd is fantastic. I rewatch it every coupleof years and the execution (no pun) of the premise is nothing short of brilliant. It oozes atmosphere, the acting is spot on, without Hollywood silliness, and the action is more engaging than that of the Raid whose Penchak Silat became boring and reletitive after a while

Oh come on its the exact same film, literally the same film., that said I loved them both. Cant wait for the DVD