The aspect of “need a tool, make a tool” was always something I enjoyed about metal working.

Crafty old fox technique here. I never thought of forming a square or rectangle in round stock with this method. If it was silver soldered or brazed it would have near as much integrity as if made from a solid piece. Today,I found myself enlightened by an old school shop teacher👏👏

@waynespyker5731

3 жыл бұрын

Silver soldering is a great idea. I think I would widen the slot width above the 1/4" square opening to 0.315" for a 0.312" filler blank. EDIT 1: The 1/32 land on each side establishes the 1/4 opening, any silver solder closing the opening would need to be filed away (silver solder tends to fillet radius sharp corners and gaps per your supplies and torch skills). EDIT 2: A dovetailed filler slot could be endmilled above the 1/4" opening with a reverse taper one lunger cutter for silver soldering a dovetail filler piece. Any sidewall could be drilled and tapped into the 1/4" opening for a setscrew(s). No cross pins, HSS blank or aluminum shim would be would be required. This procedure could be used to form an opening across the diameter with a 1/4" wide slitting cutter in a Bridgeport. Shop made boring bar?

@howardosborne8647

3 жыл бұрын

@@waynespyker5731 I think the technique I'd use would be raise the end mill to half depth in the slot and machine an extra few thou from either side of the slot. That gives you the ideal gap for braze/silver solder fillet but leaves the lower half the slot tight on the insert piece for accurate location. It would also prevent any silver solder from running through into the square hole area.

I love watching old timers teach neat tricks. It’s alway enjoyable to watch someone who is passionate about their trade!!!

@mrpete222

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much

How in the hell could anyone give this a thumbs down? This man is gold. Thank you for sharing!

@mrpete222

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for your support

@zdenkotudor

Жыл бұрын

@@mrpete222 Yes! This is so educational and information not readily come by on the internet. Seems like this can only be learnt from those who've been around!

@Raul28153

Жыл бұрын

They prolly thought there was some slick trick to get a drill to do a square hole. It is what he h advertised; "Drill a square hole." Maybe they just don't get his sense of humor.

@StanErvin-yo9vl

9 ай бұрын

​​​@@Raul28153 : More than one way to skin One.

@abcaabca6364

4 ай бұрын

Maybe because he goes on and on at the start. We know what he should be trying do from the title, Or else we wouldn't be here.

I am a remedial machinist - it's obvious this guy is a master. Thanks for the great tutorial !

Thanks. I miss machining. I did it in High School and for a few years, I had a friend that had a machine shop in his basement but he has since passed away. I was a lathe operator for 11 months after I got out of high school but decided to change my profession and became an HVAC technician. I always loved machining and miss it. I really enjoyed watching you do this project. Thanks again.

...there are so many Methods in in this Job - you could never learn enough from the older Machinists! 👍🏻

Well now I know what a Rose index is and how to use it! great idea, and even at 78 I'm still learning things thank you for taking the time to show us young'ins a thing or two. "Whats that old adage, "You're never too old to learn" I just proved that. thanks again.

@larrythompson2967

27 күн бұрын

As a long retired machinist, we never had a "rose index", we had to make do with a V block and angle gauges.

That Rose Index looks like a tool that an apprentice machinist would be requited to make while learning skills. They would ultimately add this item to their tool collection and use over their entire career.

Thanks, Mr. Pete especially for the introduction to the Rose Index, I must have one.

Best shop teacher ever. Period!

@mrpete222

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much

I love being a machinist for 26yrs and watching tricks from older machinists at our shop we tell the young guys to never make a man mad at you because he'll never show you any of his tricks!

@petersack5074

2 жыл бұрын

FOR SURE...use copper when removing a broken bolt/stud in metal piece, around and inside the hole....then , mig weld to the stud, (slowest rate) and remove. copper wont weld.....and separates the main metal, from the arc.....

Always nice to see true craftsmanship in action ! I just ❤️ it !

I never would have thought to do it this way thank you Mr Pete I thought I have to spend hundreds.

at the mature age of 57 years old i have never had an idol in my life but mrpete would qualify as a potential candidate, he is a pot of gold of fabrication knowledge.

@mrpete222

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very very much

That was a clever solution for when you don't have access to a broach, thank you I appreciate the lesson. Enjoyed it very much!

The good old "oldtimers". Back then i learned a lot from them during my apprenticeship to become a tool and die maker. This one is new though.

Old machinists trick. A lost art. Thank you for reminding me of this!

@johnbesharian9965

3 жыл бұрын

Yep. Those "Old Machinist's" were a "Tricky Lot". One thing my dad, "They call me a 'Tool Maker', but not by 'East Coast' standards" said [we're from New England] at the shop in Santa Monica, Ca in '62 was that if you walked away from the machine, back off a 0.001" before you start in again because everything has cooled down and changed dimensions. He did this on an old, non-numerical read out, manual (dial only) Bridgeport Mill and could work +0.00003"/0.0000.0" tolerances all day long.

Dear Mr. Pete This video was my very first of your channel. I say that it is my very first in the sense that I have just begun to Learn metalworking and machining after a long career in medicine. I find it to be absolutely an art of precision and of patients/patience. I truly find it fascinating to be able to create something and I find it extremely soothing and truly do appreciate the time you take to put into your videos to help novices is like myself. Thank you so much for your quality content Cheers Mike from Philadelphia

@mrpete222

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching. Enjoy your new craft

I loved how you started the video with "you can buy a $150 broach or use this method", then ended the video with "you can build this with twenty thousand dollars worth of machinery or just buy a $150 broach"

@riccardoscavo8485

3 жыл бұрын

Pure contradiction in turn. Why spend $150 when you can do it for less! But, you need to spend $20K on machinery first to do it! That sounds a bit Irish to me. So go and buy a $150 broach instead giving you a saving of 19,850 a bargain

@andyg.8971

3 жыл бұрын

A rose index costs $149 - same price as the broach

@billyjack8119

3 жыл бұрын

I saw the video pop up and right away i thought you would drill it and broach it. I never really thought of doing it this way to be honest about it.

@inactive67

3 жыл бұрын

Just another way to skin a cat. Knowledge is good.

@CrusaderSports250

3 жыл бұрын

@@andyg.8971 But so very useful for so many other things, have struggled in the past making square square pins this would have made things a lot easyer, and accurate.

If only we all had shop teachers like this.

@MrSkinnyn71

3 жыл бұрын

No kidding.

@vernonsteinkamp1088

3 жыл бұрын

I took machining courses in Jr. College and had seasoned instructors like this guy. I only worked as a machinist for 2 years then quit because my boss was such an a hole and I believed the whole industry would be like my boss.

Regarding the loctite on the inner surfaces of the insert. That would actually help pretty substantially. As a general rule (or so my mechanical engineering professors told me), adhesives are most effective in compression and shear stress scenarios, but less so in tension. Trying to slide that insert out would be pure shear which would be among the ideal scenarios for an adhesive. Additionally, all that extra surface area would distribute the force too (meaning less shear stress) thus it would take even more force to break it out.

This was a very informative video. Thanks for showing the Rose Index. This is a terrific solution. I can only imagine how many other types of tools can be made by leveraging the concepts that you just showed us. You are a wonderful shop teacher... so keep up the good work. Cheers for an excellent video... It was very interesting (definitely NOT boring)

This is a great video, you are the best teacher. I loved this process...

Great way to do it! I would use silver solder it to give similar strength to a broached part. One big advantage of the demonstrated technique is that it works for odd dimensions and bottom holes. Silver solder is one of my favorite materials when building prototypes. Also this way may actually be easier than broaching or odd geometries such as angled holes.

Great. Now I have to buy a Rose Index.

@gofastwclass

3 жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing.

@howardosborne8647

3 жыл бұрын

Make a Rose indexer. Pretty simple machining project.

@rstebb311

3 жыл бұрын

Or just use a v-block

@trollforge

3 жыл бұрын

@@rstebb311 that is fine for this project where you only nee 90deg, but the Rose gives you 30, 45, 60 & 90deg.

@johnm840

3 жыл бұрын

On my shopping list. nice tool.

This was one of the most ingenious shop videos I have ever seen! In particular, I loved the Rose gage!

@mrpete222

Ай бұрын

Thank you very much, it almost went viral

@herbholmberg4474

Ай бұрын

@mrpete222 I think it did go viral! Tons of chatter found on hobbyist web sites about this one!

Sir: I know nothing about machine shop work, & I had NO idea how you were going to accomplish the making of the 1/4 inch hole. What a marvelous education I got ! Thank you ! As my late grandfather would say " When you know NOTHING, it isn't hard to learn something. A great video Sir !

that is really something cool mr pete im glad you showed us that

That Rose Index, would be a pretty decent shop project. Would work in lots of places that a hex collet holder would not.. Good video.

@josephpetito1351

3 жыл бұрын

Good shop project for students-they walk away from class with something useful.

@G58

3 жыл бұрын

It’s patented. The inventor commented above.

@AntiVaganza

3 жыл бұрын

@@G58 Still, patents don't limit someone from making one for his own private use. It protects against other people monitizing the idea. That does indeed rule out a lot of users, but just saying. And whilst I give cudos to the inventor, when I saw it in the video I was sure that tool was a really old one. It's mind buggling that in the world of machining this no one has come up with this earlier.

@Turbo2Pete

2 жыл бұрын

@@G58 that doesn't prevent you from making a copy for yourself - only from selling them.

I now know what a rose index is. Of course the manufactures and retailers of rose indexes never make videos like these for the public and they are supposed to be the ones that inform the public about their products. Thanks for doing what they should do.

Mr pete. Love your channel. I have been machining for nearly 40 years and i still learn some things from you. You have a great honest and no nonsense approach. Thanks for taking the time to do this type of education.

@mrpete222

11 ай бұрын

👍👍👍

Thanks for posting this! You've opened my eyes to something I've never really thought about. I can see LOTS of uses for this type of machine work. Mainly tool making!

Well done Mr Pete. One to keep in the back of my mind for sure.

Great video Mr. Pete, it makes me think of my 9th grade wood shop teacher showing me how to make a chess board for my very first self designed project. In that case he had me glue alternating strips of walnut and maple together that we later planed flat and then cut in strips. In my 9th grade mind I was amazed as I had visions of cutting lots of squares and gluing them together.

That rose fixture would be a good project to make.Thanks for sharing this video with us😁😁

That is a very cool idea and implementation. Loved the trick! I'll probably find a good use for it too :)

That was a brilliant way of machining a square hole

That was a really neat technique for getting a square hole! Thanks for sharing it. Cheers! 👍👍

Dear Mr Pete, I just found your channel. What a joy to watch you work, I subscribed for sure. Thank you, Jim

Excellent, I learned a new technique with my morning coffee

Wow, around the block twice , two county fairs and one dog and pony show , but never seen a Rose Index . 🤔 . Gotta have one now .

Nice work. Love learning new tricks for the mill. Was totally not sure how you were going to do that, but great job teaching the technique!

That takes me back to 1964, when I began my engineering apprenticeship. I am retired now but engineering is such an amazing subject.

Our drills always make something that resembles a triangle. I like very much the new transition

Dude this was excellent! I learned so much in such a short amount of time!

This is great and as Mr Pete says can be varied to meet a lot of different sizes and shapes. Awesome...many thanks

Timm thank you for the video. I am a 1 year in fabricator and you just showed me more in these minutes than I have learned about our mill this whole last year. Thank you and you have a new subscriber. I look forward to more of your videos, stay safe.

@rmllcvideo

3 жыл бұрын

CmdrMoros This video was made by Mr. Pete. I'm just the guy who made the block he used in his video. Mr. Pete is the teacher that disserves your kind words.

Thanks Mr.Pete, great project. Never heard of the Rose-Index and went to find one and it’s around $150, same as a broach, doh!

Made a wrench for my small acetylene tank like that when I was young and broke. Gas welded the slug in. Nowadays I'd just buy one.

Looks like I’m not alone about the rose index. The tool holder is a neat looking project. Thanks Mr Pete

Thanks, Mr. P. I always learn useful things watching your channel.

Great project Mr. Pete...Like it. I looked up the phrase "well used" in the dictionary, and it showed a picture of your Loc-Tite bottle lol! 👍✔💯

I've never seen a Rose Index before and now I want one. Thanks, Mr. Pete! :-)

@jimc4731

3 жыл бұрын

I want one and don't even need one! JIM

Great knowledge on machining a square hole. Thanks for the Rose Index tip!

And I thought I knew it all... and then you show the Rose Index. Thanks for the video!

Enjoyed that one sir. That rose Index is never seen, looks very handy

@TheShannon60

3 жыл бұрын

Back in the 1940s it would have been great I’m sure

Great instructional video, Mr. Pete. There aren't many of you old machinists left; great that you're sharing your time, talent, and expertise. Its a shame that kids nowadays do not appreciate the learning experience of somethin like this. It teaches, math, planning and execution to accomplish this.

@mrpete222

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much

@kx500rider1991

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Taking the time to share your experience is important. The world has changed so much and as a person who went down a path not many people choose makes it difficult to express how much I am thankful for patiently explaining your thought process. Never stop sharing your work....please.

@gyrogearloose1345

Жыл бұрын

May I say - Mr Pete is not an old machinist, he is timeless! And we thank him for his teaching.

Solving complicated issue with a most simple way. This is really fantastic, and a real talent.

As always Sir, an excellent process to give an alternate solution that I had never thought of. Many thanks from AUS

I had a sneaking suspicion this is how you would tackle something like this. The Rose Index is a super nifty tool, even a good beginning machining project too.

Hey Mr. Pete! One suggestion for pinning the filler material into place... Use mild steel taper pins driven home firmly with the Loctite. Ken

@johnbesharian9965

3 жыл бұрын

Either way, it's the same principle as "Draw Boring" in woodworking used 14th century through early 20th century solid furniture - most noticeable in "Craftsman", or Mission Style" furniture.

This is a fantastic technique. thank you for showing us this!

Great to see your videos again. Such knowledge. Every kid would have loved metal work with a teacher like you.

@wilsjane

3 жыл бұрын

The days when metal and woodwork teachers were retired craftsmen are long gone. Our woodwork teacher was a 77 year old retired cabinet maker. His lessons were awesome and no one played him up, possibly because standing in the corner would probably have involved our arm being clamped in a vice. 😊

That was such a great video. Why didn't I think of that? Take care.

Saving of money and time to get a broach for this job Hands off to you sir i am from india.

@lagweezle

3 жыл бұрын

He explicitly commented on doing this instead of purchasing the relatively expensive broach for a one-time use. It all comes down to how much your time is worth, and how long it would take you to do this, versus buying the broaching equipment. For a lot of home shops, this method makes a lot more sense, even if it does take longer and more work.

Thanks for demo Pete. Thanks for sharing your intelligence and experience.

That rose index is brilliant! Think i will make one for woodworking. Thanks for sharing.

I've been trying to put square pegs in round holes since I was a kid!

I’ve never seen a Rose Index. Thanks!

@TheEvertw

3 жыл бұрын

Excellent idea, that. I once did something similar with a simple clamp, but this is much better.

Awesome video and idea!!! Thank you I will use this idea for a project. Was just looking at broaches for 1 job, this saved me a bunch of money!

Wow , I just love watching these old timers , as my dad would have said, there's always more than one way to skin a cat. That is the most clever way to tackle that job without a square broach.

Great work Timm, you remind me of my dad where he tought me a lot about machining, look forward to more. BTW, you just cost me $149 dollars, I just purchased a rose index, haha, great tool to have in your box :-) thank you again

@rmllcvideo

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind words. It means alot. The 2" inventory will probably be used up in a week, however I'm gearing up for another batch of parts. There are still plenty of 1" models available. I look forward to future comments from you and others.......I want to hear if you still feel as if I cost you some money, or if your acquisition was a valuable purchase and you'd happily do it again. Be well and thank you

Well here goes the internet, about to get mined for Rose Indexes all of a sudden.

Nice to see the heat carried away by the chip. Great job! My best tools for fine work were always ground out of cobalt steel stock. But I liked carbide for hogging metal out.

I'm lost for words with this guy's work.

G’day Mr Pete. What’s that saying, “ can’t see the forest for the trees” well my thought process was on a rotary broach and when you started milling the slot the penny dropped to what you were up to. I would have forgotten to add the shim for wiggle room for the tool, well done. The Rose thingy looks to be a good shop project, it’s now on my list to do, thanks. I enjoyed the video, thanks. Cheers Peter

I've never seen a rose index before. I'm going to have to make one of those.

@ellieprice3396

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I'll have to make one also. I didn't know about the Rose Index until now, but what a useful tool it will be. BTW, Loctite will set up in less than ten minutes with a little heat from a hair dryer and if already set up, about 200 degrees from a torch will loosen the bond to allow the part to be removed.

@MichaelBrown-kk6ck

3 жыл бұрын

Seems like it would be handy to have an indexer to make one.

Watching Mr Pete for all these years, I have become convinced that it would take me TWO LIFETIMES - at least - of learning and training to barely get to shouting distance of Mr Pete. You are a LION sir ! Thank you once more, cheers.

@mrpete222

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much

I liked that tip. All of these simpler processes held in memory can be combined and recombined to provide understanding of much more complex procedures. Before you know it, you’re an older person dispensing wisdom to eager young apprentices via the internet. You are a solid gold asset Mr Pete. 😎👍

@mrpete222

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Mr. Pete, these videos are amazing. Documenting a lot of information that MAYBE get's personally handed down to a few people, you are opening this information up to everyone! Thank you so much for taking the time to do this! Subscribed, and look forward to more!

Nice job, next time when you edge find go from the rigid jaw you will find it more accurate and once you find the jaw you can use your zero for quite awhile, you could also use a 1/8 endmill to spot for the holes then use a 1/8 pin with a slight straight knurl and just press fit in place and forget the locktite, if you are going to use it for holding a cutting tool the locktite can come loose from the heat and that won't be good. Just passing on some of my over 50 years of machine shop knowledge

Good one Mr. Pete....very informative and useful. Nice to see you machining again

GREAT IDEA MR. PETE LOVED IT !!!!! THANK YOU

Making an internal key way could possibly be done using this approach. Those tools cost a lot, are limited to just one width of the key way, calls for a good press tool and are seldomly used. Thanks!

Finally, a place for that square peg.

@ke9tv

3 жыл бұрын

No, that's a square hole in a round peg!

@michaelberna987

3 жыл бұрын

Round peg in square hole works better than square peg in round hole. ;D

I’ve never seen a Rose Index before! What a great invention!

Good lesson for a Saturday morning. Thanks!

Another tip for indexing the part: mill a small flat at the end. Use your square still. After features are done then machine the flat off.

@lukaswilson1437

3 жыл бұрын

Very good tip!

@madjack3314

3 жыл бұрын

Why not just rotate the shaft and use your square on the edges of the groove you just cut.

@boozler8194

3 жыл бұрын

@@madjack3314 that would work as well.

“Here’s how to save yourself $130 as well as honing your machine shop talents…” inspired, Sir!

Mr Pete, Thank You for the lesson, I am going to make one in 3/8 Tomorrow.

Great demonstration Mr. Pete. Thanks for sharing!

Could you do a Video on how to make a Broach from Tool Steel?

And here I was expecting a rotary broach. I really like this technique. It's certainly superior to the drill press and hand-file method I've used in the past to get square (well squareish if we're being honest) holes in the past.

@THEJR-of5tf

2 жыл бұрын

Sandy. Rotary Broach??? Did you mean a trepanning tool?

@sandy1653

2 жыл бұрын

@@THEJR-of5tf Nope. A trepanning tool would still leave you with a round hole. This Old Tony has a video on what I'm talking about: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZmFnybKQnJndlrg.html

Innovative idea and thanks for taking the time to share.

I REALISE THIS VIDEO IS NOT THAT NEW,BUT MR PETE,YOU NEVER CEASE TO AMAZE AND IMPRESS!! I AS THINKING ABOUT SIX DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. I MUST CONFESS,I DIDNT THINK OF HOW YOU ACTUALLY DID THIS ... WELL DONE! IM NOT A MACHINIS. I DID SPEND NEARLY 25 YEARS AS A CERTIFIED WELDER/IRONWORKER AND CUSTOM SHOP FABRICATION. THERE ARE SOME VERY TALENTED INDIVIDUALS AND LITERALLY JAW DROPPING TRICKS,IF ONE IS WILLING TO APPLY THEMSELVES!! YOUR VIDEOS ARE ALMOST ALWAYS VERY INTERESTING AND YOUR WRY,DRY SENSE OF HUMOR IS A HUGE BONUS!! THANKS SO MUCH FOR LETTING US HAVE A PEEP IN YOUR LITTLE CORNER OF THE SHOP!!

@mrpete222

Жыл бұрын

👍👍👍

I bought my wife a broach and she wears it all the time.

@RRaucina

3 жыл бұрын

I practice broaching with my wife for many years now. Not nearly as often as earlier on.

@mgabrielle2343

3 жыл бұрын

@@RRaucina so she has a square hole now?

@RRaucina

3 жыл бұрын

@@mgabrielle2343 Round peg in a square hole

I used to broach or slot with a slotting attachment to my mill. It was just as quick as this method shown here.

Awesome, Professor! Thank you for sharing this great approach!

From a fellow 45 year tool & die maker good job, in today's world plunge EDM would knock it out quickly but like you I live the old ways of making tools.