We truly are in the golden age of weird espresso. And I’m here for it

Thanks for the review! The reason that makes the current installation experience not quite well is because the current O-rings are a little bit soft and a little small in size. We are working on the update of the O-rings in size and density for a better installation experience. And we will upload a video to show the difference about 2 weeks later.

@last1second

Ай бұрын

Very interesting approach to the pressure factor in the espresso equation. I already have a robot for my espresso needs, but once my arms give up, your device is my first priority🎉

@REMY.C.

Ай бұрын

You could have done a similar housing for the cartridge that is on the portafilter handle, maybe with more ridges for the grip. Take a look at how cream siphons brands like Mastrad do it: there's no thread on the co² cartridge but there's one on the housing. You put the cartridge in the housing, you thread the housing into the siphon head and voilà, the cartridge is perforated, co² goes into the siphon, no leak whatsoever, it's very efficient and elegant. I've been using this for years, never had a problem, it's very secure.

@Sailing360

Ай бұрын

Im just looking for a semi-portable espresso maker for my boat (noordKaper47) this is very very close. Feel there is an additional obvious "niche" marry it with an optional external open top water-heater on the side for quick re-fills ;-).

@TowRent

29 күн бұрын

Looks eerily similar to a failed kickstarter project launched 3 years ago. Backed that one due to a favorable youtube video like this one but alas, no product was shipped. Any way this team is related? The description on KS seems like it is. Search for XBar on KS

@Sailing360

28 күн бұрын

@@TowRent THAT seems identical - actually kinda prefer how that one is made with separate water chamber easier to do multiple shots.

First time viewer here. I really enjoyed the candid language and tone you've used for the review. Keep up the great work!

Been watching this on insta and Kickstarter. interested to watch! Thankyou.

Congrats on the new studio and I love the step by step assembly and in depth review! What's that glass cup you're brewing into?

@aramse

Ай бұрын

Avensi wave by Icosa

Great of you to give recognition to the MyPressi Twist. I have the V2 and still use it from time to time. Sadly, not too many exist in the wild so I’m very thankful to have one in my possession. It’s such a wonderful little gadget with which I pull my very first god shot with coming into espresso many years ago. Anyway I still have it and pull shots with it a few times a year with it. It is a little piece of history I’ll never let go of. This machine looks very interesting. Thank you for sharing! You earned yourself +1 sub. Kudos Btw. If you ever get your hands in a Cera espresso maker, it’s probably the best portable espresso maker I’ve ever used, with the only downside being its limited single shot volume. Anyway this should mean a lot coming from someone who has owned a La Marzocco LMLM, Strietman ES2, half a dozen Olympia Express 67’s (as well as a late model version) and several incredibly expensive hand and electric grinders (2 HG-1’s and an EG-1) among many, many other machines, grinders and gadgets.

@timbo2002

Ай бұрын

I have the Mypressi twist too! Have not used it in years but I am sure it still works (unless the o rings have degraded over time? Is nice having a piece of history and innovation (all be it a failed innovation!).

Great to see new aramse content, welcome back. To the product, as interesting as it may sound at first, if you are not handicapped in terms of handling a manual lever, I do not see why you would prefer disposable cartridges or a loud pump (you have to recharge) over it. I see once more how ingenious the robot is. For my medium roasts I even prefer results without preheating, and the cleanup is a breeze. If you are not able to handle levers however, it might be a great device, especially if there was a working version of the first concept.

I will stick to my Flair 58+ for the moment. Love that thing!

Perfect intro

This is a great product for people with very little counter space. Hopefully they fix the o-ring thing, because I can see myself getting pretty frustrated with it. Would seriously consider buying it, otherwise!

@greysuit17

Ай бұрын

Agreed

@doc8125

Ай бұрын

to take this to the extreme, this footprint and mechanism would be awesome for something like a camper van where kitchen space is super limited

@veganpotterthevegan

Ай бұрын

Storing CO2 seems like a waste. I'd rather have a picopresso

@veganpotterthevegan

Ай бұрын

​@doc8125 I have a very small camper(built out Subaru Forester) and I occasionally bring my Cafelat Robot. Despite traveling with a bike, I wouldn't wanna carry extra CO2 for my espresso on top of the canisters for my bikes

@ebikecnx7239

Ай бұрын

We will stick with the excellent Wacaco Picopresso

Best for a small kitchen with limited space

Nice little espresso machine! I am also a huge fan of 'silent' espresso! Using a hand pump with some sort of air storage canister (like an empty soda bottle) seems a bit more environmentally friendly, compared to throwing empty Co2 canisters regularly. usually they don't last more than 5-7 shots. Another way is to use a larger refillable!! Co2 canister, like the soda stream canisters! If I am not wrong, nice KRK monitors you have sitting there in the background!

I would like to see a lighter weight version for camping

Very similar to the XBar espresso previously offered on kickstarter; unfortunately never delivered. The design using co2 or a bike pump looks fun and has big potential for pressure profiling on a budget. Great and honest review of the product. Thanks!

as an engineer and designer myself, i designed exactly same mechanism using Co2 bulk before , but the cost, efficiency was so far apart from other products on markets already. unless they make the Co2 cartridge cheaper

I still have a mypressi twist! Though I haven't used it in a long time.

So close to being great! As a picopresso user with no room for a proper machine or flair 58, I will definitely buy one if they replace the o-ring part.

@flawed0007

Ай бұрын

whats wrong with o ring

@MWSJoey

Ай бұрын

I've been so happy with the Picopresso & Sworks gauge. I had backed the Xbar on Kickstarter before getting my picopresso, which was a very similar product to the maespresso that failed to release outside of china. The benefits to the o-ring design are the potential aftermarket extraction baskets and replaceable parts to the portafitler. The original design would eventually fail from the basket deforming.

@vuongnh0607l

Ай бұрын

Get the Aram espresso maker (or the clone from mischief)

I think that I might still like the Nomad a tiny bit more. Both machines are pretty cleaning-heavy once you're done brewing, but the Nomad has a bigger water reservoir. You can also swap between pressurized and non-pressurized portafilter. On the downside though, there's a heck of a lot of plastic involved with the Nomad... There just hasn't been a small, manual espresso brewer that doesn't have some kind of drawback quite yet.

The overall idea and design of this thi g is amazing. It just needs some updates and fine tuning

Love the Grumpy cup. Cafe Grumpy at Grand Central Station was my go to place to pick up beans, and to get an espresso in New York City.

Damn this o-ring situation seems like a deal breaker! I was quite impressed by the concept otherwise.

@KNURKonesur

Ай бұрын

It would be a dealbreaker if the price tag was $599, but it isn't

@veganpotterthevegan

Ай бұрын

​@@KNURKonesurthat tipping point for cost isn't gonna be the same for everyone. I couldn't be paid to deal with this o-ring issue

I would add on to this that the o-ring installation could be greatly improved with a removable insert that insures the o-ring doesn't move during installation. A simple plastic part (easily 3D Printed) would instantly solve this issue. Use it to screw in the bottom part, then remove it once you're done.

@doc8125

Ай бұрын

I'm quite sceptical to 3d printing that comes in contact with something you're going to drink, especially something hot you're going to drink

@damearstor2120

Ай бұрын

There's food safe filaments.​@@doc8125

@Girvo747

Ай бұрын

@@doc8125You would remove it first. No hot water would touch it.

This would work great when camping

The mypressi was my first attempt at decent espresso at home. Unfortunately lacking a good grinder (only commercial options back then), I would often choke the machine. I still have it in my attic, I recently tried with my Niche and, with a good grinder, the mypressi is actually decent.

What's the electric bike pump used? Looking really good and combines well with the machine

Yesterday the Maestri 58 went live and I received an unexpected payment of about the exact amount to cover it. Thanks to your review, though I'll wait for an updated version. I try to avoid buying things that annoy me, whatever their benefits

Great video man!! I've been enjoying using mine... except for that pesky o-ring!!!! Hopeing to have my updated o-ring soon so I can do my review. Keep up the awesome work!!

@aramse

Ай бұрын

Thanks man! I look forward to hearing your thoughts. I got the new o-ring just in time. It’s definitely better but still annoying. My review would have been a lot more negative if they hadn’t shipped this out in time. Haha.

@coffeenerdaaron

Ай бұрын

@@aramse understandable! I was trying to get mine done to coincide with the Kickstarter launch but I really wanted to get the new o-ring and make sure its good before filming. Unfortunately my shipping info got messed up but it sounds like they have another one heading my way.

I love how gadgety it feels, especially when you use cartridges, but I think too much expense went into making it small. For around the same money, I could buy an older breville/sage machine and not need the kettle/grinder and get a more normal portafilter. For a little more (if I was interested in manual), I could get a Flair 58 which has the heated group. All that said, this is a really cool device, and I hope to see more cool tiny espresso setups in the future.

This is so close, so so close to being huge

this is a great travel machine for people who don't fly, I'll have to stick with the Flair though because you can't fly with CO2 cartridges

You should try Staresso SP-300 Mirage Plus but with air pump modification similar to the one used in this Maespresso 58 Pro. Lot of modders in Thailand currently use this modification as an alternative to the original manual pumping provided by Staresso.

Not a fan of creating extra waste with co2 cartridges. Even if hand espresso machines like the flair aren’t as nice to use, I don’t think adding a new cost and waste to making espresso is a great solution. I know you can use a bike pump but then it loses the compactness and you might as well use a flair at that point.

@veganpotterthevegan

Ай бұрын

The Picopresso is even smaller without the waste

I like the idea to use a compressed gas to generate the pressure but would be nice if it's better integrated into a more well rounded machine.

Thanks! Lever machine for me, specifically the Robot. I don’t like the wasted cartridges or the faff of a pump.

I've been considering buying a MAESPRESSO 58 for a while too, but I bought a Finespresso 58, and I'm using it quite satisfactorily. In my opinion, the Finespresso 58 is much more compatible with 58mm than the MAESPRESSO 58 and it's simpler and cheaper.

Can you use a manual bike pump instead of the electric one? A short video about it would be interesting

I would like to see some of the stand alone milk steamers on Amazon etc that appear to be good and would match these manual espresso machines. There is almost zero info on the internet for those aside from the bellman which who wants a stovetop steamer

They could have done a similar housing for the cartridge that is on the portafilter handle.

How does the espresso taste and is it creamy?

I have a Mypressi Twist v2. I enjoyed a lot it until it started leaking pressure as soon as I inserted a cartridge. Unfortunately, it just sits unused in a drawer now. 😟

you'd think they caulked swap a light rubber ring with a plumbing type solid washer that will still seal.

This having its own weird portafilter design instead of using standard e61 style really kills it for me.

Uhm I really like the concept but the o-ring going to wear out fast is they didn't add a seat to keep it in place

Maybe still the Nomad for me

@aramse

Ай бұрын

Great machine

Could you use the tamper to keep the o-ring in place?

@everyones.shadow

Ай бұрын

A slightly smaller tamper, perhaps 57mm?

i would go mad with that o-ring. its just a matter of shaping the ring and ring retainer a bit different and it would have been perfect.

Where you can get the inlet filter and the air pump balloon and how much it costs?

@aramse

17 күн бұрын

Filters come with the device. The pump is an additional cost at the time of purchase.

Seems like you could swap the O-ring with a flat one similar to a Moka Pot. There should be a recess to retain the O-ring in the portafilter body.

@aramse

Ай бұрын

it is flat :) I think they're working on a fix though.

its a comb!!!!!

The Maespresso is a brilliant idea but why couldn't they make an all-metal basket and portafilter, like in the Cafelat Robot? If the Maespresso didn't use silicone I would back it on kickstarter BUT it's incredible to me how the coffee industry refuses to get rid of cancer causing plastics in their machines. Boiling water passing through a silicone basket, shot after shot, can't be healthy. For me, the Cafelat Robot still reigns supreme. C'mon, Maespresso, fix these problems. We are rooting for you.

@LorenzoNW

Ай бұрын

I know that plastics (including Tritan) are potentially carcinogenic but I wasn't aware that silicone is. Do you have any good scientific evidence to support your claim?

@davidhunternyc1

Ай бұрын

What is Silicone? The plastics industry considers silicone a plastic, and so do we, regardless of much of the green marketing claiming it is not a plastic. Technically, silicone could be considered part of the rubber family. But, if you define plastics widely, as we do, silicone is something of a hybrid between a synthetic rubber and a synthetic plastic polymer. Silicone can be used to make malleable rubber-like items, hard resins, and spreadable fluids. We treat silicone as a plastic like any other, given that it has many plastic-like properties: flexibility, malleability, clarity, temperature resistance, water resistance. Like plastic, it can be shaped or formed and softened or hardened into practically anything. But it is a unique plastic because it is much more temperature resistant and durable than most plastics and has a low reactivity with chemicals. And while water resistant, it is also highly gas permeable, making it useful for medical or industrial applications where air flow is required. It's also easy-to-clean, non-stick, and non-staining, making it popular for cookware and kitchen utensils. So what exactly are silicones (or siloxanes, as their backbone chemical structure is called)? Many people seem to think they are a natural material derived directly from sand. Not so. Like any plastic polymer, silicones are synthetic and include a mix of chemical additives derived from fossil fuels. The key difference from the common carbon-based plastics we describe here is that silicones have a backbone made of silicon. It’s important to get the terminology right here, and there are three distinct related substances to understand: Silica: When people say silicones are made of sand, they are not incorrect, though that’s too simplistic a description. Silica-or silicon dioxide-is what they are referring to. Silica is the raw material used to make silicone resins. Beach sand is practically pure silica, as is quartz. Silicon: This is the base element that makes up silica, but silicon is not generally found in nature in this elemental form. It is made by heating silica at very high temperatures with carbon in an industrial furnace. Silicone (siloxane): The silicon is then reacted with fossil fuel-derived hydrocarbons to create the siloxane monomers (alternating silicon + oxygen atoms) which are bonded together into polymers to form the backbone of the final silicone resin. The quality of these silicones can vary greatly depending on the level of purification done. For example, the silicones used to make computer chips are highly purified. Thus, while most plastics have a polymer backbone of hydrogen and carbon, silicones have a backbone made of silicon and oxygen, and hydrocarbon side groups - all of which gives them plastic-like characteristics. Silicone is often used for baby nipples, cookware, bakeware, utensils, and toys. Silicones are also used for insulation, sealants, adhesives, lubricants, gaskets, filters, medical applications (e.g., tubing), casing for electrical components. Is Silicone Safe? Many experts and authorities consider silicone completely safe for food use. For example Health Canada states: "There are no known health hazards associated with use of silicone cookware. Silicone rubber does not react with food or beverages, or produce any hazardous fumes." Scientific American reports that in 1979 the US Food and Drug Administration determined silicon dioxides-the raw material for silicone products-were safe for food-grade applications. However, the first silicone cookware only appeared a decade later (e.g., spatulas) and no follow-up studies were done to assess whether silicone cookware leaches anything potentially harmful. The fact is, there has not been a lot of research done to date on the health effects of silicone. Nonetheless, our own research and review of peer-reviewed scientific studies that have been done indicates we should begin to be cautious about silicone. Silicones are not completely inert or chemically unreactive and can release toxic chemicals. They can leach certain synthetic chemicals at low levels, and the leaching is increased with fatty substances, such as oils. One study tested the release of siloxanes from silicone nipples and bakeware into milk, baby formula and a simulant solution of alcohol and water. Nothing was released into the milk or formula after six hours, but after 72 hours in the alcohol solution several siloxanes were detected. Another study found siloxanes being released from silicone bakeware, with leaching increasing as the food fat content increased. A review of the literature indicated that the key critical effects of common siloxanes, as shown in animal studies, are impaired fertility and potential carcinogenicity (2005 Report by the Danish Ministry of the Environment: Siloxanes - Consumption, Toxicity and Alternatives). The European Union considers certain siloxanes to be endocrine disruptors (Study on enhancing the Endocrine Disruptor priority list with a focus on low production volume chemicals, ENV.D.4/ETU/2005/00w28r) Silicone tubing commonly used for medical applications has been shown to leach several chemicals, including dioctyl phthalate (2006 study in International Journal of Pharmaceutics: Extractables/leachables from plastic tubing used in product manufacturing) Silicone intravenous devices have been shown to leach silicone and cause local inflammation (1999 Study in Archives of Disease in Childhood: Plastic migration from implanted central venous access devices) Silicone is not as inert, stable and chemically unreactive as many claim. Use with caution, and if you can find an alternative, use it. While silicone is durable and has a high temperature resistance, it makes us queasy to be heating food to very high temperatures in a material like silicone which has been shown to leach chemicals and is not completely inert and stable. There are excellent glass, ceramic and stainless steel options for cooking and baking. Yes, we do consider silicones a safer alternative to Teflon and similar non-stick cookware that may have perfluorinated chemicals, but we would opt to use it only when there is really no other choice. We just don’t like the idea of it being subjected to such extreme temperatures while in direct contact with food (often oily food).

@Girvo747

Ай бұрын

@@LorenzoNWThere isn’t any and the dude is talking bollocks.

😮

Maybe sodastream gas bottle?

Find a flat oring with the od same as the one you have , like a mokapot seal ... will fix your problem

@aramse

Ай бұрын

This is flat. Looks like it a combo of softness and width that's causing issues the company is working on a solution.

Like the product but no need for it to use a 58mm. Smaller machines do better with smaller portafilters. Smaller P.F. are easier to tamp and don't need grounds stirring.

Wouldn't NO2 cartridges be a better choice so you're not acidifying your espresso?

What's the new city?

Aramse, have you seen the XBar on kickstarter or other videos here on youtube? It's almost the same as this one: had a successful kickstarter campaign but failed to ship and ghosted its backers after a few months of updates.

@aramse

17 күн бұрын

Yes. I was really interested in the xbar but the conversion I had with the brand sounded dodgy from the get go. I think they launched the campaign before they had a properly functioning product and maybe underestimated the cost of production. This seems different but it’s always a risk with crowdfunding campaigns.

Damn. How did I get deep enough into coffee now that I want this stupid thing. I even have both CO2-cartridges and that same pump. Thank god the o-ring is a complete deal breaker for me.

Neat video, thank you! I do disagree with your comparison with the Flair though. The o-ring issue, the moving the portafilter filled with boiling water, etc. Just seems like all downsides compared to the Flair, imo.

@aramse

Ай бұрын

So her, once the oring is on right you really don't need to think about it. Moving the brimming portafilter is unnerving. I've used the PRO2 pretty much exclusively for 2 years and I think it's a great machine. It's what I learnt to brew espresso on and I have a big soft spot for that brewer but the workflow is a lot more clunky than this is IMO. The assembly, disassembly and clean up are not fun.

there is air tank for tubeless tyre instalation for bikes ;) instead of ruining the planet with co2.

delightful video! i feel rude for pointing it out but isnt the microphone cutting off ur voice abit too abruptly?

@aramse

Ай бұрын

Good ear. It’s a new studio and we’re still sorting out the audio and acoustic treatment. We’ve had to use processing to tame the reverb so some words are being gated too heavily. Should get better in the next one.

@Gunti-vq6vk

Ай бұрын

@@aramse just because I'm spoiled from the old studio sound!

Looks beautiful, but what's wrong with the robot's basket? Why make it so complicated?

@davep9528

Ай бұрын

Definitely seems a lot more work than the Robot to me, I find the workflow very easy

So fundamentally a new mypressi twist - personally the use of such isn’t good for airtravel and environmental reasons I owned it, fun could be a pita, probably with having to soak it in water multiple times in preheating, some plastic tendency to break and sometimes there wasn’t more then one shot in it so you lost a shot of coffee. When it worked it made nice coffee with more developed roast it couldn’t really handle the light as it lacked the temperature for it. Also had the O-ring issue

just get a used la pavoni and clean it up. much better value IMHO.

Buy link please

@aramse

17 күн бұрын

In the description

this reviewer looks like a younger version of Raghunath with less jokes

Form over function. I’ll still with old school electric and water tank machine.

is there a reason behind your turrle coffee bean profile pic

@aramse

Ай бұрын

Slow coffee :) It's our company logo.

@umarlatiff9595

Ай бұрын

@@aramse oh! that's cool! very simple and apt ^^

That basket design is a big no no

Have you ever tried a real bicycle pump? A floor pump.

@mikkisdiyobsessions3742

Ай бұрын

If you use an intermediary pressure storage canister, you can pre pressure it with a hand air pump. Keeps you fit as well!

What's wrong with electricity? CO2 cartridges really aren't eco friendly, they make Nespresso capsules look green. I'm a cyclist, the idea of using my bike pump to make my coffee isn't exactly appealing. And these electric bike pumps are obnoxiously loud, and run on battery so inevitably you'll forget to charge it and won't be able to make coffee that day. For such a gadget, it's expensive too, although I can understand where the money goes if it's all metal. What I don't understand is why something like this needs to exist when there are so many cheap Italian electric machines that work just fine.

What a pain to use, no thank you. Will stick with leaver machine for now.

It’s a bit troublesome to use , i think there are many things more practical than that , it’s a shame……

Thanks but no, thanks.👎👎