"You know, in Genosha, I felt a lot of things: pain, grief, admiration for those who fought despite the odds. But you know what the oddest thing was? No one seemed shocked or surprised - *not even me.* Yes, I was scared, but really I just had the most profound sense of déjà vu, as if past, present, and future didn't matter and never had, because we always end up in the same ugly place. Thing is, Magneto knows us better than Charles ever did, knows we know better, that most of us experience tragedies like Genosha as a bit of déjà vu before getting on with our day. But the scariest thing about Genosha wasn't the death or the chaos. It was a thought, the only sane thought you can have when being chased by giant robots that were built to crush you: Magneto was right." -Dr. Cooper. Chills.

@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat

Ай бұрын

You know, I was reading about them and had no clue they were made by humans. I thought aliens just made them to kill any alien-mutants through space

@cyberninjazero5659

Ай бұрын

@@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat Nope 100% Human made, they even had the guy who made them be part of the original X-Men Animated Series (Bolivar Trask) and that was a good while before X-Men went to space

@quinnnewman9538

Ай бұрын

I think its the same thought that most sane jews have when they see the iranians or palestinians call for their death. Deja vu

Magneto is always going to be right because comics will never allow mutants to have a happy ending.

@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat

Ай бұрын

The writers unintentionally made him right by how comics work

@ricardomiles2957

Ай бұрын

On the other hand, because of how comics works it makes the slippery slope in DC an actual possibly world ending threat. And for different reasons make batman and superman the biggest looming threats of their universe

@kamikazelemming1552

Ай бұрын

Mutants will never have a happy ending because comics books are never allowed to end.

@GabeSweetMan

Ай бұрын

​@@kamikazelemming1552"No endings for you comics. Only graphic novels and Manga can have them. They are totally different."

@ricardomiles2957

Ай бұрын

@@RicochetForce ehh i don't think that has nothing to do with. Both DC and Marvel used their comic book technology to "improve" the real world and in the end it all stays the same

Nightcrawler is my favorite, too. I just enjoyed the fact that there was a religious character who wasn't secretly a villain or a complete idiot. Also, teleporting is neat.

@cyberninjazero5659

Ай бұрын

He's got that in common with Daredevil. Exact same faith too

@d-w-b-c

Ай бұрын

​@@cyberninjazero5659and same design motif

@leithaziz2716

Ай бұрын

Oh, he is? I actually really like that then. Same with Daredevil.

@Amirifiz

Ай бұрын

​@@cyberninjazero5659 I wonder how the convo between DD and Nightcrawler would go. I need that team up issue

@guigondi7671

Ай бұрын

I really like how Nightcrawler encouraged Gambit to go after Rogue. I don't remember the exact line but it was something like "there is no love without sin, for love lies in what we forgive." It was quite an interesting statement especially coming from his religious background.

Need a “Magneto made some valid points” shirt at least.

@Shadest

Ай бұрын

LET MAGNETO COOK

@egxtra

Ай бұрын

-Magneto Was Right- -Magneto Was Wrong- Magneto Made Some Valid Points

@katamariroller2837

Ай бұрын

"Magneto was not wrong" "Magneto´s ideas are valuable" "We should consider Magneto´s viewpoint" "Magneto had interesting thoughts"

@jbark678

Ай бұрын

"That Magneto guy had some pretty good ideas brudda."

@Graysett

Ай бұрын

"Magneto has some legitimate grievances."

My favorite thing about Nightcrawler is that he wants to be a pirate SO BADLY and will take any possible opportunity to do so. Triple-wielding cutlasses and fencing foils, acrobatic flips all over the place, this guy has watched every single Errol Flynn movie.

I hope the writers can bring the wooden gun bit back lol!

@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat

Ай бұрын

Nice try magneto, I made a wooden sentinel

@miguelnewmexico8641

Ай бұрын

was it wood in one of the stories? i remember plastic form the movies.

@DaSquareful

Ай бұрын

The movies used polymer/plastic guns with mutant serums to counter magneto and they kept him inside a acrylic prison. In the cartoon they thwarted him by using a wooden replica gun to scare him into surrendering.

@attackofthecopyrightbots

Ай бұрын

to be fair that was an episode magneto was cameoing in. not an actual x-men show its like saying "scarlet witch in the iron man cartoon is terrible" it was also a really old cartoon

In Episode 1, Henry made a comment about Tolerance is Extinction, and the whole season seems to wrap around that idea. Bastion's plans, the x-men after fallout of Genosha, Magneto's declaration...they all seem to have a version of this conclusion with vastly different responses. Bastion sees tolerance as a cancer, Magneto sees it as forfeiting before an unyielding foe, and even Beast seems to think that they shouldnt settle for mere tolerance, but acceptance.

And to think: we could have stuff like this all the time if animation stufios, artists, and voice actors were given the same budget as live action television.

@dawsondebell1603

Ай бұрын

It's not all about budget. It's about creative liberties and a strong vision being communicated expertly to everyone involved.

The reason Magneto was in his underwear in that scene was obviously because it was supposed to evoke imagery of the jews in concentration camps being stripped of their clothing and dignity considering Magneto's background. It even does a close up of the number on his arm. I guess De Mayo actually wanted him to be nude in that scene but it was too much for the execs.

Mutants acceptance lasted all the way up until Marvel decieded they needed to sell "evergreen stories" which meant repeating the same mutant extinction plot forever.

@bloodyroses4664

Ай бұрын

It's the same problem dc has with Gotham. You can't fix the problem because of writers, so why do the heroes keep trying

@Birthday888

Ай бұрын

This yeah. There's no point in many of these stories cause we're always going to return a status quo once the writers decide so.

@bloodyroses4664

Ай бұрын

@Birthday888 I do disagree with that, because you don't have to view it all as one huge thing that's good or bad. You can like a singular run or an arc, and just enjoy what is good. Like the Krakoa stuff recently was great. It didn't last but there was great stories that do matter to those who enjoyed

But Nightcrawler is always right

@JOfJaZ

Ай бұрын

Hes just a good christian boy

Magneto: How many Charles? How many..

@jaideay3003

Ай бұрын

How many breads have you eaten in your life?

@RavenCloak13

Ай бұрын

Charles: "I don't know. How many did you instantly kill and will subsequently kill by EMPing the world instead of reprogramming Master Mold like you did before? You could have literally had an army of human/Sentinel hybrids but you wanted to waste time."

@li-limandragon9287

Ай бұрын

@@RavenCloak13Charles: Also you groomed Rogue when she was barely legal Erik, you’re not coming out of this with no moral high ground.

2:15 funny. His powers are listed in that end credits bit where it goes over each character

Nightcrawler was a main charachter on xmwn evolution to the point where they give him a holographic watch to disguise him as a human so he can go to human school. There was an episode where they slowed down kurt teleporting through his Bamf dimension and it was scary for a kids show from my memory lol

Storm can use magic. Some of her ancestors were sorcerors. Thats why her hair grows and she gets a new suit, its magic.

@creativenickname1

Ай бұрын

So she's a mutant and a magic user? How much is her mutation and how much is magic?

@SeruraRenge11

Ай бұрын

@@creativenickname1 Her mutation is basically inheriting the powers of a goddess.

@InfamousResult

Ай бұрын

My favorite mutant who uses magic is the one they literally call Magik.

@thewizof0275

Ай бұрын

​@InfamousResult my favorite fact about Magik is that she doesn’t know how magic is spelled. That K is entirely accidental.

@AngryHomunculus

Ай бұрын

IIRC there's a story where Loki is trying to get Storm to usurp Thor as the God of Thunder

when they were showing off the cameos during the last episode. i got a good laugh seeing the senitanl-fied humans invading Wakanda remembering that i bit from Secret invasion when the skrulls invaded

@leithaziz2716

Ай бұрын

It was nice to see 90s Spider-Man again. Shame he didn't have any lines where they could have brought back Christopher Daniel Barnes.

@ApexGale

Ай бұрын

there was something inherently funny about t'chaka breaking the window of his own building and then just diving at the sentinels lol

@thunderphoenix440

Ай бұрын

"THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE WHO TRY TO INVADE WAKANDA"

@4Wilko

5 күн бұрын

@@leithaziz2716 It can't be anyone other than Christopher Daniel Barnes!

13:36 That reminded me of in World War Hulk when Hulk was fighting Rockslide and he just snapped his stone arms off and threw them in a random direction.😂 It was the same fight where Darwin, one of the most broken mutants ever because his power is the ability to adapt to any situation, activates his power and it teleports him five states away from the mansion because even his mutant power said, "Nah, we're not winning this fight." Hulk also fucking bent Colossus' living steel arms backwards which had me fucking rolling.

@ApexGale

Ай бұрын

"hulk's strength increases faster than you can adapt. the only winning move is not to play." *yeet*

@hosvet_animation

Ай бұрын

Reminder that Hulk hurting mutants to hurt Xavier is not Hulk being a good guy. Just putting that out there.

@RavenCloak13

Ай бұрын

No, Darwins power is random and it made him teleport away. He could literally gain the ability to absorb his gamma radiation like a sunflower but the writers said no so Hulk would be able to keep going.

@Ravensgale

Ай бұрын

@@RavenCloak13 Darwin's power is "Reactive Evolution" basically gaining whatever power would best fit the situation he's in. While it may be "rAnDoM" what power he gains, I'm saying I found it funny that the power it picked for the situation is, "Don't be here." And it teleported him away from the fight.

@Ravensgale

Ай бұрын

@@hosvet_animation Oh, I know. I remember that the Hulk's mission was to not kill a single mutant there because his target was Professor X for his involvement with the Illuminati. Which makes the whole fight even crazier because he wipes the X-Men going non-lethal.

9:00 storm is a magician too. She uses it rarely

Wolverine teleporting with is so fucking cool

Hype Woolie is my favorite.

Magneto in a speedo.

you tube is literally recommending this video at the end of this video.

@hosvet_animation

Ай бұрын

Drake meme in reverse. 1st shot, this thumbnail, happy pointing. 2nd shot, this thumbnail, get out of my face.

@michaelmaguire4147

Ай бұрын

@@hosvet_animation we don't use drake for that meme anymore

Nightcrawler is the fucking best man

My favorite part of the rogue/cap interaction is her just straight up calling him a cop

@li-limandragon9287

Ай бұрын

Cap has never been my favourite and I find him too hypocritical too often, so seeing Rogue disrespect him was glorious.

@flamesbaldwin108

Ай бұрын

And the "hog-wash" line before that made it seem like she was a step away from calling him a pig, lmao

Oooohh boy cant wait to see their reaction to the last set of episodes

Sweet, a Magneto shirt to go with my Thanos college jacket.

Morph gets knocked out while he is turned into Juggernaut. He can copy other people's abilities but he isn't as strong.

@superboomn

Ай бұрын

It's really interesting because I ask myself how much of Juggernaut is he copying? Is he completely psychic proof while morphing Juggernaut's helmet? Is he stoppable because he doesn't have Juggernauts momentum demon/alien thing? Is he only copying him for the super strength? If so why not just hulk? Morph is so cool man

@Brandonious15987

Ай бұрын

@@superboomn I'm happy he is getting used a lot in 97.

I feel like Magneto has the same rule similar to Batman "If you can't imagine Batman being friendly and nice to kids, you're not writing him correctly." "If you aren't convinced that Magneto is actually right, you're not writing him correctly."

@hobbes6392

Ай бұрын

He’s more of the trope that he’s an antagonist with a valid point that the writers have them kill a puppy for no reason so we root against them. Except that if he’s written right you should be at the point where you go “maybe he should be allowed to kill puppies”

@hosvet_animation

Ай бұрын

@@hobbes6392 Magneto as written is just Xavier but also, "So we should genocide THEM back!" Xavier is Martin Luther King Jr AND Malcolm X because he believes in armed resistance (hence The X-Men), Magneto is more like a Ho-Tep mixed with a racist but his "race" is oppressed so you don't notice he's a racist.

@cyberninjazero5659

Ай бұрын

@@hobbes6392 His whole thing is that he's a mutant supremacist what are you on right now

@li-limandragon9287

Ай бұрын

@@hosvet_animationMags is so hypocritical, he’s almost killed Kitty multiple times who’s suffered anti-Semitism same as him.

Love me the one true Pope, Nightcrawler

97' is the antithesis of the other Marvel shows coming out. Episode 1-2 would have been the full season with Magneto's soeech being the ending.

@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat

Ай бұрын

Oh right, they’re still making stuff

@ricardomiles2957

Ай бұрын

The shows for the most are doing real good tho. Compared to the movies i have way less complaints for the shows

@miguelnewmexico8641

Ай бұрын

can't just say good thing is good without calling other good things bad, can we?

@Santoryu90

Ай бұрын

Eh

Mystique can also replicate powers along with having other utility shape-shifting powers like growing extra limbs

@silentassason

Ай бұрын

Like that time she got that chick pregnant

@cyberninjazero5659

Ай бұрын

​@@silentassasonNo that was planned to happen but didn't instead we got the terrible plot line of Nightcrawlers dad being a literal demon

@mikhaelgribkov4117

Ай бұрын

@@cyberninjazero5659 and then they actually did so the Mystique, Destiny and Azazel are all his parents through use of Mystique powers.

@cyberninjazero5659

Ай бұрын

​@@mikhaelgribkov4117I just looked it up, they retconned the retcon last year. No wonder I didn't hear about it

@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat

Ай бұрын

@@cyberninjazero5659what cowards, give us a story about how she’s actually the progenitor of the human race or something

Morph had a brief scuffle with Wolverine in the original show (Season 2, Episode 3 "Whatever It Takes"), where the two engaged in a mirror match. Their claws managed to hold up to the real deal for a bit until Logan sliced them off. At the very least, Morph's abilities are deceptive enough to maintain the masquerade, but it'll always pale in comparison to the genuine article. Also, in the first episode of the original show, Storm switched out of her civilian clothes in a similar fashion: like magic. I don't know IF that's even part of her powerset, but since she's often considered a goddess, I wouldn't be surprised if that's actually one of her abilities.

We Malcolm X-Men now!

@hosvet_animation

Ай бұрын

Xavier has an armed para-military group who fight racists. Xavier is Malcolm X. Magneto is a Ho-Tep.

So after this season is Cyclops getting his T-shirt moment too?

Counterpoint: the Shiar / space Marvel stuff rules. Long live the imperial guard!

@li-limandragon9287

28 күн бұрын

I love Marvel space when done good.

18:30 Magneto can't actually do that. In X2 Mystique injected the guard with ferrofluid beforehand (But yes he can de Adimantium Logan)

@SeruraRenge11

Ай бұрын

It depends on the writer. In theory Magneto should be (and canonically is) one of 10 most powerful mutants in existence because magnetism is one of the 4 fundamental forces of nature meaning those little electromagnetic fields means he can affect ANYTHING that isn't nonmagnetic (so rubber, wood, glass, and plastic). Even water is magnetic, it's just diamagnetic so not by much.

@RavenCloak13

Ай бұрын

​@@SeruraRenge11 No, he's only that powerful because they won't allow other mutants who can just kill him instantly to kill him instantly like Jean with her telekinesis. She can just crush him with her mind. Or Nightcrawler just teleporting a tree into Mangeto, or Storm killing him with a cosmic storm or freezing, or burning him alive from the inside out, or drowning or turning off his magnetism by electrifying the atmosphere of the iron around to just negate magnetism and so on. Fuck, Magik. Just do magic inside or outside of him.

So does anyone have any expectation that if they go with the onslaught story line this we lead to the big team up with xmen, fantastic four and the avengers?

@cyberninjazero5659

Ай бұрын

Do you think they'll do House of M after Onslaught? It would fit so well

@DDespicable

Ай бұрын

@cyberninjazero5659 I'm talking about in the xmen 97 show not mcu. The final battle with onslaught took a massive team up of marvels biggest teams.

I can’t take Magneto seriously after seeing clips of him in that the old fantastic four cartoon

@thecaptain6520

Ай бұрын

"A wooden gun"

I feel that Morph's ability to not only shift but re-create powers is just a development of their mutant abilities. A lot of the times in the books the mutants, have a base idea on how to do their powers but then learn how to really maximize their abilities.

"THAT'S NOT A WEATHER POWER"

4:40 I respect it but can't agree lol xmen was my introduction to marvel space. Speaking of , the star jammers are just xmen guardians before the guardians. They need a movie

@li-limandragon9287

Ай бұрын

Woolie is selling Marvel space short, I’ll take my surfers, purple dudes and bird people over stupid rings and sun powered stus any day.

On the topic of Magneto just doing whatever he wants, he gets his heart ripped out and manages to keep himself alive because of magnetism I guess

Morph can turn into Hulk or Quicksilver, but they can't really maintain that form for more than a minute, and they can't do stuff like teleport like Nightcrawler or shoot eye beams like Cyclops. Is that right?

@coldfrost3

Ай бұрын

Yeah Morph can shape shift and access physical powers but not energy based ones

@jaideay3003

Ай бұрын

Also I feel like the only reason the Hulk form could actually do hulk shit is because he was getting juiced with reality warping energy

0:34 to be fair I'd Argue that X-men is only half about superheorism and the rest is about solving internal world ordeal. 9:03 And Storm is in fact magical aside of being a mutant.

I'm pretty sure Morph's effectiveness as Hulk was aided by Jean's TK. Notice the glow. I don't think they'd get that sort of impact with an approximation of Hulk's physique and strength.

X-man 2 Nightcrawler assault on the president(?) was pretty good though

Next season, Pat: Cyclops was right.

Magneto is right came from the Grant Morrison run. Graffiti and shirts in universe too

@cyberninjazero5659

Ай бұрын

@@RicochetForce also the run with the Genosha genocide that this season adapted

I sure hope that DIsney doesn't fire all the people who made this show great.

Magnet-O

That bit between them was really good and well-acted. My only critique is that they didn’t kiss at the end like they CLEARLY SHOULD HAVE. DAMN THAT TENSION!

Now that i'm thinking it's kind of weird that Cyclops Was Right became more popular than Magneto Was Right when it was a derivative of the original. Maybe it's because Cyclops Was Right began in 2012/2013 when meme culture was already a thing.

@cyberninjazero5659

Ай бұрын

Nah, Griffith did nothing wrong predated both, and it had staying power. Cyclops was right. Took off because the stories trying to make him a villain were badly written and would have people go "No he's actually right" remember the whole 'Where were the Avengers when we were suffering' thing COMES FROM AVENGERS VS X-MEN, and after that people absolutely hated the Disney forced Inhumans shilling and how they were basically making Inhumans into the new mutants. People say Magneto Was Right to be edgy and ironic (Also its from the comic itself). People said Cyclops Was Right because they actually think he was correct in all of the conflicts, inspite of writer intent

@jasongarrett768

Ай бұрын

Cyclops Was Right being borne out of the most failed and backfired comic book character assassination ever will never stop being funny.

@cyberninjazero5659

Ай бұрын

@@jasongarrett768 It's like the Marvel official policy that Pro-Reg didn't just win they were "right" in spite of them sinking so low as to use Super Villains to apprehend heroes. Honestly, I wonder if Marvel's ever done a hero vs. hero event where the audience agreed with them on who was correct

I internalised Morph as being able to copy about 60-70% of peoples powers by taking their shape. So he’s got super tough skin as Colossus but not as tough as Piotr’s

storm can suck the ozone from the air shes done it in the comics so by pats logic she can easily kill everyone and is just as overpowered as magneto magneto can stop iron in the brain to make people pass out also

Finally an excuse to bring up in that thing again where Nightcrawler bamfs into the other dimension but is always prepared for Apocalypse just being around the corner maybe, it's so funny.

@li-limandragon9287

Ай бұрын

Problem is, I think Woolie is misremembering that because I can’t find that comic anywhere.

@terraemiya8448

Ай бұрын

I think it was the X-men evolutions cartoon that aired on Disney XD

@li-limandragon9287

Ай бұрын

@@terraemiya8448Probably, but the they said it was a comic and I wasted a lot of time trying to find it.

@terraemiya8448

Ай бұрын

DAMN IT WOOLIE

Anyone catch Peter and MJ at the end there?

@li-limandragon9287

Ай бұрын

He found her, good job. I hope she didn’t meet Paul in that portal.

Always. I haven't seen any '97, but Magneto has always been right.

@li-limandragon9287

Ай бұрын

Except when it comes to his children whom he abuses, his girlfriend who he groomed and other Jewish people like Kitty Pryde whom he almost killed.

Are the following two statements equal? Griffith did nothing wrong. Magneto was(/is) right.

@lCore17

Ай бұрын

Fuck no

@cyberninjazero5659

Ай бұрын

Griffith was a lot worse so no. The worst thing Magneto did was constantly abuse and belittle toad. Magneto is kind of downplayed because Apocalypse is worse Magneto

@kamikazelemming1552

Ай бұрын

Griffith did *EVERYTHING* wrong.

@Canadish

Ай бұрын

"Griffith did nothing wrong" is said ironically because he did everything wrong.

@egxtra

Ай бұрын

Never in the slightest: Griffith lacks empathy. Even at his worst, Magneto (normally) wouldn't treat people as tools to be exploited and discarded at his convenience. Bare minimum, he's trying to improve the living conditions of all mutants, regardless of social standing. If a similar massacre happened to Griffith, it would've affected him differently. He'd be annoyed by the loss of "his men", but wouldn't weep for them. He would rally what remained, rebuild his numbers, and kill those responsible in the slowest way possible. Now that I think about it, a similar event DID happen to him...and he's the one who instigated it... Yeah, Magneto would've never become part of the Godhand, especially of his own volition.

im an old fart of a xmen fan, but last time i recall sunspot didnt shoot beams from his hands and he sure as hell didnt fly. wtf is up with that? he has super strength, thats it. i wonder when/if the rest of the new mutants are going to show up. the movie didnt do them any justice, thats for sure.

@strappinggent1073

Ай бұрын

It was pretty soon after the switch from New Mutants to X-Force. He got experimented on by his evil childhood best friend, which gave him both the energy blasts and the flying.

It always stood to reason that magneto was the most powerful mutant and he only let the x-men win sometimes because he didn't want to kill them all and make his friend sad. I mean, like bobby, he controls one of the major forces that make up the universe. The possibilities are endless.

I mean... Magneto was like 100% right, his entire thing is basically 'we need to protect ourselves with overwhelming power' because the government wants mutants dead. What happened? The government made mutant killing deathbots to genocide mutants, like it doesn't get more blatant than that.

@li-limandragon9287

Ай бұрын

It wasn’t the government, it was Bastion. Mags blames humanity as a whole when it’s really people within humanity not humanity as a whole. People are too quick to treat him as a righteous saint, he’s abusive father, dirty old man and a hypocrite.

I’m always like… right about what? He said a lot of shit. Right about humans doing the same shit again? Yes. Right about coexistence being impossible? Probably not.

@ricardomiles2957

Ай бұрын

Considering not even when Charles had enough and had the world by the bawls with the cure it all medicine out of Krakoa they manage to not be attacked to near exctiction. Yeah Magneto is right.

@RavenCloak13

Ай бұрын

​@@ricardomiles2957 No, literally the government could end all mutants by stop being stupid with Sentinels and just make nanobots that turn off mutant powers. They isolated the X-gene, they know how to track the X-gene, they have collars that turn off the X-gene, multiple times we are shown the nanobot tech they can use which created a bunch of bullshit like Sentinels with powers. But they don't because comics and they fucked up the power vs tech level numbers where there should be no threat of a kid being born as a natural disaster but there is because comics need an antagonist.

@ultimamage3

Ай бұрын

If humans keep doing the same shit again, then coexistence IS impossible unless humans can stop doing that shit.

@li-limandragon9287

28 күн бұрын

@@ultimamage3In fairness though there’s many mutants capable of ending all life on Earth. Asking people not to scared of walking nukes is nonsensical. Still Magneto’s problem besides hypocrisy is that he condemns all humans based on select groups. He’s a monster with noble intent but still a monster.

Find it darkly hilarious that the two guys who play video games over the internet for a living throw out a "Magneto was right" after he throws the world back into the pre industrial era. Millions dead, electricity gone, but he was right tho. No no, I fear that Red Skull was right ABOUT Magneto.

@joekewl7539

Ай бұрын

@@RicochetForce Oh no, I fully believe some of these people are 100% sincere. Maybe the fellas are joking (I sure hope so), but like I said, Magneto is closer to Red Skull than he is to The Boss.

@hosvet_animation

Ай бұрын

@@joekewl7539 This this a thousand times this. Also, no one talks about it but I think The Boss was actually "the greatest soldier ever" and everyone in-universe obsessing over Big Boss's genetics was supposed to be a condemnation of eugenics and the obsession with martial prowess.

@joekewl7539

Ай бұрын

@@hosvet_animation I think it's more complicated than that, but this would be a huge derail over a two decade old discussion, and I just don't feel like having that right here and right now.

@hosvet_animation

Ай бұрын

@@joekewl7539 Fair enough.

@RavenCloak13

Ай бұрын

Yep, Red Skull was right. Magneto killed millions of mutants instantly instead of just reprogram Master Mold like he is able to do and would have taken less time then going to the North Pole and killing billions. This isn't even getting into the fact the government should have cured mutants as soon as they isolated the X-gene and could make Sentinels and have power inhibitor collars. Nanobots in the water, air or injections from flu shot or such would literally turn off all X-genes and keep them from ever activating from a random dice roll of a kid being power as the Anti-Christ or a plague.

As someone who doesn't really follow X-Men and only knows some of the basic and surface level stuff, this title can only mean one of two things; and I am sure as hell curious as to which one it is.

@miguelnewmexico8641

Ай бұрын

im curious what 2 things you think it can only mean.

Magneto did nothing wrong.

@li-limandragon9287

Ай бұрын

Rogue is not wrong, but he should be imprison she was like 17 when they met.

Like.

The weird thing about the whole "Magneto was right" is that he isn't. All the trouble is being caused by other mutants, namely Bastion and Sinister. Humans are like a drop in the ocean of the problem.

@ricardomiles2957

Ай бұрын

You mean in this specific show right? The thing is, it doesn't matter who does the damage or makes the plan, the majority of humanity will always go for it. That's what they always hammer down in almost every time mutants are about to go extinct, humanity will take any chances to eliminate mutants

@Brandonious15987

Ай бұрын

It's humanities fault. Bastion was lied to by his mother and indoctrinated by human tech. I haven't seen the 1st show in a while, so I might be wrong about this next part. Mr.Sinister isn't a mutant originally. At some point he stole mutant DNA while trying to catch Jack the Ripper.

@sleepysystem

Ай бұрын

my brother in christ if the humans are responding to 2 bad mutants with Fuck All Mutants i do in fact think the humans are the problem lol. also bastion isnrt a mutant and mr sinister ALSO isnt originally a mutant he was a nazi collaborator that stole mutant dna and experimented on himself

@Brandonious15987

Ай бұрын

​@@sleepysystemBastion is a mutant on 97.

@RavenCloak13

Ай бұрын

​@@ricardomiles2957 Thing is we already know humans and mutants are the same thing. The X-gene is in all humans. That's it. There is not difference except ones power is on and the other isn't. If they actually wanted to stop all mutants they would turn off the X-gene forever or only the government was allowed to make mutants which makes humans and former mutants allies against the government. Sentinels should not exist because it's stupid when a better, cheaper alternative exist.

Ah yes, from kilmonger to magneto people vindicating mid century germany's actions is so odd.

When isn't Magneto right?

@li-limandragon9287

Ай бұрын

* Abusing his children (Wanda and Pietro will give you the list) * Grooming Rogue (she was definitely a teenager in that flashback) * Kitty Pryde (“Fellow proud Jew? No qualms almost killing you”)

If Professor X is MLK and Magneto is Malcolm X, then of course Magneto was right.

So the actual problem with X-men in general is the literal tech level that would allow for Sentinals, there ability to track mutants and the goverments ability to turn off and isolate a very specifi genome means all mutant threats are allowed to exist by the goverment. Just make nanobot injections which is part of the inhibitor collars and boom, no more mutants. If not injections literally make it airborne or in the water. By the time any mutant that could deal with it catches on you just cured the mutant problem and in fact, there should be no mutant problem. But comics need a threat so we have dumb robots that Magneto has shown the ability to be able to reprogram with his magnatism ability or just turn off Master Mold so no, Magneto was not only wrong but the new threat was another mutant and Magneto just killed off 70% of the population and even more mutants. Reminder Nitro is canon to this universe where if he isn't being drained constantly he will just go big boom.

@miguelnewmexico8641

Ай бұрын

dude. it's just comic books.

@RavenCloak13

Ай бұрын

@@miguelnewmexico8641 Cope.

Magneto was never perfect on mutant human philosophy BUT HE WAS BETTER THAN CHARLES

They already fired the showrunner (Apparently for some grubby sex stuff) so I fully expect the quality to drop in Season 2.

Saying 'Magneto is right' is the same as people that say Griffith did notbing wrong but Griffith arguably didnt damage the world as much as Magneto did

@cyberninjazero5659

Ай бұрын

Depends on the version. I don't think Mainstream 616 Magneto ever damaged the world. But this was something Ultimate Magneto did

@Zeik56

Ай бұрын

X-Men '97 Magento is definitely far more right than wrong. There are so many interpretations of the character out there it's impossible to make any definitive statement one way or another without handwaving a bunch of stuff, but if we're just looking at this iteration, where the show itself makes the statement, it has weight.

@TheDinohunter2000

Ай бұрын

​@@Zeik56He was until he decided to fuck il the entire planet

@Chalk0073

Ай бұрын

​@@cyberninjazero5659Magneto did the world EMP in X-Men vol 2 #25, the tldr of it is, the UN activate the Magneto Protocols, which in the comic creates an electric magnetic bubble around the Earth to keep Magneto off the planet and he responds with a worldwide EMP pulse to destroy the bubble.

@miguelnewmexico8641

Ай бұрын

there's is no way Magneto has ever done anything close to what the Eclipse did to the world. it's a miracle ANYBODY exists after the Eclipse. then again, said bad things can be killed by a one-armed half-blind guy with a big sword, but i digress. Magneto's still a buttplug though.

something something Magneto is Zionism metaphor

Morph is the only thing that I don`t like from the show to be honest, his powers are bullshit haha.

Q: What does Magneto have in common with Anne Frank? A: They both survived Auschwitz!

Haven’t seen a single Ep of 97 yet, but Magneto was always right. Charles is always ready to settle. Weakness

@silentassason

Ай бұрын

So what you're saying is. Charles' tolerance will be the mutants extinction?

@zeroattentiongaming820

Ай бұрын

Magneto in the Asteroid M episodes of the 92 show was both right and downright civil. Set up his own mutant paradise but still employed human astronauts, as they had the training necessary to keep things running smoothly. He didn't force the humans into servitude and they were explicitly under his protection from other mutants. Magneto was fully willing to respect and work with human governments and individuals as long as they showed he and his kind the same respect. When the mutants were the aggressor, Magneto actively spoke and acted in defense of humanity merely trying to protect themselves. Charles spends the first half of that story whining about how Magneto is undoing the very concept of coexistence, when Magneto in that whole story is pushing for physical separation but respect, cooperation and acceptance between humans and mutants. He completely gets why humanity fears his kind and agrees with punishing those deserving of it, just asks that humanity hold themselves and mutants to the same standards and knows that very fear will never make that possible unless mutants and humans are separated. There's no easy answer to the whole mutant situation but TAS Magneto's Asteroid M approach was reasonable and humane coming from a guy with every reason to hate humanity. It was a radical mutant extremist with a genuine hate boner for humanity who fucked that all up when he turned on Magneto for not wanting to genocide the human race.

@deanospimoniful

Ай бұрын

Charles is an uncompromising idealist. Magneto is the world weary cynic.

@Brandonious15987

Ай бұрын

​@@zeroattentiongaming820 I agreed with Charles on that one. Segregation was not the solution.

@RavenCloak13

Ай бұрын

​@@zeroattentiongaming820 Fuck, it wasn't even Magneto who fucked that up and even at the end Charles was glad Magneto was able to come to a compromise and was willing to change. It's just they can't let that actually happen because story so Cortez now fucks shit up for everyone. Especially since the government didn't want to turn off all X-genes or specifically keep them from ever activating by just employing there nanobot tech, inhibitor collar tech, and Sentinel building tech into just making a nanobot cure that turns off all mutant powers through airborne, waterborne and/or injections like flu shots that include the cure within it to just eliminate all mutant threats. Hell, you could have made a more interesting story where former mutants and humans come together with this worlds insane tech level to push back against the government who would also have the tech necessary to not only turn off said nanobots but even induce specific mutant powers given they SOMEHOW end up creating tech that lets robots copy mutant abilities.

glad this show wasnt as lame as what if was

you know the current political situation is fucked when

X-Men '97 is proof for folks who've never heard of anime that people will praise the worst writing imaginable if you make the fight animation fancy enough.

@Zeik56

Ай бұрын

I love anime, but there are so few anime out there with better writing than X-Men '97. (Relative to the ridiculous amount of anime we get per year.) We get maybe one in a year if you're lucky. This shows is leagues above the average anime trash that gets pumped out every season.

@RavenCloak13

Ай бұрын

​@@Zeik56 Nope. X-men in general has bad writing because no mutants should exist by the in-universe abilities. Power inhibitor collars, nanobots, Sentinel technology to track mutants and isolate the X-gene, giving robots mutant powers... SOMEHOW. Yeah, the only reason mutants exist is because they need conflict. Nevermind Magneto could have just, reprogram literally all those Sentinels and hybrid Sentinels but they won't because you need conflict. Said conflict also effects character relationships that don't actually make sense like Rouge going to fuck Magneto when she wouldn't allow herself to be with Gambit. Which makes no sense cause he could ALSO do a thing similar to Magneto which lets them "touch" but more like be a condemn around their bodies. Oh, also aliens, magicians and so on exist. Along with alien/magical mutants. There is no consistency and the story makes no sense because of it since other supers exist or tech based heroes people aren't also afraid of. Mutants might be random but you can literally find the people who are mutates in the yellow pages.

@miguelnewmexico8641

Ай бұрын

@@RavenCloak13 PLEASE get medicated. and if you already are, stop forgetting to take your meds. they're there to help.

@RavenCloak13

Ай бұрын

@@miguelnewmexico8641 Take your meds. Your coping as usual.

@li-limandragon9287

Ай бұрын

@@RavenCloak13Dude don’t let Crunchyroll dictate your life.

This show turned me into a human supremacist, and they need to go

@li-limandragon9287

Ай бұрын

Humans in Marvel often suck yeah, but Magnet man wasn’t doing anything to help. Just pouring gasoline on the fire.

Magneto is Israel

@mikhaelgribkov4117

Ай бұрын

I still wanna a story where someone draws line between Magneto God complex and zionism.

@cyberninjazero5659

Ай бұрын

@@mikhaelgribkov4117 Magneto has a superiority complex but I don't know if he has an outright God Complex like Apocalypse but ether way you can draw a direct line from his Mutant Supremacism (Homo Superior was his classification) and Zionism as a Jewish Supremacist movement

@thecaptain6520

Ай бұрын

Ngl I'd check out a Sabra vs. Magneto battle

@tbotalpha8133

Ай бұрын

I didn't know that Jews could shoot eye-beams.

@cyberninjazero5659

Ай бұрын

@@mikhaelgribkov4117 I'm not sure Magneto has a God complex like Apocalypse does. He is a mutant supremacist (He coined Homo Superior, and I think the "Next step in human evolution" tagline in universe) but racial supremacism is much more in line with Zionism than a God Complex, especially considering the secular Origins of the Zionist project

0:34 Throw back to Woolie saying "Super Hero Fatigue" during Black Pather 2. People arent tired of Super Heroes, theyre tired of woke writing.

@flamesbaldwin108

Ай бұрын

Using the word woke makes me want you to post brackets [7]

@hcaelBBleach

Ай бұрын

[@@flamesbaldwin108dont breed]

@li-limandragon9287

Ай бұрын

@@hcaelBBleachYou never will.