TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Intro (03:25) How much has Marc changed vs the world changed? (06:55) How much do ideas matter? Who drives society - the elite or the masses? (09:56) People respond to interests more than ideas (12:08) Mental models for the left and the right (14:45) Sponsors (Secureframe | Mercury | MarketerHire) (16:53) The road to hell is paved with good intentions (18:40) Master morality and slave morality (23:20) Unpacking Elon’s quote “Wokeness is the mind-virus” (26:00) Is classical liberalism sustainable and how it leads to wokeness (35:00) James Burnham’s worldview (42:50) How the left captured the institutions (45:20) Elon as the return to entrepreneurial capitalism (48:03) The experiments Elon is running (54:50) The billionaire mindset toward politics (57:30) We live in an oligarchy, not a democracy (1:06:00) Larry Page is the contrarian billionaire (1:07:30) Effective Altruism’s blind spots (1:10:36) Effective altruists think they can play god (1:11:16) SBF’s roll-the-dice philosophy (1:13:23) Aristocratic vs Meritocratic elite (1:21:48) Elites are insulated from the consequences of their policies (1:23:53) Why global governance is a nerd trap (1:27:16) Global governance is anti-diversity (1:30:42) Tech people are politically homeless (1:31:37) Elites can’t be removed, they can only be replaced (1:35:02) Advice for counter-elites (1:47:21) Reasons to be optimistic

@benoitlapierre1315

11 ай бұрын

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@mefisto05s.20

2 ай бұрын

Thanks!

hands down one of the most interesting podcasts i've ever listened to

@mefisto05s.20

2 ай бұрын

Indeed

Congratulations on your first episode and thank you for this conversation. Looking forward to E2!

The new pod looks great, Erik! Thanks for creating and sharing this sort of work while simultaneously working on MOZ and more.

expansive! thank you. thoroughly impressed by the upcoming guest list as well. getting to listen to Marc's sharp thoughtfulness is educational and entertaining.

Great first episode. Thanks for creating and sharing!!

Erik absolutely killing it lately w/ content! :)

Thank You for this upload. Marc is amazing

Fantastic starting episode. Congratulations. 🎉

Strong start

Awesome interview. Please continue!

Remember, Marc was very instrumental in bringing about the current state of affairs; and he's just now trying to figure things out.

Excited for this series!

One of the first 1000 subscribers. I feel pretty good about that.

Hi Erik! If you enable the download option it will be useful for many if us. We can listen while the internet is unstable. Thanks in advance ❤

Love it. Would be cool to see Venkatesh Rao as a guest.

Awesome conversation!

good discussion. andreessen is a very interesting thinker.

Protect Marc at all costs. Cathedral gonna seethe after this one

@tuckerbugeater

Жыл бұрын

he'll be more than fine

Erik, I really enjoyed Execs. Will you be continuing with that podcast?

Off to a great start!

Thank you!!

Wow! Way to launch podcast ))

He talks about SBF when was this recorded?

Starting strong!

Thank you Erik! Great conversation to listen to while shipping.

This episode was fire

Your tenor began to mirror Marc's cadence the longer the interview went on. Was interesting to witness. In the beginning, you were distinct and deliberate and much slower in your wording, but the longer the interview went on the more exactly like Marc you began to speak like. Almost identically.

this is amazing

Hey Erik, can you add Marc’s book recommendations in the notes. He mentions a few. 🙏🏻

@pieter5466

Жыл бұрын

Author recommended: James Burnham, video link: kzread.info/dash/bejne/X4p2zJOgqtusm8o.html

@InkaHacker

Жыл бұрын

I need the name of the book related to patriotism

@pieter5466

Жыл бұрын

@@InkaHacker look at the transcript, and look for any words you can remember around that topic

@UpstreamwithErikTorenberg

Жыл бұрын

twitter.com/Upstream__Pod/status/1640866426029318144?s=20 We did a whole tweet thread on the books, topics, and people Marc mentioned. Follow @Upstream__Pod on Twitter to get the list every episode plus clips and more content!

Love how much Thomas Sowell comes up in these

I would love to have lunch with Marc he’s way of thinking is as profound as is logic , only person ever to talk faster than me

Finishing with high praise for Thomas Sowell. Made my day.

спасибо за этот контент!

cool pod

Interesting observation at about 46:10: Venture capitalism is, in effect, the return of bourgeois capitalism into managerial capitalism.

Take a shot every time he says "you know"

the last 5 or so timestamps are off by a lot

It’s pretty cool when a properly smart dude like Marc comes around to your way of thinking, or having realisations about politics in a similar way. He’s also humble enough to not assume he knows anything and build from ground up.

30:24 I pine for Led Zeppelin, Yes, and Rush.

Why do you have so few ads? You need like more 10-20 ads

Take a shot every time he says “you know”.

marc just gave a water-ed down yarvin's unqualified reservations

I know

This should be a required course in every high school in America.

This interview should be played at x0.85 - x0.9 speed in order to better assimilate. Marc at actual speed always feels like 2 words per word 😅

@VernonGoddard

10 ай бұрын

It is super quick….I’d like them to slow down, consider the difficulty of their subject matter and the level of ability of their audience….

Can VCs have intellectual journey?

wish this was an infinite podcast

E363: The Jonathan Kogan Show ❤

Weird thesis that it has to be one way or the other. Societies seem to work best when we find a balance between rules and structure vs discretion to care about people. Disappointing that someone so smart could think so narrowly.

lol Andreessen has the habit of saying adding 'you know' in almost every sentence

Inconvenient to note that private equity is "evolving" into the very conglomerates that launched the industry.

@AnandSinghVentures

Жыл бұрын

that's so true. PE is evolving into oligarchy

I see everyone here thanking me for this interview....You are welcome. Marc's pretty rad. :-p Now go build a company to topple our current oligarchy that thinks they know better how to live YOUR life than you do.

great episode just one thing: could you center yourself on camera? 😅

@ETberg213

Жыл бұрын

I'm emotionally centered

These are the topics that academics chat about in the lunch room.

don't agree on all counts but thought marc had some insightful and thoughtful discussion. interviewer on the other hand - frankly would've liked less of haha. some of the questions are incredibly loaded and the bias glaringly blatant. I don't expect a change in opinion per se, but respectfully, I think a more critical introspection of beliefs may help in making the interviewing less jarring. I physically winced on more than one occasion, a reaction not even my strongest disagreements with marc elicited lol. There are ways you can discuss such topics without making these weird implicit assertions within the question haha

CA has the best economy with the best social guardrails, resulting in the longest life expectancies of the states except for Hawaii.

you know

Author recommended: James Burnham, video link: kzread.info/dash/bejne/X4p2zJOgqtusm8o.html

“You know”

"you know"

I love this..! Let me suggest the grounding fathers of the new elite: Niall Ferguson, Elon Musk, Marc Andreessen, Peter Thiel, Douglas Murray, Lionel Shriver, Nic Carter, Konstatin Kissin.. and others in that caliber.. IQ 140+, an understanding of history, real achievements, and a positive attitude is a requirement. I think it is happening as we speak, I don't know anyone who like the current Davos elite..

@RadicalNuance

Жыл бұрын

There should be an Internet Book - an evolving yearly encyclopaedia with all those thinkers so the TV generation can get a glimpse into how much bandwidth they miss out on… add Peterson, the Weinsteins, Shapiro, Hirshi Ali, The MFM crew etc

@KakeThe

Жыл бұрын

Nic carter😂😂

@travisratnam2095

Жыл бұрын

Someone who builds cars knows more about cars than someone who rides or drives cars, hence the thinker-doer criteria from Steve jobs IMO is very useful to filter for “good people to listen to.”

@mcapello8836

Жыл бұрын

At least the Davos elite believe in climate change. If Marc's main point is: (paraphrasing) "It's not a question of being governed by elites, but a question of choosing which group of elites is better at building a workable future", choosing the elites that are ideologically incapable of recognizing the largest systemic threat to the species should be automatically disqualifying. If our elites can't deal with this problem, then how they deal with the other problems is irrelevant.

@cannibalholocaust3015

Жыл бұрын

Konstantin Kisin is a opportunistic grifter. Niall Ferguson is as establishment as you can possibly get. ALL of the aforementioned are far more concerned about actual Right Wing politics making a comeback more than the looney left currently in power. In sum, their highest aspirations involve defending post war truth regime. Right wing politics were essentially outlawed in 1945, can that last?

40:54 "The answer of who runs General Motors is clearly the managers, not the owners". No. Customers run General Motors.

you know...

5 x "you know" per minute

Eggman!

12 is boba but 13 is kiki

Quality shit. As an aside, if I got a dollar for every time he said “you know”, I’d have more money than him ;)

Marc’s problem is he speaks too fast with too much useless info which makes the density of information low, almost like he has to speak a lot to buy him time to think, which prevents him from being a top level thinker. Take a pause, think thoroughly, organize the thoughts, hit the point directly. No need to fill the blank, especially with such infamous status

if only nietzsche was required reading, we'd be in much better shape.

@mefisto05s.20

2 ай бұрын

Overrated

Hmm, I’m confused. The Judeo Christian paradigm puts God in the master position. It’s not entirely based on a slave or master paradigm, it pulls from both, and certainly makes man accountable to things more virtuous than himself. I don’t see how the slave paradigm leads directly to Communism either. I wanted to give this talk a fair shake, but really big concepts are jumbled from the beginning.

@infostack

Жыл бұрын

I'm thinking worse than that; because it comes across as so profound and fools so many. Rather watch Cunk on Earth for a better understanding of how things unfolded. Maybe Marc should go back to school and learn from Timothy Snyder.

@mefisto05s.20

2 ай бұрын

Or you didn't understand it. JC puts God in pseudo master position. God is just a proxy, an idea through with Pope (master) rules using his underlings to control believers (slaves)

And yet he couldn't explain crypto in layman terms 😂 but now ai is obviously the next big thing

Marc is a smart guy, however he completely glosses over that "managers" are owners too (in the modern corporation a significant portion of their compensation and virtually all their upside sits in their stock options). His take on innovation is also deeply flawed... The overlap between innovation and management doesn't need to be small - and in many well run organizations, is quite high.

@mgetommy

Жыл бұрын

Which large (manager run) organization is innovating?

@mefisto05s.20

2 ай бұрын

​@@mgetommythere are but very rare. A factor is risk averse nature

So he invests in Wework 2....

I love rich people telling me how they and their friend are oppressing me 😂

11:15 That's what Xi said.

They can be replaced by a non-human entity

annotations

@Stratton218

4 ай бұрын

4:03

@Stratton218

4 ай бұрын

5:05

@Stratton218

4 ай бұрын

17:19

@Stratton218

4 ай бұрын

1:27:33

Easy, "just" create The Federation from Star Trek, problem solved.

Marc has a cruel and ruthless ideology.

This guy a literal egg head 😲

I don't think this guy explains how Christianity equates in any way to modern leftism.

host of this pod is hard to listen to

An elite venture capitalist telling me the future can only depend on elite venture capitalists "because communism", among other ideas as fresh as 1919.

@mgetommy

Жыл бұрын

Curious how you see the future progressing. He's definitely talking his own book

@mcapello8836

Жыл бұрын

@@mgetommy "Progressing" is definitely not the word I would use to describe how I see the future unfolding -- to put it mildly. :)

@mgetommy

Жыл бұрын

@@mcapello8836 what do you think the future should depend on. not trying to dunk, just genuinely curious

@mcapello8836

Жыл бұрын

@@mgetommy I don't think it matters. All these discussions about capitalism, effective altruism, the role of current elites, etc., are irrelevant because all the major decisions have already been made and now it's just a process of watching the rest of the game play out. We had two potentially good options to deal with industrialization -- capitalism and socialism -- and they both failed. There's no time to fix or reinvent either one and no time to invent an alternative. All of the thinkers on the scene today, including Marc, are a generation (or two) too late, and most of the players responsible for the current impasse are already dead. Our civilization is like a person with ALS -- the mind is still spinning but the body is paralyzed.

@IntergalacticFool

11 ай бұрын

@@mcapello8836what major decisions are you referring to?

We tried creating a new elite and failed. Look at jail time for forbes 30 under 30.

Marx combined gnosticism and hermeticism intoa. dangerous fusion that results in a lot of the terrible things we see today in school.

Smart but super creepy dude.

Why do you have this crypto grifter on your podcase lol

You know, ya know, you know, you know… cringe

Your introductions are so cringe

The darth Vader

Egglord goes full monologue