I entered the giveaway/sweeps for my son. He has been obsessed with woodworking since he gas been in the hospital. That's all he talks about. My farmer father was excellent with woodworking of any type and I think that's where my son gets it. He is coming home in 5 days and this would be the greatest gift ever for him. My dad passed away in 2009 from cancer or I'm sure without a doubt he would have loved to work along side with his first born grandchild who is now 33 years old. Thank you for keeping traditions alive.

Excellent video!

Great easy to understand video. You’ve enlarged the range of abilities of the Origin for me. Thank you!

This is a very good instructional video on this high tech tool, which I have been tempted to consider buying. Thanks a lot for the informative video. Fortunately after seeing the steps involved and likelihood of making mistakes I can save the money and buy material for more projects. I can see it has a place for some types of work, like inlaying, but don't see the value for traditional joinery. Cheers.

First I would compliment you on a good demonstration and explanation. The first thing that came into my mind as I read the comments here was that it was like listening or reading the comments of many woodturners who use conventional gouges who knocked the introduction of carbide tools back in the late 2000s. That change helped to get more people turning. Yes, I know that all you hand tool woodworking folks can do this, but the quality of workmanship will vary wildly. Yes, you have a workshop full of tools and have spent a fair time learning how to use them. You seem to forget that the number of young people doing woodworking has fallen through the floor compared to 25 years ago, and if you are my age, then make that at least 40 years. So if you want to get into woodworking, you need the technology to entice them plus many of them have the disposable income to buy these tools. I am currently using a Shaper Origin and Workstation, no I don’t own it but if I can I will because it does what it claims. As someone who has used gantry based CNC systems plus numerous other machines and jigs on the market over the years, I even had a business selling tools, I can say yes it is expensive but over time it will earn its keep and be the tool that solves your problems, and good quality tools with excellent backup are not cheap.

This is all very nice, but isn't it taking away from the enjoyment of actually making the cabinet? I'd much rather do all this in a traditional way.

i could have cut these by hand long before he had that set up.

@kjohn5224

2 жыл бұрын

nonsense, very few people can cut dovetails in under 10 minutes

@johnchapman1231

2 жыл бұрын

@@kjohn5224 i agree

@mark2727

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with you, hand cut dovetail joinery is a true CRAFTSMAN'S art form. Old school still rules! And doesn't cost as much!

They would have been very disappointed had they sent the Origin to me instead. Nice cabinet.

just an idea but if you used a straight 6mm or 8mm bit to hog out wood then used the dovetail bit would this make it better . so if bit retracted it would not damage the workpiece and would be less strain on both bit and cutter

lost me as soon as the Shaper was introduced -

@intrepidshedman3309

3 жыл бұрын

And what part of the title did not give that away??

@kjohn5224

2 жыл бұрын

get with the times old man

Poplar Woodworking ;-)

Rough crowd!!! Lol! Not for me either, but still enjoyed the video. Always interested in whats new. Very cool technology. Just not for me or this crowd I guess! Hahaha!!

are those same dovetail files available on the shaper hub?

I thought this was Popular Woodworking… Not “Popular Maker Space” 🤔😞

Nope, not for me. Your work is beautiful but I really enjoy the old fashioned ways of joinery.

@fachpersonal3275

3 жыл бұрын

Same here

@jennessalynam7682

2 жыл бұрын

I highly agree with you there!!! Love using my hand tools to cut dovetails joints!

@jobophoto

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Does this even count as woodworking or is it home automated manufacturing?

@jobophoto

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Does this even count as woodworking or is it home automated manufacturing?

I could cut these dovetails by hand while this machine

Next great tool will be a robot to assemble the cabinet. Where's the fun in that...

Eh, if you have a Shaper Origin this is fine. Personally I'd rather save the $2500 and just practice my dovetails instead. At least then I don't have to pay $18 for a roll of tape to do some work.

@totallynotabot151

3 жыл бұрын

How much are you going to pay for lumber while you practice those joints? More than $18? A single roll of that tape has lasted me 1 year of infrequent use.

@FireDiplomat

3 жыл бұрын

@@totallynotabot151 No? Practicing joints means you can make the dovetails, trim back the depth, then do them again on the same board.

Love the chest, but man you don't need all that technology. I have the plans hand tools will do the job for me. Many thanks

Too much of a faff, you could almost have them cut by the time you’ve figured out that gadget! I should imagine the work station costs an arm and a leg ? Imagine how many dovetails you would have to cut to pay for it?.

I guess none of you have heard of Frank Clause who was a master of cutting dovetail joinery by hand. All hand tools no machines, and the fit was first class!

@2ez_travis899

2 жыл бұрын

That’s nothing. I can do it without hand tools. Teeth only.

@xl000

Жыл бұрын

I guess you haven't heard of him either, because his name is Frank Klausz... The real question is: is it really worth practicing for 20 to 30 years to make nice dovetails by hand, or would you rather have to for something else....

@brendangallagher732

Жыл бұрын

@@xl000 It doesn’t take 30 years to learn how to do dovetails, don’t be absurd. With a bit of practice you can learn in a year, tops. They’ll not be perfect (woodworking never is) but you’ll get more proficient each time, cut four corners of a box in a tenth of the time it takes to set up a Shaper….and save 3 thousand quid.

You don't miss a thing if you skip the ridiculous tool demo, but just follow how the chest is built applying in mind your tools and skills needed to do the same.

I like how the 'play next video' for me in YT is Euro dovetailed drawers starring Mr. Klausz, marking out dovetails by hand faster than scanning domino pattern tape. Sorry mate, Im w most everyone else here, really nice interesting project, id love to make the adventure chest, but not w/ that headache causing machine. Would rather drop the 2.5K on old hand tools instead.

dado stacks illegal in uk don't no why

@BadSpock

2 ай бұрын

Shaper will be illegal too in case the AI comes to route us all

also i don't think it does a great job in cutting dados ,and i actually do own this machine and the workstation .i cut my dados on table saw or spindle with the appropriate cutter ,you can see where shaper did not cut the dado clean ,this is down to how you hold machine ,it only takes a slight wrong move then the damage is done.its a great machine but very over priced but it has its uses in my field of doing floor repairs etc

Dovetails are clunky and look like box joints I was lost within 3 minutes but if I had a grandson around he'd probably make short work of the programing but I don't so its not for this old man.

Lol

Just want to add my two cents here since everyone is ragging on this video in the comments. We all know you can hand cut dovetails. We all know you can cut dovetails with a router jig and many other contraptions out there. I don't own a Shaper Origin, nor do I really have plans to buy one, but it's an interesting machine that is very multi faceted. If you want proof, check out what Phillip Morley is doing with it. It's not a dovetail machine, it's not a template machine, it has proven itself to do much more. Unfortunately, it seems like the commenters are just a bunch of old men who are scared of new technological developments. Those who used stone axes laughed at iron tools. Those that used a chisel dismissed the hand saw. Those that only used human powered tools didn't understand why tools need engines or electric motors. Now it's the same story repeating itself with CNC machines. I suppose it'll take another generation to become accepting of CNC technology, as it become more common in the home wood working shop. I just hope I can be as open-minded when I'm retired. No offense directed at anyone, but I bet the nay-sayers have been in the reversed role at some point in their lives. Besides, it's in the friggen title... You know what you clicked on, so you clicked on it purely to make a negative comment.

@MosquitoMade

3 жыл бұрын

No offense, but you seem to contradict yourself a bunch; never the less I'll chime in for you. I think it's a neat tool, and I think it will be awesome to see what creative people do with it. I do, however, think this is not the right showcase for it. It's just dumb if you ask me. Who's going to pony up for $3k worth of gadget, to do just the basics? I think an advertisement like this would have benefited greatly from something more impressive. There's not much here that a $100 palm router, $20 of scraps, and a $50 dovetail jig couldn't do. If you're going to have an expensive and highly capable tool, use it to do something interesting, otherwise it's going to be a very hard sell. I think the origin is a better fit for someone who wants to get in to CNC, but does not have the space for a big desktop machine. That said, I do like the project, and if it does actually get someone in to the hobby who is otherwise too doubtful of any of their own abilities to try it themselves, then I'm all for it. I just don't think it's the kind of thing to actually sell it to most who frequent pop wood. And before you judge more, no I'm not afraid of technology, yes I can cut dovetails by hand, yes I usually do 1/3 of that with a band saw instead, and yes I own a CNC.

@63DegreesNorth

3 жыл бұрын

Yawn.

@brucehurdman2055

7 ай бұрын

The last time (and only time) I cut any dovetails was about 14 years ago, when I made about 20 special pine cubes for my daughters preschool room. At that time I bought a Porter Cable dovetail jig. I've had a back saw for decades but wouldn't consider using it for dovetails as I am way to unexperienced with it for any fine wood work. My 3 car garage is my hobby wood shop with bandsaw, table saw, chop saw, planer, Shopsmith, Carvewright CNC, etc. and a Shaper Origin/workstation. Currently my Shaper is my go to tool as it gives "for me" unparalled control. I do wood work for fun and not for profit, having made numerous Christmas gifts for my 21 grandkids. BTW, 60 years ago, I lost sight in my left eye so manually lining up lines etc is a bit difficult so I love the new technology that gives me an edge. Years ago, I read that over in England to become a journeyman woodworker, a person had to use only hand tools for a number of years. I'm sure that would give them great training to become one with the wood and the processes. I applauded anyone who has those kind of skills and am amazed to watch them work but please don't know those of us who love to work with wood but don't have the time or possibly the talent to work with out technology.

@Wyman642

6 ай бұрын

@@brucehurdman2055I am in the same boat, down to the bum left eye! I am older and nearly retired, with the money to afford a Shaper. I will likely buy one for the reasons you note: I am a hobbyist who can better enjoy the craft with devices like this that allow me to create and have fun without years of hand-tool training. That is also why I bit the bullet and got my Domino machine and track saw some years ago. No regrets.

Not impressed. Besides being financially out of reach for the casual woodworker, it is letting the computer do all the creative work. The human aspect becomes a drone for the machine. Fine for making many copies of the same thing in a commercial operation but the set up time is way too much for a single piece

I have no problem with technology in general or the Shaper specifically (other than the obscene cost probably due to being owned by Festool and their obscene pricing model). What is distasteful for me are these commercials being presented as projects. To be fair, he does say up front that the video is sponsored by Shaper. That's the point I stopped watching.

Wow. I have absolutely no idea how that machine is working nor do I see the value or benefit. Looks like a PITA. Sorry. I liked the look of the cabinet though.

This isn't woodwork; it's just using a machine!

@rooriders

3 жыл бұрын

Do you use a tablesaw? bandsaw? router? drill? THAT'S NOT WOODWORKING, IT'S JUST USING A MACHINE! :)

@TheFalconJetDriver

3 жыл бұрын

@@rooriders the Talent with using the tools you mentioned are controlled by the operator, the Shaper Origin is controlled by software commands and remembering how to implement the commands. Timber is getting too expensive to learn how to run another piece of firewood machining tool 🤣🛫

Click bait. The design of the cabinet was attractive but the attempt of selling an expensive and irrelevant piece of equipment was absolutely ridiculous.

@dublinf4477

3 ай бұрын

The shaper has revolutionized CNC for the home woodworker not sure why you think it’s a relevant and absolutely ridiculous. Doesn’t take up. Space relatively inexpensive as far as CNC goes.

This is the kind of stuff that just earned the channel and unsubscribe.

@63DegreesNorth

3 жыл бұрын

Same as that. Unsubbed.

Are you available on Rumble? I hate to lose access to your videos as they are informative and well done, but I am moving away from the platforms that are set on censoring information. If you are, please let me know as I'd like to follow you there.

Not impressed 👎

Unpopular woodworking. What are you thinking with this sort of nonsense?

This isn't woodworking. Woodworking is and always has been hand work. This is more manufacturing than woodwork. I would rather do it by hand any day. This is actually mildly disgusting.

Too much manual work for computer tool, too much computer for a manual tool......My vision: go CNC or go manual but nothing between !

@amiddled

3 жыл бұрын

I think the main benefit is that you don’t have to dedicate a large amount of space to a CNC. Some people want the repeatability and accuracy but don’t have the room for a CNC.

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30 minute video ad for Shaper Tools. You aren't even trying. Sad now.

Jeez… that is just absolutely ridiculous. All that pissing about to make simple dovetails. Grids, files, cameras, test cuts, offsets, probes, clamps, dovetail bits, straight bits, gouge cuts, clean cuts…..the list goes on. Taking all human agency out of creativity and reducing skill to a series of 1s and zeros. Oh, and it’ll cost you the thick end of 4 grand.

Shaper Origin. 🤮🤬

A shaper origin can shorten times in one off tasks however these are some of the ugliest dovetails on KZread. I am sure shaper paid popular woodworking to showcase their product, one is actually better off cutting them by hand. Now, for the person who believes only in machine tools🥲 then table saw or dovetail jig can produce a 100x time better dovetail for less than 5% of the cost and not to mention faster too..hell, ask frank Krause and he can cut perfect dovetails on all sides twice even before this dude can get excited about cutting dovetails. Just because your instapot says it can wonderful bake a cake doesn’t mean it bakes a good one.