Where did you get this? I made this recording!!!! Rooftops, on Seneca St. July 26, 1983. It is a mono cassette of the FOH mix. I was the monitor engineer and system tech. Marillion's house guy started the show with nothing in the house mix but Fish's vocal mic. In the first minute of He Knows You Know you can hear him turning on all of the other inputs. The band started the set and he wasn't at the board, but the lead vocal mic was on for announcements. Not sure who I ever gave copies of this to, but somehow here it is. I have the original cassette. This show was unforgettable. The opener was a Genesis cover band, and their keyboard player was also called Fish. For some reason back then everyone accused Marillion of sounding like Genesis.

@RTF666

7 жыл бұрын

Downloaded this show on a torrent site a few years ago. Wasn't sure how much it was circulated over the years but thank you for this recording.

@shaunmullins6701

7 жыл бұрын

RTF666 Wow, I guess I did make copies for a handful of friends, maybe two or three....wondering now who would have shared it on torrent. Oh well, glad it's being enjoyed by so many. My ex wife took a bunch of pictures that night (film, of course). No idea what became of them.

@ultramimo

4 жыл бұрын

Amazing, Thank you so much for providing background on this recording.

@Knasterman

3 жыл бұрын

make a cd .... put it on Deezer, Spotify or whatever ... Me likes

@swellow3357

Жыл бұрын

@@shaunmullins6701 so if you make this or ohter rare shows pls share whit us, try to post it on youtube

The Assassing version is killer here !!! Very raw and a long way from the album version !

i was at this and until now had no idea i had seen andy ward on drums...thought somehow it was jonathon mover...no internet then to stay up on facts,then...wow...

Loving this it's like discovering Marillion for the first time (in a way)

I was 2nd row floor for this show. Thanks for posting.

Wow- this is a very good recording for a cassette from 1983. The skyroom was a great place to see bands. It has been recently renovated, and is currently called "Shea's Seneca". Thanks for sharing this!

Thanks for posting - I was there!

Historic event.

la esencia verdadera de fish y marillion.

In answer to the question of Mick Pointer's departure from the band, it was sometime between April / May of 1983 after EMI had concerns over his technical ability hampering the band, the drummer on this recording is Andy Ward, who left soon after over "substance misuse " issues. Jonathan Mover replaced Andy then left as he couldn't cope with the workload of studio time and gigging, Ian Mosley "took the stool" roughly a year after Mick Pointer's departure. Fish referred this situation as Marillion's "Spinal Tap" moment in the Mick Wall biography of the band. I'm glad that the older bootlegs are coming to light, it's like discovering old photos of childhood one thought had been lost ( or should that be misplaced? )

@RonaldLindeboom

7 жыл бұрын

The one and same Andy Ward who had drummed for Camel?

@dannykeen4047

7 жыл бұрын

exactly

@antoniocolombino6039

4 жыл бұрын

Why Ward was fired from Marillion? Alcool problems?

@tommeloman6969

3 жыл бұрын

He was wasn’t kicked out , he left on his own terms.

@marguskiis7711

4 ай бұрын

Ward drumming is sublime here.

Misplaced childhood, the illness of Mankind. Hi Andy.

Greate perform

So genial!😻

Andy Ward drumming makes difference.

I probably wouldn't have listened to this tonight but thanks so much again for posting up the band members on this recording. Andy Ward is a very good drummer, he was just another casualty filling in after the drugs took their first drummer out, he is one of the few I have heard that was better early and got worse when their first album came out on EMI. Fish has stated after they parted with Mickey that he didn't really care for any of the percussionist before Moseley joined them. My take is it's not cause they sucked but no one fit the band like Ian Mosely. I love these rare concerts early on. It also sounds like Mark was playing a rental on the beginning of "Script" but that's what I love about these early recordings.. It's all raw talent and it's all awesome! BONUS! THANK YOU!!!

@jan-jaapdehaan5596

10 жыл бұрын

Please correct your rant: Andy Ward was the drummer with drug-problems, NOT their first drummer, Mick Pointer. This is just a false accusation.

@FireMunki63

8 жыл бұрын

+Jan-Jaap de Haan Andy Ward was not the drummer with drug problems at all. I know the true story including Fish kicking the drum kit and sending poor Andy Ward off the drum riser and stage and causing him a serious and painful back injury. Fish at this point was so full of ego it was ridiculous, in the band tour bus all he kept playing was yes and when Andy gave him a tape to play whilst in North America he let it play for a few seconds before winding down the window and chucking it out on the freeway. Andy helped them out and was thrown in at the deep end and then under the bus. Andy actually was suffering from Manic Depression which after so many years of mismanagement as having gone undiagnosed led to his retirement from drumming. Everyone presumed it was a drink and drug problem but it was no more so than any of the other musicians. Obviously at this stage it didn't help that Andy had to effectively change his drumming style due to having cut his hands up in a cry for help that just did not come from the Camel camp at all. It always helps when you are sitting in the same car as Andy driving him around and being told everything from the horses mouth warts and all. Trviewer got it mostly right in that Andy as older just did not fit in the band and was treated poorly after the initial wow its Camels former drummer attitude wore off. He was not a good fit for what they were after. Andy needed work, they needed a drummer. It was never a meeting of minds or spirit. Andy was playing most of this tour in incredible pain but played regardless as ever the true professional.

@stevenrothery806

8 жыл бұрын

I've never read such a complete load of bollocks! Careful of the stories you create in case someone who was actually there reads them!

@jan-jaapdehaan5596

8 жыл бұрын

You are right Steve, apologies. I wanted to defend Mick (who I consider a friend). Although Wikipedia confirms Andy's health troubles, I shouldn't have mentioned him... PS: looking forward to FEAR.

@trviewer

8 жыл бұрын

+Jan-Jaap de Haan My apologies to Mick if I have discredited him or anyone else who is close to him in any untrue fashion, especially with regards to drugs having anything to do with his departure. I went & researched the book I have that is hopefully reliable and the only documented statements on his departure were that his skills were not considered to be what the band or record company was looking for at the time, also mentioned by someone else on these comments. Please dismiss any other untrue mentions I made to any other of the band members as hear say as well. Let's just say I will be more careful as to how I preface my comments in the future, and the sources they originate from. I really enjoyed Mick's earlier work with the band and was amazed at how incredible the band sounded especially in its earlier roots. Thanks again to RTF whoever you are for all of the rare Marillion videos and audio posts on "KZread". I've enjoyed all of the line band ups to this day.

Marillion csmre desde Perú

I actually liked Mick Pointer's drum playing. Ian is certainly very good, but I liked the sound of Mick more. It was sharper. It was probably "simpler", but complexity is not always better. To my ears "Script" was brilliantly mixed, much better than everything that came after.

Does anyone have a recording of the band playing outside gig in Buffalo..Rally in the Alley. Like in 1984-85ish??

@TheIMASHEEP

6 жыл бұрын

i was at that show...a... 97 rock fm...sponsored show....maybe they recorded it.....who knows

Kinda puts the lie to Andy not being capable of playing with Camel, there was so much more to him not being in Camel than the version officially forwarded. Such a shame. Of course he cannot play anymore due to his Manic Depression however if carefully planned he could easily record on CD and guest as a one off for a video or something. I think Andy's treatment by Camel has been quite shocking really.

Andy Ward was of course easily able to fill the drum stool but apparently he was a bit to fond of the demon drink......

Just checked on Wikipedia (which of course is always accurate !) And they had 5 drummers inc Mick between 82 and 84 when Ian Mosely finally joined. Not sure of the exact date Mick left but this might well not be him. He's crap whoever he is.

@RTF666

10 жыл бұрын

Read the info I wrote about this particular clip... it's Andy Ward on drums! (and verified on the main source of all things Fish-era related... www.morain.de/Marillion/01Main.php )

@maxhult830

3 жыл бұрын

If you think Andy Ward is crap, YOU need to have your head examined!

@leethomas255

2 жыл бұрын

@@RTF666 Thanks for the link to the Fish 🐠 era website, it's fantastic. I could spend hours reading it. So much love for Fish and 1980 - '88 period Marillion. Do you have any gigs by Simarillion, or did they not play live under that name? Thanks