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@yumpinkchocolate

3 жыл бұрын

Please do a video on ur thoughts on Canoo vehicle & company viability. Thank u

@lowlifeangler

2 жыл бұрын

I wish you worked for Honda The new MDX/Pilot Air clearer package is a freaking mess

@davefroman4700

Жыл бұрын

Im gonna guess that it was right after this that the boys and girls at Ford knew they were failing engineering class.....

In the 50+ years I've been watching auto's, Munro is the first to provide consumers an in depth view the underlying quality of select automobiles on the market today. Munro may become the market disrupter of Consumer Reports and the like.

@andrewmeehan6151

3 жыл бұрын

I read consumer reports and they are pretty spot on in my experience. Jd power is a different story.

@MarkXHolland

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewmeehan6151 Consumer Reports are linked to the Ford Foundation. Just sayin'.

@andrewmeehan6151

3 жыл бұрын

@@MarkXHolland Didn't know that, but they rank Toyota, Subaru, and Mazda highly and never have seen anyone who was disappointed with those brands, or at least not many.

@PeteZam

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewmeehan6151 subarus are dog shit, what are you talking about. if you own a subaru, theres anywhere from a 20-50% chance that it will blow a head gasket. it has been a known problem with the car for over 2 decades, and they keep lying saying it was fixed, but they never fix it, because its an issue with their engine design and how the gaskets are positioned.

@andrewmeehan6151

3 жыл бұрын

@@PeteZam Your argument would have been much more compelling at around the time youtube first became popular. I know literally dozens of people with post 2013 subies and not a single one has had head gasket issues. Their quality has had major strides (like hyundai) hence their record sales.

That intro had me rolling! Sandy and his team are, before our eyes, turning into real-time consumer advocates. With each teardown and subsequent video you are educating masses of people who are not only becoming more mfg and lean intelligent but are being turned into highly educated consumers! This is a sleeper quality of this channel that I don't think folks are giving respect too. I have worked in the manufacturing industry, specifically metalcasting for over a decade and consider myself more in tune with "How its Made" than the vast majority of people. This content will drive consumer choice, which will in the end drive mfg choice aka, keeping up with the best as proven by folks at Munro. Win-Win all around. GD national treasure!

@jezzaRTW

3 жыл бұрын

So the real consumer reports!

@austinfastidio3183

3 жыл бұрын

I’m an electrician and I feel the same way. “Why’s it cost so much??” Well you see….. and my explanation is always inadequate. I wish Sandy could explain best practices and do breakdowns on all industries.

@johnhoye4535

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I wish I’d said that...

@Craigo87

3 жыл бұрын

Every engineering student and aspiring engineer should be subscribed to his videos. College students pay too dollar for this kind of education.

@GntlTch

3 жыл бұрын

And what happens to the finances of an already debt-laden company gets hit by a flood of warranty repairs???

Everyone : EVs need fewer servicing visits. Manufacturers will lose revenue streams as a result Ford : Hold my beer

@TanvirHussain

3 жыл бұрын

Hold my octo hoses

@paulstandaert5709

3 жыл бұрын

I just have to note that Tesla gloats about 100,000 miles before anything has to be done, except maybe brakes and tires. The problem is, with the exception of oil changes, that has already been done a long time ago.

@don2deliver

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulstandaert5709 Tesla may gloat but can you really go 100,000 miles with the suspension broken off and the door handles not working? These are real world problems. The last 2 cars I saw on the side of the road with suspension coming apart where a shiney Tesla with no scratches except from the tire out of the wheel well and an early 2000's Hyundai with rusted out crossmember.

@imkirbo3094

2 жыл бұрын

@@paulstandaert5709 Depends how well someone wants to look after their car. My BMW could go 100,000 mils with just oil changes and consumables, but I wouldn't run a car like that, it's asking to be ruined at 100,000 miles. Same with a Tesla or any car, always maintain more than the manufacturer recommends.

@paulstandaert5709

2 жыл бұрын

@@imkirbo3094 Perhaps so. I see tons of cars where literally nothing has ever been done and the problems it develops over time just continue to stack up to the point that it gets totalled. My old man just had his 2011 Taurus in my garage for a tire rotation and I couldn't find anything wrong with it. He bought it new and it has 74,000 miles and he has done nothing to it but tires, oil changes, and brakes.... And maybe a new battery. And it is a 10 year old car now... About the age where batteries really aren't expected to live. I hope I am wrong here and the Tesla drive batteries well exceed that, but I cannot help but notice that the battery is the very first thing to get stripped off of a wrecked Tesla. There *is* high demand for battery modules which is an indicator that they are going ca'put.

Just when I think I'm in love with the Mach-e, Sandy pulls me back into reality with hoses, fasteners, plastic parts, boxes on top of boxes and more fasteners.

@alphagodvon

2 жыл бұрын

But… these is not combustion heat like on combustion engines. So most of the plastic parts & cheap parts should last years longer

@Hedgehog_Inklings

2 жыл бұрын

Ditto. It's a mess.

@ButecoDoJay

2 жыл бұрын

You’ll get very disappointed when you turn your heat on and see 30 miles of power desapear after you ride 5 miles , shiit car. My wife wants to give it back .

@CptMadHowlinMurphy

2 жыл бұрын

No heat pump either. Horrible range in winter

@electricpirate7964

Жыл бұрын

Keep in mind that US and western European companies are big into planned obsolescence. They want you to be dependent of them and buy new stuff from them every few years. It's viral amongst western companies. Proprietarism and planned obsolescence.

When you think there are no summer action blockbusters this year, Sandy comes to the rescue.

Looks like Ford has found a way to guarantee that even their EVs will need servicing, and keep those dealerships afloat.

@richardpetek712

3 жыл бұрын

That's precisely what I was thinking too.

@jetah50

3 жыл бұрын

I didnt even think of that until you pointed it out! nice catch.

@Perforator2000

3 жыл бұрын

All EVs need servicing, but yeah, all that tubing and those connectors could be streamlined or largely eliminated. I guess Ford is still using a lot of traditional techniques for cooling in this car.

@NyashaM

3 жыл бұрын

How often do you service ice radiator hoses?

@clintatk

3 жыл бұрын

Oh my god, you're right! It's obvious when you think about it. All those 50s-60s era clamps point to old school thinking too.

I am a software engineer, and we have a term call "spaghetti code" in software. Looking at all these hoses in the Mach-E, thats the first thing came to mind.

@ThavashOnTech

2 жыл бұрын

I was a develop in the old ASP days …. i had to maintain “spagetti code” , not fun

@jmahtab

2 жыл бұрын

When I worked as a tech for Ford we called it "spaghetti thrown against a wall" .

This is the video I never knew I needed to watch but thankful I did.

@MunroLive

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for stopping by!

As a young electronics engineer I was given the task of designing out 15 calibration resistors on a piece of radar equipment. These were a persistant problem in the field, where service engineers would foolishly twiddle them trying to locate faults. Took a while but I managed to rid them all and I was rewarded with a promotion! Golden rule of design engineering, 'If it's not there, it can't go wrong'! Munro highlights this so well. A great video.

@rrolf71

3 жыл бұрын

Removing all of the 15 calibration resistors? Now *that's* a fine piece of design work! (coming from an old electronics engineer)

@andrefecteau

3 жыл бұрын

True genius lies in simplicity "Leonardo DaVinci"...it takes Ford 100 moves to build a car, Tesla takes 25

@shoominati23

3 жыл бұрын

Most engineers will tell you that the best solution to a problem is the simplest one, But it looks like these guys went to the MC Esher school of automotive design.

@mrwascallyt9865

3 жыл бұрын

yeah i've noticed more things made more complicated and harder to work on for no apparent good reason unless it's to make it harder for the average person to work on . like too many went to the rube goldberg school of engineering .

@kerogre256

3 жыл бұрын

Elon always say "best part is no part"

This channel keeps getting better and better with every upload. Entertaining, informative and straight to the point. Congratulations to Sandy and the team!

@MunroLive

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@noobcaekk

3 жыл бұрын

100% agreed! hilarious intro, fulfilling and informative video.

@rogerwilco2

3 жыл бұрын

@@MunroLive No, thank you, for providing this content to inform us as consumers and critical buyers.

@grahamstevenson1740

3 жыл бұрын

@@MunroLive Excellent stuff. More please.

@kendog180

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Sandy is a hero for generations to come. I’m glad you were coaxed into making this channel. The videos are never long enough. He’s up there with Elon if you ask me. He just didn’t hit it rich with a cash cow when he was 25.

This looks like an engineering and construction nightmare.

@dennissimo7546

2 жыл бұрын

You mean planned for the dealer service department's benefit

@Chainyanker007

Жыл бұрын

Cost a arm and a leg to get things fixed at the stealership.

Mechanic: So where is it leaking from? Me: Yes.

@tcfs

3 жыл бұрын

The answer is easy: everywhere!

Tesla has the octo-valve, Ford has the octo-hose.

@DavidJohnson-tv2nn

3 жыл бұрын

I Would rather own a Mustang than anything Musk produces!

@cjschmitt4882

3 жыл бұрын

@@DavidJohnson-tv2nn thenn you're an idiot; obviously

@beefstew6512

3 жыл бұрын

@@DavidJohnson-tv2nn id love a tesla

@alexmendoza9270

3 жыл бұрын

@@DavidJohnson-tv2nn God Bless you Brother. It’s ok to dream about what once was. I still dream about my Dads 71 challenger.

@RayNLA

3 жыл бұрын

@@DavidJohnson-tv2nn Who produces the Mustang?

Cory, get the octovalve! Hahaha love it!

@teslaowner9020

3 жыл бұрын

😂

@briandolbec37

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely the perfect smelling salt for cooling system related mis-engineering...

Perfect 100% pipe coverage. Good job Ford!

Almost looked like Ford hid an actual engine behind the "frunk".

@CASHSEC

3 жыл бұрын

The Haynes manual would consist of only a couple of pages. For the rest take it to the dealership.

Behind the scenes in a Tesla engineering meeting: "Design every part as if Sandy Munro was going to expose it to the whole world. If he faints, you're fired."

@kabubagachugu7729

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@Diapolo10

3 жыл бұрын

"Unless he faints of happiness. In which case you get a raise."

@RayNLA

3 жыл бұрын

😝

@kirgan1000

3 жыл бұрын

and if he have some critisism, I expect you to take notes and present a solution to me next day.

@wasupfool5692

3 жыл бұрын

They would all be fired, fit and finish has improved on Teslas but it still sucks.

Ford got a bit confused with all the Octovalve talk and put an Octopus under the hood instead.

@pangrac1

3 жыл бұрын

:D:D:D

@donnasRock323

3 жыл бұрын

bruh...... LMAO!

@billbosch9127

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like something Ford would do.

@PlanetEarth3141

3 жыл бұрын

Gotta live up to the slander, Found on road Dead.

@don2deliver

3 жыл бұрын

More like a triacontapus (30x)

I guess this what a "plumber's nightmare" looks like in real life

Wow. That is quite the mess. It’s like they got Medusa in a head lock over here!

Waiting for the “Scrap if dropped” t-shirt.

@taylor92493

3 жыл бұрын

? ? ?

@wongman2001

3 жыл бұрын

@@taylor92493 at 2:15. Ya gotta watch all Sandy’s feeds very carefully

@JetSkiBuyFixPlaySellChannel

3 жыл бұрын

With the Ford logo above it.

@concinnus

3 жыл бұрын

At least make a baby onesie.

@turbostixxx

3 жыл бұрын

@Americannovice Twocentnovice triggered

Sandy is the Lean, Mean, Parts eliminating machine!

@grimmjow06espada40

3 жыл бұрын

He might as well be a no nonsense butt kicking machine…..lol

@grahamstevenson1740

3 жыл бұрын

I'd do the same thing myself. That's how products get 'better' whilst reducing costs.

Sandy, My son is a young Mechanical Engineer who lives about 10 miles from your headquarters and would LOVE to tour your facility and his dream is to work for you. You have changed the way he looks at engineering, you really opened his eyes to look at engineering as a whole, Thank You.

“Quick! Get the Octovalve” - Sandy’s assistants rushing to give him first aid after seeing Mach E’s labyrinth of thermal tubing Funniest skit ever.

OMG the thumbnail. He's gone full KZreadr.

@knalltutemichl3473

3 жыл бұрын

Sandy 😍😍 Legend

@HiberNAT

3 жыл бұрын

He ascended

@davidbeppler3032

3 жыл бұрын

Has he challenged Jake Paul to a boxing match yet?!

@FreedomFinanceFun

3 жыл бұрын

And the skit

@MarkXHolland

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, full-on 'The Scream' thumbnail. 😆

"Cory, get the Octo-valve." Hahahahahahahahahahaha

@shirolee

3 жыл бұрын

Hahahahahahah

@DocOrtmeyer

3 жыл бұрын

😂

@TenaciousP5k

3 жыл бұрын

How good was that hahahhah love it

@mikel4879

3 жыл бұрын

😂🤣😂🤣 Very funny, Sandy!

@danielsusca

3 жыл бұрын

EPIC joke!

Even though the mach E is powered by electric ford's still building it like it's a fossil fuel car.

@dtibor5903

3 жыл бұрын

No, this is worse, i never saw so complicated cooling system in a production car.

Ironically, even with all that cooling infrastructure, it still overheats. Kyle Conner did his standard Colorado mountain run and the Mach.E overheated.

@danmobile

3 жыл бұрын

Not even ironically, that's probably exactly why it overheats.

Automakers have never had their designs examined on available media, and now with new designs coming through, they are going to have to step up their game. The Japanese goosed them a bit in the 80s, but this is a whole new ball game. What was cutting edge for aircraft in the 80s needs to be standard for automotive today: more castings, efficient structures, weight reduction, digital control, etc.

@mrw417

3 жыл бұрын

We can also now watch some random bubba build a really solid electric car from a scrapped chassis and a handful of parts he bought on Ebay. We all know electric cars can (and should) be much simpler than ICE designs, and genius-level skills are not required.

@bill_the_duck

3 жыл бұрын

​@@mrw417 There's an enormous difference between some guy building an electric car that's "good" for him, and a car company building an electric car that's "good" for the regulators of multiple countries and millions of demanding consumers using the same design in an wide variety of situations. Things like this hose mess don't happen because the designers are stupid, they happen because dozens of teams are solving different sets of new problems in parallel and this is just where they had to stop and get the product out the door. They'll sort this out iteratively like anyone else would.

@paladro

3 жыл бұрын

@@bill_the_duck where the rubber meets the road, eh... ))

@jan.tichavsky

3 жыл бұрын

@@mrw417 Like Elon says, it's easy to build a prototype but it's hard to build factory which builds these cars reliably and efficiently.

Oh no, even Munro goes down the slippery slope of KZread with this thumbnail 😂

@MunroLive

3 жыл бұрын

Sandy was truly shocked. It warranted a cliche thumbnail. Thanks for watching!

@TheCapedCoconut

3 жыл бұрын

@@MunroLive It's nice to see he's also having a bit of fun while making these. Thanks for the video.

@cbmusgrave

3 жыл бұрын

Sure, but the thumbnail was spot on - the innards looked like Ford hasn't learned much about building cars over the last many decades.

@briansilver9652

3 жыл бұрын

@@MunroLive Would that be "cliche" baiting?

@ziggyyo

3 жыл бұрын

@@MunroLive That was so unexpected and entertaining 👍😁🤣

Munro is bringing transparency to automotive technology. That's a great thing.

@MunroLive

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Alan.

I don't think I will ever buy a vehicle again before seeing a Sandy Munro tear-down

@csweezey18

3 жыл бұрын

Same. I don't think I could ever look at a Mach-E the same again after seeing... whatever that was under the frunk...

@johngalt5205

3 жыл бұрын

Just buy a Tesla, you wont regret it.

@rogerstarkey5390

3 жыл бұрын

@@excelrobot Don't bet against it..... But there will be a major redesign starting on Monday!

@RayNLA

3 жыл бұрын

Welcome to Tesla can I take your order?

Just like back in the 80's before they figured out the proper way to do emissions systems. You opened the hood and all you saw was a sea of vacuum hoses going everywhere.

@stuartbear922

3 жыл бұрын

No kidding. I remember my 1987 Honda Accord. Hoses everywhere. They were high quality hoses mind you.

@StrangeDuck

3 жыл бұрын

@@stuartbear922 i had an 87 accord. eventually took the motor from it and put it in an 89

Monroe putting Ford on check absolutely classic. In essence Ford couldn’t have had a better opportunity. It’s free information, take it and change your building and engineering process for the better. Of course many people i.e. engineers will have varied information and dispositions but from what I’ve seen Monroe is some one that’s hard to argue with. I absolutely love your channel and all your information Sandy thank you so much you are a wealth of knowledge.

Seems Ford wants their electric cars as reliable as their gas ones. 🤣

@sherwoodbaker2714

2 жыл бұрын

Sure thing H1B visa dude!

@mattgray6436

2 жыл бұрын

They are higher rated reliability than a Tesla so..

@kevinstorm6009

2 жыл бұрын

@@mattgray6436 They're much too new for anyone to accurately 'guess' as to their reliability! The name of the car is a joke; Ford is so desperate that they recycled the Mustang name into this electrical plumbing nightmare? What a joke!

@dennissimo7546

2 жыл бұрын

They want to make sure that their dealer's service departments makes $$$$$$

@mattgray6436

2 жыл бұрын

@@kevinstorm6009 say joke again and maybe something you say will mean something. Ford has a higher quality build. Tesla’s are struggling from poor build quality but the fords aren’t. So lol.

Sandy doing a sketch .. never thought I'd see the day - loved it! More like this please, informative, interesting and fun

@MunroLive

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@johnbuchman4854

3 жыл бұрын

Sandy: I hope you warned the wife about this skit! If she sees it without being forewarned...

@mjcamp01

3 жыл бұрын

I think if they had recorded Sandy's original reaction it may have been unbroadcastable 🤬🤬

@raymondschembri5042

3 жыл бұрын

@@mjcamp01 The F word would ve been said so many times.😀

@StevenBanks123

3 жыл бұрын

You should have seen the “beer cooler in the frunk” episode.

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAH That fainting spell was classic!!!!! Octovalve smelling salts hillarious

What a clusterf**k.

@relansis6962

3 жыл бұрын

LMFAO 😹😹

@MunroLive

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed.

@billbosch9127

3 жыл бұрын

This is what humanity has dealt with since the big money pushed out electric vehicles in favor of their profits dating back to the early 1900s. They destroyed our environment, caused massive illness and death in favor of the almighty dollar. We need a new paradigm like what the Venus Project proposed. I was "woke" by the Zeitgeist movement when I saw his 1st project. I'm still fascinated with it's predecessor...Technocracy. It assumes we use energy credits as currency and science to guide our use of resources as opposed to corporations who are driven by a fiduciary mindset over science.

@don2deliver

3 жыл бұрын

@@billbosch9127 The compact energy of liquid fuel is what drove the internal combustion engine as the primary automobile power for over 120 years. How would huge electric batteries moved by the burning of coal for 100 years have been any better for the environment?

@sherwoodbaker2714

2 жыл бұрын

@@don2deliver I’m afraid the electric car morons really have no clue!

Great video. Since I am really interested in a similar teardown of the id4, I searched for Id4 + teardown on KZread hoping to find some German equivalent of Sandy. Turns out such a thing doesn’t exist. No one is creating content like this. Keep up the fantastic work guys 👍

1:16 Surely an Academy Award performance 🏆

@johnbuchman4854

3 жыл бұрын

Something to add to your office display case before your next filming there!

Everyone at Munro: Don’t forget to ask them to subscribe! Sandy: Seriously? Every time?!? You gotta be kidding me.

@TheDarinseng

3 жыл бұрын

At least the first 4 mins of the video isn't some musical junk along with pimping someone's product. =)

Designed with as many parts as possible that can and will fail to support the dealer network......Plain and simple.

@Sir.VicSmasher

3 жыл бұрын

That is the blueprint behind their [Ecoboost] line of engines.

@don2deliver

3 жыл бұрын

There is nothing plain and simple about recharging a battery through regenerative braking. The comparison is not like Electric vs Nitro RC cars.

@rzu7120

2 жыл бұрын

You could fix this yourself with parts from an old washing machine.

@USNEM

Жыл бұрын

Wait till you own a tesla bro lmao......your car will be in service and you're gonna pay thousands, then you'll find out that the techs are morons too and will return your car more messed up then when You dropped it off.....but ENJOY your tesla, they are on sale right now lmao

@davefroman4700

Жыл бұрын

@@USNEM LOL. My Neighbor owns one that he has been using as a Taxi for 5 years. You could not PAY him to drive a gas or hybrid again. His operating costs are 70% less. And that includes maintenance which has been Bugger all except for shocks and tires.

Amazing content. I love the way you think about reengineering things to improve manufacturing, cost, and simplicity. Every company should be thinking this way no matter what business they are in.

@MunroLive

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Elon: making cars is hard. Sandy: I get that, a lot.

I bet even SpaceX's Raptor engines need less hoses than this.

@harrychu650

3 жыл бұрын

Probably designed so the dealer's service shop can get some service dollars

@robertopics

3 жыл бұрын

Aren't space toe engines simpler by design anyway?

@DarktroopX

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertopics the basic principle of rocket engine is simple, but the engineering to make it happen is really complicated with crazy amount of pipes, valves, etc. You can google some images of raptor engine and see for yourself (note: raptor engine is probably the most complicated rocket engine ever - due to the full flow stage combustion cycle they have chosen / but that means higher efficiency).

@johnpoldo8817

3 жыл бұрын

What does the Mach e maintenance manual advise for frequency of inspection for hose leaks? Are the covers on all these modules water tight so a leak doesn’t short-out electronics? I hope it’s not every 10K miles because that’s not much better than 7500 mile oil changes on an ice vehicle.

3 жыл бұрын

@@harrychu650 no, it's designed to move most car repair staff to the insane asylum.

The arm chair critics are well represented here, give Ford some credit for a first attempt and like most things, will improve over time !!

@hogi99

2 жыл бұрын

Will it? They've been making cars and trucks for over a century now and they still don't have it down?

The rats nest under that frunk looks like the workings of a drunk with a knife and some duck tape.

@alesksander

3 жыл бұрын

So like Rich rebuilds xD

I can’t wait to hear what the “scrap if dropped“ mystery module is

@MunroLive

3 жыл бұрын

Next episode!

@markedwards4879

3 жыл бұрын

My guess is a shock sensor

@goldreverre

3 жыл бұрын

It's as good as a Bond warning, "burn after reading".

@jakeh8366

3 жыл бұрын

It's the Off Board Charge Controller, used for DC fast charge.

@p3ak927

3 жыл бұрын

An ECU for the charging afaik

Ford engineers: f it! It’s gonna be covered by a frunk no one will know….. Munro: wtf is this and passes out.

Found Sandy yesterday, and am really enjoying his knowledge. Absolutely fascinating videos!

Wow, very revealing! Thank you for sharing your findings with us!

Well one thing I can say for sure that when it comes to acting ….. you’re an excellent engineer.

@MunroLive

3 жыл бұрын

Haha. Sandy keeps his day-job for sure.

They just took the Octovalve to the obvious conclusion... Tentacles everywhere!!

@davidbeppler3032

3 жыл бұрын

Too bad ford did not pay Munro for the teardown of the octovalve. They could have saved themselves millions and built a much better vehicle.

@Cowclops

3 жыл бұрын

Nonsense, it makes me feel great, smarter, more aggressive! I feel like I could... like I could.... TAKE ON THE WORLD!

@jimdetry9420

3 жыл бұрын

@@jackiebigd4224 Ford has a "Scrap if bought" sign on the corporate headquarters.

@rogerstarkey5390

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimdetry9420 Cruel!!! . . . . . But fair! (And probably correct!)

@davidbeppler3032

3 жыл бұрын

@@jackiebigd4224 No. I like Ford and I hope they transition and survive. The company, not the vehicles.

Great information. Always good to assess effectiveness & efficiency in any project/product/service. Well done!

You remind me that we owned a 1986 Taurus MT-5 (2.5 l 4-cylinder/5 speed manual) and a 1986 Acura Legend (2.5 l V6/5 speed) simultaneously. The ashtray in the Taurus was made up of a plastic face with a metal ashtray riveted to the face. My recollection is that the metal ashtray was a 3 piece assembly. The ashtray on the Acura was a one-piece injection-molded part with the finish molded into the plastic. It was a sad comparison of the two cars and even as the Taurus was a great packaging job, it failed in many details. Needless to say. the 90 hp four cylinder was no match for the 150 hp 4-cam V6 of the Acura. The saddest part was that the Taurus had potential as a competitor to the Acura - it drove and handled reasonably well for a 3000 lb sedan. Sadly, as with most domestic cars, the accountant influence on the Taurus' design created a visually pleasant automobile that really did not compete well against the Japanese cars of the time.

“Simplicity is the mark of a genius” -Plato

@psdaengr911

3 жыл бұрын

-and the simple minded.

@theuncalledfor

3 жыл бұрын

Amazing. Plato got something right for a change. Oh well, a broken clock is right twice a day, right?

@GntlTch

3 жыл бұрын

@@psdaengr911 Self identified?

@thomasj5722

3 жыл бұрын

So they found out in the 80's that those clamps leak, and they still use it 35 years later.. America baby

3 жыл бұрын

"well, hose is a quite simple thing" :-) -Ford

Can you imagine being engineers having their products reviewed like this. Must be tough. Huge Munro fan! Love the videos!

@seandrake7534

3 жыл бұрын

You should hear the crap they get when they go out on the production floor

@gregcollins3404

3 жыл бұрын

I can't believe these companies don't hold internal design reviews. This mess would be a target rich environment for reviewing engineers. The problem the designers have is all the constraints they have to work under. Bean counters, ASAE standards, corporate mandates, safety standards, inventory backlogs, styling restrictions, union rules, its never ending...

@powertothesheeple5422

3 жыл бұрын

@@gregcollins3404 Many design reviews are held years in advance before the first prototype is built. In reality Vehicle Operations (the assembly line) calls most of the shots when it comes to the architecture of the vehicle packaging. It has to be able to be built quickly on an assembly line within their tooling constraints first and foremost and in some cases serviceability loses out.

@opfreakx7661

2 жыл бұрын

@@gregcollins3404 when people like Murno get called in they have months to improve a part. the production engineers get a few weeks to solve a problem with dealing with 5 other problem

@HansOvervoorde

2 жыл бұрын

I'm afraid that this is another typical example of an engineering team working purely theoretically. It's not the engineering team's fault though, they did what was asked for. The true problem is that no one is responsible for overseeing and keeping the full project in line from engineering through parts needed through assembling all together in the most cost efficient way. That would be a big cost saver, makes products much more reliable, all leading to a bigger profit. People capable of achieving this are out there, just not that many. Whether it's replacing software at an accounting firm or this, I recognise the exact same problem.

Well produced video on mach-e frunk, way to go Sandy, Cory and the team.

Great job! Thank you for explaining.

The part under the superfluous cover on the right also had "scrap if droppped" embossed into it

@LiviuIonescu

3 жыл бұрын

There are many parts like that, but the one with the sticker is unknown for what is doing

@mikeselectricstuff

3 жыл бұрын

@@LiviuIonescu Looks like a load of silicone gooped under the lid of that box..

@Vyckaxxx

3 жыл бұрын

Lots of stuff to scrap if one hits serious pothole

@phamuc11735

3 жыл бұрын

Tube technology?

@markplott4820

3 жыл бұрын

Scrap the MUCK-e if Drooped..........LOL.

ICE executive: “we need to increase range” Engineer: “decreasing parts and weight will increase range and the cost/mile” ICE executive: “put a bigger gas tank in it”

@JeepCherokeeful

3 жыл бұрын

All engineers: reducing a “little” weight doesn’t result in significant range increase and cost/mile savings

3 жыл бұрын

@@JeepCherokeeful a little weight + a little weight + a little weight + a little weight ... = :-)

@JeepCherokeeful

3 жыл бұрын

@sure and a very little mpg gain plus a very little mpg gain = very little mpg gain. FYI batteries are the heaviest component, so saving a couple dozen pounds on plastic, well ok? Driving style has a much more significant affect. So don’t exceed the speed limit and accelerate like Grandma;)

Wow what a great video, full of insight, Thank you for making these happen.

That is gonna be a nightmare to own later on

@JSchrumm

3 жыл бұрын

Clearly not designed to last or be owned second hand.

the media on TESLA "the competition is coming" .... yeah right

@davidbeppler3032

3 жыл бұрын

Hey, they are able to compete with the 2012 Model S. Only makes them about 9 years behind. The media sees Big Auto following Tesla and thinks they will magically overtake them somehow.

@jlisaacs

3 жыл бұрын

So is tomorrow, but it never arrives either!

@alanmay7929

3 жыл бұрын

@@jlisaacs thats what she said lol...

@mikafiltenborg2291

3 жыл бұрын

Competition is only coming for ICE cars...

The "Scrap If Dropped" component is known as an Off-Board Charger Controller, OBCC. Used for DC fast charging to bypass the SOBDM/BCCM.

@joeyscleaninglady2877

3 жыл бұрын

so basically the DC fast charge contactors

@jakeh8366

3 жыл бұрын

@@joeyscleaninglady2877 contactors will be in the BEC with the other contactors and HV fuses.

@joeyscleaninglady2877

3 жыл бұрын

@@jakeh8366 interesting tesla puts their DC contactors underneath the rear seat (in the Model S) between the Onboard charging modules. Independent of the high voltage traction pack contactors (precharge and main HV contactors)

@passinthru5992

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah,that’s what I was thinking.😂

@Mr2winners

3 жыл бұрын

Also tesla has the components spread out , charger in the back, in a lost chunk of space inverters on/in the motors itself

This guy is awesome. Experienced, concise, matter of fact, and humor too. Thumbs up!

I really did enjoy that. Thank you for this because it’s really great to see the reason why engineers decide to utilise certain components in the construction of power plants in cars and better alternatives often either are over looked or done on the cheap to cut costs. It’s also great to know what to look out for because prevention is better than cure so preventative maintenance is key and I would be replacing those hose clamps with modern jubilee clamps, if not replacing the hoses with moulded pipes joints (where possible) so hose clamps are kept to a minimum, less is better when it comes to pressurised scalding water or coolant in the area of HT-HV wires. Thank you for the great advice I will put it to good use ! 😉👍 !! five stars for great advice !! ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

LOVE the THEATRICS! lol

Oh no, it’s Hose-Gate! Hose-a-poloosa! Hose-Fest! Brilliantly Dramatised! 😂

@MunroLive

3 жыл бұрын

Hose-a-palooza! We should have used that! Nice.

@batandball617

3 жыл бұрын

@@MunroLive Glad you liked that one. The engine bay did look overwhelmed with hoses. It was sure lucky you guys were able to resuscitate Sandy using the restoring powers of The Octovalve! Thank Elon for Octovalve! 😂

@johnbuchman4854

3 жыл бұрын

@@MunroLive A nice embellishment would have been to have the octovalve rushed to the scene in a First Responder FUV. Perhaps we'll get to see that in the Director's Cut?

@batandball617

3 жыл бұрын

@@excelrobot In Birmingham, U.K., there is a complex motorway intersection known as Spaghetti Junction. Check it out on Gooogle!

Love your videos especially the passion you have. Bless your heart sir

@MunroLive

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Abel.

The high probability of leaks might mean more trips to the dealer and service fees/charges $$$. Dealers will be happy with this kind of design.

@dennissimo7546

2 жыл бұрын

And that was a planned design

I was genuinely like "come on, how bad can it be?" I've never seen the term "spider web" apply to the cooling hoses of a car, but I guess there's a first time for everything. Between the hoses and the Jenga tower stack it looks like a horrible mosh posh, hopefully Ford keeps using Munro's advice.

@anydaynow01

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah it looks like a prototype project car! Hopefully the next generation will be better engineered and packaged.

@MarcoNierop

3 жыл бұрын

Well, If I understand correctly, Sandy has quit his job at Ford because they did not listen to him.

@felixsu375

3 жыл бұрын

I thought he was exaggerating until I saw what was under the fronk. Then I was flabbergasted. This is Ford Engineering?!? wtf?!? Was it someone right out of college? Now I am too terrified to buy a F150 Lightning because it will look like the Mach-E. I could have done a better job than that.

@xthegrim

3 жыл бұрын

@@MarcoNierop Seems like that was when they were able to get away with it. It looks like they are open to suggestions now that Tesla is shaking up the industry by LISTENING to engineers, what a thought.

@xthegrim

3 жыл бұрын

@@anydaynow01 I'm going go on a limb and say it's a good overall first step into electric, though I'm really just parroting Monro and Associates, but I'm liking what I'm seeing. Sure it's going to fall short of the leader in the industry, but it shows that they are trying to innovate.

It's 2021! When I saw all the hoses under the Ford hood I was thrown back in time to my Dad's 1979 Lincoln Continental! And I thought that beast had a lot of hoses! I think that the Ford Engineers were under a lot of pressure to get the Mustang Electric out the door and to heck with good design.

@patreekotime4578

3 жыл бұрын

Everyone is. Tesla put pressure on the market and the market is responding as quickly as it can. The problem is that these companies are not used to moving fast to begin with, and moving fast with new technology is especially difficult. And I think we all knew Ford was going to be using a ton of off the shelf parts... It is simply how they operate. For years it was assumed that just BUILDING an electric car was enough, but in the coming years it is going to get more and more about quality. An EV shouldnt require much maintenence and this is a car begging for it. Not good for the future. And especially sad considering how great the exterior/interior and features generally are in this and the Lightning.

@muskokamike127

3 жыл бұрын

"to heck with good design" that's ford's motto since the 2004 F150 came out.

@rogerstarkey5390

3 жыл бұрын

@@patreekotime4578 "Moving fast"? They've had the Model S to tear down for 8 years and the model 3 for 5. A simple "Why does theirs look like that?" Should have been enough to start questions being asked. This smacks of zero "out of the box thinking"

@psdaengr911

3 жыл бұрын

"Ford staggering into the 20th century from the wring direction." A Ford ELECTRIC vehicle with more cooling hoses than a Ford ICE!!!

Thank You Munro Live.

Love you Sandy! Great content as always

@MunroLive

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bud!

A plumber’s nightmare!

That “competition” is still years away in technology

@hqsound5582

3 жыл бұрын

15-25 years behind.

An educational channel that’s more entertaining than most tv shows, well played sir!

Omg I needed that🤣 Tks for the laugh, keep up the great work!!

What Ford called it: Mach-E. What it should be called: Medusa.

@crhu319

3 жыл бұрын

That's gonna stick lol

@crhu319

3 жыл бұрын

Seriously make Medusa stickers for it.

@alesksander

3 жыл бұрын

Or more like KRAKEN lol

Geez, Sandy. Glad you're OK. Us old guys can't take engineering stupidity like we used to. Keep it up. Love the videos. Jess

@6:00 There's another "scrap if dropped" under the cover. The hose situation looks deliberate to me, maybe to appease some suppliers, or many failure points to develop strong lasting relationships with the local dealership service centre.

@Akira282

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, also I noticed that their limited warranty is nothing great. It's worse than Telsa's warranty, along with Hyundai.

Sandy pulls out the Mach-E frunk and discovers 2 live Octopuses living under it.

Now I know why the Mach-E’s owners manual suggested maintentence schedule says to have the cooling system inspected every 10k miles. I thought they were just trying to throw a bone out to the dealers who are losing out on oil changes, since every 10k miles seemed way too frequent, but maybe that is actual real, earnest advice from Ford.

Holy crap. Sandy has grown to absolutely love doing these videos. A year ago if you asked him to do that, I bet he would have either fired you or punched you in the face. Love it guys! Great job as always with the videos!

great video ! thanks guys !

Putting postit notes on everything for reference is quite nice!

That looks like it was quick kludged together like just ship it.

@bobbbobb4663

3 жыл бұрын

Agree. I’m also shocked at the routing of hoses around the electrical components with those cheap clamps. One more reason to avoid this car.

The best doodad is no doodad!

@dorhocyn3

3 жыл бұрын

Works for our neighborhood cats as well as our cats

Very interesting video and many good points. Thanks.

Wow as always. Great insights for customers. Painful but needed input for manufacturers.

This is fantastic. A in depth engineering review of a vehicle like nobody else does. Awesome job team Munro.

@MunroLive

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Another BRILLIANT Sandy video - dress it up any way you want - Love or Hate Tesla - wake up Car industry - they (Tesla) are going to leave you for dust, Innovate or go bust. The best part is no part - the best process is no process.......Elon Musk.

Outstanding!! Thnx

Great job Sandy! Pretty self explanatory for even a layman!

I was one of those frunk commenters! Feels super special to get a Sandy shout-out.

So how do we engineer a electric car where we can still do Maintenance and repairs. Ford - "hold my beer".

@GroovyVideo2

3 жыл бұрын

exactly

Sandy is so proud of his plastic battery tray...the highlight of his engineering career.

Excellent and thanks.