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My list from least to most useful 5) Medic because of everything you said 4) Tecker - Because smart ass exists and the drone isn't that useful, gets killed easily too. 3) Sargent - the increase of Command points and the stop stress button are amazing 2) Gunner - bring in the boom! 1) Recon - you can't lose a fight if you never get into one.

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Close enough...

@20storiesunder

Жыл бұрын

​@@MistaFiOthVery close!

@Momofukudoodoowindu

Жыл бұрын

Nightmare difficultly makes Recon way less OP. The detection times are insane. Im gonna just bring more smart guns and hide and wait.

@blackraven3720

Жыл бұрын

But Tecker can hack without costing tools

@20storiesunder

Жыл бұрын

@@Momofukudoodoowindu I've used recon consistently in nightmare with very little problems.

Medic needs a passive perk "emotional support" which reduces stress very slowly while undetected or after the team has rested in a safe area it brings the stress teir down by 1. If the medic had either one of those, it would be in my top 3 for assault teams

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

VERY solid idea. It'd make the Class that much more useful.

@CSM100MK2

11 ай бұрын

nice idea

@lustrazor44

10 ай бұрын

That would be good but may be very VERY abusable. It would have to be only by a certain amount while moving for time reduction. The rest is a good idea though.

@sbentsen2714

7 ай бұрын

💯 agree

Even on teams of 4 marines, on high difficulties, I strongly recommend 2 snipers. They can eliminate 2 targets instantly (very useful on infinite onslaught), also you have 2 positions to eliminate sleeping drones or approaching targets. Usually your sniper is in a bad position to take out an enemy that is gonna detect your squad in seconds, so you must move your squad, so sniper will have a direct line of fire. Sergeant has an ability to freeze the stress, best used on massive onslaughts. On replay, when you know the levels and events, medic is useless, that 30 stress reduction on healing is not a big deal. I hope they revamp the class somehow, what I have in mind is less recovery days for injured marines if medic treated them in the field or unique ability to pickup samples (or the number of samples, for example a marine can pick 4 samples from a queens body, while medic, with biology knowledge, can pick 8)

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Solid stuff man. Agreed.

My top is based on this question - without which class others don't shine. Considering early game, considering 4 char team and overall utility. 1. Recon - vision through walls, silent sniper rifle one shot are great. Battle scanner - meh, you should have enough of stationary motion trackers deployed to ever need this skill. Passives - fast is oki'sh, lvl 10 -25% detection time is very useful. *Cute that your recon is clumsy :) Sad to see there was no redemption for him. 2. Sergeant - stress is THE ISSUE in the game, not resources, not ammo. Sergeant mitigates a lot of it from level 6 - fantastic active skill for 1 comm point. In the end less stress saves you a lot of resources. +10% bravery is a nice passive, too. lvl 10 passive on rest is a good help in tough spots. Just a pleasant bonus, nothing crazy. All of his upgrades are really solid: +1 comm point, -10 cooldown regen, +5% bravery for class. Agreed about team spirit. *My core team has 7 command points. 3. Gunner - best dps in the game (9 dps at 50% hit rate over 3 seconds on level 3 (!!) char. *I calculated every weapon as per 3 second bursts to have comparative numbers as each weapon has different burst timers from 0.75 seconds and up while taking into account median damage on each wpn. Example: plasma was 7,5 (can't recall exact number), smg 5, pulse 6, heavy pulse 6.75. Simple calculation - average dps per shot from 1 to 2 = 1.5 average, burst 2 = 3 dps multiplied by how many bursts the weapon does in 3 seconds, lets say 4 bursts at 0.75 equals to 1.5 x 2 x 4 = 12 divided by 50% hit chance = 6 dps per 3 second comparison or 2 per 1 (I stick with 3 seconds not to complicate it more, even though it's meant to be damage per second, so in this case dps per 3 seconds for overall comparison). One aspect I am not aware of is how the crit/dismember procs are calculated - is it based on burst or each bullet within a burst. Because if per burst = everyone is close, if per bullet - any weapon that does more shots per burst wins regardless of dps if you have high dismemberment stat. So considering all that wall of text - gunner is and can be the best solo dps in the game. Especially with the place-able M56 on tripod +submachine gun in hand. Yet that requires preparation. 4. Tecker - tactical drone gives additional utility and gameplay options +team dps. Hack is available to anyone who has Smart-ass. Where Tecker shines is lvl 10 free hacks for anyone. That is absolutely golden. But that makes class a very late bloomer, unless drone is a core gameplay for you. To me it's a preference. 5. Medic - barely useful to be frank, maybe +1hp on rest, which still doesn't alleviate the recuperation timer of received damage after battle. Level 10 passive is actually very good if you have a tough mission where you power through and then have -30% recuperation. Does it work for anyone or medic has to be in this mission - no idea.

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Very good process of elimination. Lists might differ, but I get your thought process.

@wulite4601

11 ай бұрын

I'll put tecker to no.2 because of the drone. With drone you could explore the map and see which room you need to go and which you don't. On nightmare it is imposible to search every room so planning your waypoint is very important. The other thing is combining drone and turrent you could make a deadly trap to wipe out a large group of aliens without being detected. The tecker has the same fuction with the recon: avoid being detected. That make them no.1 and no. 2

You haven’t experienced joy until you’ve had a 5 gunner squad.

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Let me get the vaseline...

@CSM100MK2

11 ай бұрын

you haven't even done this. you would need at least 22 recruits leveled to 3. grow up and get over yourself.

@Cheapstall

10 ай бұрын

@@CSM100MK2 damn bro

@sirking7873

7 ай бұрын

Pay day 2 sounds

@sbentsen2714

7 ай бұрын

Oh gosh I really want to try that, I just finished a deployment where the first go around on this level my squad had no gunners and it was a real struggle, had to extract and switch out my team. The next team had two gunners on it and I just had a much much better time and was able to get through with very little damage done to my Marines 👍🏼 gunners really do kick ass

Awesome video once again fioth! 👏

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, my man! o7

Id personally rate the sergeant much higher, keeping trauma down, more and faster command point regeneration, which gives you more mines and sniper shots to avoid fights, or more abilities if you get into a fight

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

The only reason he is not higher is because I deem the rest of the Classes more valuable. That might be different for other people, according to their playstyle.

Good list always good to hear your opinions and ideas

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, Banie. What does your list look like?

After my first playthrough, I went super quick for an upgraded sniper with my second playthrough on nightmare. Man, that made things so easier from the start

@MistaFiOth

9 ай бұрын

It's pretty much the most needed Class in the game. You need the Stealth capabilities they bring to the table.

Agreed on most points here. Medic can serve as a crutch for new players on a Story playthrough but it's traits need a major overhaul. Pre-APC I recommend running a squad of Sergeant / Tecker / Gunner / Recon and when you get the APC and your 5th slot, put either another Recon or Gunner in. Recon if you're on a 1st deployment and want to avoid raising the Hive aggressiveness. Gunner if you know you're going into a scripted onslaught or looking to smash a Hive and it's Queen. Two Gunners with the Advanced Tracking System (focus fire with Kill That Bastard) will absolutely melt a Queen, especially if you have the Sergeant/Recon providing Suppressive Fire and an RPG for good measure. Whichever of the remaining squad members isn't using the RPG should use a Flamethrower to deal with the Facehuggers that usually come with the Queen.

@MistaFiOth

9 ай бұрын

Good feedback, Marine! 🫡

#1 has to be the Recon. Recon = MVP. I mean, they wear capes. C'mon. Tecker and Gunner are tied for #2 to me. The Tecker's hacking and drone are awesome. The drone can scout for you and pull enemies into ambushes. Once I realized the Drone was essentially a true recon unit, the Tecker became a real contender. The Gunner because the smartgun. Period. Can't go wrong with a hail of bullets. LET'S ROCK!!!

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Beware the revolving doors!

@user-fn9cs4dv8r

Жыл бұрын

Drone does not snipe

@phrozac

Жыл бұрын

@@user-fn9cs4dv8r Didn't say it did. It does shoot though.

straight, to the point. i like

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

My man! o7

For those wondering I just figured out how to reroll classes if you get ones for a character you don't want. First have multiple soldiers ready to promote to level three, at least two. Then look at all their class options first. Once you PICK a class for one soldier it will reroll the options you saw for the other soldiers. If you save it the options you saw are saved. So find a good fit, save it, then keep picking it until the other soldiers get a class you like. Hopes this helps, it did for me. If you don't like any of the class choices, you'll have to reload the last save before extracting out of a level to reroll them ALL.

@MistaFiOth

8 ай бұрын

Very nice info, my man. Favoring so others can see it as well.

Depends on the play style i guess. Tecker and Sergent is at least top 2 for me for the reason as Tecker is good for redirecting enemy movements and setting up choke point ambush with drone noise to lure to your 5 sentry/mine/apc while your squad is undetected and Sergent is for your stress issue, you can get additional xp for all massive onslaught without rest nor increasing stress to lvl1

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Playstyle plays a big role, indeed.

@AaronBowley

3 ай бұрын

my next playthrough will be 5 tekkers 😎

@MistaFiOth

3 ай бұрын

@AaronBowley we used to do 3-Tech squads in Fireteam Elite. :P

Sarge lvl6 with base Pulse Rifle spamming Reprimand is all you need, the other 4 are just maggots that hold it.

@MistaFiOth

10 ай бұрын

Another Sarge appreciator!

Spot on 🦾👍

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Glad we agree, my man! 🫡

Mista_Fioth: "medic tier 5" Marines with missing limbs: Idk, I think medics are pretty great.

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

That was great, rofl! xD

Hmmm based on my playstyle i'll put tecker above recon, the drone ability to scouting the terrain ahead is really valuable for me, drone welding also save my teams a couple of times while retreating from hunts.

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Solid approach. I also find great use in the Drone.

Aaaand your Recon is ... Clumsy! That made me laugh!

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Yup... No luck with Redemption on that one.

What are the common classes that you normally bring to missions? I play st Berkeley dock mission so i don't have much selections besides the rookies

@MistaFiOth

9 ай бұрын

Two Gunners, no Medic. Worked like a charm on Nightmare.

@lot5953

9 ай бұрын

@@MistaFiOth okay I will keep that in mind. Right now it's hard to promote because my first squad all of them are in the medic center so I just deploy with new recruits..I need to find out to eliminate all these health status so they are ready for every deployment

Honestly I would ranked them by tiers instead. S - Rank: Recon: Recon is must take period. Silently remove patrols is unmatched. A - Rank: Gunner, Tech, Sarge: The Gunner, Tech, And Sarge all have great strengths. Gunner is nice for fights, Sarge makes Stress ez and lets you use abilities more, Tech for doors w/o using a skill slot on another character and drone support D - Rank: Medic: Just feels like it was an afterthought. It doesn't really have a purpose imo. Maybe if it had an ability where it could use a medical supply to make the squad immune to damage for a few seconds or something or lower hive aggressiveness? I dunno really just not a well implemented class. The stress on heal is kinda w/e because the Sarge's Reprimand, and Resting makes Stress management a breeze.

@MistaFiOth

11 ай бұрын

Well, there are only 5 Classes, so...

@googlemademedoit806

11 ай бұрын

@@MistaFiOth No worries Im just giving how I view the class breakdown. I just think the tier system better delineates the value of the classes rather than a 1-5. Medic is much worse relative to the other classes than a 5th class vs 4th class suggests imo.

Recon is great but I'm not finding Recon as viable when playing in Nightmare mode. The enemy detection line fills so fast you can't get the shot off before you are detected unless they're at least 30 mtrs away. it'a a lot less forgiving than say medium difficulty. Maybe when the recon reach level 10 for the 25% delayed detection bonus they can get those snap shots off again at shorter distances.

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

On Hard, it's very viable. I'll have to test more on Nightmare.

@Momofukudoodoowindu

Жыл бұрын

@@MistaFiOth just started my NM play through. Can confirm as well the detection times are now lore accurate 😖

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Take a lot of vaseline with you, Marine!

they need to make a big pillars of eternity like game but with this games mechanics

@MistaFiOth

9 ай бұрын

Don't think Tindalos is big enough to undertake such a project.

My biggest issue with the doc is that the Sgt does what I wish it did. That and there's a lot of synergy between the gunners and sgt to the point that it makes the doc redundant. And what I mean is while you're on an onslaught(or hunt) you can pop the Sgts ability to negate stress for 30 seconds. And if your stress is near the point of inducing trauma you're going to maximize your gunners fire rate(at level 10) But even then negating stress is huge, that and once things calm down you can find a room to rest in and not waste med kits. And if you run with team spirit and have your sgt with a fully upgraded backpack that 1 command point is going to make or break your defense Now I haven't played in the highest difficulty so this might not apply to that and the doc may actually be more useful there. But so far not having one, whether it's a team of 4 or 5, isn't making the game harder. I recommend running a sgt, gunner, treck, and recon. And then once you get your 5th run a second gunner. 2 free sentry guns on top of the 5 you can carry is an unbeatable combo.

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

My thoughts as well... Medic needed a more rounded Kit. Healing only physical DMG is a big downer...

@DoktorZaius86

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if the normal sentry guns should be a special weapon that competes with RPGS/Mines/Flamethrower/Sniper slot just for balancing purposes. I love them but they seem too numerous and too good.

@ZeroRulz0

Жыл бұрын

@@MistaFiOth exactly. And like you pointed out, if you start taking physical damage you need to stop what you're doing immediately and reevaluate your approach and possibly pull out from your current run just to reset because I can guarantee most of the damage you'll take is while moving through the corridors.

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

That'd probably break more than it would fix.

@ZeroRulz0

Жыл бұрын

@@DoktorZaius86 they're only good if you place them properly. Like if you place them wrong you could ultimately screw yourself

My list before watching. Recon Gunner (possibly beats recon mid-game after submachine gun + turret combo) Sarge Tech Literal bottle of water Medic

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Gotta stay hydrated, Marine! :P

Using full team commando is inane when you’re maxed lvl. But I wanna see a team of two commanders and the rest recon

@MistaFiOth

11 ай бұрын

That many Recons is not a good idea, I think. Gunners on the other hand... that could work.

If you were to do a class tier list for speedrunning, would you still rank medic last? Extra health and faster healing sounds good for going fast.

@MistaFiOth

11 ай бұрын

Would you really want to SR this game though? It has so much RNG in it, you might do everything perfectly and still get screwed.

@lbloodyl

11 ай бұрын

@@MistaFiOth Skill ceiling seems to be very high if you can split up your marines to different parts of the map, and keeping them alive while doing so.

@MistaFiOth

11 ай бұрын

I'd be interested in watching a run like that. You going to attempt?

@lbloodyl

11 ай бұрын

@@MistaFiOth Not until they get rid of prologue at least

Just bought this and was just wondering if they have DLC plans or more big fixes

@MistaFiOth

7 ай бұрын

Welcome to the Crops, Marine! o7 They have been patching consistently, last update came out about a month ago. No official plans for DLC, but I suspect we're gonna see some, based on the studio's history.

most of my gameplay in this game has been stealth and having a 1. Recon, they save me a lot with the silence gun and taking out the unnecessary detection xD 2. Sargent - it would've been much CP a lot for Recon's sniper skills. Keeping my marine's Stress on halt. 3. Tecker - for opening the door, drone weld so far out while my marine running away / doing something important and dropping mines. Plus, it gives me the opportunity to take shortcuts with ciphering the locked door, and having an extra gunner drone as a distraction just so my marine health still has at least 1-2 armors. 4. Gunner - Placing turrets and upgrading them, mostly bringing Flamethrower and the smart gun to "Suppressing the enemies". 5. Medic - I haven't brought medic till a certain stage that allowed u to bring 5 Marines to the mission, i rarely get injured for my team. so in the meantime, 3 medics in training whileIi have 4marinese in the squad. Now, im waiting for custom mods like Star Wars Clone Troopers with Geonisian as Alien, hope there's mod pack for Epic Games 😔

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

I don't think we're getting official mods like those, but the modding community will do the trick.

@Tekeu_Saith

Жыл бұрын

@Mista_FiOth for steam possibly but for Epic games, idk how to hav mods in there. 😔

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

They go into the related folder, just like with Stream. Modders usually provide directions.

Great work marine! o7

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Semper fi!

Sergeant should be top spot along with recon. With 2 sergants the game becomes super easy. You have lots of points and fast point regen, which allows your recon to snipe away frivolously, or to be able to dish out lots of utility during fights. And reprimand can make you completely immune to stress, if you don't forget to use it continuesly during hunts and fights. You can complete entire missions without need to rest because Reprimand can be that good in the right hands.

@MistaFiOth

6 ай бұрын

Agreed. These are all very meta things to do though, discovered by the community throughout the game's life. This vid was made when it came out.

Great list, although personally I would have swapped Sergeant and Gunner. CP boosts and regen are just way too good to pass (and unlike Gunners they don't wear silly "arm stockings" 😀). As for the Recon...going on a mission without one with the silenced sniper rifle equipped is basically suicide. What confuses me is how schizophrenic it is to see how many classes with so many perks for combat (and the aftermath of combat) the devs designed in a game that so utterly and severely punishes you for engaging your enemies. Once you unlock the Recon and the silenced Sniper Rifle this game 100% becomes a hardcore stealth game where you more or less only fight in hardcoded battles, or you're screwed. At least on higher difficulties. Once you go over Alien Aggressiveness: "Easy" on the highest difficulty (= roughly 2x detection), you're basically a dead man walking due to how costly each hunt is going to be for your squad. I seriously wish they had made the action less punishing and the game as a whole way less hardcore Metal Gear Solid.

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

They've stated that they will be rebalancing and rethinking stuff. They are adding a Mode without Doom Clock, for example. We'll have to wait and see.

1-2) SGT should definitely be 1 or 2, the bonus command points and command point recharge means more sniper shots, more landmines, more all abilities. 1-2) Recon, the other 1 or 2 place. that sniper rifle is the only real way besides mines to prevent fights. 3*)Tecker solid middle (3rd), free hacking skill, later no tools to hack, the battle drone is amazing, bait for calling a fight into a trap, I save my ammo on it for big fights, and the TURRET OVER CHARGE SUPPRESSING FIRE!!! if the Recon and SGT werent up there, the Tecker would be first for that alone. 4) Gunner smart gun is early fire power boost, the smart gun turret, is less useful since normal turrets are better, but it does add an extra gun when needed. The High Impact bullets makes it useful even later boosting all suppressing fire. 5) Medic, the class that can stay home until you have 5 slots. Armor is flat out better than HP, if only for acid immune and preventing injuries.

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Legit thoughts!

I noticed in the beginning you named some of your Marines after the ones from the movie (Hudson, Hicks etc) could u do Ricco Frost for me? He's my fav :)

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Hey hey! I aim to bring as much fun to the streams as possible for as many peeps as possible! Drop into the next one and remind me! ;)

@Zracon

Жыл бұрын

Wierzbowski.....WIERZBOWSKIIIII.

@DeepeyeLV

Жыл бұрын

@@Zracon that guy flew with the flamer right down the middle...

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

xD

Just remember, if you have every 10 to 20 Marines that they're in Level 3, make sure you pick the class in the Barracks carefully instead of Extraction. Like, you'll have 4 Sergeants, 4 Gunners, 4 Medics, 4 Teckers and 4 Recon Classes.

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Balance is key, indeed.

Mmh, i know that guy... from Aliens Fireteam 🙂

@MistaFiOth

5 ай бұрын

The very same! 🤘

MEDIC need more love :(

@MistaFiOth

11 ай бұрын

Loads of it!

You named your Marines after those in the film. Me too.

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

In my Hard save, yes. In my save shown here, it's peeps from the community!

Nice!!!

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! :D

We badly need another Fireteam Elite game!!!

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Let's stick to the topic at hand, mate. Enjoy the game?

I mostly agree but for me the sarge is the número 1 always

@MistaFiOth

6 ай бұрын

Very strong indeed!

I find the medic can replace the Tecker by using the smartass perk and even though you lose 1 perk point for doing that you essentially give your whole squad the tough perk just for 30 materials with combat drugs. The only thing you miss out on is the drone which is nice for having a free mobile distraction for aliens but you can get the same thing accomplished by using command points to set up motion trackers which is something everyone should be doing already and it doesn't take materials to do so. So for me my list would be: 5: Tecker Not a bad class but it feels the most replaceable to me due to smartass perk until you get your 5th slot 4: Medic Combat drugs helps with early game survival before your marines have all of their defensive perks, faster healing speed can be life or death if 1 of your marines gets knocked unconscious mid hunt 3: Gunner The extra firepower of the smartgun is nice but the buff to suppressive fire for the whole squad is one of the most useful upgrades in the game 2: Sergeant +10 bravery and the extra command point/faster point recovery upgrades are huge, definitely a must have due to how impactful command points are and how big of a deal stress is 1: Recon Suppressed precision shot is goated, infrared goggles also help a ton as well because even if you know every mission 100% there can still be random sleeping drones that weren't there before plus being able to tell the different between cultists, normal aliens, and crushers/praetorians before you see them is very helpful.

@MistaFiOth

11 ай бұрын

Very good thoughts! There is no one way to play - everything depends on the approach. Good list!

@Akplayerone907

11 ай бұрын

@@MistaFiOth Yeah i really enjoy how tactical the game is, it does an amazing job at making the Aliens feel like the threat they are supposed to be while still having a ton of options for how to approach any given mission.

Thats what i always put in my teams for team of 4 i put Sargent a specialist gunner and recon team of 5 its the same but x2 gunners or x2 recons thanks for the tips i havent lost any marines yet.

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Give 'em Hell, Marine! 🫡

@DCWAGE

Жыл бұрын

I post a game play of this build for you.

Nah sharpshooter is my favorite without a doubt. Saved me at least 3 hours less of fighting due to that silent sniper. I remember finishing an entire level besides the last objective without being seen.

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Same here!

Still no update on ps5. My teckers drone is stuck in an area I can't reach. Had to load an earlier save to take an elevator because it just wouldn't work. Great list man, I'll be using it. Not bad....for a human.

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

/spits out milk-like goo

Nightmare: 1. Sergeant - best class in game command points and "no stress" button 2. Gunner and recon 3. medic - to heal those 1 bar wounds during rest 4. tecker - totally useless class

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

You are pretty adamant!

@donkeysunited

Жыл бұрын

I agree with that. The Tecker is useless - his only good skills are at L10 and you're unlikely to reach that as you'll be bringing other soldier classes instead. Plus the drone's gun uses precious ammo clips. Plus his only use for opening doors can be done by anyone with the Smart-ass skill. Recon can get its best skill (silent sniper) at L3. A Gunner gets its best skill (high impact rounds on the smart gun) at L3. The Sergeant has lots of useful skills and the Medic can reduce stress with each heal at L3. Until they move the Tecker's best skills down to L3 / L6 and make the drone SMG have infinite ammo like the secondary weapons (perhaps with reduced damage or a long reload time, if that's too OP), I'm not wasting a slot on him.

@gutsblackswordsman4707

Жыл бұрын

I would highly argue against that, Tecker is actually an S-tier list, based on my experience soloing the ground level of Atmospheric Nightmare with only a single tech. The drone is actually OP not only it helps with the DPS and it acts as a repairable armor since the aliens destroy it first before getting to the marine (although highly against a frontal confrontation). The noise distraction made a Tecker the other only class viable for solo besides a recon (no brainer here) and added to the ability to unlock every door then I would argue that the class is better than a recon (without a smart ass perk). During defensive missions and onslaughts, a Tecker can upgrade the turret to have suppressive fire and more damage essentially making the gunner obsolete.

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Making the Gunner obsolete is kind of an extreme statement. The direct DMG is too high to be ignored. I agree on the Tracker's viability though.

The cloak is a little nod to Alien 3

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Probably... Still feels a bit strange though.

Class tier list are pretty redundant when you can pick one of each and buffs do not stack and are often unnecessary to have redundancy in active skills. Only medic needs redesign though.

It depends entirely on the difficulty. As I've said before the recon is utterly useless on nightmare. Ive completed it twice on nightmare. Second playthrough i disabled the minimap which i suggest. Brilliant playthrough. For nightmare though my list is Gunner , Medic , Sargent, techy , recon. Medic is invaluable on nightmare as the bonuses for increased health help along with stress relief against the higher difficulty damages. When infestation level increases they become superb to have as your going to get detected wether you like it or not.

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Can't talk about Nightmare... yet.

@dav9751

Жыл бұрын

@@MistaFiOth yet 🤣🤣 honestly man it's great. Imo ? The way the game should be played. I look forward to your playthrough

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Hurrah! o7

I can't believe you put Sargent not 1 or 2 command points and stress reduction is so vital but Recon at 1 totally makes sense

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Share your thoughts!

Imma maje seperate post bout the classes if i do more than one so ill start with medicl two things they can do is take morphine and pair it with the xeno researsh for pain meds can drop you near 2 levels if done right as well the medic prevents damage from the people with the negative trait that hurts marines when you rest during missions.

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

I guess you like Medic more than I do. 😛

@ThePhOeNiX86

Жыл бұрын

@Mista_FiOth I see the benefit of the trauma perk now we were talking bout it before and I was watching gameplay so the benefit now is that with the newer version it gives one tick so paired with the trauma unit on ship you will lose 3 ticks a day vs two meaning that you get a whole bracket erased for every day in the trauma unit. I do feel this change was made a counter to the previous tactic I told you before which was to let them accumulate trauma than place them in intensive traing for three days which was super op when pair with the tired perk.

I not that great at this, but I’m getting better. Things starting to make a lot more sense.

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Have you had any prior RTS experience?

@tnyeh

Жыл бұрын

@@MistaFiOth No

@tnyeh

Жыл бұрын

it’s starts getting a addictive flow to it once you start getting better at it..

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

It sure does! Drop into one of my streams, let's strategize together with the peeps!

What if Unleash Hell was tied to Threat Level instead of Stress?

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

That'd be much better, making the Gunner an even stronger asset the longer the deployment lasted.

@hamishblair7504

Жыл бұрын

In the meantime, the Trait ‘Rebel’ (unit unaffected by Reprimand) makes their last class perk usable. Side note: it would be nice if they had a ‘Second Wave’ difficulty settings page like X-COM, where you can choose the doomsday clock difficulty & the ability to have all common perks available on screen when levelling up your marines. Like, let me choose how they train please Tindalos…

@cablesalad3168

Жыл бұрын

That would have been amazing.

Emotional Damage

@MistaFiOth

3 ай бұрын

True...

I feel like I keep looking at the medic and comparing them to the specialist from xcom2 The specialist is the medic, but they can do a lot more like hacking The medic only heals, it really feels like they needed some sort of offensive ability or buffs that they can pass out to the squad

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Yup. A more hybrid approach would have benefited the Class.

Haven't tested the M56 ACT for the Gunner. It just seemed so bad putting the smartgun on stilts and leaving my best shooter with a toy gun. I'd rather have the Demolitionist's shoulder rockets from Fireteam Elite than the M56 ACT and the Fireteam Elite Gunner's overclock as the Lvl 10 skill. Now THAT would have been something...or probably not, since this game is basically Metal Gear Solid with Aliens anyway. The unarguably most usefull skill in this game would be a portable Alien Isolation closet 😀

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Getting some cardboard box vibes here! :P

@jamesdbrown5703

11 ай бұрын

Just carry around a giant cardboard box 😂😂

@arhael3594

6 ай бұрын

It's for hard defense. Tripod has 100% accuracy, so more damage and ammo efficiency. And on top of that you get additional damage from SMG.

Stress can be completely avoided with a level 6 sergeant. 2 reprimands for every detected and you can go forever before you hit 100%

@MistaFiOth

10 ай бұрын

We are talking a niche approach here. I wouldn't want to roll with two Sergeants, personally.

@PhillipJermakian

10 ай бұрын

@Mista_FiOth OH I mean 1sarge doing back to back reprimands to make sure the whole detected phase is covered. You can clear missions with 0 rest and not break 100% stress if you are doing it right. And the ability to freely engage and not worry about stress feels like freedom=]

@MistaFiOth

10 ай бұрын

To each their own, my man.

@PhillipJermakian

10 ай бұрын

@@MistaFiOth yep. Love your videos and replies, subbed.

@MistaFiOth

10 ай бұрын

@PhillipJermakian thank you my man! I appreciate it!

Sergeant is the best class. Reprimand is the most broken ability in the game, and if used properly with Command Points it essentially cancels out the Stress factor entirely.

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

There's no be-all end-all in games like this, mate.

Yup, can't beat recon. Still no xbox update fyi. I hope the move is finishing up nicely.

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

STILL NO UPDATE?! HTH are they doing?

@badrabbit9703

Жыл бұрын

@@MistaFiOth probably won't see it until next Monday. Possibly later.

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

They are taking their sweet time.

And honestly, the medic does disappoint i think from simply not having the same deep pockets perk like xcom. I love how different this game plays, BUT in xcom, medic with deep pockets - 1 medkit equals 3 is ALWAYS my game changing major upgrade. So yeah. The medic serves a purpose, but it doesnt feel as fulfilling.

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Needs some extra "oomph!".

The drone is just to hard to control, my opinion on xbox

@MistaFiOth

Ай бұрын

It's kinda the same on PC. A lot of in-between clicks required. Not very intuitive.

Never skip a class. They're all useful. The only two that are interchangeable early on are recon and gunner. One is for stealth, one is for fighting. So if you can plan to do one or the other instead of both, that's how you can slice this cake. Medic is great because he can reduce stress for heals, provide health for rests and extra health in general but pick up comatose squaddies. Gunner is the least versatile is pure combat focus.

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

None is useless, exactly. Some are more valuable than others though.

Best 4 man squad?

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Leave the Medic back, that's for sure.

@MrSmexyPain

Жыл бұрын

Yeah what he said. 1 of each (no medic) until 5 man then 2 gunners +1 of each (no medic)

Medic need a buff. It's useless.

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Not "useless", but kinda weak, for sure.

I got through the city streets of Pharos Spire with two Sgt and three Recons. Keeping up the Command charges. On a third play through my Teckers will not have drones. Late game they just become a kid's helium balloon that gets popped. Since the patch, I am rethinking Mind of Steel. With enough bench warmers, I can place Trauma into the psych room. Second tier weapons have infinite ammo. (hand guns and sub-mach). I am also going to test Recon sniper without silencer - since I want to know what the difference is. The battle scanner cost a Tool per use. It might be helpful to locate key locations which are guarded, but with an eventual memory for the maps - I feel it will be redundant.

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Which settings have you tested, my brother?

@easyesky6646

Жыл бұрын

@@MistaFiOth I have only just started my third play through. I want to try different selections within classes, and if possible choose the triple star attributes for extra accentuation. Although I agree that Pouches is practically a must have - what if instead I picked combat orientated for a gunner - for instance. It is early days. I noted that if you get Unbreakable Will (anti-tired) that marine can be immediately pulled from Intense Training and not suffer through the Exhausted phase. I have two major combats to get through in my current map. The last being a Queen battle. (I want to break free...) As an interesting goal, I will use all rookies just to see how much XP is gained. I learned through my last play I get a better feel for managing Materials expenses. And from first my playthrough I had excessive Materials left over at the end of the game. So, I am going to try and skip selecting Looter. I am playing on Easy, so a higher income maybe a must for advanced game difficulty. So I want to look at attributes that will work for the entire game length, than just early to mid. And a funny thing happened. I had 43 Materials, and a Daily of 50 cost for the med-bay to stay operational. The game accepted the 43, set the value to zero. I assume that this is a bug that should patched. Also, I feel that the XP from a Onslaught isn't really that much in return. As a test, I intentionally set these off and the XP was rather low value. In early maps, I place a series of Mobile Scanners around the ARC M540. As a way to draw out xenos, clear passages or just reduce their presence to make goal acquisition easier. I will let you know if I learn anything particularly useful.

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Solid info Esky! Thank you! o7

@easyesky6646

Жыл бұрын

@@MistaFiOth Tested Recon without Silencer perk. It is a total must. Without it, the only thing that Sniper gives is a headshot kill and at long range. Without Silencer, the Sniper rifle's loud retort does alert nearby enemies to the squad's location.

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Yup. You get one and alert five!

Seargant, gunner, recon, smart*ss and you are set. Medics with their reduce stress on healing, faster healing and additional hp stuff are nice... but you can easily life without. Tecker is simply put redundant cause of smart*ass, the drone isn´t worth much either. Sergeant´s ability to freeze stress and increase command point gain is nice to have, add 2 gunner 2 recon and that´s it. Smart*ss on one and that´s it. But then again i can see how other setups would work if one has a different playstyle. Also you aren´t always in the position to chose your preferred marines, if they are in the medbay or trauma treatment, exhausted etc. Which is kinda nice as this forces you to go our of your comfort zone. In general i like the level system in it´s idea but the random skills are a bit of a downer and that weapons are restricted to levels is sort of maeh too. A level 1 soldier is already at a disadvantage for being a level one, why you need to further restrict his usefulness by forcing him to use low level weapons is weird. A really great game, specially considered the pricetag. A gem in nowdays times. Has surely it´s weaknesses but in general great experience. (spoiler : The ending "mission" could have as well just been a cutscene, like really it was anticlimactic). One thing i hope they do with a possible second game, multiple deploys, larger squads. And that the game on higher difficulty spawns more aliens instead of making them just more tanky.

@MistaFiOth

11 ай бұрын

Very good thoughts, love the positivity too! I think we are due for some DLC. Let's just make sure all the bugs are fixed first.

@snakeplissken1754

11 ай бұрын

@@MistaFiOth It´s easy to be positive about the game, even so it´s not perfect (but what game really is), you get an amazing experience for 40 euros. Compare that with your tripple a titles of today where you start at 70 bucks for the base game, can easily go up to 100+ and the experience is usually worse. Not sure about dlc for this game, it´s rather "complete" as is, a dlc would be either stand alone or would have to have them rework the entire campaign to fit in. I sure would be on board with whatever additional content, preferably one that extends the campaign. Or like a "back on lethe" after the nuclear purge to see what is still "alive" and realize the purge didn´t achieve much. I would also be fine with them doing another game like this, and improve on some things to make it even better. Would purchase either dlc or second game of them without a 2nd thought.

@MistaFiOth

11 ай бұрын

A sequel would take years to come out, though.

I think recon is too slow, too weak and usually AI attacks it first every time

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Gotta disagree here, mate.

I know your Greek, but any plans for Ayy Lmao fireworks on July 4th? 👽👾🛸🪖

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

Hmmm... maybe on stream?! ;)

@jonathanz.9675

Жыл бұрын

Lol

@NodDisciple1

Жыл бұрын

@@MistaFiOth Exactly. Ty.

@magnusred2945

Жыл бұрын

​@@MistaFiOthdude you gotta move to America

@MistaFiOth

Жыл бұрын

You reckon, my man?