Kings of War is the game I wish fantasy had been and the Goblins are stunning I love the fact that they have other armies gear.

I've upgraded to mantic Firefight ...have 1500pts of Asterians for a fraction of a GW army

The Warpath? sized boxes remind me of the GW Combat Patrol sized forces. So, $45 on Mantic vs. $160 for GW.

@dadashlorgar

18 күн бұрын

yeah but the mini design is bad af...like really bs level. it is not compareable - so it is cheaper.

@AnnihilatedHope

18 күн бұрын

@@dadashlorgar that is actually not true anymore. Just resently painted some enforcers and have some GCPS here. While its true that its not GW standard , they are very solid models. just without much details. Dont know from when your info is but it is unfair to say they are bs level.

@colinmack8655

18 күн бұрын

@@dadashlorgarwhat minis most of the new stuff is excellent. Times move on and they do not billion parts like gws kits that just annoy me.

@tyrs8657

17 күн бұрын

​@dadashlorgar that is true for their older stuff. The newer models have come a long ways, still not up to GW quality though. The Mantic Vault is also awesome for printing out the minis/extras which come out pretty nice.

@salperez50

5 күн бұрын

Not true anymore, there just as good and with less detail creep so you don't have to pend an hour on one mini.

If looking at kings of war and not wanting to buy one of the 2 player starter sets, the ambush sets are great value, with a small chunk of models as well as the rules to play them. Most of the ambush sets also have the newer mantic plastics in as well.

Been looking at maybe picking up the Marauders Enforcers firefight box, thanks for the video!

Armada is great, and you can get all the models as STLs from Mantic Vault.

@ratatatuff

12 күн бұрын

And that makes me really think of getting a 3D-printer. I think the Vault is a great idea. It's just that I'm unsure because from what I gather a resin printer is not the most healthy piece of equipment to have in your flat.

@Gumlass1

12 күн бұрын

@@ratatatuff no. It's not. With room for cleaning and curing, it's a lot of space too. But I have a shed, so it's not an issue for me.

The Mantic rules are way better than GW stuff. Very streamlined.

@hughsammy4278

18 күн бұрын

For me the rules is the #1 reason to play Mantic games. Firefight vs 40K isn't even a contest in my opinion.

@XX-jn8co

18 күн бұрын

I was about to post similar, for me the real draw of Mantic vs GW is that their actual games are simply better. Both Kings of War and Firefight are simply excellent games, Firefight in particular is great. It's engaging, both players are constantly involved in the game, it has a broad range of tactical options and it simulates real small-scale combat scenarios like pinning and flanking very well. It also has simple but well developed urban combat support, with storming buildings or fast-roping a team onto the roof to work down through the building being valid options. It manages all of this while still being far simpler than 40K.

@GettingHandsy

18 күн бұрын

I've always heard Mantic's rules are easier to understand and as you said, more streamlined. I've just never had a chance to actually play them...I'm more of just a miniatures collector at this point :)

@AnnihilatedHope

18 күн бұрын

@@GettingHandsy the rules are really quick to learn. specially if you know 40k already. Only the hight system was a bit abstract for me at start but after a few rounds you get comfortable with it

Ronnie Renton is the owner and CEO he was once a GW executive back in the day.

@GettingHandsy

18 күн бұрын

I've always liked Ronnie. I just didn't know if he still ran everything.

@ERBarratt

14 күн бұрын

​@@GettingHandsyHe certainly does (he's my boss). I can say too, as an employee, best company to work for and actual, genuine hobby loving people!

@GettingHandsy

14 күн бұрын

@@ERBarratt Awesome!

I actually have a Mantic Games bag that they gave out exclusively that first year (months?) they were operating as an early adopter bonus. I bought a whole ton of those early dwarves and I still have a load of them unmade as I stopped playing fantasy shortly afterwards when I moved and had no one to play it with any longer.

Ah man, you missed Dungeon Saga, which is like their version of Warhammer Quest! Neat little board game with minis that can be used for RPGs. I think they’re releasing a new edition, definitely got my eye on it. Their newer minis are definitely better. Not as cluttered with “detail” as GW minis, but that makes them easier to assemble and paint and actually get on the table, and you don’t need fifty pouches and random stuff covering every model.

@GettingHandsy

18 күн бұрын

Ya, I kickstarted the original Dungeon Saga, but forgot to mention them in the video specifically. Thanks for the reminder!

@kudosbudo

16 күн бұрын

My kid loves that game but boy is it boring to Gm for him and co.

Would definitely recommend Warmachine MKIV as an alternative as well! :)

@GettingHandsy

18 күн бұрын

I played WarmaHordes during....i think it was 2nd edition. I have always liked the minis, but the gameplay just wasn't for me, and mostly for just one reason...when someone can one-shot your leader and that ends the game. That super competitive gameplay was just too much for me at the time. I have no idea if it has changed in 2 editions though, so might have to look into it again. Thanks for the recommendation!

@FangYuLee

15 күн бұрын

From what I've heard about older editions, definitely more balanced and less gimmick. Assassination is still real, gives you a chance to come back when losing.

For an alternative game you should look at Conquest. Their quality is very close to GW and the gameplay is super fast and interesting.

@GettingHandsy

11 күн бұрын

Conquest is on my list as well! Got one of their 2 player starter sets awhile back; just haven't had a chance to play it yet. Thanks for the recommendation!

I just wish they wouldn't have abandoned Vanguard. I'm in the process of collecting all the warbands (yes, I'm a crazy person) but have to stick to alternative models for some. I love the Trident Realm of Neritica, though.I hope they do a streamlined version of Vanguard at some point. I like that they embraced 3D-printing and I'm really thinking of getting a resin printer for all the Armada stuff in their Vault.

I'm just not sure how good Mantic's quality control is. The first box I purchased was the mega army of the Trident Realm of Neritica and the Depth Horror Eternal model was missing his head. After contacting Mantic they want proof of purchase before they will send me a head. I have it but it just seems a little silly, as if I'm trying to cheat them out of just a head of a $12 model. I had been buying GW stuff since 1987 and say what we will about them I have never had a single piece missing from any blister pack or box set in 37 years. That being said Mantic does make some nice looking models I just hope quality control isn't an issue going forward.

@GettingHandsy

18 күн бұрын

That's unfortunate! I haven't had any issues with the kickstarters and stuff I've bought from them, but that's just my experience. I've heard their models in general have gotten better over time, so I would hope that would means their service as well.

@colinmack8655

18 күн бұрын

Odd I had one mis pack and they asked for a picture and they sent me a whole new model. Gw demanded I send items back once and when I did recorded delivery they stated they only got one item (both where in the box) I got it sorted but they are not the kings of customer service. Also forgeworld asked for a receipt on an mis pack too.

@CTX-lk8hf

18 күн бұрын

@@colinmack8655 Yeah kings of customer service is not the first thing that comes to mind with GW. I’ve just been fortunate enough to not have been missing anything in packages I have bought from them through the years.

I used to love playing Firefight but with the player base in the UK being so small I was lucky if I could find a game once a month 😕

@GettingHandsy

17 күн бұрын

🙁

I was hoping to see a demonstrated play thru comparison. not simply a product infomercial.

@GettingHandsy

18 күн бұрын

In the current climate, I've just seen people looking for alternatives to GW. I was just showing one of the companies that offers some options. Thanks for watching and commenting!

@bruced648

18 күн бұрын

@GettingHandsy maybe a short run thru of the game turn as a suggestion for a follow-up vid. have options is great, but I think people would like to know what's different. thanks for your efforts.

If you were to play Kings of War at full model count, KoW can be far more expensive than The Old World. KoW armies are HUGE. Luckily you can multibase your units and use a lot less

@icdice_VT

8 күн бұрын

They abandoned the FMC, some of the newer boxes don't even adhere to it anymore, especially the resin only boxes because resins are expensive af to cast in decent quality

I can't get away with the waxy pvc-like material Mantic use, and the yawning gaps on their multipart models. Bought a pre-owned starter army dirt-cheap from eBay and I had to grind joylessly through the assembly and painting. Love their company ethos, but I don't think the quality is really there.

@GettingHandsy

3 күн бұрын

Depending on when you bought those, supposedly, Mantic has gotten better over time. That being said....3D printing is an option too 😁

Been looking in to Deadzone and Firefight as an alternative. GW rules are too complicated for their own good. Some models might look average but there isn't a rule you can't use for example GW models or 3D printed ones. I'm collecting Leagues of Votann from GW because I like the look. I'm planning to use them as proxies for Forge Fathers. I just need to change the bases to sizes meant for Firefight/Deadzone. The Mantic army that I wanna collect are the Veer-Myn. I might even use them in some skirmish games from GW. Kings of War looks interresting but the multibasing is a nono for me. I would use multiple small bases and use movement trays. Helps if I need to repaint a model of want to change the places of models. I know it's an extra investment but I will gladly pay. Their Mantic companion is cool and their extra 3D printed options give more dynamic poses to their models. For me the price and the rules are a big plus. I never intend to go for super detailed models or well painted models. I'm just a beginner painter and just want to play some games.

@GettingHandsy

14 күн бұрын

My understanding of Mantic games has always been: while they always sold minis, they didn't necessarily limit you to playing with them. You were free to use whatever minis you wanted. But I haven't looked recently to see if they stepped away from that. Regular bases with movement trays would be the way I go. Gives you the most options later on.

Are the Marauders a good cheap alternative to 40k Orks

@GettingHandsy

19 күн бұрын

The Marauders don't have as many options, so you might have to get some extra stuff from someplace else (mix and match from different companies or 3d print), but they are pretty cheap compared to the 40k orks, at a glance. The main troops for the marauders are the commandos, and they are 10 for $25 vs the Ork Boys, who are $55 for the same amount. The Marauder Strike Forces is 30 infantry, 4 bigger elite looking guys, a boss and a jet for $100, vs the Orks Combat Patrol which is 20 infantry, a boss and 4 cavalry for $160. More models for less money, as long as you are okay with the different look. And you get reward points when you spend at Mantic, which gives you credit for the next thing you buy (within a time limit). Seems like a pretty good deal to me (if you dont have access to a 3d printer).

@ChaseDaOrk3767

19 күн бұрын

@@GettingHandsy Kinda wish I had a 3d printer, might have to save up some money to possibly buy one someday

@GettingHandsy

19 күн бұрын

3d printers have come down a lot in price, and there are tons of ork models out there, so if you can save up enough for a couple GW boxes, you should easily be able to afford a small resin printer :)

@ChaseDaOrk3767

19 күн бұрын

@@GettingHandsy fair enough, any recommendations for good cheap 3d printers?

@GettingHandsy

19 күн бұрын

I started with an elegoo mars. I don't think they are necessarily the cheapest tho. You can get a brand new mars for under $200 on Amazon. Pretty sure there are other cheaper ones (anycubic photons I think, maybe creality), I just don't have any experience with them. You will then need cleaning supplies and a way to cure the resin. A lot of people buy a wash/cure machine, but I use a makeshift bucket with LED strips and cheap food buckets/alcohol. One thing to note about resin printing, it's going to take some money and time to get going, but once you make the investment, it pays off pretty quickly. After I got my first printer, I printed off enough custodes for what would have been $600+ in store for a round 2 bottles of resin, which at the time was like $40-50 ish. Otherwise, you could try an fdm printer. Some of those are closer to $100, and don't require the cleaning (post processing) steps. They just aren't nearly as detailed as resin.

Neither GW or Mantic used to interest me much. I'm not into "gangs fighting in a parking lot" style games. But now both are giving us Epic games that are arguably REAL wargames.

WORKS! 9:40 Yupp....its good!

This is all nice and well but if other people don't play it then you can't get value out of your models. Doesn't matter how much cheaper they are

@GettingHandsy

6 күн бұрын

Then more people need to start putting their money where their mouths are, and actually playing alternative games 🙂

You cannot beat GW at quality "and" you become part of a massive community with clubs everywhere

@GettingHandsy

15 күн бұрын

It's tough, that's true!

@salperez50

5 күн бұрын

Not true check out conquest

@GettingHandsy

5 күн бұрын

@@salperez50 I do think conquest has awesome models. They are probably one of the next videos I'll do

@law_of_the_jelly298

5 күн бұрын

@@salperez50 might be true... but then i would end up with something nobody in my area plays. GW community is great in my area and I enjoy playing 40k.... never even heard of conquest..

The only problem is thst no one plays this stuff near me, it's all GW wargames.

@GettingHandsy

14 күн бұрын

Just gotta start it up yourself then! 😀

@SuperEagle112

9 күн бұрын

Same at our independent store but we just started using mantic models to play 40K. Works amazingly well.

Their sci fi line is phoned in they kept chasing whatever fad GW was doing with deadzone and were always behind. Their fantasy is far better alternative.

@GettingHandsy

18 күн бұрын

I can agree with that, and I think you can tell just based on the number of factions in fantasy vs scifi.

@kudosbudo

16 күн бұрын

I'd disagree. Havign played Killteam Deadzone is a much easier friendlier gamified game to get into. Great for new players. Killteam by comparison is a faux complex game that doesn't quite hit right. Its basically tryign to be what Infinity is and does about 100% better. Not that thats bad. Ist a good game just in a weird middle spot.

So my observation is. why play Mantic as an alternative to GW? Why not play it for its own sake? Why does any game have to be played as an alternative to any other game, like so many content producers seem to suggest? You should be playing any game for its own sake and because you enjoy it of course. I play multiple games not because one is better than the other but because they have value in their own right.

@GettingHandsy

Күн бұрын

I agree, we should be playing Mantic games just to play Mantic games, or other companies' games. But this video was specifically made because people were mad at GW and looking for alternative games.

Their orks are terrible, their guard is perfect

@GettingHandsy

18 күн бұрын

Ya, the marauders are probably one of their weaker options imo, but I do really like those GCPS!

@colinmack8655

18 күн бұрын

The maurader are cool man like old school gw orks back in space crusade

@WinstonSmith-yy8qs

18 күн бұрын

Have you painted them, the sides of the mInis lack detail and the head are stupidly small, brought 30, I let the kids play with them.

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KoW and Deadzone are far better

Rules are decent. But their models almost always look like pants. And are cheaply made, from cheap materials

@GettingHandsy

16 күн бұрын

Supposedly their quality has gotten much better over time...but also, you can 3d print and play their rules at least!

I like Kings of War, but Mantic is a big, loud meh from me. I like the company, but the models and lore are an issue. The models are often ugly, the scaling weird and the materials sometimes questionable, particularly the PVC stuff. The lore is bland and not very captivating, GW lore, particularly in the past, has been lightning in a bottle. The fact that they stick a proprietary spin on many of the armies instead of a pure miniatures agnostic system doesn't work to the games strengths imop. They have expanded into 3d printing with Mantic which is a move in the right direction. The bottom line is its quality is Mediocre, the lore is poor and it's harder to get players. As much as I like Kings of War it hasn't become my default system as I now prefer One Page Rules or just Oldhammer it for Grim dark fantasy.

@cillamccarthy6987

18 күн бұрын

I can understand your pov. Restic was a knightmare to work with and the pvc can be hard to clean up. Mantic have made a push over the last few years to move more of the range to hard plastics. Most of their core kits for the army are now Hips. With resin casts or 3d print options available for other items. Yes there are still some of the older minis kicking about in the ranges but they're alot less than they used to be.

@telleryoutube4458

18 күн бұрын

the lore argument is always interesting to me. An established narrative vs building your own etc. I was die hard GW for a while, I know everything there is to know about Eldar. That being said I never 'felt' Eldar on the board. Mantic Warpath lore to me feels more like Aliens, than GW. A different type of Grim Dark, but certainly Grim Dark. I recommend grabbing their source book and taking a read. As for the restic/pvc stuff. I feel you there. A lot of their stuff is plastic now, but I'm more in the OPR world/3d printing.. so if I don't like something I just print out an alternative haha =D Mantic games are pretty mini agnostic.

@GettingHandsy

18 күн бұрын

I was just trying to show some options for people who don't 3D print and are looking at trying to move away from GW. But ya, if you asked my opinion, I would say get into 3D printing ASAP and play whatever ruleset you enjoy the most.

@colinmack8655

18 күн бұрын

The issue with restac was that people who are used to working with HIPS did not understand the material. It’s like resin, or metal, once you know the tricks the sky is the limit.

@cillamccarthy6987

16 күн бұрын

@@colinmack8655 I agree once you had the skills down the minis came out well. But it's not a intro friendly material for someone new to the hobby. I'm glad there moving over to hips more and more.

Mantis’s figures look like garbage for the most part. Super static poses…not good.

@GettingHandsy

16 күн бұрын

They might not be perfect...but they are an alternative 🙂 But yes, they could use some additional dynamic poses.