One of the biggest obstacles to underwater combat has to be getting your players to go underwater in the first place. They've all played enough video games to know how scary and uncomfortable the underwater levels are.

@718jef

21 күн бұрын

It doesn't have to be. Surprisingly, my favorite underwater levels are in minecraft dungeons. You walk along the ocean floor and swing your sword just a bit slower. Your bows range is decreased drastically but thats fixed with harpoons which function like normal arrows underwater. When you dash in that game, you do a twirl swim that carries you far, making up for slightly slower movement. And while breathing is still a problem, there are so many bubble collumns you never feel in danger. Plus you get an item mid way that just gives water breathing and normal air in a radius. If I was a dm, I'd implement all these ideas, making water combat less "HELP I CAN'T BREATH OR SWIM!!!" to "Oh, things are a bit different but we'll be fine"

@Daniel-ot8gg

21 күн бұрын

To counter that, the DM schould play the best underwater music, starting with dire dire docks.

@boniakarlo

21 күн бұрын

For extreme solution, drop an harry potter: just kidnapp one of them.

@BobWorldBuilder

21 күн бұрын

True! The psychological battle is real!

@supersmily5811

20 күн бұрын

Well, that and they might know the rules for underwater combat already, and not want to take the massive setbacks.

The most important thing I learned from that video is that mikes can be used as piercing, slashing or bludgeoning weapons.

@BobWorldBuilder

21 күн бұрын

It's all about technique

@drillerdev4624

20 күн бұрын

And that's just the cordless type

@theastralwanderer

19 күн бұрын

With enough force, anything is a piercing weapon!

Comparing mechanics across games systems is my happy place. Bravo! And MOAR!!!!!

@BobWorldBuilder

21 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! :)

@TheGladGolem

7 күн бұрын

@@BobWorldBuilderMOAR seconded. Especially for health and injury mechanics. Check out Wildsea and Crown & Skull for novel hit point alternatives.

One of the hardest things to wrap my head around regarding underwater combat is when characters wear armor. Wearing metal armor while underwater (unless magically aided) should be a death sentence.

@BobWorldBuilder

21 күн бұрын

Agreed. This is even more important to the '3D battlefield' discussion since characters in heavy armor, or just carrying a lot of gear, would still be grounded.

@kull778899

21 күн бұрын

Unless the armor is similar to cast iron skillets in thickness it doesn't weigh you down (buoyancy) as much as you might expect. Would it impact your swimming speed or range of motion - absolutely (or at least it should). But as somebody who had done some scuba diving, you need to add very dense weights to make the human body sink the way you might expect from tv and the movies. Armor is spread out across the body and therefore, like a boat, is able to float even though it might be heavy in absolute terms.

@YoJesusMorales

21 күн бұрын

I think we need skallagrim doing some tests, or todd's workshop, I hope with a dummy with a ballon or something for lungs filled.

@guamae

20 күн бұрын

There are videos of folk swimming in Full Plate... Looks difficult, but can be done. I have any armor that imposes disadvantage on Stealth, give disadvantage on Swim checks as well.

@gacrazy65

20 күн бұрын

There's a couple of people saying it's possible... but I'm not sure. My albeit quick searching yielded 2 video's and both were not in full plate armor. A suit of samurai armor without legging and a chainmail outfit (weighing in at about 30 lbs). Both clearly struggled. The Chainmail man said he could not even go further than a hundred feet, and he looked fit. Full Plate is NOT just sheets of metal. It is a composite of thick wool under a chain shirt and possibly pants, under plates. The wool will soak through. It will be miserable. IIRC plate weighs in at around 40-60 lbs and most of it DOESN'T want to float. If the guy wearing 30 lbs of chain doesn't think they can last a minute under water, I struggle to imagine the guy in twice that and a bag full of gear being willing to go under at all. Top all that off with a standard adventurer being built like a Greek Demigod. You know what they lack? Fat. Ya know what makes ya float? Fat. I'm not sure of those biomechanics, given we know what Michael Phelps looks like, but I have to assume part of that is starting with momentum as you hit the water, whereas our knight is probably walking in. So maybe take THAT with a grain of salt.

I once ran an entirely underwater campaign with aquatic races. Mur folk, Ceciliaia(octopus people) hippo campuses(fish centaur people) ECT. For for 3D play on a battle mat 1) I simply assume that the starting plane is zero. Anybody that moves up or down gets a little sticky note next to their mini It's either a positive or negative height. 2) If range is important I introduce you to what I call a "lazy Pythagoras" simply add half (round up) of the shorter dimension to the longer dimension. If your target is 10 units away and 5 units up. The range is 13 units. (5÷2+10). For simplicity in movement I still consider moving up or down one unit of the z axis to be wonderful unit of movement.

If you are interested how underwater combat, holding breath and suffocation works in PF2e: When IN or UNDER water you are: off-guard when you have no swim speed (makes sense) Gain resistance 5 to fire and acid (makes sense) -2 to slashing and bludgeoning melee strikes (like the disadvantage with the other) Ranged attacks with bludgeoning or slashing fail, but piercing ranged attacks have halved range (Which is less harsh than DnD5e and forces ranged people to get closer, but not be double punished) You cant cast fire spells or use actions with the fire trait (cool, especially since prepared casters in the system are all about preparing and shine in that stuff) And under the GM ruling some ground based action might not work under water (not noted directly noted in the underwater combat, but like in shadowdark you have to swim as an action if you have no speed to move around in water). Might be a lot on the first look, but every single one is very intuitive imo When it comes to holding your breath you have 5+ con "breath-points". Every round you lose a point and if you attack or cast a non verbal spell you lose two. When you talk you lose all And suffocation is that you become unconcious and roll a DC 20 fort save or take 1d10 damage each round. BUT each round the DC increases by 5 and the damage increases by 1d10( which is cool cause if ignored long enough or the party isnt prepared enough it becomes scary even in high levels) The hold breath and suffocation rule are extra cool, because certain enemies like a Tyrannosaurus, or some oozes can swallow you, where those rules are being used (you can even rupture yourself out of them if you deal enough damage, even with spells, so you can risk it all with a spell in hopes of getting out and either rupture yourself out of the beast, or start suffocating.)

@peoplecallmepeechez

13 күн бұрын

This is cool. I ran one encounter that took place above water and had player falling in or getting pulled under so when I looked up how long a player can hold there breath it gave me some equation in minutes that seemed ridiculously long, especially when in combat, so these breath points is a cool way of doing it. I'll have to remember these rules next time I have such an encounter

And to make underwater combat more stressful, play Sonic The Hedgehog's "drowning jingle" as background music.

@BobWorldBuilder

21 күн бұрын

Works every time!

Bob is secretly a wood elf, I can't imagine you in an indoor set anymore. Love the nature vibes ✨️

I agree with your rules-light vs rules-heavy differentiation. Suffocating can be used for many things. Not only underwater, but because of smoke or toxic gases etc that can came up as traps on dungeons or environmental hazards. So I think that rules for holding your breath (specially the simple and intuitive ones like DC20's and Daggerheart's, that can fit in a small paragraph or box) can still be considered essential part of a rules-light game. Underwater combat is so specific - and something that the players will mostly likely avoid anyways, and that will happen only probably because the DM pushed for it - that a game that tries to cover it with detailed rules is one that probably does this for other things and it is not rules light.

@BobWorldBuilder

21 күн бұрын

Great point about holding breath being important for a variety of situations!

"Realistically", fighting effectively underwater is just about impossible (without specialized equipment or magic). But that's not fun. On the other hand, not giving *any* penalties underwater breaks immersion (no pun intended) and renders the whole thing pointless. So the trick in any system is figuring out how to make the underwater environment impactful, without making it so annoyingly restrictive that your players just groan and roll their eyes whenever it comes up.

@BobWorldBuilder

21 күн бұрын

Well said!

In regards to the question about water as a material component in D&D 5e: I let spells be cast with additional non-expended components, material or otherwise, for no direct mechanical benefit. In addition to it meaning additional water, sand, mud, gloves, etc. don’t disrupt a spell if they are technically present as unintended material components, it means speech doesn’t disrupt non-verbal spellcasting, and that any spell (not just those with listed material components) can be cast through a focus, and their somatic components can be performed with the focus.

@SparklesMcFartyPants

21 күн бұрын

I'm homebrewing a spell having water being a material component, if cast underwater, to have either double the range or double the affect.

@BobWorldBuilder

21 күн бұрын

Great point about speech during an otherwise non-verbal casting

Those tweedy birds are goin wild for this D&D content. They’ve 100% liked and subscribed.

The real treasure is the Bob we met along the way ☺️

Bob, thank you and Ginny and Pointy Hat for doing Kraken Week! I'm running a homebrew Saltmarsh campaign right now and these are all fantastic!

Underwater, fireball does not work, but worry not, chain lightining creates a series of thunderballs.

What I think we’re hearing is that if we can get a crate of various bows and arrows to Bob, he’ll happily try some underwater archery?? You have my bow!!

@BobWorldBuilder

21 күн бұрын

I need to find sponsors who make this stuff lol

Classic D&D rules (1983 - 1991) state that a character can cast spells underwater if they are the recipient of a water breathing spell or potion.

Being surround by water when doing create/destroy water, would not be thrown of, because the spell does not consume the water in the casting, water needs only be present. Destroy water requiring sands, would also allow casting underwater, as the sand does not need to be dry, and is also not consumed. Plus, since neither has a price, they are covered by a spell focus. Most of the time, spell components would make no difference to underwater spellcasting.

@BobWorldBuilder

21 күн бұрын

Ahhh great point!

My players don't trust the underwater areas after I filled a lake full of eels and made a mystery ladder they could crawl down into a ancient sunken ruin pocket dimension.

I love your videos. My kind of content. No raging, no moaning, no complaining, just talking about and enjoying a hobby.

Perfect ttrpg game for Kraken Week: "They Came From Beneath the Sea" which is inspired by classic 60s sci fi movies where aliens or sea monsters are attacking the city! My party is currently battling Kaiju that are surfacing all around America.

The winks and signals about the D&D 2024 rules are killing me man XD

I like the idea of more 3D combat encounters, e.g. underwater or while flying, but running them is a bit tricky. I remember doing a short AP in PF1 with some underwater combat. Thanks to some polymorph abilities and a player playing a merfolk, we weren't too much inhibited, though we prioritized those effects for our melee characters. It was an atmospheric encounter, but the combat overall felt a bit clunky, due to how many restrictions and penalties we had to account for. The big one honestly wasn't with attacks (which, basically non-piercing = half damage, which is simple), but rather mobility for anyone missing a swimspeed. Needing to routinely make swim checks for basic movement or actions slowed things down a lot; if using a check to determine how effective you are each round, I'd maybe suggest figuring out a way to make it a passive check.

PERFECT! My D&D party and I are going to Hawaii later this year, and to build excitement for our tropical vacation, I'm taking our campaign to more coastal/aquatic areas. And yes, I was definitely planning on a Kraken.

One of the meanest things I can think of, is to have an enemy spell caster cast dispell on the party's Water Breathing spell

Adding water to every spell as a component while casting underwater makes sense and is certainly an interesting thought excercise! 11:19 Classic "Bob the Vehicle" Magnet moment!

@BobWorldBuilder

21 күн бұрын

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I Love ALL Bob World Builder videos! Kraken Week!

@BobWorldBuilder

21 күн бұрын

Thank you!

3d combat is my FAVORITE thing about underwater encounters, who'da thunk splitting the party across the z axis makes for such unique tension Thank you motorcycle revving guy for contributing to kraken week

I've been working on my own sea-themed campaign for a while now, so this video was very interesting, indeed. The biggest problem that I've run into, apart from the 3D aspect, is the huge variation of adventures that 5e tries to facilitate with their ruleset. There's an obvious issue if you're trying to make both a 30-minute (in-game time) underwater encounter and a full underwater campaign viable with the same system. In the former, you'd want to make the water itself an interesting hazard. In the latter, the water cannot be as punishing. Anyway, I wrote my own additional rules for underwater exploration, with short dives in mind. In my campaign, the players will have to coordinate in order to overcome the obstacles they find below the waves. That means: making their stay risky. In my campaign, players will explore a sunk wreckage of an ancient ship, battle a giant sea snake capable of submerging a dungeon, and traverse a claustrophobic, underwater maze. For those who are interested, I included my rules below: Oxygen and Underwater Exploration Some places in this campaign can only be explored while diving. Water exploration is turn-based, similar to combat. Each turn represents 6 seconds. When a player that does not benefit from Water Breathing effects submerges, they must roll an Athletics check. The roll determines how many rounds they can stay underwater before having to come up for air. This is realistic, since most people can hold their breath for 30 to 90 seconds, while professional swimmers (with high Athletics) can hold their breath for over 2 minutes. If a player remains submerged for longer, they suffer 1d12 + 2 typeless damage from drowning every round. This mechanic adds a lot to the urgency of underwater exploration, especially for deeper areas. It also hinders coordination between players. Water Breathing In regular system rules, water breathing potions last for 1 hour. However, since this would defeat the purpose of the underwater mechanics, only “Old Water Breathing Potions” can be found during this campaign. Instead of 1 hour, these last for 1 minute (10 rounds). By the end of the potion’s effect, the player rolls their Athletics check and continues as normal. In this campaign, the 5e Water Breathing spell becomes a level 2 spell that has a water breathing effect for 1 minute (10 rounds) and only works on 1 creature that the caster touches. This may be the caster themselves. Underwater Movement For underwater movement, this campaign uses regular system rules. Do note that vertical movement should also be taken into consideration. Therefore, this module always specifies how deep an area is. Depending on the depth, it may take a few turns to reach the bottom. Some complicated or difficult underwater actions also use up movement speed. These can only be performed if the player still has enough of their movement speed in that round. These special actions are specified in the module. Other actions, bonus actions, and interactions work normally. Underwater Combat Combat underwater works differently from normal combat. This is because of the increased resistance against objects moving through water. Ranged weapons and spells have only half their reach and any fire-based damage has their damage output halved. Should the target also be resistant to fire damage, the effects stack. In addition, for each non-cantrip spell, Lightning effects become an area of effect spell, adding a 5ft radius to the target (or area) and hitting all creatures (friend and foe) within that area for the full effect of the spell. Any ability that requires a character to speak (like some spells that have verbal components) uses some oxygen, decreasing the number of rounds that a character has left on his oxygen timer by 1.

A video connecting all games in the hobby, like an ocean all nations surround. So... watch yourself ;) you're surrounded :D

As a DM with thalassophobia, underwater scenarios are always horror-coded. So dealing with the darkness, cold, pressure, mobility, communication, and breathing issues are far more important to me than the combat aspects. And my typical aquatic beasties are always more interested in grabbing PCs and pulling them deeper/away from the rest of the party than in dealing direct HP damage.

Great video, Hippie! Great take on Kraken week. Comparing different system is a creative take on the issue.

I love ALL Bob World Builder videos!

@BobWorldBuilder

21 күн бұрын

Thank you!

in FR novel The Lost Library of Cormanthyr by Mel Odom, the main character (a ranger) buys a (magic) underwater bowl and arrows in Waterdeep - and he used it later. First and only time I've read about one. Great book, by the way

Your voice and the ambiance of your video is so, so nice. Splendid video.

I am so glad I backed DC20! That is such an elegantly simple solution!

I so prefer the vanilla exhaustion to the -1 per level for 10 levels UA soup du jour

@BobWorldBuilder

21 күн бұрын

not allowed to confirm or deny if that held up in the the 2024 PHB, but I'm sure there will be talk about it!

@TwinSteel

21 күн бұрын

@@BobWorldBuilder it’s very popular, but I heard at least one person suggest the 2014 way stayed around - in the end, it doesn’t really dictate what we do at our own tables ❤️

The vids have been top notch lately. Love the promotion and discussion of other systems!

So the important thing to note, is that whilst you are terribly ineffective fighting underwater so too would almost any medieval fighter be. It's hard to see under water, even if it's clear your eyes don't want to stay open, your clothes drag in ways they never have before, you have to think about both swimming and attacking. Think about the amount of realism that is fun for your party.

I think the reason most of the piercing weapons are not included is because the ability to maneuver them underwater is greatly impacted by their length. Yes you can thrust them in a straight line but if you try to angle that thrust or change position or get around an enemies guard it becomes much more difficult the longer it is. I don't think this applies to the Rapier or some other short examples but for the pike or the lance, I could definitely see those being encumbered in combat. I'm also a strong supporter of weapons like the long sword or halberd being allowed to do piercing damage if the player chooses. I also think the long sword is probably short enough like the spear that it wouldn't really be that impeded ( when thrusting).

Great video! Love the in depth look at how different systems handle this topic. Always love the humor in these and the outdoor setting XD You inspire me to go outsode more!

@BobWorldBuilder

21 күн бұрын

Thank you very much! I really liked this location!

Yay! Random car noises! 😂(Can we start betting on what interrupts you each week?)

@BobWorldBuilder

21 күн бұрын

Now that we've settled into plane, train, car, I'm interested to see what else can pop up haha

I laughed every time you mentioned the 2024 rules lol! "I can't say anything, sooo, I'll leave it in the footnotes." I'll be honest i don't keep track of material components, but if I DID, I think that a spell would be watered down. pun intended. Somehow, certain spells may be less potent as material components are sort of lost in the vast volume of water around them.

That Daggerheart combat rule is so clean; for a system like 2014 D&D that really wanted to use natural language it's such a good idea to cover all your fiddly exceptions with "unless it makes sense", instead of trying to produce an exhaustive list that is ultimately just as vibes-based as the Daggerheart rule.

Personally I think realistic combat for underwater scenes works best if you aren’t a Merfolk, have gear made for underwater use, etc. Also keep in mind wet clothes weigh a lot so imagine how heavy armor is going to be when underwater.

I really like the comparison between games. I really enjoy the Bob World Builder approach of using whatever game mechanics you like best or the ones that work the best.

Loved this theme for kraken week ..... as always practical and fun advice to help us all in any kind of game.

I think in general having a lot of the material component around should be fine? Itʼs not like you can *deliberately* overload spells by oversupplying material components. Although a corollary to that is that some spells might have *air* as a material component and they usually donʼt bother mentioning it.

@BobWorldBuilder

21 күн бұрын

Right, funny enough, I considered the lack of air underwater before considering water as an ingredient. But I figured talking about water, since it is an ingredient, was a more plausible tangent for the video :P

I enjoy all of Bob World Builder videos 🎉

I love Kraken Week!

@BobWorldBuilder

21 күн бұрын

Glad you're enjoying it!

I am really enjoying Kraken Week, really nice & concise comparison of underwater mechanics for different TTRPG systems.

Pirate borg is my new favorite rpg and setting

@BobWorldBuilder

21 күн бұрын

Nice! I haven't tried it myself, but I feel like I hear it mentioned even more than Mork Borg these days

Brandon Mull knocked it out of the park when it comes to a mechanically light but narratively and tactically interesting way to put PCs underwater. I'll take a potion of airy water and the potentially dangerous tradeoffs over gilly-weed any day. (Especially as it partially explains how your gear survives the trip.)

Hey fellow kraken weeker! I'm really enjoying your outdoor era :)

PLEASE test the sling underwater!

@BobWorldBuilder

21 күн бұрын

Honestly this just enhance the case for more modern, wrist-rocket style slingshots in D&D. I bet that would be far more reliable underwater

@joemacleod-iredale2888

21 күн бұрын

@@BobWorldBuilder the signature weapon of a rogue subclass based on Dennis the Menace, Bart Simpson and the kid from Home Alone called the Tyke!

Crackin' video Bob. I mean Kraken video Bob.

Rule idea for the weapons and underwater combat from D&D, having the morningstar deal 1d6 bludgeoning and 1d6 piercing and having the rule be for purely piercing weapons. It is a bit more complicated than needed maybe, but I think when you think about that piercing thrust motion being better underwater like you mentioned, I think that makes it easier to remember. And it adds a nice change up to weapon damage i think, though would need to follow up with more changes to differentiate piercing from bludgeoning from slashing to really mean anything.

I ran an underwater encounter as part of my CoS game (near Tser Pool; completely optional). The party was so confident going into the battle because they had no problem with the merfolk above ground; but once they went underwater (using an underwater breathing spell) and the merfolk dispelled the magic the party freaked out - and in a bad way. They started to suffocate and found themselves being attacked from below the surface. It was very close to a TPK (and it should have been based on their arrogance). I let one of the casters cast a summon spell and choose reef sharks who took the party back to shore - saving their hides. They (the actual players) were pissed. "How could you let them counter our magic like that". "That put us in such a vulnerable situation". I had discussed with them before they went into the water exactly what the underwater mechanics were and I listed them all on our Onenote page so they could reference them at their leisure. How dare the monsters of the deep know how to fight creatures of the land in their home field environment effectively. I felt bad, but not, at the same time; this was a completely optional encounter and I know from my own personal experiences scuba diving that it is fun until it isn't and then it escalates very very quickly to being deadly - being underwater is a very inhospitable environment similar to being in space. I lost a player a few session after and the others absolutely refuse to go anywhere near the water to this day.

Thanks for this great video! It got me to sit down and design the underwater combat rules for my own TTRPG. The Minutes to Rounds rule is something I've wanted to implement in 5e for a _loooooooong~ time_

What a great reference, thank you!

I always saw the materials as the minimum needed to cast the spell in most cases so being underwater doesn’t interfere because the only thing getting used up is the material needed.

Talespire works really well as a 3d battle map. It's basically digital Dwarven forged terrain you can make maps out of.

While some other comments talked about it, I was quite surprised that you didn't mention Pathfinder (1e OR 2e), especially with your prevalence for realism. (And for those reading this comment that are interested, Pathfinder rules are free on Archives of Nethys and PFSRD)

Pathfinder 2e has rules for aquatic combat in the Core Rulebook page 478. Just throwing that one in the pile. It supports Indestructoboy's axiom about rules heavy games including details on underwater combat and suffocation; Pathfinder has always been known for its "crunch" factor.

I always liked holding your breath for a number of rounds equal to your Constitution (unless something would interfere, such as a kick in the stomach). This means that an average character could hold their breath for 60 seconds (6x10) with very little training, which matches my own experience, and a well-conditioned character could last 120 seconds, which is supposed to be typical for pearl divers (and Jacques Cousteau's entire group of friends back in the 40's). For truly exceptional individuals, you could introduce special training (or a feat or something) that arbitrarily extends this time limit beyond the base, and for flexibility, you could allow Con rolls each round past the limit to stay conscious.

"Which is a far more EfFISHent way to move in water, than swinging through it." Unintended pun?

This is a cool video. I like the way DC 20 did the breath thing. Holding your breath for several minutes while fighting always seemed weird. Thank you

Bob I feel like you’re much more confident giving your thoughts in your videos without worrying about the comments- which is of course hoe it should be. I like it. I’m hoping to do the same

As for the issue of components in underwater casting, I subscribe to the principle of keeping things as simple as possible, or rather, of not wanting to further complicate the rules. If you have the required components, the rest doesn't matter. "But you're adding water to the components" -Are you adding Air to your components when casting on land? No. Why would environmental atmosphere suddenly matter now if it didn't matter before? Eh, maybe I'm just a lazy DM 🤔🤷‍♂

Here is my idea: make them hold their breath when it's not their turn. If they have to take a quick breath, either character whose turn is currently has to help them breath somehow, or they take some damage in game (and technically out game too). Now you will see how fast combat can get😂

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We violating the NDA with this one boys 😂😂😂

5:26 I think it would be funny if instead of like ruining the recipe, if maybe a drop of water was consumed by a spell, it just created this tiny milimetres wide vacuum of air and all the pressure of the water filling into that little pocket would just cause a little water explosion next to the caster

I don't know how morningstars will be handled in the 2024 rules revision, but I always HOPED since it was announced that it would change to a 1d4+MOD bludgeoning + 1d4 piercing weapon. Which would feel the most appropriate for that weapon. Like in my mind, the morningstar along with the whip are two weapons that should deal two damage types worth of damage. For the record, whips should deal slashing damage equal to your STR or DEX mod (because Finesse) and 1d4 thunder damage. While still having reach. Oh and for the war pick, since it's usually a hammer with a pointy back end that's primarily used for attacking, I'd give the war pick the option to switch between dealing 1d6 piercing or 1d6 bludgeoning damage (and give the shortsword a similar feature but with piercing and slashing, a far less meaningful choice, but a flavorful one). Anyway, if that change to morningstars would be implemented, then the underwater combat rule could simply state that making melee attacks that exclusively deal piercing damage would get rid of the morningstar. It would give the war pick good underwater weapon status with one of its damage types, but honestly, that'd be fine with me.

thankfully the main point where the party has to go underwater (if they choose to) they are aided by merfolk who can aid them in breathing underwater.

I do like how DC20 handles a lot of rules

Thanks for the Kraken Week content

Even something like a mace which might normally be swung for more power could, if you were underwater, be used to poke like a spear.

Troika is always the exception to the rule. It's rules light, but has rules for drowning. No rules for underwater fighting though.

Maybe a spell that requiers material components could have a chance to trigger a wild magic surge

Can't wait to get dc20 will probably switch over to it and part 5e stuff into it

Happy Kraken Week!

Swing- sling wouldn't work. Sling-shot would probably work at short range

@BobWorldBuilder

21 күн бұрын

Agreed! Maybe that's worth testing lol

@Billchu13

21 күн бұрын

@@BobWorldBuilderworth trying with round bullets and conical torpedo shaped bullets. I would assume you'd need a special sling and ammo

I'm really glad I never remembered that "1 hour of swimming, check vs exhaustion" rule. That is terrible. 1st, most PCs aren't swimming for an hour. 2nd, well, Ginny Di released a merfolk race as part of the Kraken week. Rolling a check after an hour of swimming as a mermaid feels completely wrong. At a minimum, I would say it is a rule for people without a swim speed, if not something else.

My intrusive thoughts were saying that you were going to throw the old books into the pond 😅

Glub glub

Shades of first edition Saltmarsh.

I don’t think spell material components require a specific recipe of exactly certain things while excluding others. The materials just have to be present, and adding more water, or oxygen, or nitrogen, or carbon dioxide, or what have you than the spell calls for would not cause the spell to fail.

It just never made sense to me why would me and my friends, as adventurers who know how to fight in land, go and just get off our boat to go fight in water with an aquatic creature

@commanderwyro4204

21 күн бұрын

underwater dungeon with lots of treasure in it

@BobWorldBuilder

21 күн бұрын

Sensible! But adventurers do some wild stuff.

@ZehDaBanana

21 күн бұрын

@@BobWorldBuilder my man straight up mike tysoning the shit out of a shark for no reason at all, like i could just keep shooting arrows ou casting magic, but no, let's brawl those mfs!

@maromania7

21 күн бұрын

Depending on the water, more sensible and less deadly than trying to face a dragon or a warband!

I do think weapon groups would be a good addition to dnd, though defining the groups is difficult (I've tried) especially without a miscellaneous group, and trying to use feats (like polearm master) as guidelines is also weird because they group weapons that could be from different groups and there aren't that many that do so, as well as trying to balance out the number of weapons between groups. It would make adding weapons easier, because you just add it to a weapon group and it'll play nicely with features (assuming they use weapon groups). Additionally, it would make weapon proficiencies more interesting if martials didn't just get every proficiency, instead a few groups. Except fighters, now they get to be unique with their proficiencies. It also makes species weapon proficiencies relevant as well, since before if they would be relevant you already have proficiency in everything, but if they aren't then you don't really care for them in the first place. Thinking about thrusting motions with a narrow profile being the way to go underwater, couldn't a quarterstaff be used similar to a spear, basically being a blunt spear?

I feel like spell casters need to bring canisters of air as a spell component

So, fireball turns into "instant soup"

I think thrusting and piercing weapons is used in underwater combat.

Terry Pratchett once made a comparison between Tolkien's fantasy and the appearance of Mount Fuji in Japanese art. That always reminds me of your videos. ¿Why do you deliberately avoid involving mention of Pathfinder? Pathfinder has one of the most complete collections of underwater combat rules. This comes from D&D 3.0 and 3.5 with the Stormwrack supplement

@BobWorldBuilder

21 күн бұрын

Same reason I didn't mention GURPS (which I'd bet has the most thorough rules for underwater adventure): I just haven't read it.

👍for kraken week

When he's sitting in the pool what's that blue thing hanging from the tree behind him?

@BobWorldBuilder

21 күн бұрын

It's a marking tape on a dead branch, presumably from/for a caretaker at that park to trim it later

Want to make underwater adventure fun? Embrace the difficulties and let the players solve the problems themselves. Present the adventure, give them time (in game and out of the game) and let them go on quests to solve and/or minimize the challenges.

Would be nice if you included a link to the entire Kraken-playlist somewhere in the desription - just a suggestion :))

Thanks

I'm rather uncertain that the DM, or any player, could successfully demonstrate how long they could hold their breath underwater, outside of combat anyway. I have demonstrated that, fully immersed, I was able to hold my breath long enough to panic a swim instructor who told us to hold our breath as long as we could. Far longer than I can in air.