I have nothing to do with this industry. Why I watch this shit is beyond me. But now I know I can either do this or "face mill"? It. I feel smarter and that's all that matters. Edit: gave myself a thumbs up to show support.

@definitelydipper595

8 ай бұрын

Yes, but taking off an inch of material with a face mill either takes a long time or is very violent on inserts. Using an end mill is much quicker. You can use the end mill to get close to your finish size, then face mill a small cut (.010”-.020”) to create a nice smooth finish

@narrowgoat-scout

8 ай бұрын

I'm not into cars... but I know every last peice of a rotary engine and how they go together 😂

@chadmaurer4002

8 ай бұрын

@@Tor_sion congratulation on missing the point.

@irabuchholz2691

8 ай бұрын

really the best way to do this is buy the correct sized stock and not waste a good 60 bucks of aluminum, buy the proper size, face it and true up the sides

@ShitThatsMyn

8 ай бұрын

@@chadmaurer4002 there wasn't a point. Titans are fixing non-existing issue.

Perfect trick if your job is to make aluminium shavings out of aluminium blocks.

@CedarPerformance

7 ай бұрын

my thoughts exactly lol

@BugBestieLily

7 ай бұрын

pfftt yea i was thinking the same thing like what tf is he making

@yannickoepcke1568

7 ай бұрын

Tell me U dont know anything about mashining, without saying it....

@gmodiscool14

7 ай бұрын

@@yannickoepcke1568mashining what, potatoes?

@bhemy_398

7 ай бұрын

@@yannickoepcke1568educate us, please

Good trick but I prefer band saw for that big part removal. Than I face mill it. 😊

@edgarf2091

8 ай бұрын

A man of culture

@MarioAPN

8 ай бұрын

Yes, yes.

@colestreit1500

8 ай бұрын

I mean... it would make sense, right? Now you have a big piece of metal to use instead of shavings

@johannapoder2843

8 ай бұрын

😂😂😂 not fast nor accurate or cheaper

@easttexasengineering3489

8 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same thing brother. Most people will just start off with a smaller billet 😜

I just witnessed a removal of a large piece of metal, for no reason. Awesome technic.

@Peron1-MC

8 ай бұрын

to be fair thats usually how demonstrations work XD well the reason is to show how to do things correctly XD ”you get no points thank you for playing”

@LostOnceLefthanded

7 ай бұрын

@@Peron1-MC If he machined a real part it would be obvious why this trick is not very practical most of the time. Imagine doing that for every face of the part in question. That's so much unnecessary fiddling that it defeats the whole purpose.

@Peron1-MC

7 ай бұрын

@@LostOnceLefthanded ”most of the time” are the key words. this is nothing compaired to a real production run. you either start off with a cast part and mill it from there or you start from a solid block of (often aluminium) and remove everything that isnt the finished parts. the scraps are 100% recyclable in the case of aluminium being the metal being milled. this is very much a thing you could come across in production. just as an example there are companies that make cnc rims for cars starting from a solid block. like 80-90% percent is wasted and recycled.

@Peron1-MC

7 ай бұрын

@@NikosKrepeniotis wow you got me. i dont know how i will survive this burn. XD

@LostOnceLefthanded

7 ай бұрын

@@Peron1-MC I'll take your word for it. I don't do this for work even if i have the basic training for it.

Customer: why is my part $15,000? Shop: machine time and materials

@nandorfarkas6885

5 ай бұрын

Meanwhile me, an intellectual: “why don’t you just cut this down to size?”

OR, cut the part if you only need half

@usersixthreefour7107

8 ай бұрын

Honestly tho, so much waste of time, money, and metal

@Gottenhimfella

8 ай бұрын

(sigh) It's illustrating a principle. This face might be on a large component with other upstanding features around it. I get why people want to dump on this channel because much of what they feature is empty promotional fluff, but this for once is worthwhile, because apart from the specific fix, it illustrates a broadly applicable problem solving technique. (using several of the usual "substitute, combine, adapt, magnify/minimise, put to other uses, eliminate, reverse" categories)

@clipso9061

8 ай бұрын

@@Gottenhimfella hey redditor, the point is null and void you can’t provide practical examples. this is why we hate fabrication down in engineering

@Gottenhimfella

8 ай бұрын

@@clipso9061 "This face might be on a large component with other upstanding features around it." Were you too cool for school, or is there another reason for your seemingly impaired comprehension skills?

@napaisava

8 ай бұрын

​@clipso9061 alright, here's one. I work in an aerospace shop. This means LOTS of massive cavities needing to be machined out, contributing to a massive amount of total time. You can't face it, you can't bandsaw it, you need a smaller tool than a 2" shell mill for this type of operation. This is precisely one of the solutions. When your finished part is 10% of the minimum stock box's weight, you take a lot of time in cavities.

OR... use a facemill to face mill parts. 👍

@ipadize

8 ай бұрын

that would be too easy

@mikefresca2758

8 ай бұрын

Drill a hole, plunge an end mill, work from the inside out.. or you can justify the paycheck of the guy who writes the code

@khanhduytran3129

8 ай бұрын

Too fast and easy

@KnoxGTX

8 ай бұрын

The metal removal rate is faster with endmills these days…

@ipadize

8 ай бұрын

@@mikefresca2758 but then it needs to be a flat bpttom endmill or your flutes will get destroyed

guys, of course this is not the best way to do this specific operation. It's meant to teach a way to avoid creating a single pin sticking out of a part that would be dangerous/time consuming to remove

@Noconstitutionfordemocrats1

8 ай бұрын

Dangerous/time-consuming? Not completely fucking up your project?

@alessandropolo7257

8 ай бұрын

@@Noconstitutionfordemocrats1 danger... of completely fucking up your project, yes

@MischaKavin

8 ай бұрын

As a beginner, having a less simplified application would be massive though. I came into it with all the wrong assumptions about what we were even trying to accomplish

@alessandropolo7257

8 ай бұрын

@@MischaKavin did you feel this way even with the longer video?

@MischaKavin

8 ай бұрын

@@alessandropolo7257 I forget that you can click through shorts tbh. I mostly do it by accident. The full vid made it clearer that it was an exercise, but without a deep pocket or something, I started out assuming that pin at the centre was an intended feature on the finished part. It's an interesting demo now that I understand it, and it got me thinking about order of operations, but I don't know when I would need to be hogging off the entire side of a part that deep, in one pass, right up to the shank of the cutter.

The center pillar of death has gotten us all. Much love

@fahd122.

8 ай бұрын

FREE 🇵🇸

@LeviHinds-ux8rj

8 ай бұрын

If you know you know 😂

@cody7259

8 ай бұрын

@@fahd122. the Philistines are the invaders in the Jewish homeland. Complaining that Israel is fighting back is like people getting outraged that the US fought back against the Japanese after Pearl Harbor

@CNNBlackmailSupport

8 ай бұрын

Can you help me understand what the problem is? The end result looks the same to me. My best guess is that the snapping pillar causes a gouge in the surface.

@palms4291

8 ай бұрын

@@CNNBlackmailSupportthe problem is the tall slug that gets smaller and smaller the closer you get to the centre of the toolpath… at which point it becomes so thin that it can’t withstand the force from the cutter. And when it snaps it can either break the cutter, pull it out the holder slightly, or as you suggested; ding the surface. I just slow the feed down when starts whining. I’ve had a few tool break when left with a rectangular slug, so leave a bigger boundary then tram it off with a face mill/ end mill. This video is a useful too that I for one will try.

My brain is just like ‘why not cut it?’

It makes me cry a little when I see that much material being milled away because of how much steel and aluminum cost. 😢

@rage2476

8 ай бұрын

Agreed this boiled my blood to see the waste. Seems like a tip to get you fired.

@counterscam6547

8 ай бұрын

Aluminum and steel are both completely recyclable, so if they do recycle it would be fine.

@rage2476

8 ай бұрын

@counterscam6547 and how much energy is required to gather sort, clean and melt the scrap into a new form? Recycling is not like respawning in a video game. It comes at a cost. That type of attitude towards Recycling is the reason people believe electric vehicles are a magic bullet. Treat everything you own like it's the last one you will ever have, you'd be amazed how much less you consume/waste.

@thewhitefalcon8539

8 ай бұрын

​​​@@rage2476recycling metal is actually very good but reducing waste is still better

@Nameentered

8 ай бұрын

It can be melted down. Not like it just gets thrown away

Neat solution. Not very common to just mill off this much excess material

@squatchhammer7215

8 ай бұрын

I wonder if it's for deep pockets that is needed for. Still would get a flat bottom drill and leave around .025 thou above and quick helical mill to rough depth and start hogging out material.

@babygorilla4233

8 ай бұрын

​@@squatchhammer7215what are either of you talking about this is an exaggerated demo. You'd never mill 2 inches off of an entire face like this.

@squatchhammer7215

8 ай бұрын

@@babygorilla4233 Ah you just committed the ultimate dummy move. You NEVER KNOW WHEN YOU WILL NEED TO.

@wildbill7756

8 ай бұрын

​@@babygorilla4233maybe not on the first side setup of a part. But definitely for a second side setup where you have the excess stock you would have used for work holding (all depends on the size of the part of course). "But take it to the saw"....right, assuming you have a saw big enough to cut your excess stock, now you are paying someone to run a different machine (that may already be in use, or could be used by someone else), and increasing the number of times the part is handled, which is never a good thing. And this High Efficiency Machining technique utilizes constant tool engagement, so less wear on tools/inserts as opposed to a face mill. (Not that there aren't times the face mill does make more sense to use) It most definitely has it's place in the machining world.

@wildbill7756

8 ай бұрын

​@@squatchhammer7215I won't hold it against him, he's just a baby after all.

Bandsaw enters the chat..

Funny thing is that it still broke and flew off but was just hollow on the inside😂😂

@wildbill7756

8 ай бұрын

Though true, it's breaking off more of a foil type slug as opposed to a 1/4" pin.

@Gottenhimfella

8 ай бұрын

@@wildbill7756 It's also only one step high every time it breaks, so it doesn't present anything like the same propensity to screw with the flutes.

@seratarsybagusibrahim5018

7 ай бұрын

That sounds just like me

A long time ago 1995 I was machining some titanium engine mounts for geae and we had a 2 2" deep pockets. Traditional MC pocket routine wasn't working well and was killing the job. I created a surface out of the bottom of the pocket with a circle radiating from center of pocket to each endpoint of pocket. Breaking the circle at intersection of line from center to said endpoint. Using MC I created a Surface synchronized from circle to pocket. I ran a cut on surface using whatever the single surface cut was and created geometry out of that tool path I edited the geometry to include the center of our pre drilled hole. I sent that tool path to MC and asked them to make a pocket routine that mimics cut. That tool path routine became Morph which is what you demonstrated in this video. I really enjoyed your demonstration and find all your tips well done. Just wanted to share some origin of that tool path.

Im so glad Wreck it Ralph was able to show us how to fix this!

I'm in the bandsaw camp, but this does kinda show proof of concept. Could probably just chuck that piece in the lathe and part it if you like adventure.

In the mold business we keep a lot of tapered cutters around. Achieves the same result with less code, Orr in a prod environment, time.

A secret technique passed down through generations, Some even call it heretical. They call it "Spending an extra 30sec to do a job right"

Drill: "Am I a joke to you?"

@grxve___

8 ай бұрын

Drilling that is stupid and a waste of time

@MrLuvtheUSA

8 ай бұрын

@@grxve___Drilling is the most efficient way to remove material. Period. Especially with modern insert or indexable drills. A 3/4 indexable flat bottom drill would’ve punched that center hole in about 2.3 seconds. Any machinists worth his salt should know that

@oliverberglas4188

7 ай бұрын

​@@MrLuvtheUSAthats not their point..

Edgecam has a feature for dynamic roughing called "prevent chipping" and it actually alters the toolpath to never leave slivers or nubs. Other than that, Edgecam pretty much sucks.

Actually I'm a QC, but this is interesting.

@LilSkinnyFat

8 ай бұрын

So you’re lazy and don’t do shit for most of the day is what you’re telling me 😂

That kick was worth watching this 😂

Good job solving the problem you created

First way much better of course. But the best way to do it, is high feed mill

@treysmith3170

8 ай бұрын

But what if you combined dynamic and high feed? Probably slower but I'm curiouss

That just seems like a waste of material. Maybe get smaller stock to not run into that problem.

@altrover9930

8 ай бұрын

Not every job is about milling 2mm from top

@Rossco139

8 ай бұрын

It's just a representation of the problem. Obviously no one is going to be doing EXACTLY this. But if, for example, you're working on a large, complex peice that happens to need a large portion of material milled off like this, then it's a very useful technique.

@jacobgreene7340

8 ай бұрын

Good point.

@Cepterman

8 ай бұрын

It’s not a waste of material, you can just melt the excess again into a new block. Though the method he uses seems to be pretty inefficient.

@larkalfen9510

8 ай бұрын

​@@altrover9930depends on what customer or employer provides For instance we on some materials have either 5 or 10 mm in diameter and length is too 5 or 10 mm .

That little piece in the center was foil thin, super satisfying

I have been a cnc programmer and machinist for almost 30 years now and because of that I really dont use true mill or dynamic milling too much. In the near future I am planning to utilize this more and more however I never thought of this happening. Thankyou for showing me this because you saved me from having a bad day. Learned something new thankyou.

you should add link to full video either in description or in comment section

@brandonsheets1883

8 ай бұрын

Why does this guy sound exactly like John C Reilly?

Many people are criticizing this operation, thinking it's pointless and that nobody will actually do it. However, the video is demonstrating a method for handling a similar situation. It's like a Chinese man showing you how to hold a bean with chopsticks, and you're asking, "Why not spoon?" So let's say you've got a way bigger piece of stock, but you need to do the same thing to it. This 2" tall square slot is gonna be just a tiny part of that big piece. You still gonna use a face mill for that?

@user-yp6kz4rj6k

8 ай бұрын

Sure, you do you. You can use whatever method you like. I'm just here sharing my two cents.

@F0rMyS

8 ай бұрын

"This 2" tall square slot is gonna be" completely different toolpath. If I understand you correctly.

That is so unbelievably satisfying to watch.

That was some great editing 👌

Why not saw it off ?

@dukereguardless1720

8 ай бұрын

Really depends on material. Is it worth using a saw and dozens of blades, bands and discs just to dispose of 1kg of material? Its also time consuming in the sense you can set this and forget about it, do something else... and be productive at the same time. Sometimes efficiency is key.

@MagnetOnlyMotors

8 ай бұрын

@@dukereguardless1720 then also you have an off cut of material . I guess in a production shop where expense and material isn’t a personal concern , then who would care .

@wildbill7756

8 ай бұрын

Imagine the stock is a 20 inch or 50 inch block, not the small block here, and you are also machining the second operation side. A shop might not have a saw large enough to fit the part to remove the excess stock.

@MagnetOnlyMotors

8 ай бұрын

@@wildbill7756 I understand what you mean there, Bill. My exforeman came from a steel working place and did the same stuff. Where we were , it was wasteful to do that, cause often a small off cut was just fine. With him sometimes we had to wait a week to get more metal. Obviously it depends on the place, availability and urgency. Have a good day, sir .

@wildbill7756

8 ай бұрын

@MagnetOnlyMotors I know when I have extra stock like this on my second operation, it's most likely because I needed the extra material for more rigidity during my first op, whether it be for better clamping force in a vise, or for giving added support to material that over hangs the vise jaws or is installed on a pallet smaller than the stock. Our customers also care about outside surface finish, so we finish outside surfaces from 1 side as much as possible to avoid trying to blend cuts (which never works out perfect). So I would need the extra stock so I can finish the full profile of the part. Of course using as little extra stock is always end goal. So as you said, everyone has their own circumstances. Good day to you as well.

I am about to get a job doing this top of work. I feel so blessed. Can't wait to learn all this stuff!

@Black__hoodie

8 ай бұрын

If you are serious about it some of the best ways is to either go to a trade school or find a company that will actually train you and not just enough for the job. I went to a trade school in 2021 at 22 I was making $28 in the Midwest to get you a level pay I that is with 4 years for on job experience and 2 years of that being aerospace

@tennesseehighclass3373

8 ай бұрын

@@Black__hoodie the dude that owns the business told me to come on anytime and they would teach me. The business is RMI out of Blountville Tennessee.

@thetoecutter13

4 ай бұрын

You poor bastard....

And here was me thinking we were trying to avoid that little rod being broken off 😂😂

I actually found a use for this today and probably wouldn’t have thought of it without this, thanks. I had a 316 part that I was holding way out there and couldn’t face mill because of working. This worked out perfectly.

I love it! That is the kind of clip that could motivate get a guy who doesnt know what CNC is to become an expert machinist

That cut to the guy hitting the fence post. That was great.

Lmao, that dude missing the punchingbag got me!

I finally got home and had work stuff recommended to me on YT lol

Sometimes machinists inspire me more than engineers

Thank you KZread algorithm, I really needed to see this

Dude knows his shit! Hands down! RIP Uncle John! 🙏🙏🙏

It makes me sad how little people understand what you guys are doing and why you're doing it... The knowledge and techniques that you guys willingly share FOR FREE is unbelievable! THANK YOU for not putting this knowledge beyond a pay or experience barrier.

That dude kicking the fence post was hilarious

This is clean job sir. And people dont appriciate that, u deserve more subs.

I love your work with Brandon

Not quite sure I understand the premise here since this situation would never be possible. I get this is attempting to show a technique, but even non-flat surfacing operations, you could just use a more standard path to avoid all but a burr on an edge. Or more importantly, you'd start from the center and cut outward for any interior cavity anyway. Also yes, a face mill would be a standard second tool in a CNC operation anyway. If you were clearing this much material, you'd dedicate separate tools for rough operations to start, for both lathe and mill.

NX CAM has a feature for this which you can activate with a click on a tick box.

Goos thing I don‘t work mechanical production. But I do always appreciate the oddly satisfying work they do when I assemble stuff that they made. Sometimes I also wonder just how in the world they made something.

6 seconds into the video, my brain: "..I T ' S D A R E" Iykyk

@Bassalicious

7 ай бұрын

*_uhh_* - bass ensues

Thank you! Looks great!

Shocking: Machinist figures out how not to snap shit off when cutting stuff

why did i imagine him saying “What in oblivion is that!” at the beginning

The dood that kicks the fence looks like a friend of mine 😂😂😂😂😂

Gotta love these little tip shorts.

Lots of ways to skin a cat, but the cheapest way to remove stock like that is with a big drill on center. Not a criticism, just a food for thought kind of thing. Definitely love you guys, and what you're doing for our industry. Take care

@wildbill7756

8 ай бұрын

Unless you don't want to buy/wear the drill, use a separate tool holder for the drill, take time to setup the drill in the tool holder with collets and pull studs, have enough tool pockets for the drill, or just want to eliminate a tool change depending on how long that process might take. I'll also assume you mean a self centering drill that doesn't need a spot. Otherwise your tooling cost/usage is going up again, and so are pockets needed, tool changes and cycle time. I'm not saying drilling it isn't a great option, it just might not be the "cheapest"

FINALLY! I can dust off my old CNC precision drilling/boring/wtfisthat tool from underneath my bathroom sink! This is the tip I was born to find!!!! Thanks youtube!!!

That dude who missed the punching bag while attempting that muay thai shin strike caused my whole body to shutter while cringing to it, oof

This man sounds like John c Reilly

I’ll never have to worry bout that

Brillant advice.

He's so cute coming in yelling WHAT IS THAT?!

I feel like wreck it Ralph is giving me a lesson

Got to love my MARVELsaw. Eighteen by Eighteen inch window you can put to forty five degree.

The torque on these things must be insane

I rewatched just to see old boy kick the fence

Thank you, John c Reilly !

Cool trick. I will have to remember this.

I wasn’t even looking at my screen, I thought I was listening to John C Reilly. That is uncanny.

The school i went to had us do a lot of manual stuff and from that perspective a band saw will save you a lot of time.

Love it Is a Great solution. And you only have to Edit it a Little bit and your work gets a Very good Finish with the Fräser 👌 Love this Greetings from Germany

I now feel like I certify to do whatever this is

Cool trick. I haven’t thought of that. Thank You. I will surely remember that. I am 65 years old though. I’m also just beginning to learn machining.

Me never having done computer assisted machining: Yes, this is the way.

I feel wise like an old man now. It’s powerful

Thanks for showing us what a 16 year old in a shop class with enough time to discover their machine can figure out.

@Bumbobdoodle

5 ай бұрын

Don’t know what shop class there in that allows them to use such big pieces of aluminum. With 1-2 years of experience😂 Best your gonna get is setting up mills or lathes, programming, edge finding, touching tools off, blueprint reading, etc.

I wasn't looking at this at first and thought John C Reilly was doing a voice over

thank you for the educational vudeo! take care and god bless you!

Oo. Thanks for the tip. Ill use this one

Good tip. Thanks ❤

we love Tennessee floor finish

Nice tip!

Or hear me out, just drill a hole in the center of the part. It's a lot faster than interpolating it out with an endmill.

@babygorilla4233

8 ай бұрын

Actually I think the tapering is pretty important when the cutter comes in the top of it goes to foil first so when it gets to the bottom there's nothing.

@equesvulpes9686

8 ай бұрын

that's 1 more tool change. 2 if you don't have self centering drills, so its a much bigger waste of time, and you wont have a flat at the bottom unlike an endmill.

Nobody’s gunna talk about the shirt saying “CNC” lol

Am I the only one more interested in the fence kick video?

great explain. Learned

Cool idea, but I'm not sure I've ever had this problem. The only reason I'd be using that sort of path would be an internal pocket, in which case the core would have been drilled/milled in advance and would mill outwards. If needed that much meat off the top, it would be either sawn, facemilled, or just flip the A axis round 90 and side cut it off.

@bryantburns3664

2 ай бұрын

Thank you

@bryantburns3664

2 ай бұрын

Perfect explanation

The saw doesn't leave any pins and saves the excess material instead of turning it into shavings.

Dang its like u guys have done it once or twice before. Nice

Cool. Thanks for sharing.

Thats brilliant.

So, maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about, but it seems to me that if you need to make a cut like that, there are a lot easier ways to hog off that material.

เป็นกำลังใจให้นะครับ 😂😂😂

Good trick, I’ll remember this the next time I work with million dollar equipment

Nice cam trick

It's ASMR to watch this stuff

Bro sacrificed a block for that

Amazing how many people don’t know about dynamic milling

I don’t know what’s happening, I don’t know what problem has been solved but the cnc machine does look cool