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My first time playing wotlk was with fire mage. I went with only mining, because i didnt know you can choose 2 specialisations. Good time

Kirin Tor set from ulduar is just that, the uniform of the Kirin Tor which makes sense, since they are assisting in the expedition into Ulduar. They didn't revisit pants for mages all the way until legion so its a nice change.

@pocketqueens830

Жыл бұрын

I also really love the thematic nature of it. Surprisingly I also use the Legion set for T-Mog. Maybe I just like pants on my mages

You cranking these out and I am LOVING it!

A bug myself and other mages took advantage of in WotLK was to equip 2-pc Trial of the Crusader tier + anything we had to pump our spirit as high as possible and then cast Molten Armor before putting our normal gear back on. The bug was that we would still retain the additional spirit scaling on Molten Armor which made for some very high crit values.

@Noffy92

2 жыл бұрын

Grants depending on Gear 2-3 percent, extremly strong.

@Adoarer

2 жыл бұрын

also not a bug, works just like snapshotting battle shout with Solarian's Sapphire. but it seems like both things got fixed in the beta

@tyler84323

2 жыл бұрын

Did it get fixed in the beta?

@moxieman2452

2 жыл бұрын

You can’t get TOC tier in beta

@Adoarer

2 жыл бұрын

@@tyler84323 snapshotting buffs with items got fixed, yes.

Your content is always, always amazing man! Keep up the good work. Always loved your "Is it any good/better" series!

Did I miss anything you think should have been in the video? Comment below and let me know! I do try to include what I feel are the most interesting points without the video going on forever, so i'm sure there's going to be a few things some feel are left out. Hopefully that makes sense (also i'm trying to do a good overview of all the classes - it's a lot of info!) Also yes, I wasn't sure I liked the whole "broken" name on the series that I had before, so i've changed it up a little to see if it makes any difference.

@et5821

2 жыл бұрын

Different vibe/video setup from the other WOTLK class videos, but good nonetheless :)

@Uzimaster1020

2 жыл бұрын

I support the title change. Love the series and look forward to each of your breakdowns but the original name for the series put me off a bit.

@zwojack7285

2 жыл бұрын

I thought this series was called "How broken is it now"?

@Chris-wc4ve

2 жыл бұрын

will you be doing a priest version of these videos?

@PungPillaren

2 жыл бұрын

Arcane Blast debuff increases the mana cost way more in wotlk than in tbc, which means you cannot spam AB and you will be forced to use arcane missiles unless the fight is super short. The t8 2-set has a 45 second internal cooldown. So even with high proc chance it will not be up all the time. Great video tho!

I genuinely love your content man. Thanks for all the hours of entertainment over the last few years.

finally i've been waiting for this as a mage main

i like how you have a pve specc segment for arcane and fire...but not frost

having only played mage in Cata, I find it interesting watching these videos and noticing when the playstyle I'm familiar with start. It doesn't quite look like that's the case, but after watching and listening to you describe Arcane, I can see the seeds of the "Burst phase / mana regen and conservation phase" dance it had in Cataclysm

One fun trivia bit, in early Cata progress you can use the ICC set to prebuff the 18% bonus dmg for 30s. Was unfortunately removed eventually with similar gimicks blocked :(

Honestly, I’m loving the battle armour vibe of tier 8; it’s really cool

@drewnolde2674

2 жыл бұрын

Tier 8 is my favorite set of all time.

@vyrnius

2 жыл бұрын

@@drewnolde2674 absolutely. just the helmet...

@dakotabikes

2 жыл бұрын

It’s the best mage set ever 🪄

@rastahima1223

Жыл бұрын

looks wavey

@Mthompsonwv

Жыл бұрын

Man that’s the only set I dislike. I love the old traditional dress wearing mage lol

I've been anticipating the paladin video for so long I can't wait any longer

Frostfire Bolt was the go-to spec during Naxx. I believe the reason you see more arcane on pservers in T7 is changes from the early patches to 3.3.5 and is not representative of how the live game developed.

@solaire5668

2 жыл бұрын

from what I remember, frostfire was essentially viable in og wrath because you could double dip into frost and fire talents and they'd both affect frostfire bolt. when they patched it they referred to it as a bug

@jackshiraq575

2 жыл бұрын

considering players are better and people are minmaxing, bosses will die quicker, i think arcane will win on classic early phases.

@FrazierHarcrow

2 жыл бұрын

@@solaire5668 this exactly. Ffb was abusing interactions not intended. Also it was a new playstyle wanted by mages for a long time(elementalist) and many people played it because it's a cool spec. Arc still pumped iirc

@trl2151

2 жыл бұрын

@@FrazierHarcrow Just sucks because if this is patched out it'll just make it unviable

@DreadnThis

Жыл бұрын

@@solaire5668 for the life of me I can't find any patch notes mentioning changed to frostfire bolt or anything about the "bug"

You can use Frost under certain circumstances such as a kiter on gluth or if you don't have anyone providing that mana regen buff.

I think that it's worth noting about fire spec in pvp that Dragon's Breath and Cone of Cold are no longer sharing a cooldown as they did in TBC, which is a good thing since there aren't much slows in a fire mage kit.

@stefangeibla3824

2 жыл бұрын

This is awesome news! Thx mate

I absolutely LOVE that you point out the current narrative, moving into TBC, at the time! Fantastic series!! I can't wait for more! Just to say it here right now, I think Mages turn out to be second under rogue in Ulduar. But that's just a guess from someone who played back in Wrath. The weirdest thing is going to be the fact that we start with the final Wrath patch. The amount of class changes in each patch throughout Wrath were extensive. ...It's gonna be EXCITING!

Mage was 1st alt back in the day WillE. Great video legend

Ulduar 2p-bonus has a CD (one or two minutes) similar to a lot of trinkets with high proc chances.

Amazing video as allways

When the sound goes BOOM!

I remember lots of mages switching arcane when they got ICC gear later into ICC patch as the fights got shorter and they would literally just spam arcane blast not resetting the buff apart from evo

@marcnewberry7653

Жыл бұрын

That's how Arc mages topped charts consistently. Saved an extra talent point for somewhere else.

You think the set boni and Serpent Coil Braid will stack on SP and the Gem extra %?

i remember playing frostfire spec where frostfire was your main casted spell over frostbolt or fireball

What an amazing series! Do priests next!

Yoo, WillE where's the intro, the flare, the general hype?! "Was It Any Good Though" on all the wotlk vids now?

great video as always, just shocked on how you think t8 looks bad :oo hehe cant wait for next one

Been using the water elemental, and yes, it's great to have a perma pet. Plus its nice consistant damage.

Mained a mage in WotLK, alt was a Hunter and DK. Waiting on the DK video man. ❤️

@probablyilliterate

2 жыл бұрын

Idk if he'll do one because he already has DK centric videos on the channel. Plus this is a series about comparisons between TBC & Wrath iterations of classes...but DK didn't exist til WoTLK.

probably going to main rogue / mage in wrath

Waiting to hear the anguish when people remember knocking whole raids out of the naxx entryway with the blastwave and thunderstorm. Mages can dismount people from flyer's and iceblock or cost free slowfall while waving and laughing. Think druids get typhoon, same thing but directional....gonna be ear splitging greatness.

6:42 On Hotstreak, it's worth mentioning these "non periodic crits" does not include pyroblast itself. I forgot this about wrath myself. Later versions of this talent include Pyroblast so chaining hotstreaks got crazy.

@matejzich55

Жыл бұрын

No they, maybe in cata prepatch but in wotlk Pyro won't add a crit to the Hot streak talent.

But if you have the trinket and t7 set do you just get free 450 spell power which doesn't share CD with your active trinket?

@heygek2769

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, but there are much better trinkets available at that point. And most trinkets effects can stack.

I was always a mage main and one of the most memorable experiences i had was during the early days of wrath of the lich king. I was running Halls of Stone back when heroic content was still challenging. In the Brann Bronzebeard fight, we were on the verge of wiping, but my kiting ability with frost nova and last second ice block (I was playing frost) managed to stall out the timer long enough for the fight to be a win. Other things that helped was ice barrier to mitigate the passive damage, as well as being a draenei with my racial heal. That very same dungeon run, we were on the final boss and again were on the verge of wiping, but once again kiting with blink, an early ice block caused a drop in threat, and stalling out the timer for Brann to release the stone dwarves caused us to win the fight again with me being hte sole survivor. I had never received as much praise from a group as i did that day.

Does arcane power and presence of mind share an internal 15s cooldown with each other? I remember when they added that in I think 3.1 and that was actually why I quit wow forever b/c I had been an arcane mage main for a long time. I thought that was a really unneeded nerf and just killed a lot of niche and cool specs and an old staple of mage play (arcane power + PoM + Pyro). I will probably play shaman this time if they keep that internal cooldown.

@wolfstorm123

2 жыл бұрын

you can not use PoM with AP active on the wrath beta

One of the most fun mage pvp spec is PomPyro. You take Presence of Mind instead of living bomb. This spec is heavy rng based because you need one hotstreak so you can cast pyro + instant second pyro as follow up. This spec is fun at the begining of the wotlk even tho crit chance is lower, because later everyone gonna have a lot of resillience that is reducing crit effects. Double pyro crit can be suprising for the enemy and it is really fun to play. :D

It's almost been 3 years now since the inception of our mage mains during classic. There's a certain caricature around the mage that you'll find is true in most. When the community predicted that mages won't do well in tbc and we showed up to p1/2 content blasting... The warlocks couldn't believe it. Long live the mage, whether you're frost, arcane, elemental or fire!

Nice! Do priest next please

Frostfire bolt does its job just fine as long as you’re frost and insta cast it. How far was it supposed to take off?

I’ve always favored Frost, even in PVE. However, I do like the Wrath era Arcane builds so I may be duel spec when that is available.

the deep freeze deals damage to targets permanently immune to stun. i.e. bosses, when used with fingers of frost proc its an instant cast dealing good damage, the only problem is its long ass cooldown for pve.

Man I love @WillE videos, cant wait for a warrior episode, please please make me proud! 🪓🪓

Can anyone with BETA access test if Frostfire bolt can proc Brain Freeze? Technically by the tooltip it should (the tooltip description is the same as what procs winters' chill), even though in pservers it doesn't. Thanks!

I think it's a good idea that you dropped the intro that you used for the past overviews for wotlk - it got a bit repetetive :p As always, thanks for content!

3.3.5 talents are present from the begining so power curve is a little different from original classic. I can assure you good fire mage around 3.8-4k gs and items with haste spirit can top dps on naxx.

The best class

Yay, I can have Puddle with me the entire time! 😊😊😊

thoughts with the Nerf hammer regarding Mages now?

I played arcane back in original wrath right into ICC. Now my guild only did 10 man normal so I guess maybe I didn't have the stats to really make fire work, but arcane was a beast and was actually really fun. Yes it is arcane blast spam, but there's a bit more nuance to it then that. Burn phase vs conserve phase, etc.

@d3c0y39

2 жыл бұрын

This and seemed to skip over frostfire and arcane frost were things then.

@heygek2769

2 жыл бұрын

@@d3c0y39 1:57 Mentions Frostfire The fuck is arcane frost though, sounds really shit.

@d3c0y39

2 жыл бұрын

@@heygek2769 mentioned in passing and misinformed, given it was a widely played spec during early to mid wrath, but eh. Arcane frost was a thing too, did i put numbers up? No, was it as widely played as frostfire?No. Was it shit? Depended on the player. Had heavy reliance on deep freezes extra damage on immune to stun targets. Source, played through on blackrock during that period and watched players from Eminence, Planeteers and other major guilds of the time and realm. If you want to be an ass about things, catchya later.

@wisniamw

2 жыл бұрын

@@heygek2769 you get bonus crit dmg from boths trees so your frost spells crit for 250% or something like that

@schmidth

2 жыл бұрын

@@d3c0y39 I don't think frostfire is gonna be a thing due to the nerf in some later patch, there was a bug or something like that.

Why was the intro removed? It was a very impressive peace of production, one of your best looking yet. You've even renamed the series... I'm surprised.

Leveling as Fire is a blast, too, though not quite as clean as Frost. With it's instant casts and amazing AoE burst, it's quite effective in the open world. Incredibly fun in dungeons too. WotLK Fire Mage has to be one of my favorite specs in all of WoW's history.

@vasilije94

2 жыл бұрын

Fire mage is only good because it does the most dmg out of all rdps in wotlk. Also its the easiest one to play. You just stand all the way in the back thx to talents which add range and you just spam 2 spells without any thought needed. I mean its nice at first, but get repetitive really fast. Still better than arcane. That is for sure.

@Poillip

2 жыл бұрын

@@vasilije94 For sure, it's not as complex as other specs, but there's nothing quite like slinging Surprise Meatballs across the battlefield like a madman. Such a good time.

@Vikzl

2 жыл бұрын

I remember lvling as fire and it waa the most fun i had along with prot war... U just spam living bomb on everyone... dragons breath-> instant FS-> blast wave -> instant FS and then they just start to blow up from living bomb finishing its duration.. and u get lot of instant pyro procs to finish them off... huge aoe dmg... was rly fun

hmmm i wonder if that 2pc tier 7 bonus stacks with the ssc trinket lol.

nice video! but where is my "how broken now?" :o

Playing a mage as my current main. Now I'm at the crossroad of do I stay Mage or switch to Boomy as my main.

Mage is awesome. You can finally go arcane before geared for fire and become an aoe monster with living bomb and flamestrike. Arguably the highest dps in the game.

@kikoredog

Жыл бұрын

frost is entirely playable as well, and "frostfire" spec

Im pretty sure the fire mage disarm had no cd back then i played that specc alot in pvp

@lazycalm2

2 жыл бұрын

True

im so stoked an afraid of the priest one, will the class i play since start fall from grace? haha

@Aphorism89

2 жыл бұрын

Priest was by far the best healer in WotLK. Tank healer, decent HoTs with renew, amazing reaction with instant heals, best raid healer... PLayed mine at a pretty high level back then and only once I encounter a resto druid who came close to my numbers, in multiple scenarios (not just talking about raw mindless aoe). THen shadow is super fun too and a decent mid field DPS who can shine in occasion and who will top the meters in Naxx :p

frostfire bolt was one of the most nerfed spec in woltk if i remember correclty

If the mob dies before living bomb ticks for 12 seconds will it still explode?

Completely agree about not loving tier 8 appearance.

@holysecret2

Жыл бұрын

I have no problem with the pants instead of robe, but that helmet is hideous.

fire was insane. no other class came close to dps. infinite scaling due to broken ignite munching back in wotlk

Why did you change it from : How broken is it- to - was it any good though ?

@MrWwoww123

2 жыл бұрын

i know, i really like the evolution of the series and the titles

@SimplyThinking677

2 жыл бұрын

Because it appears some class just aren’t broken *head cannon*

@alexfdezpal

2 жыл бұрын

Probably because “was it any good though” is better for the algorithm and views so better for him. I appreciate his original idea though but thats how KZread works

@ghostsheepy.

2 жыл бұрын

Because I guess mages continue to be broken so they don't need to ask

Where’s the sick intro you use in these videos?? Love the content, been here for at least 2 years now, keep it up

Fire mage is so fun ;)

Can't wait to play mage

T8 for mage is one of my favorite sets for them! I'm sure im an a minority though.

@Rockmaster867

2 жыл бұрын

I find it the best of the wotlk sets.

@adikateonenia

2 жыл бұрын

my absolute favorite set, back in the days I even farmed a thunderfurry to show off my battle mage looks :P

no frost mage info?

Is this meant to be an episode of “how broken is it now”?

You described meme fire in PvP section but not semi-viable arcane?

@Aliceinchains1234

2 жыл бұрын

also 0 love for frost pve. Frost pve is a less of a meme than fire pvp for sure.

I remember killing heroic bosses in less than 5 seconds towards the end of WotLK as arcane.

The real question for me is this, what are they going to do after wrath?? will they seriously move on to cata???? i mean whats their plan though

"nobody every glyphs water elemental to always be out" Guess we'll just ignore it's the biggest DPS increase for PvE frost mage

@astralfields

2 жыл бұрын

Sure, but even with that glyph, Frost mage is one of the worst PvE dps specs in the game. Even BM hunter deals more damage and that's not considered a good PvE spec either. You would get much better results playing Arcane or Fire depending on gear.

@Vikzl

2 жыл бұрын

U can use that glyph while lvling as frost

Gnome mage since 2005, now and always :D

Can anyone better versed in Mages help me understand why the Glyph of Fireball is worth taking? That seems like such a tiny boost in cast time to warrant sacrificing the DoT component.

@ddspk2007

2 жыл бұрын

Because you never let a dot finish normally perhaps? You'd get a couple small ticks then it's reapplied. If you get like 500 dmg in ticks it's not that big compared to getting quicker fireballs which do more damage

@heygek2769

2 жыл бұрын

@@ddspk2007 And the DoT effect doesn't scale well. Also faster casts = more procs from talents and trinkets.

@probablyilliterate

2 жыл бұрын

@@ddspk2007 guess I assumed the DoT wasn't so garbage. Never played Fire spec though.

@wisniamw

2 жыл бұрын

@@probablyilliterate your main dot dmg is from ignite talent, which deals dot dmg if you crit and living bomb

@Middlerer

2 жыл бұрын

@@probablyilliterate The dot from fireball isn't like... a real dot hah. As an example, in SWP my mage can crit 8.5k fireballs, but the dot ticks for 36 dmg

Sad to see you didn’t go over PvE Frost at all which is what I play, not even for dungeoning. It may not be the best spec but I still prefer it’s gameplay over Fire and Arcane. Thanks for the upload but was a little disappointed by that!

Can you go fire right away in Naxx? I don’t like playing arcane

@cesarangelsca

2 жыл бұрын

You can do whatever you want its a game :)

I do love this series even if I don’t plan on playing WOTLK or at least play it only casually. Sooo priests next?

warrior next?

Watched all of these, good stuff. Can't wait for the warrior. I think all the metaslave poopsocking is a bit much in an easy game as WOLTK. "Noo you can't be bear tank or BM hunter", it's not viable it's griefing".

Tier 8 4-set is next to useless for Arcane, so we'll probably see the swap in t8, just like on most wotlk servers. I guess unless we see some weird skip the tier set stack haste arcane going into t9, but I doubt it

@Vikzl

2 жыл бұрын

I remember people even switching to fire in late Naxx when they were close to T7 bis (esp. with the extra 5% crit from 4p bonus)

How come the name of the series changed?

Are we going to get Race Change or Faction Change in Woltk? Also Do we get a new Character boost if we purchase? Can you make Warrior too.:P

@Tom-hn5hn

2 жыл бұрын

No race change or faction change. Yes you get a level 70 boost when you buy WOTLK Classic.

@brel_

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tom-hn5hn we dont know for sure ofc. its strange they allow horde and alliance on same server and account, for sure.

@Tom-hn5hn

2 жыл бұрын

@@brel_ they’ve already stated there will be no race change or faction change in wotlk classic.

@shnibby12

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tom-hn5hn havent seen it

@Tom-hn5hn

2 жыл бұрын

“However, he also disappointed a lot of players by clarifying that the barber shop additions do not include the race and faction change features, which are not planned for WotLK Classic at all, barber shop or otherwise. The exact rationale for this change was not given, but mr. Birmingham did say that “Part of the concern was people changing races just to be the lastest flavor-of-the-month based on specific racials”, as as well as that Blizzard could reconsider.”

Priest next please 🙏

Tier 8 still looks good :)

Scarab Lord atiesh fire mage reporting for duty.

It's funny been playing wrath on multiple realms and other than the few major world first guilds everyone is just mixing the talent trees for fun

priest next!

Mage the actual hero class of classic lol

Paladin next?

god i miss the dual specs

On private servers mages swap during ToC after they get the reign of the unliving trinket and a nice chunk of crit

@Rockmaster867

2 жыл бұрын

How big is the difference between arcane and fire in the earlier tiers?

@wisniamw

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rockmaster867 ARcane pump better till Ulduar, then its more or less pretty similiar, after Ulduar fire pump better They still are very viable in terms of overall DPS, it just arcane do like 70% of what fire do in the end

Im playing WotLK on a Private Server for a couple of years now, and maybe i can add some to the Fire Mage FrostFireBolt (FFB) is viable, however not optimal. You can spec into it earlier than you could do with TormentTheWeak(TTW) but TTW will outscale FFB. TTW also has focus Magic wich FFB lacks. So yeah, basically at every point Arcane or TTW Fire is better, however, only ever so slightly that ure never doing your group a misservice. Its 100% Viable, but never actually optimal.

@KCswiish

2 жыл бұрын

Looking to play a mage on WotLK release, which spec do you think is the most FUN? thx

@ithadtobeaname7327

2 жыл бұрын

@@KCswiish On launch ure prolly going to stick with arcane, wich is a kinda dull 2 button rotation. U simply dont have enought krit to make either Fire spec work. I think forst is more fun, it has utility, a pet, and a proc wich is more fun than simply pressing 5 buttons over and over again. The dmg however wont compare to arcane. The fun in arcane is being on top of the dmg meter. With T7 gear or early Ulduar you might give FFB a shot. The dmg will be behind arcane again, however if you have firelocks in your raid u might actually do more raid dmg. with T10 u can go TTW or stay with arcane. Arcane is actually so easy and consitent it might be the best dmg wise up until t10 hc. My advise, try them all out, i like them all, i personally prefer arcane into FFB tho

Ladies and gentlemen, willieee er

Without watching yet: Yes

man now i gotta level my mage to 70.....

Never underestimate mage

lul mages a surprise in TBC were only a surprise to people who really had no clue going into tbc

@schmidth

2 жыл бұрын

Mages and warriors were underrestimated, rogue/lock/hunter maybe a small bit overrestimated.

That set looks amazing, wtf you talking about.

No arcane mage section makes me sad. Even now on private servers, you’ll see arcane mages in RMP comps in 3s due to the burst and control. Shoutout to Orangemarmalade