Bradley raised the first flag on Iwo Jima. No doubts on that one. He even wrote a letter and mentioned it. The problem is that a second flag raising occurred a few hours later to replace that first flag which was deemed too small. Bradley was at that second flag raising event as well (he's in the gung ho photo) but he did not physically help raise it - at least their is not a photo that shows him doing so. A few days later he was wounded. While recovering he was shown the photo and said that was taken of him raising the flag. At the time, their was no discussions about first raising, second raising, etc... Even the other two surviving flag raisers of the second raising independently identified Bradley in the Rosenthal photo. From Bradley's standpoint, there really was no problem. He helped raise the flag, he's being shown the photo of him raising the flag, other marines are stating he raised the flag. The problem was that the photo being shown was the second flag raising, not the first. It took years for all the mess to come out and never really fully got resolved until May of 2016 where it was finally determined that Bradley raised the first flag, was at the second raising but did not physically help raise the second flag.

@dylanguidry7979

7 жыл бұрын

Just got done reading the book. I think it's Sad that people are taking sides. On Iwo Jima Bradley and Shultz would have most likely risked their lives to save one another. Hell marching up that mountain. That's exactly what they did, save one another. Shultz didn't come out and say hey that's me not Bradley and Bradley never bragged about it. Just two American heroes. Two American flags.

@Bbendfender

6 жыл бұрын

Richard F. I agree with you. I have read "Flags Of Our Fathers" 3 times. I often wondered why John Bradley didn't want to talk about the famous 2nd flag raising or even his time in the military. He seemed to be a private man. I'm sure this hurts his family, especially the son who wrote the book. My dad was on Iwo Jima but after the battle. There were still Japanese in the caves but they were no threat at that time.

@chrisfortner1800

4 жыл бұрын

I researched the two flag raising pictures in 2001 and realized Bradley had been misidentified. But left at that. This is old news to me. But ultimately the symbolism and sacrifice is more important than the specific details.

@nidgeontour257

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for clearing that up. Regardless to say, they are all hero's who were involved in something historical. Bradley can be proud that he was involved in the first flag raising. He should be commended at least for that?

The man at the base is harlon block, behind him is John Bradley or so I thought, behind his is franklin sousley, who is being assisted by sergeant mike strank who is next to him, rene gagnon is next to not-bradley and ira hayes is the figure behind franklin. I still firmly believe that Bradley is the one in the photo though, based off of a book called flags of our fathers written by bradley’s son. All the people that are in the armed forces deserve the greatest respect and honor to be given. (This includes retired personnel.)Thank you for your service.

@jerbs5346

2 жыл бұрын

Bradly raised the first flag, sure he was there for the second flag raising but didn't physically help raise it.

Somebody who lives in or around Los Angeles should pay a visit to the cemetery where Schultz is buried. On his headstone it should read "He Raised"

Doc John Bradley is STILL A HERO!!!

@jumperguy9867

2 жыл бұрын

Every Marine and corpsman who was there is a hero. But Bradley is not in the iconic photo.

“Uncommon valor was a common virtue” quit your bitching! There is not a single man that set foot on that hellish island that is not a hero. As a matter of fact anyone that served in WWII is a hero. They saved this world and made it what it is today. Thank you one and all.

75 years ago today...

why can't both of them get credit since it is know there were two flag raisings? Just add a post-script.

Lol and Bradley’s son was the one that wrote the book about it!!

I researched this for myself in 2001 and realized Bradley was misidentified whereas it should have been Sousley. But left at that because the symbolism is more important and would not get far trying to get military to revise the record. This is too little too late.

I don't understand. Does that mean he was lying the whole time and saying it was him in the picture? He definitely participated in the first flag raising, but if he knew he wasn't a part of the second flag raising, why didn't he say something when the picture came out?

I'm wondering if it's about their names "Bradley vs. Schultz"? This was World War II.

@nancycampbellgibson2634

8 жыл бұрын

+Grace Forman Excellent point.

@cardo718

4 жыл бұрын

Rosenthal is a German name.

@stevo196two9

Жыл бұрын

And Jewish.

attention ? White House. my name is dawn lea conger...my dad survived iwo jima... physically!!! my life?never had a chance...not only do the soldiers pay!!!and our country...but WE ALL DO FOREVER..BUT I WILL PLEDGE ALEGIENCE. NOT ONLY TO THE FLAG.. BUT for everything that could have been. R.I.P. DAD my little brother Robert..missing since the summer of 2000....?Dawn Lea Congeer

@TerryReedMiss

4 жыл бұрын

Dawn, I am so sorry. You wrote that 11 months ago, have you had word about your little brother? I am praying for you ... and him, too!

If you look at the moving picture of the 2nd flag raising closely, not the actual Joe Rosenthal picture, the man second from right clearly has a colt 45 in a holster on his belt. Of all the men in the pictures around the two flags that were raised, only John Bradley is wearing a 45. Also, the medical bags in the first flag raising pictures that John Bradley was wearing were removed for the 2nd flag raising. You can clearly see this in the "Gunge Ho" picture with all the Marines. The second raising took place about an hour and one half later. Afterwards, there is a picture of John Bradley putting his gear back on. In that picture, Joe Rosenthal is in the shot with his camera and next to the large flag. John Bradley is clearing in the picture. Harold Schultz is actually the third man from the right, not Franklin Sousley. Schultz's rifle sling and the strap on his helmet proves that. People should stop trying to re-write history.

@jumperguy9867

2 жыл бұрын

The evidence SHOWS that the man identified as Bradley was actually Sousley. In another video, the photo guy showed the facial characteristics of both Bradley and Sousley - and the guy in front of Ira Hayes can ONLY be Sousley. The guy originally identified as Sousley had his cuffs rolled down (Bradley's were rolled up). He was also carrying an M1 with the sling attached to the incorrect swivel for shoulder carry, AND his helmet liner strap was broken. NONE of these can be attributed to Bradley. This isn't trying to re-write history. This is correcting a mistake that was arrived at hastily and without due diligence.

Ira Hayes..!!! Gila River Tribal Nation....!!! Honoring our Native veterans..!!! The True and original Homeland security...!!! NATIONAL NATIVE VETERANS MONUMENT..!!! Washington DC... Veterans day 2020!!!.

I don't think the first flag raisers get enough recognition. they was shunned.

Doc bradley is still a hero as were all the brave young marines on that island.semper fi from a retired army veteran

Couldn't of been, every platoon had an American native radioman with them.

Did anyone know that WWI had Native soldiers and they WERE NOT CITIZENS OF THE U.S.A. THEY WERE BORN IN THIS COUNTRY.. AS DID THE LINAGE OF THEIR ANCESTORS. NATIVES WERE GRANTED CITIZENSHIP IN 1923XXX1928 TO THEIR BIRTH PLACE..THAT WAS THEIR REWARD FOR SERVING..AND BENEFITS....LES WE FORGET...

I read Bradley's book.and he came across as an honest man. Why didn't he admit he wasn't the one in the picture? He knew he wasn't.

@TerryReedMiss

4 жыл бұрын

He was ... in the first one! :-)

@minkymott

4 жыл бұрын

@@TerryReedMiss but that's not the one that became popular. And I'm thinking he knew it. Maybe not. Maybe he really thought the one that became popular was the one he was in. I mean really, the heat of the battle and all. So...I take it back. I apologize.

Look forward to our book, Our Dads our Heroes by Rene Gagnon Jr. and Suzanne D. Wheeler. Correcting history in a children's book about the Monument!

February 1945.6 months left

Man I feel bad for the guy who died not being recognized for this momentous picture.

@bradcouch457

6 жыл бұрын

PyroEnderSlayer Maybe the real guy didn't want to be recognized for it. He went to war to fight for his country not become a celebrity.

@terragthegreat175

6 жыл бұрын

He lived the life he wanted to live: peaceful and normal. He died happily, don't be sad

oh Fucking bullshit! as a former corpman I'm shock! I looked up to DoC Bradley! better do another look before you remove his name. I even went to to the site where they raised the flag.

@WW2FilmsJJP

8 жыл бұрын

Doesn't make Bradley any less of a person. He should be remembered for his brave actions that got him the Navy Cross. I'm pretty sure Schultz never wanted to be publicly identified as one of the flag raisers and Bradley knew he raised the first flag but not the second, but was forced to go on the bond tour which was what caused him to have so much guilt about being praised as a flag raiser.

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so Bradley was acting?

@Mardasee

8 жыл бұрын

Yes he was acting alright. A lying bullshitter he was.

@richardf3188

7 жыл бұрын

Calling this heroic Navy Cross awarded Iwo Jima veteran a 'lying bs...' is a disgrace to you. John Bradley was part of the first flag raising at Iwo Jima. He did not lie about that. When he was in the hospital recovering from his wounds, he was told how he was in the photo of the flag raising. Would not have been much of a surprise to him being he was part of the first flag raising. At what point would it have been clear that the photo was of the second flag raising? Was it clear to John or really even matter first or second to him or any other Marine for that matter? It was the civilians that turned the entire photo into a complete circus and sought to make those men into hero's. They did not seek this out. And then when those who identified the men in the second photo decide it is no longer John, this is somehow his fault! They were the ones that told him he was in the photo. Not the other way around. If you want to blame anyone, blame the folks that screwed it up in the first place. Not the grunt on the ground who put his life at risk so we could live in freedom.

@deprogramm

6 жыл бұрын

WELL technically not, since he was part of of the first photo. And it wouldn't be wrong to assume he was also in the second one. Plus judging by the circumstances I think it was possible he would have believed it was him.

@suzanne8054

6 жыл бұрын

yes, fiction.

@joshneumann2513

5 жыл бұрын

Mardasee god you’re a horrible person

How could John Bradley have lived with himself all those years knowing that he was an impostor getting credit for doing something he did not do. And I wonder how his son, who wrote the book "Flags of Our Fathers", now feels after learning his father was in fact NOT in the iconic photograph that he (the son) had written about based on his father's (John Bradley) recollections? Does he now feel some discomfort that his own father may have lied about his role in the photo. How does he now deal with that. And why did Harold Schultz (the man originally identified as John Bradley), or anyone else,never try to set the record straight until now? This comment is not to take anything away from John Bradley or anybody else who served in the Pacific War (perhaps the most savage and brutal war in American history). All who served and sacrificed there were heroic. But much is made of the fact (both in the book/movie "Flags of Our Fathers", and other documentaries) that John Bradley never talked about his was experiences and the flag-raising on Iwo Jima with his wife or sons. One then has to wonder if remained silent for so long because he himself knew that he was taking the credit due to another fellow Marine. If that's the case, one can't help but feel enormous empathy for the man. It must have been a unique burden, first of all, to try to suppress memories of the horrors of that battle in general and, secondly, to try to keep the psychological torment of knowing that he was, in a way, living on "stolen valor" from destroying his soul. I can't imagine any survivor of that war had a heavier cross to bear than John Bradley.

@mandoville

3 жыл бұрын

maybe a Marine was waiting for another Marine to Use His Integrity and step up....Who Writes History?

@Howard.Stern.

3 жыл бұрын

Same reason literally hundreds of Army and Pentagon employees lied about Pat Tillman including lying to his family. They lied to the entire Bradley family for years for propaganda purposes. Bradley himself had lost his mind over the torture and death of Ignatowski and was a recluse when not forced to attend military ceremonies by the Marines or Navy. So it was easy to manipulate him to go along. Remember the brother of Pat Tillman bought into the propaganda about his brother and he was so close to the war that he was serving in it. Whereas the son of John Bradley was going off of secondhand reports and information decades after the events had happened.

@ltravail

3 жыл бұрын

@@Howard.Stern. I feel for the man (though he's no longer alive). That had to have been a soul breaking burden to carry.

@bearsgaming6364

2 жыл бұрын

He did participate in the first raising, and probably thought he was in fact the person in the picture

@ltravail

2 жыл бұрын

@@Howard.Stern. Loved your comment.

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dam thats crazy, the movie flags of our fathers even has the real coreman talking in the movie. So sad, dont know why he wouldnt say the truth

@nancycampbellgibson2634

8 жыл бұрын

+rene garcia It's called, "Following orders."

@richardf3188

7 жыл бұрын

He didn't lie and say "Hey! that's me in the photo". He was told that was him in the photo. And not much of a surprise for him given that he did participate in the first flag raising which he new he had been photographed. Do you think that these marines were all walking around Iwo Jima trying to figure out how they could get famous? Maybe they could be part of a great photo! If not, why I'll just lie and say I was! The fact of the matter was, they were just trying to stay alive. They could care less about being in some photo. It's us that try to turn them into something and then when we screw it up, we blame them! Incredible. John Bradley deserves nothing but our deepest thanks and respect for his heroism on Iwo Jima. Heroism that saved lives for which he was awarded the Navy Cross. Lower in importance only to the Medal Of Honor.

@joshneumann2513

5 жыл бұрын

He was forced to go along with it