So I work in an American hospital and I thought I'd share a bit of insight as to what happened here, since I see a lot of people assuming she got poor care - no, this was a pretty standard approach, and the system worked. Just hearing her talk about her symptoms I thought "This sounds gastric, probably a complication of heartburn/GERD" and that approach from the doctor was pretty much exactly what you'd expect for this, and the treatment for an Esophageal ulcer and GERD is actually THE SAME. Look at how she even reported that the 2nd medication worked and her symptoms were gone! So, Why didn't she get some sort of procedure to see how bad things were when she first went to the doctor? Well, all of that is expensive or has it's own dangers. Senchou was knocked out with Anesthesia for her gastric imaging. You don't want to have to knock someone out unless you absolutely have to, it has its own dangers and complications (She even had two bad sticks to give her the anesthetic! that sucks and is still just a minor side effect) So what do you do when someone presents with these symptoms? you give the patient a mild acid suppressor (such as famotidine) - we don't want to use the strong ones unless we have to. If it doesn't work, you increase to a stronger one (usually a proton pump inhibitor or PPI like omeprazole).... which I would bet money is exactly what happened here for Senchou, and why her symptoms resolved. She'll stay on the PPI for a while, and from now on will stay upright for thirty minutes after eating her medicine with a full glass of water, and never have this happen again. No one here was at fault - everyone did the right stuff. Except google symptoms. That's never the right call. Mikuri's joke there was spot on.

@nolanw1839

6 ай бұрын

For anyone who wants to learn more about treatment and such for esophageal ulcers, www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK470400/ Note: this is written for medical professionals, so the language is a bit... dense.

@bmanpura

6 ай бұрын

To sum this great essay is a meme: "but at what cost?" As an engineer, I share the same principle. I can make your house last a thousand year, sure, but nobody wants to pay for that ever. Not the 99% of usual clients.

@meinelust

6 ай бұрын

Been through what Senchou is going through. Can confirm and been on PPI for long term per doctor's order. Ah, the stuff you go through after you pass the 30 year mark.

@RalorPenwat

6 ай бұрын

As someone who previously had chronic issues with this from hiatal hernia before surgery and a family history of Barrett's esophagus and esophageal cancer that description of her gastroscopy made me feel anxious so ty for helping alleviate that.

@gkof23

6 ай бұрын

Healthcare in the US sucks ass. You have to jump through all these hoops just to be a able to get what you need. Not to mention all the insurance bs When I learned about family/primary care doctors, and the whole "You have to go to these guys first, get charged, then they'll point you to the specialized doctor" even for the most obvious of symptoms. Where I'm from, you can just go directly to the medical specialists without all the hassles. No booking? 90% of people just do walk-in + wait (albeit long af). No one should wait weeks just to be able to get an appointment, only to be given a few pain relieve tablets, then going through the whole thing again when it's not working

I’m glad Fubuki was there to convince Marine to see the doctor again after her condition did not improve after the first visit. It shows how close these girls are together.

this dude really thought "I must have a hole in my throat, but i dont wanna bother the hospital" anxiety really be hitting different huh. i love these marine zatsu TL's i hope you do more in the future!

@asdffsdafdsafdsa7877

6 ай бұрын

it's more like that was a compulsive worry she knew was not rational or possibly accurate but still was an intrusive thought and also funny content.

@Gabu_

3 ай бұрын

Japan is has a weird ass healthcare culture.

I really hope Marine is alright... 😢

"This looks like a NTR video" Marine: "Right, gotta make peace signs, huh?" Her mind works in beautiful ways 🤣

@hestiashearth478

4 ай бұрын

it's so wonderful lol

we all need Marine to live for as long as possible so please take care of your health Houshou-san!!

please translate Marine's rant on the chest size/Noel that you mention in the desc, a lot of the Marine zatsudan talks are really good and I always look forward to seeing your TL's on my feed.

Im glad Marine got someone like Fubuki to rely on and ask for advice. Fubuki is truly a reliable person, I'd love to have someone like her in my life

Poor Marine.

Wow Senchou's FBK impression is always so amazing! She's so good at storytelling, hope nothing serious happens. Guess it's a good rule of thumb not to sleep after you eat something

Yeah. These days here in finland, we have to have giant signs saying "DO NOT GOOGLE YOUR SYMPTOMS" plastered all over the walls of our health centres and hospitals.

ouchies, poor maririn, I'm glad she's got people around her like fubuki and her manager who got her to go get checked out! she's an absolute gem, a great storyteller, even if I can't understand japanese completely she always manages to pull me in anyway, she transcends language barriers lol.

Her Foob imitation is perfect.

I'm kinda like Marine in this way. I'll put it off for days until I'm certain I'm not bothering the doctor for no reason 💀

@danielbudiono7232

6 ай бұрын

seeking death i see

@bmo3778

6 ай бұрын

sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I also often give it at least 3 days before going to the doctor. in the meantime, I just cope it with non-medical solutions, then food supplements

@mileslong3904

6 ай бұрын

It's different in Japan. You'll get a good doctor instead of some incompetent Hindu like in the US.

@ValiantAMM

6 ай бұрын

​@@mileslong3904Hindu?? What's religion got to do with it? Besides, the doctors were giving her medicine that wasn't helping in Japan too; misdiagnosis can happen anywhere.

@Gatherway

6 ай бұрын

Well, bothering the doctor should be the least of your worries - they get paid anytime you show up, so they're definitely happy to see YOU.

Translating Marine takes so much more brainpower than literally any other holomem imo, she speaks SO fast 😆 I think she does as amazing a job as Miko at telling super entertaining stories though. So I extra appreciate that you do such a great job of it, thank you!

Sounded like ulcers. If the first solution doesn't work, it sounds odd that someone might feel hesitant to contact the hospital as soon as things got worse. Maybe prople don't know this, but they want to know when something isn't working to look closer at the problem.

@hidden4003

6 ай бұрын

Well she mentions that she went once before with a cold and they told her that hospital wouldn't cure the cold and she probably felt like being a bothersome person which is why she was hesitant to try again I guess. You have to take into account japan culture of not inconveniencing other people.

@DeathSquire36

6 ай бұрын

It's wild, within the first minute I'm like "that's an ulcer" and it took until the end of the clip for the diagnosis of obvious ulcer lol. Definitely glad she went back to the hospital, you can't be hesitant to go back when things get worse.

@orbitalvagabond

6 ай бұрын

She, the patient, needed to be instructed on what to expect and what to do when things go awry. They clearly failed to do that.

Her Fubuki impression was spot on damn.

That's how she got to marry peko on hardest lvl blackmailing as her last wish😂

Streamers not beating the unhealthy allegations any time soon.

Some people feel skeptical when their first treatment didn't work, but it's neccessary to return if it happened. Doctors always prepared for that, including moving the patient to another hospital. Sound like Senchou should take a break to heal.

@alxcrvs1908

6 ай бұрын

That's why Drs (including myself) always say if you don't feel better come another day (but this can be bad for us to because patients believe you are not secure about the treatment) to check ur meds or if you want another Dr to check you go ahead a double opinion is always worth it because it's for the well being of the patient

"An Elderly Pirate Ate a Family-Size Portion Of French Fries. That's What Happened To Her Esophagus."

Thank you for the Marine zatsu translations Nekomikuri-sensei; doing important work here 🙏

Thanks for the TL! Responding to your desc, I would definitely like more Marine zatusdan clips like these!

I feel for marine. I have terrible disease anxiety and looking up my symptoms just sends me in a panic attack. I just avoid it now

Always love hearing Marine's stories and her crazy takes, thanks for translating these and please keep 'em coming!!

"it hurts when i eat, so imma keep eating worse and worse foods" bruh

Her casual impression of FBK is actually so spot on...

i like the zatsudan tl thank you for your clips !!!

Marine never change

Thank goodness Fubuki insisted on her going to the hospital again! Hope Marine is doing better now! This was hilarious though, I'd definitely enjoy more zatsudan TLs like this, especially of Marine bc man do I love Marine, also I'm realizing she's great at storytelling. Thanks for the subs!

As always when she telling this kind of story the pace of she talking getting faster and faster 😂

Even Senchou knows that googling symptoms is not a good idea

Man, i've gone through a milder version of what happened to her, hurting the edophagus with medication. And i've got to say. THIS IS TERRIBLY PAINFUL, she is definelly downplaying it or she is really strong eith pain. Respect for our horny pirate!

"She kept asking us if it would be okay if she was awake for it but eventually we convinced her to get the anesthesia, she looked strangely disappointed."

so,I believe we've not had full discovery. "waiting for results"is the key phrase in entire,overly long,dialogue

I like these zatsus clipper sama! Marine is incrediably popular partly because she so fun to listen to

throat health seems like such a recurring problem for vtubers :( hope she turns out alright

@Dead_Weight21

6 ай бұрын

Maybe something to do with voice?

@MrCh0o

6 ай бұрын

Though this seems to be more of an esophagus issue (I don't think she'd be able to fall asleep with a pill stuck in her throat)

@_dt1230

6 ай бұрын

@@Dead_Weight21well yeah they have to stream and then practice singing and then other stuff overworking their voices and throats ig

@Orome96

6 ай бұрын

Its a recurring problem for singers, actors, talk hosts, tubers and pretty much every profession that relies heavily on the vocal cords. The risk comes with the job. Same as wrist/back/eye problems for digital artists, burns and cuts for gastronomy, and major psychotic rage for retail etc etc... AKA its normal.

1:29 Mayo clinic has never steered me wrong (I am drowning in medical debt 😎)

marines stories are so damn funny, shes such a great storyteller, id love to see more translations of them

doctors here in jp will do anything to not do checks on you. first doctor almost kicked me out and wouldnt check me coz they thought i just had flu or covid until the nurse suggested they had testing kits available. turns out i don't (which I was pretty sure I didn't have since I rarely go out of the house anyway and was working at home). so in the end they did the tests and I received treatment. another incident was this young doctor who literally just asked me one question and the "check up" was over.

im losing it at the edits

An endoscopy is about as close to getting violated by tentacles as you can get in the real world, no wonder she went through with it

Always have more than one doctor/team to get to perform differential diagnosis.

was really worried when she tweeted that day, hopefully all is fine now

Having friends worrying about your health more than you worry about it yourself. The true thirties experience.

so McD is a healthy meal for Marine xD

Senchou *please.* 2:48 - Nice Fubuki impression.

Ill wellcome all and every Marine's zatsudan clips :3

I had a similar issue a few years ago and had the same procedure, even without the pain it's a really annoying condition, especially if it interferes with sleep. Glad she's getting treatment now and hopefully it resolves quickly. I will say though, that anaesthetic... best sleep I ever had lmao

Marine really followed the bing recommendations/suggestions

If you ever have strange and/or serious symptoms like Marine and they just go away suddenly I'd still recommend getting it checked out. You never know if there's still a problem and a check up can help with that.

Nice to know some Japanese docs are as presumptuous and half-assed as American ones. Just a reminder to advocate for yourself if something doesn’t feel right and get a second opinion if necessary

@ItsMeCharkey

6 ай бұрын

Right?? Like what the heck my grandmas a nurse and I legit was like bruh you ain’t even gonna check a single thing Bro if I wanted that I’d go to a CVS and rummage the bargain bin

@txcforever

6 ай бұрын

It's everywhere man, not in specific countries. Like if some doctors see a similar case 10-20-30 times, they will end up treating them all the same ignoring that a lot medical issues share similar symptoms. Like a friend of mine had issue with his arm for nearly a year. Two doctors just half-assed a diagnosis based on where he felt pain and gave him medicine for tendonitis, but even after a year it never got better. In the end a physiotherapist noticed the problem was at his shoulder and not his triceps as the doctors claimed and not treating it properly for over a year made it worse.

@MoonchildMelly

6 ай бұрын

It's everywhere like this. Even here in Germany it's VERY rare to find a good doctor. It's mostly the elderly ones, who still treat the symptoms differently and individually. I went to the hospital once in my life and never wish to go there again. I went there because of severe pain and in the end my diagnose was "you don't have any pain"??? I was sitting there almost crying, and the doctor only prescribed me some pain meds... Seems like that's the modern pharmacy nowadays.

@minecraftreports

6 ай бұрын

why you should always go to a different doctor if you are unsatisfied with the first. like who cares what the other thinks, you the one suffering

@snooks5607

6 ай бұрын

it's partly cultural differences, individualism vs collectivism. in japan you are expected to accept what the doctor says, they're the professional, it could undermine the system if patients started questioning it (of course there's exceptions but that's the general vibe). traditionally people don't even necessarily have the ultimate say about what's good for them as an individual, like someone might be diagnosed with terminal cancer and doctor/family can decide not to even tell the person they are going to die in few weeks, better for the common good etc, and I bet if asked patients in that position might even agree that it'd be ok not to have been told if others felt that it'd be better not to.

I fr didn't know you shouldn't sleep after taking a meds cause it can melt while it's in your esophagus. Thinking about it though... I do remember that food and stuff does take quite a while in the esophagus before it does end up in the stomach.

Oh crap thats scary! U gotta watch your health Marine!

Her "Healthty Food" must be really working 🙂

McD Redhead Moms are something, for sure

Hopefully she's all good. She seems to be going through it already. Still I'm impressed she can make an entertaining story out of anything though lol.

Oh hey it's me. I also have terrible eating habits and have had some pills dissolve in my throat, you can really feel the burn when it happens. Sucks a lot, and nothing makes it better. Not water, not cold milk...

bruh wtf marine

still dont get why people let it reach to that point, i get some reflux and im already dying

Google: Tummy, swallow, hurt "You are going to die" So relatable

@LTSarcasm

6 ай бұрын

"I have a pain in my back" WebMD: YOU ARE MADE OF DEATH

I hope your captain can be rid of the scurvy soon😅 (Jk) Glad fubuki convinced her to have it checked out. My dad is stubborn like that too 😅

Did i just passed seven minutes of my life to listen to an 2d girl gastroascopy

God she speaks so fuckin fast sometimes

Jeezus christ.

The first thing I thought of was that it has to be an ulcer. How did her doctor not pick up on that? Yeesh.

Why is the lip syncing all of a sudden so smooth at 3:54 ??

always go to the right doctor. doctor who handle patients with normal daily pain, headache, stomachache would not be alarmed for worse indications, they would only tell you to eat medicine without further check until something gets too late/ terminal. if i got pain that ive never got before in specific organ, i would go to the specialist doctor in that department/field. if that doctor still behave like what first doctor do on marine's case, go to different doctor for another check. . who cares about politics in health industry for being not faithful to one doctor if the 1st doctor can potentially danger your life

@Dead_Weight21

6 ай бұрын

Isn't insurance preventing people from doing this, or am i thinking of something else?

seems like a clear case of rabies

4:53 was this sped up in editing?

Ah . The lifestyle of the 30s 😌

5:15 is that thumbnail of the doctor from a pr0no lol

Anyone not a huge fan of the whole vertical mode streaming? Eugh. Hope Marine takes care of herself.

@Superjaytang00

6 ай бұрын

Not a fan, but if the girls like it then more power to them

@reddo5734

6 ай бұрын

I just wish it had better implementation on mobile. You can't change resolution, and you can't use Picture-in-Picture mode too.

@Zeik56

6 ай бұрын

​​@@Superjaytang00I don't think they necessarily like it or prefer it, but KZread is pushing this stuff lately, so they have to if they want to stay relevant in the algorithm.

@jimmyjohnjoejr

6 ай бұрын

​@@reddo5734take the vanced pill

@kingofherosking3510

6 ай бұрын

Nope not me I like it, I discover many new vtuber with that mode. And yeah marine need to take care herself more.

I don't know why, i watched many holomember telling stories, but only marine so far when i listen to her telling story it's really like my female friends , i guess marine is really 30 yo or at least near 30 (i'm 27 yo but my friend mostly 28-30 yo)

did she mention viking for the buffet? i also ate at viking! me and marine are basically married

If Marine's throat and esophagus look like moon craters, then she is not taking care of herself very well. She might require an extended hiatus and long-term treatment to maintain her quality of life. Considering that she wants a lot of kids, this would not be something to take lightly. Pregnancy and motherhood take a massive toll on a woman's body.

She's one of the more unhealthier person in Hololive. Before this it was acid reflux so she has history about this kind of sickness. I guess she just never learn. Glad that people around her care about her.

this is why i have a reverse simp relationship with vtubers, like i hope they got a bf or husband or gf or whatever, people who live with them close to them and could take care of them. Shit like this

0:05 bruh only marine could ever talk like this while telling a serious help problem 🗿🗿🗿🗿

marine is the type of person who would google thier symptoms and then announce to everybody shes dying tommorow although its a minor cough

This girl really dosent take care of herself might as well hire a personal assistant if she is gonna be this reckless.

Why the hololive foxes are the ones looking after other holomems healths?

...from what hole does the camera go in n out?

@Nekomikuri

6 ай бұрын

have you ever done a gastroscopy... where else It goes in the mouth LOL

@dnega7897

6 ай бұрын

@@Nekomikuri no, hence im asking lol i thought they ripped the stomach lmao edit: i just remembered gastrocopy is different from colonoscopy 💀

@asaurusrex9165

6 ай бұрын

​@@dnega7897 Jesus christ

@Razorcarl

6 ай бұрын

Geez bruh ​@@dnega7897

@MrCh0o

6 ай бұрын

@@dnega7897 Don't cross the -camera- streams

ah yes barret oesophagus small step to oesophagal cancer

@nolanw1839

6 ай бұрын

Nah man, medication induced esophageal ulcers, as she described at the end, the medicine sitting in her throat broke down her esophagus - barrets is from untreated heartburn, which it doesn't sound like she's suffered.

@LTSarcasm

6 ай бұрын

@@nolanw1839 yeah, I've had one or two due to unfortunate pills getting stuck. They generally resolve quite quickly if you just... make sure more don't get stuck for a while.

Pains me to no end when people with health problems don't go to the hospital despite having free/affordable healthcare haha. Please, just go to every doctor if you need to, at least you have the ability to not be in debt for life lmao

Guess that's why when my mother takes her meds, she always downs a full cup of water with them and makes sure to let it sink all the way down to the stomach. Someone before her must have suffered something like this. And well, it makes sense: medicine _is_ in essence mild water-reactive chemicals. Also lazy medics are lazy.

Yeah, a lot of Japanese doctors seem to be unconcerned with actually helping their patients. If something is really hurting or concerning you, pursue second and third opinions.

@Dead_Weight21

6 ай бұрын

Not just japan, just doctors in general nowadays

@Cuacky_RK

6 ай бұрын

It's hard to find a doctor who actually cares

If a doctor tells me "there's no need to check", thats WHEN you request to check, go for a 2nd opinion No goddamn competent doctor would take "pain" responses with "naaaah"

typical doctor, "Cool story bro, here's some drugs" Bro couldn't even be bothered to order an ultrasound which would've been the bare minimum he could do.

@DinnerForkTongue

6 ай бұрын

Quacks will be quacks. No wonder people believe less and less on medicine.

@nolanw1839

6 ай бұрын

Ultrasound wouldn't've been a good approach for this - it wouldn't have been able to visualize the ulcer. They probably treated just it like bad heartburn.

@MrCh0o

6 ай бұрын

I... don't imagine ultrasound would be good for anything but foreign body detection (and if something was stuck there, the pain would be rather localized in the first place, and she'd likely have much more trouble eating from the onset of the symptoms) when it comes to esophagus, but I can't exactly claim to be a healthcare professional

I think they should start hiring doctors and nurses specially for Hololive. Under nda and can be called at any time 24/7. They can be regular practitioners but if they are needed they go. Not having them have to schedule appointments and wait weeks for procedures.

Disclaimer first I just wanna say sorry to all Houshou marine fans, but you see this how actually a carrier woman life, she had a busy day all of time, theres like no time to manage her self, even worse she eat an instant food rather the healthy one, I hope Marine will find someone who really love her and get married, please guys dont hurt your oshi because their close to some guys outside there, so please I just want to hololive members (the girls one) get the human life like all of you. Just imagine, if marines had married this kind of situation does not happen, she will get a really good treatment by her pair and can life more happy and healthy, for me its doesnt matter if my oshi (Pekora) get married I happy for her cheering for her because she had her own life and so am I, I just like a FICTIVE character (usada pekora) and thats enough for me. And I think virtual idol or actual idol deserve to being happy with their pair.

I'm American and even I don't eat that garbage.

@firstnamelastname8439

6 ай бұрын

To be fair, most other countries have stricter food safety and quality standards than the US, so McDonald's in Japan probably isn't as garbage as it is in the US.

Did i just passed seven minutes of my life to listen to an 2d girl gastroascopy