Machine Drill a Square Hole in Round Stock

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This is how I "drilled" a 1/4" square hole in round stock.
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  • @housekilla457
    @housekilla4572 жыл бұрын

    The aspect of “need a tool, make a tool” was always something I enjoyed about metal working.

  • @howardosborne8647
    @howardosborne86473 жыл бұрын

    Crafty old fox technique here. I never thought of forming a square or rectangle in round stock with this method. If it was silver soldered or brazed it would have near as much integrity as if made from a solid piece. Today,I found myself enlightened by an old school shop teacher👏👏

  • @waynespyker5731

    @waynespyker5731

    3 жыл бұрын

    Silver soldering is a great idea. I think I would widen the slot width above the 1/4" square opening to 0.315" for a 0.312" filler blank. EDIT 1: The 1/32 land on each side establishes the 1/4 opening, any silver solder closing the opening would need to be filed away (silver solder tends to fillet radius sharp corners and gaps per your supplies and torch skills). EDIT 2: A dovetailed filler slot could be endmilled above the 1/4" opening with a reverse taper one lunger cutter for silver soldering a dovetail filler piece. Any sidewall could be drilled and tapped into the 1/4" opening for a setscrew(s). No cross pins, HSS blank or aluminum shim would be would be required. This procedure could be used to form an opening across the diameter with a 1/4" wide slitting cutter in a Bridgeport. Shop made boring bar?

  • @howardosborne8647

    @howardosborne8647

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@waynespyker5731 I think the technique I'd use would be raise the end mill to half depth in the slot and machine an extra few thou from either side of the slot. That gives you the ideal gap for braze/silver solder fillet but leaves the lower half the slot tight on the insert piece for accurate location. It would also prevent any silver solder from running through into the square hole area.

  • @HughesMotorized
    @HughesMotorized2 жыл бұрын

    How in the hell could anyone give this a thumbs down? This man is gold. Thank you for sharing!

  • @mrpete222

    @mrpete222

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much for your support

  • @zdenkotudor

    @zdenkotudor

    Жыл бұрын

    @@mrpete222 Yes! This is so educational and information not readily come by on the internet. Seems like this can only be learnt from those who've been around!

  • @Raul28153

    @Raul28153

    Жыл бұрын

    They prolly thought there was some slick trick to get a drill to do a square hole. It is what he h advertised; "Drill a square hole." Maybe they just don't get his sense of humor.

  • @StanErvin-yo9vl

    @StanErvin-yo9vl

    10 ай бұрын

    ​​​@@Raul28153 : More than one way to skin One.

  • @abcaabca6364

    @abcaabca6364

    5 ай бұрын

    Maybe because he goes on and on at the start. We know what he should be trying do from the title, Or else we wouldn't be here.

  • @jessechristopherson4334
    @jessechristopherson43342 жыл бұрын

    I love watching old timers teach neat tricks. It’s alway enjoyable to watch someone who is passionate about their trade!!!

  • @mrpete222

    @mrpete222

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much

  • @bobm6527
    @bobm65273 жыл бұрын

    I loved how you started the video with "you can buy a $150 broach or use this method", then ended the video with "you can build this with twenty thousand dollars worth of machinery or just buy a $150 broach"

  • @riccardoscavo8485

    @riccardoscavo8485

    3 жыл бұрын

    Pure contradiction in turn. Why spend $150 when you can do it for less! But, you need to spend $20K on machinery first to do it! That sounds a bit Irish to me. So go and buy a $150 broach instead giving you a saving of 19,850 a bargain

  • @andyg.8971

    @andyg.8971

    3 жыл бұрын

    A rose index costs $149 - same price as the broach

  • @billyjack8119

    @billyjack8119

    3 жыл бұрын

    I saw the video pop up and right away i thought you would drill it and broach it. I never really thought of doing it this way to be honest about it.

  • @inactive67

    @inactive67

    3 жыл бұрын

    Just another way to skin a cat. Knowledge is good.

  • @CrusaderSports250

    @CrusaderSports250

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@andyg.8971 But so very useful for so many other things, have struggled in the past making square square pins this would have made things a lot easyer, and accurate.

  • @whydahell3816
    @whydahell38163 жыл бұрын

    I love being a machinist for 26yrs and watching tricks from older machinists at our shop we tell the young guys to never make a man mad at you because he'll never show you any of his tricks!

  • @petersack5074

    @petersack5074

    3 жыл бұрын

    FOR SURE...use copper when removing a broken bolt/stud in metal piece, around and inside the hole....then , mig weld to the stud, (slowest rate) and remove. copper wont weld.....and separates the main metal, from the arc.....

  • @creamshop
    @creamshop2 жыл бұрын

    at the mature age of 57 years old i have never had an idol in my life but mrpete would qualify as a potential candidate, he is a pot of gold of fabrication knowledge.

  • @mrpete222

    @mrpete222

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very very much

  • @stevenhampton4393
    @stevenhampton43932 жыл бұрын

    I am a remedial machinist - it's obvious this guy is a master. Thanks for the great tutorial !

  • @ellisc.foleyjr9778
    @ellisc.foleyjr97783 жыл бұрын

    Well now I know what a Rose index is and how to use it! great idea, and even at 78 I'm still learning things thank you for taking the time to show us young'ins a thing or two. "Whats that old adage, "You're never too old to learn" I just proved that. thanks again.

  • @larrythompson2967

    @larrythompson2967

    Ай бұрын

    As a long retired machinist, we never had a "rose index", we had to make do with a V block and angle gauges.

  • @northchaser5163
    @northchaser51633 жыл бұрын

    Regarding the loctite on the inner surfaces of the insert. That would actually help pretty substantially. As a general rule (or so my mechanical engineering professors told me), adhesives are most effective in compression and shear stress scenarios, but less so in tension. Trying to slide that insert out would be pure shear which would be among the ideal scenarios for an adhesive. Additionally, all that extra surface area would distribute the force too (meaning less shear stress) thus it would take even more force to break it out.

  • @normtheteacher5485
    @normtheteacher54852 жыл бұрын

    I now know what a rose index is. Of course the manufactures and retailers of rose indexes never make videos like these for the public and they are supposed to be the ones that inform the public about their products. Thanks for doing what they should do.

  • @herbholmberg4474
    @herbholmberg44742 ай бұрын

    This was one of the most ingenious shop videos I have ever seen! In particular, I loved the Rose gage!

  • @mrpete222

    @mrpete222

    2 ай бұрын

    Thank you very much, it almost went viral

  • @herbholmberg4474

    @herbholmberg4474

    2 ай бұрын

    @mrpete222 I think it did go viral! Tons of chatter found on hobbyist web sites about this one!

  • @erth2man
    @erth2man3 жыл бұрын

    That Rose Index looks like a tool that an apprentice machinist would be requited to make while learning skills. They would ultimately add this item to their tool collection and use over their entire career.

  • @NIGHTSTALKER0069
    @NIGHTSTALKER00693 жыл бұрын

    If only we all had shop teachers like this.

  • @MrSkinnyn71

    @MrSkinnyn71

    3 жыл бұрын

    No kidding.

  • @vernonsteinkamp1088

    @vernonsteinkamp1088

    3 жыл бұрын

    I took machining courses in Jr. College and had seasoned instructors like this guy. I only worked as a machinist for 2 years then quit because my boss was such an a hole and I believed the whole industry would be like my boss.

  • @jiwbink
    @jiwbink Жыл бұрын

    I REALISE THIS VIDEO IS NOT THAT NEW,BUT MR PETE,YOU NEVER CEASE TO AMAZE AND IMPRESS!! I AS THINKING ABOUT SIX DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. I MUST CONFESS,I DIDNT THINK OF HOW YOU ACTUALLY DID THIS ... WELL DONE! IM NOT A MACHINIS. I DID SPEND NEARLY 25 YEARS AS A CERTIFIED WELDER/IRONWORKER AND CUSTOM SHOP FABRICATION. THERE ARE SOME VERY TALENTED INDIVIDUALS AND LITERALLY JAW DROPPING TRICKS,IF ONE IS WILLING TO APPLY THEMSELVES!! YOUR VIDEOS ARE ALMOST ALWAYS VERY INTERESTING AND YOUR WRY,DRY SENSE OF HUMOR IS A HUGE BONUS!! THANKS SO MUCH FOR LETTING US HAVE A PEEP IN YOUR LITTLE CORNER OF THE SHOP!!

  • @mrpete222

    @mrpete222

    Жыл бұрын

    👍👍👍

  • @greensun1334
    @greensun13343 жыл бұрын

    ...there are so many Methods in in this Job - you could never learn enough from the older Machinists! 👍🏻

  • @johndebrita9013
    @johndebrita90133 жыл бұрын

    Great. Now I have to buy a Rose Index.

  • @gofastwclass

    @gofastwclass

    3 жыл бұрын

    I thought the same thing.

  • @howardosborne8647

    @howardosborne8647

    3 жыл бұрын

    Make a Rose indexer. Pretty simple machining project.

  • @rstebb311

    @rstebb311

    3 жыл бұрын

    Or just use a v-block

  • @trollforge

    @trollforge

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@rstebb311 that is fine for this project where you only nee 90deg, but the Rose gives you 30, 45, 60 & 90deg.

  • @johnm840

    @johnm840

    3 жыл бұрын

    On my shopping list. nice tool.

  • @oldwrench4213
    @oldwrench42133 жыл бұрын

    Old machinists trick. A lost art. Thank you for reminding me of this!

  • @johnbesharian9965

    @johnbesharian9965

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yep. Those "Old Machinist's" were a "Tricky Lot". One thing my dad, "They call me a 'Tool Maker', but not by 'East Coast' standards" said [we're from New England] at the shop in Santa Monica, Ca in '62 was that if you walked away from the machine, back off a 0.001" before you start in again because everything has cooled down and changed dimensions. He did this on an old, non-numerical read out, manual (dial only) Bridgeport Mill and could work +0.00003"/0.0000.0" tolerances all day long.

  • @JamesDoylesGarage
    @JamesDoylesGarage2 жыл бұрын

    I'm just 15. Dad bought me a Milling machine instead of a Video Game player. So I got use to enjoy these kind of video's instead of some one playing a video game lol. Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge.

  • @mrpete222

    @mrpete222

    2 жыл бұрын

    That is wonderful, you have a great dad

  • @rmllcvideo

    @rmllcvideo

    2 жыл бұрын

    Congrats on your interests. Stick with it and you will have all sorts of opportunities. Machinists are getting hard to come by and many of us in the trade are bombarded with work. Best of luck to you and your endeavors.

  • @paulmohney5715
    @paulmohney57153 жыл бұрын

    never had a chance tolearn any of tis, but i love watching somebody proficient at thier trade work, especially watching someone make something out of thin air. thanks for the show Mr. Pete C-ya again

  • @mrpete222

    @mrpete222

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks

  • @deanberglund2332
    @deanberglund23323 жыл бұрын

    Thanks. I miss machining. I did it in High School and for a few years, I had a friend that had a machine shop in his basement but he has since passed away. I was a lathe operator for 11 months after I got out of high school but decided to change my profession and became an HVAC technician. I always loved machining and miss it. I really enjoyed watching you do this project. Thanks again.

  • @brucewaynemd1270
    @brucewaynemd12703 жыл бұрын

    Dear Mr. Pete This video was my very first of your channel. I say that it is my very first in the sense that I have just begun to Learn metalworking and machining after a long career in medicine. I find it to be absolutely an art of precision and of patients/patience. I truly find it fascinating to be able to create something and I find it extremely soothing and truly do appreciate the time you take to put into your videos to help novices is like myself. Thank you so much for your quality content Cheers Mike from Philadelphia

  • @mrpete222

    @mrpete222

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for watching. Enjoy your new craft

  • @goober1973
    @goober19733 жыл бұрын

    Best shop teacher ever. Period!

  • @mrpete222

    @mrpete222

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much

  • @itanc1
    @itanc13 жыл бұрын

    Mr pete, you are the dood, dood. When the day is long, the pay is low, the wife is stressed and the kids are too much, your videos restore balance to my mind. Thank you once again. Take care

  • @mrpete222

    @mrpete222

    3 жыл бұрын

    Well said

  • @kenny5174
    @kenny51743 жыл бұрын

    That Rose Index, would be a pretty decent shop project. Would work in lots of places that a hex collet holder would not.. Good video.

  • @josephpetito1351

    @josephpetito1351

    3 жыл бұрын

    Good shop project for students-they walk away from class with something useful.

  • @G58

    @G58

    3 жыл бұрын

    It’s patented. The inventor commented above.

  • @AntiVaganza

    @AntiVaganza

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@G58 Still, patents don't limit someone from making one for his own private use. It protects against other people monitizing the idea. That does indeed rule out a lot of users, but just saying. And whilst I give cudos to the inventor, when I saw it in the video I was sure that tool was a really old one. It's mind buggling that in the world of machining this no one has come up with this earlier.

  • @Turbo2Pete

    @Turbo2Pete

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@G58 that doesn't prevent you from making a copy for yourself - only from selling them.

  • @davidschwartz5127
    @davidschwartz51273 жыл бұрын

    Thanks, Mr. Pete especially for the introduction to the Rose Index, I must have one.

  • @derekstuart5234
    @derekstuart52342 жыл бұрын

    A real old-school engineer. What a real pleasure that was to watch. A proper craftsman rather than a programmer of a computer attached to machines.

  • @mrpete222

    @mrpete222

    2 жыл бұрын

    👍👍👍

  • @sheeshalready
    @sheeshalready3 жыл бұрын

    I am thinking that most folks that would need to make a square hole are probably already in a machine shop. So, then we are talking about shop time versus shop expenditure. There is often a conversation (with yourself or others) whether it is cheaper to buy it (money), or cheaper to make it (shop time). Since my shop time is my own, I often defer to making it just to keep up the skill set, learn something new, etc. Nice job!

  • @mrpete222

    @mrpete222

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks

  • @the4thj
    @the4thj3 жыл бұрын

    I never would have thought to do it this way thank you Mr Pete I thought I have to spend hundreds.

  • @Enforcer_WJDE
    @Enforcer_WJDE3 жыл бұрын

    The good old "oldtimers". Back then i learned a lot from them during my apprenticeship to become a tool and die maker. This one is new though.

  • @haroldsprenkle4173
    @haroldsprenkle41733 жыл бұрын

    I like that rose index. Clamped a vee block on and worked off of it more than a few times, combined with a protractor I have cut splines, 6 spline pto stuff for farmers. That rose index much easier. Nifty.

  • @mikegraham7078
    @mikegraham70783 жыл бұрын

    My approach would have been to slit the bar horizontally and mill out the two half-pockets inside then weld it back together and turn it to look pretty. This method doesn't require welding, so that's a benefit for some. I suppose a much more patient person than I am could drill a round hole and file it with a square file.

  • @mrc1539
    @mrc15393 жыл бұрын

    Wow, around the block twice , two county fairs and one dog and pony show , but never seen a Rose Index . 🤔 . Gotta have one now .

  • @erikisberg3886
    @erikisberg38863 жыл бұрын

    Great way to do it! I would use silver solder it to give similar strength to a broached part. One big advantage of the demonstrated technique is that it works for odd dimensions and bottom holes. Silver solder is one of my favorite materials when building prototypes. Also this way may actually be easier than broaching or odd geometries such as angled holes.

  • @gonesideways6621
    @gonesideways66212 жыл бұрын

    From a fellow 45 year tool & die maker good job, in today's world plunge EDM would knock it out quickly but like you I live the old ways of making tools.

  • @johnfiott
    @johnfiott2 жыл бұрын

    I loved the video and the closing comment. True craftsmanship in action.

  • @mrpete222

    @mrpete222

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks

  • @anonymous.youtuber
    @anonymous.youtuber3 жыл бұрын

    Always nice to see true craftsmanship in action ! I just ❤️ it !

  • @joemorganeatmyshortschannel
    @joemorganeatmyshortschannel3 жыл бұрын

    that is really something cool mr pete im glad you showed us that

  • @111radioshack
    @111radioshack Жыл бұрын

    god bless this Men i wish he was my friend when i was 12

  • @MrPatdeeee
    @MrPatdeeee3 жыл бұрын

    Awesome. I would not have thought to do this if I lived for a million years. How simple. Wow! Thanks to "our" Mr Pete" to introduce us to yet another "Gem". Praise Jesus!

  • @TheEquineFencer
    @TheEquineFencer3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for posting this! You've opened my eyes to something I've never really thought about. I can see LOTS of uses for this type of machine work. Mainly tool making!

  • @AWDJRforYouTube
    @AWDJRforYouTube3 жыл бұрын

    Great project Mr. Pete...Like it. I looked up the phrase "well used" in the dictionary, and it showed a picture of your Loc-Tite bottle lol! 👍✔💯

  • @stevoreno45
    @stevoreno453 жыл бұрын

    Mr. Pete proving once again there's more than one way to skin a cat! That keyway reminded me a couple of years ago I was using a 3/4 ball mill in the Mazak held with an "inexpensive" off shore made holder. When I turned around the endmill had sucked out of the holder and nearly cut a 200 lb. plate of 4 in. stock in half! Needless to say the holder went for a nice flight toward the chip hopper and we now use a nice Lyndex holder for that job! It cost about five times as much but we've never had another accident. I love my job!

  • @mrpete222

    @mrpete222

    3 жыл бұрын

    Wow

  • @carloantoniomartinelli5418
    @carloantoniomartinelli54183 жыл бұрын

    Watching Mr Pete for all these years, I have become convinced that it would take me TWO LIFETIMES - at least - of learning and training to barely get to shouting distance of Mr Pete. You are a LION sir ! Thank you once more, cheers.

  • @mrpete222

    @mrpete222

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much

  • @dennisnowak4669
    @dennisnowak46693 жыл бұрын

    Great instructional video, Mr. Pete. There aren't many of you old machinists left; great that you're sharing your time, talent, and expertise. Its a shame that kids nowadays do not appreciate the learning experience of somethin like this. It teaches, math, planning and execution to accomplish this.

  • @mrpete222

    @mrpete222

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much

  • @kx500rider1991

    @kx500rider1991

    Жыл бұрын

    I agree. Taking the time to share your experience is important. The world has changed so much and as a person who went down a path not many people choose makes it difficult to express how much I am thankful for patiently explaining your thought process. Never stop sharing your work....please.

  • @gyrogearloose1345

    @gyrogearloose1345

    Жыл бұрын

    May I say - Mr Pete is not an old machinist, he is timeless! And we thank him for his teaching.

  • @Smallathe
    @Smallathe3 жыл бұрын

    That is a very cool idea and implementation. Loved the trick! I'll probably find a good use for it too :)

  • @paulbanks223
    @paulbanks2233 жыл бұрын

    We have lots of guys here in the UK who for whatever reason cannot afford to spend hundreds if not thousands on equipment in order to complete a job of work so find a way around the problem. The term of endearment is backstreet Mechanics and I think this project easily qualifies. An excellent solution that I think would have many applications and not only in metalwork.

  • @joeromanak8797
    @joeromanak87973 жыл бұрын

    I liked that tip. All of these simpler processes held in memory can be combined and recombined to provide understanding of much more complex procedures. Before you know it, you’re an older person dispensing wisdom to eager young apprentices via the internet. You are a solid gold asset Mr Pete. 😎👍

  • @mrpete222

    @mrpete222

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you

  • @srinivasansanthanam749
    @srinivasansanthanam7493 жыл бұрын

    Saving of money and time to get a broach for this job Hands off to you sir i am from india.

  • @lagweezle

    @lagweezle

    3 жыл бұрын

    He explicitly commented on doing this instead of purchasing the relatively expensive broach for a one-time use. It all comes down to how much your time is worth, and how long it would take you to do this, versus buying the broaching equipment. For a lot of home shops, this method makes a lot more sense, even if it does take longer and more work.

  • @warrenjones744
    @warrenjones7443 жыл бұрын

    Well done Mr Pete. One to keep in the back of my mind for sure.

  • @macdinvest
    @macdinvest3 жыл бұрын

    I love you Mr. Pete. You rock. I love watching your videos.... Long time fan.

  • @mrpete222

    @mrpete222

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks

  • @benniedonald
    @benniedonald3 жыл бұрын

    Love your videos. It's a shame some don't respect this wealth of knowledge.

  • @mrpete222

    @mrpete222

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for your support

  • @PauloSilva-ll4vs
    @PauloSilva-ll4vs3 жыл бұрын

    This is a great video, you are the best teacher. I loved this process...

  • @boozler8194
    @boozler81943 жыл бұрын

    Another tip for indexing the part: mill a small flat at the end. Use your square still. After features are done then machine the flat off.

  • @lukaswilson1437

    @lukaswilson1437

    3 жыл бұрын

    Very good tip!

  • @madjack3314

    @madjack3314

    3 жыл бұрын

    Why not just rotate the shaft and use your square on the edges of the groove you just cut.

  • @boozler8194

    @boozler8194

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@madjack3314 that would work as well.

  • @J8DENTHECANADIAN
    @J8DENTHECANADIAN2 жыл бұрын

    That’s right! It goes in the square hole...

  • @whistle3man
    @whistle3man Жыл бұрын

    Mr pete. Love your channel. I have been machining for nearly 40 years and i still learn some things from you. You have a great honest and no nonsense approach. Thanks for taking the time to do this type of education.

  • @mrpete222

    @mrpete222

    Жыл бұрын

    👍👍👍

  • @Daledavispratt
    @Daledavispratt3 жыл бұрын

    I've never seen a Rose Index before and now I want one. Thanks, Mr. Pete! :-)

  • @jimc4731

    @jimc4731

    3 жыл бұрын

    I want one and don't even need one! JIM

  • @chakathewolf
    @chakathewolf3 жыл бұрын

    Made a wrench for my small acetylene tank like that when I was young and broke. Gas welded the slug in. Nowadays I'd just buy one.

  • @hammerone5137
    @hammerone51372 жыл бұрын

    Why am I watching this... But I can't stop either

  • @georgeliu7575
    @georgeliu7575 Жыл бұрын

    Solving complicated issue with a most simple way. This is really fantastic, and a real talent.

  • @kejay74
    @kejay743 жыл бұрын

    Hey Mr. Pete! One suggestion for pinning the filler material into place... Use mild steel taper pins driven home firmly with the Loctite. Ken

  • @johnbesharian9965

    @johnbesharian9965

    3 жыл бұрын

    Either way, it's the same principle as "Draw Boring" in woodworking used 14th century through early 20th century solid furniture - most noticeable in "Craftsman", or Mission Style" furniture.

  • @bocody
    @bocody3 жыл бұрын

    I’ve never seen a Rose Index. Thanks!

  • @TheEvertw

    @TheEvertw

    3 жыл бұрын

    Excellent idea, that. I once did something similar with a simple clamp, but this is much better.

  • @brianhind6149
    @brianhind61493 жыл бұрын

    Sir: I know nothing about machine shop work, & I had NO idea how you were going to accomplish the making of the 1/4 inch hole. What a marvelous education I got ! Thank you ! As my late grandfather would say " When you know NOTHING, it isn't hard to learn something. A great video Sir !

  • @paulhunt598
    @paulhunt5983 жыл бұрын

    Well Mr. Pete you completely stumped me until you showed the filler flat stock. I needed to replace a broken zinc casting and the part included a square clearance hole. My replacement part stock was aluminum. I drilled a nearly on size hole and then made a single point broaching tool from a broken solid carbide end mill. I took very small bites using the mill quill with 5 spindles off to "broach" to each corner. I used the round hole tangent as my end of cut gauge. My tool was crude and didn't get me fully into the corners. X and Y axis table movements controlled my depth of cut and kept my edges square. Hand filing dressed the part to size. My clearance tolerance allowed for some hand filing error. I felt pretty smug about my method, because it was novel to my experience, and it worked well. I still feel snooty everytime I use my vintage Powermatic drill press depth stop, because this is where the part lives. Your method is wonderful and I would have employed it but made the replacement part from steel. I like the silver solder suggestions if stress strength is required for the application. I am like many other commenters in that I have never seen or heard of a Rose-Index. You introduced me to two brand new shop solutions. Is your square hole solution your own idea? TOT showed a rotary broach or maybe it was called a rotary square hole drill. That tool was fast and looked like magic. My entire machine shop career never employed any method other than dedicated square broaching. We had multiple dedicated broaching machines. I have never use a key seater or a filing machine, but I suppose these could speed up the square hole process. Right now I like your solution for the one off part in a shop with only a mill and lathe. You are brilliant!

  • @mrpete222

    @mrpete222

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much, but I am far from being brilliant

  • @khimbittle7705
    @khimbittle77053 жыл бұрын

    Excellent, I learned a new technique with my morning coffee

  • @ianjuby
    @ianjuby3 жыл бұрын

    Dude this was excellent! I learned so much in such a short amount of time!

  • @THEJR-of5tf
    @THEJR-of5tf3 жыл бұрын

    That takes me back to 1964, when I began my engineering apprenticeship. I am retired now but engineering is such an amazing subject.

  • @keithfarley7093
    @keithfarley7093 Жыл бұрын

    I love to see a craftsman at work and the rose index answered a lot of questions for me

  • @mrpete222

    @mrpete222

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks

  • @tonypires8816
    @tonypires88163 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Mr.Pete, great project. Never heard of the Rose-Index and went to find one and it’s around $150, same as a broach, doh!

  • @Redmech80
    @Redmech803 жыл бұрын

    Enjoyed that one sir. That rose Index is never seen, looks very handy

  • @TheShannon60

    @TheShannon60

    3 жыл бұрын

    Back in the 1940s it would have been great I’m sure

  • @collinbarry7139
    @collinbarry71392 жыл бұрын

    Thanks my grandpa was a machinist for Litton Industries! I have most of his tools and things he left for me! It a pleasure to see some one carry it into a new world!!

  • @mrpete222

    @mrpete222

    2 жыл бұрын

    👍👍

  • @humblehombre9904
    @humblehombre99043 жыл бұрын

    You are an excellent teacher Mr. Pete. Thanks so much. Warm regards from Canada, eh!

  • @mrpete222

    @mrpete222

    3 жыл бұрын

    Many thanks!

  • @brianjohnson217
    @brianjohnson2173 жыл бұрын

    That was a brilliant way of machining a square hole

  • @backwardsmachining7526
    @backwardsmachining75263 жыл бұрын

    I've never seen a rose index before. I'm going to have to make one of those.

  • @ellieprice3396

    @ellieprice3396

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes, I'll have to make one also. I didn't know about the Rose Index until now, but what a useful tool it will be. BTW, Loctite will set up in less than ten minutes with a little heat from a hair dryer and if already set up, about 200 degrees from a torch will loosen the bond to allow the part to be removed.

  • @MichaelBrown-kk6ck

    @MichaelBrown-kk6ck

    3 жыл бұрын

    Seems like it would be handy to have an indexer to make one.

  • @nigelmusson9474
    @nigelmusson94742 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Mr Pete - superb! Now I too want a Rose index...

  • @arneminderman3770
    @arneminderman37706 ай бұрын

    Wow !! Great! Thank you ,greatings from the netherlands.

  • @AdrianPardini
    @AdrianPardini3 жыл бұрын

    Our drills always make something that resembles a triangle. I like very much the new transition

  • @jodydoakes8754
    @jodydoakes87543 жыл бұрын

    Finally, a place for that square peg.

  • @ke9tv

    @ke9tv

    3 жыл бұрын

    No, that's a square hole in a round peg!

  • @michaelberna987

    @michaelberna987

    3 жыл бұрын

    Round peg in square hole works better than square peg in round hole. ;D

  • @inactive67
    @inactive673 жыл бұрын

    Oh jeez I love this guy!

  • @zero.the.welder6010
    @zero.the.welder601011 ай бұрын

    I'm lost for words with this guy's work.

  • @bellowphone
    @bellowphone3 жыл бұрын

    Well here goes the internet, about to get mined for Rose Indexes all of a sudden.

  • @lesrehklau1965
    @lesrehklau19653 жыл бұрын

    Great work Timm, you remind me of my dad where he tought me a lot about machining, look forward to more. BTW, you just cost me $149 dollars, I just purchased a rose index, haha, great tool to have in your box :-) thank you again

  • @rmllcvideo

    @rmllcvideo

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the kind words. It means alot. The 2" inventory will probably be used up in a week, however I'm gearing up for another batch of parts. There are still plenty of 1" models available. I look forward to future comments from you and others.......I want to hear if you still feel as if I cost you some money, or if your acquisition was a valuable purchase and you'd happily do it again. Be well and thank you

  • @grahamlane8506
    @grahamlane85063 жыл бұрын

    I’ve never seen a Rose Index before! What a great invention!

  • @buffplums
    @buffplums3 жыл бұрын

    I love how a good engineer has a ‘toolbox’ of ideas on how to solve a problem .... that’s makes engineering fascinating. I’m actually an electronics engineer but from time to time, mechanical engineering knowledge is very much an essential ally when constructing a project. From an electronics point of view, mechanical is very much the bedfellow.

  • @mrpete222

    @mrpete222

    3 жыл бұрын

    👍👍

  • @roylucas1027
    @roylucas10273 жыл бұрын

    That was such a great video. Why didn't I think of that? Take care.

  • @pgs8597
    @pgs85973 жыл бұрын

    G’day Mr Pete. What’s that saying, “ can’t see the forest for the trees” well my thought process was on a rotary broach and when you started milling the slot the penny dropped to what you were up to. I would have forgotten to add the shim for wiggle room for the tool, well done. The Rose thingy looks to be a good shop project, it’s now on my list to do, thanks. I enjoyed the video, thanks. Cheers Peter

  • @jimthomas8995
    @jimthomas89953 жыл бұрын

    This is a wonderful way to make couplings for pneumatic valve actuators with square stems. Thanks, Mr. Pete!

  • @mrpete222

    @mrpete222

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes

  • @zdenkotudor
    @zdenkotudor Жыл бұрын

    Wow! I am learning so much, about everything! Thanks a lot!

  • @MakeItWithCalvin
    @MakeItWithCalvin3 жыл бұрын

    I had a sneaking suspicion this is how you would tackle something like this. The Rose Index is a super nifty tool, even a good beginning machining project too.

  • @dantuck5242
    @dantuck52423 жыл бұрын

    I've been trying to put square pegs in round holes since I was a kid!

  • @theberengersniper
    @theberengersniper2 жыл бұрын

    Ah, how refreshing to hear someone recognise the difference between something 'drying' and something 'hardening'. It's just one of those little things that always annoys me when people get it wrong.

  • @mrpete222

    @mrpete222

    2 жыл бұрын

    Me too

  • @CmdrMoros
    @CmdrMoros3 жыл бұрын

    Timm thank you for the video. I am a 1 year in fabricator and you just showed me more in these minutes than I have learned about our mill this whole last year. Thank you and you have a new subscriber. I look forward to more of your videos, stay safe.

  • @rmllcvideo

    @rmllcvideo

    3 жыл бұрын

    CmdrMoros This video was made by Mr. Pete. I'm just the guy who made the block he used in his video. Mr. Pete is the teacher that disserves your kind words.

  • @MotoStoriesandmore
    @MotoStoriesandmore3 жыл бұрын

    Mr. Pete, these videos are amazing. Documenting a lot of information that MAYBE get's personally handed down to a few people, you are opening this information up to everyone! Thank you so much for taking the time to do this! Subscribed, and look forward to more!

  • @sillytoy1
    @sillytoy13 жыл бұрын

    Nice job, next time when you edge find go from the rigid jaw you will find it more accurate and once you find the jaw you can use your zero for quite awhile, you could also use a 1/8 endmill to spot for the holes then use a 1/8 pin with a slight straight knurl and just press fit in place and forget the locktite, if you are going to use it for holding a cutting tool the locktite can come loose from the heat and that won't be good. Just passing on some of my over 50 years of machine shop knowledge

  • @j1w2t3
    @j1w2t33 жыл бұрын

    never seen rose index guest i will be welding some hex and square nuts together soon enjoying all your videos this is why i like youtube

  • @micmike
    @micmike3 жыл бұрын

    That was a clever solution for when you don't have access to a broach, thank you I appreciate the lesson. Enjoyed it very much!

  • @leebarnhart831
    @leebarnhart8313 жыл бұрын

    Another way is to take a piece 1/2” round stock and mill a 1/4” slot in it length ways. Drill a 1/2” hole in 30mm stock and slide slotted 1/2” piece you milled and set screw it and the 1/4” tool your trying to hold in place.

  • @brianwarburton4482

    @brianwarburton4482

    3 жыл бұрын

    Good idea.

  • @ellieprice363

    @ellieprice363

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes, a very good idea. However I would probably use 5/8 or 3/4 stock instead of 1/2 for the 1/4 slot.

  • @Stefan_Boerjesson
    @Stefan_Boerjesson3 жыл бұрын

    Making an internal key way could possibly be done using this approach. Those tools cost a lot, are limited to just one width of the key way, calls for a good press tool and are seldomly used. Thanks!

  • @doppler3237
    @doppler32373 жыл бұрын

    At first i was doubtful but after explaining its versatility , sold American. Nice job.

  • @guyloughridge4628
    @guyloughridge46283 жыл бұрын

    This was a very informative video. Thanks for showing the Rose Index. This is a terrific solution. I can only imagine how many other types of tools can be made by leveraging the concepts that you just showed us. You are a wonderful shop teacher... so keep up the good work. Cheers for an excellent video... It was very interesting (definitely NOT boring)

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