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I'm a Capricorn, we are too logical to believe in astrology.

@lifeisironic7496

5 жыл бұрын

what a self contradictory statement!

@RonJohn63

5 жыл бұрын

@@lifeisironic7496 what a complete missing of his sarcasm.

@johnh539

7 ай бұрын

I never pay attention to Astrology but I would have to put my hand up and admit to being a typical Torus . You may need to convince us , but if you do we concede happily.

The only star that affects our lives is the Sun.

Question: What's the difference between astronomy and astrology? Answer: About 50 IQ points ...

@giovanni9107

8 жыл бұрын

+carver3419 I'm stealing this quote. Just letting you know.

@carver3419

8 жыл бұрын

+giovanni9107 It's not original with me ....

@michaelnowak5542

8 жыл бұрын

+carver3419 Are you sure it's only 50?

@carver3419

8 жыл бұрын

+Michael Nowak well, I wrote "about". Maybe that's the median on the curve.

@thesage1096

8 жыл бұрын

+carver3419 ur smart.

Thank you SO much for this video! I've been trying to talk to my sister about her beliefs in astrology and this puts it in such a clear and simple and beautiful way. I'm sure it won't change her mind and she probably won't even watch it. But it makes me happy knowing I'm not alone in knowing how much bs (as beautifully illustrated by the graphic) astrology is. Thanks! Great vid!

1:50 The Taurus "constellation" is great!

@UncleKennysPlace

5 жыл бұрын

It's taking a great one, to be sure.

Great video! I missed DeepSkyVideos :-). Thank you!

Great video, I love the way Dr. Gray explains everything :-)

DeepSkyVideos isn't nearly active enough anymore. Keep them coming!

What a fantastic job you have Brady ;)

A correction... If we could "turn the sun off" during your birthday, we would not see the stars of your birth constellation according to the modern system. It is based off of the times of year established thousands of years ago. Due to the earths axis changing orientation the sun actually points almost an entire sign away from the sign you are told you are. (clockwise when looking down from north to south) So if you are a cancer (according to the common system) you were really born when the sun and earth were in line with gemini ect...

There is a thesis that your birth date actually matters in terms of health issues (and maybe also character) - but that it is depending on the available foods during different phases of your mum's pregnancy. And maybe also depending on the available daylight in your early life and other environmental influences. I think that would make sense.

@RonJohn63

5 жыл бұрын

That's an interesting thesis about the times before heterogeneous food supply (and probably even now in places where the food supply is cyclical).

Great video, thanks!

Yesssss, more deep sky videos!

I would have liked you to talk more about axial precession with time and how it makes astrology look even more bunkers if possible! It's so much fun! For example I am a gemini but the sun was actually in the constellation Taurus on the day of my birth!

Great teaching thank you.regards

I think that portrayal of the constellation taurus might just be a commentary on astrology. I get that feeling somehow.

I believe there are also more people born around this time of year, thanks to new years parties etc. so even if the constellations were of equal size, the number of people in born each would not be.

@petros_adamopoulos

9 жыл бұрын

Actually you are right and this video is the bs. To astrology all signs last about a month. Nobody cares how large the constellations are.

@kainebishop3970

9 жыл бұрын

It is actually because it is cold and couple are often stuck inside bored during the winter.

@Drag0nfoxx

8 жыл бұрын

+Petros Adamopoulos But the fact that they used Ophiuchus implied that this insurance company actually looked at the real constellations instead of the traditional ones

@Mrtheunnameable

6 жыл бұрын

The people who did the study cared.

So enlightening.

Can't wait to see the video about the Messiest objects!

Great video, thanks. I hadn't thought about the sun spending more time in some constellations than others. But I'm assuming the chart you showed is of 'corrected signs', since my understanding is that normal astrological signs are almost 30 deg off due to the amount of precession that has happened since astrology was invented.

This is only the 2nd video I'm watching of yours and I'm already subbed. And I just wanted to thank you for this video. Astrology is a silly thing.

Nice video, but I think I have to take issue with the claim that the Earth's precession (or wobble) has caused the Sun to enter Ophiuchus only recently. The ecliptic - the apparent path of the Sun over the course of a year - is defined by the Earth's orbit. In the last couple of thousand years, Earth's orbit has hardly changed much. Precession itself won't change the path of the ecliptic, only what time of year that the Sun is passing through a constellation. For example, a couple of thousand years ago, the (northern hemisphere) Summer Solstice occured in the constellation of Cancer, and winter solstice in the constellation Capricorn(us) - hence why the Earth has a Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn. Due to precession, these points now occur in Taurus and Sagittarius respectively. I think the real reason why Ophiuchus is now included when it wasn't in the past is likely to be due to the International Astronomical Union fixing the constellation boundaries such that the ecliptic was included within it.

@beauwilliamson3628

6 жыл бұрын

Real reason is that the Babylonian system of astrology has been later overlayed (by the ancient Greeks) onto the Greek constellations.

@jimdunn8375

6 жыл бұрын

You look awesome

@judychurley6623

4 жыл бұрын

But would have shifted the constellations from being directly overhead by some degrees.

I clicked on this thinking there was going to be some astrology shit about my driving skills but was very pleasantly surprised, nice video 👏👏

Clear explanation 👌

I think it's funny how Dr. Gray, who is Canadian, has been slowly slipping into a British accent. You can hear a huge difference between her earlier appearances and videos like this one.

8 жыл бұрын

Hero of the Beach She's been in Nottingham for 11 years.

In Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" series, he showed how the Egyptians believed the constellation "the plough" actually depicted a man with his head up a bull's arse. What a perfect and poetic illustration for what Astrology is.

@firegoggles

9 жыл бұрын

wrong.

@MahraiZiller

9 жыл бұрын

firegoggles What's "wrong"? That Carl Sagan didn't show how the ancient Egyptians thought that the constellation "the plough" actually depicted a man with his head up a bull's arse? I can assure you he did - and you can even find the video of it on KZread. Or that this isn't a perfect and poetic illustration for what Astrology is? In which case, are you seriously trying to claim that there is something to astrology? If so, wow.

@firegoggles

9 жыл бұрын

I just don't have the time to educate you. Here is a tidbit.. The sun has different phases as it rotates and tilts.. those particles that are released at incredible rates of speed at our planet govern things like the female menstrual cycle for instance. That's one off the top of of my head that is more in the facts realm and less in the "woo-woo" that you think it is..There is more... the same phases in fact do seem to effect much much more and that's just the sun all the other celestial bodies have an effect on our planet and ultimately life on the planet. it's just really just hidden science and the people have placed the "woo-woo" factor on it..

@Mrtheunnameable

6 жыл бұрын

You're not a nice person.

I wonder if this is related to the constellation story Brady told on the podcast :o

Dr. Gray slightly misspoke at 4:00. She said: "If you actually want to see that constellation (Gemini) at night you have to wait six months." Gemini is visible from around August in the Eastern mornings to May in the Western evenings, It's only obscured by the Sun during most of June and July.

she’s a fantastic educator!

By the illustrations, I think we can presume that the range of Scorpio + Ophiuchus (present) is = Scorpio (past). So, the insurance data may be converted to: 26,833 + 83,234 = 110,067 Which means that what we think Scorpio is should be around Libra stats (110,592). Still very distant from Virgo (211,650).

Where can I get the map they are using?

If the Allstate insurance statistics are about Frequency of accidents, why should there be any skew? I expect the data was not frequency of accidents (accidents per time per person) but instead absolute number of accidents (total accidents, full stop).

Wow, impressive teaching skills.

I already knew about Ophiucus from the fourth book in the Virals series. It's really good if anyone wants to check it out!

@shadow81818

10 жыл бұрын

*Ophiuchus sorry

Not only is Virgo longer, August and even more so September, are the most common months for people to be born. It turns out that people enjoy each other's company in December, and January.

I was thinking the reason Virgos have more accidents is because they are 15.5 years old when it's in the middle of winter.

@nefaristo

10 жыл бұрын

I thought it could have been something about the season too - and that they were talking about the "standard" western astrology signs, not the "real" astronomical ones.

@mcgrimes

10 жыл бұрын

nefaristo I Suppose the point of the video is that the published data is completely misleading

@Sammysapphira

10 жыл бұрын

Chris Grime Yeah.. We know that.

There was a momentary thrill of smugness on seeing Scorpios at the bottom of that bad drivers list. Then the crushing disappointment when reason dashed the fantasy. Darn you, Science!

Why is it that professional astronomers don't usually know their way around the night sky?

@thescientistsalarian2441

10 жыл бұрын

Light pollution in cities prevents first-hand experience of identifying and observing stars in a practical manner. I've lived in a city all of my life and can only see around 12 stars at night.

@jdgrahamo

10 жыл бұрын

i would imagine it's because they have more important things to do than memorising arbitrary groups of little dots and the historical names associated with them.

@NeonsStyleHD

10 жыл бұрын

Because they don't use constellations to find their way around the night sky. They use the celestial coordinate system of Right Ascenscion and Declination. Think of it as a projection of Longitude and Latitude onto the night sky. This allows a very precise way to find objects, and has no need, or relationship to the constellations other than a point of origin, as does Longitude have a point of origin as the prime meridian.

@geetarwanabe

10 жыл бұрын

I imagine because most professional astronomers spend most of their time studying one small section of the night sky. Unless they have a hobby for night viewing then they are unlikely to know where everything is.

@IMortage

10 жыл бұрын

Many do. Not to the same degree as amateur astronomers, for whom skygazing is usually the centre of their hobby (with sometimes incredibly 'professional' setups). But most do have a firm grasp of the basics. But their professional time is usually spen reading articles, writing articles, teaching, writing computer programs or scripts of various sorts, mining through data, etc. A lot of the work (both in teaching and research) isn't really related to looking at the sky (some of it still is).

How can precession (that only changes the attitude of the earth) change the ecliptic? Isn't the ecliptic defined by earth orbit? Does precession also affect orbit?

I love a good debunking

I thought that it wasn't exactly the planetary plane, but the sun's equatorial plane that defined north and south in the solar system, before I watched this video and north would be the axis (of the sun's rotation) that points rather to Sirius, the polar star. So... is the sun's equatorial plane and the planetary plane exactly identical?

No wonder my insurance rates are so high! I have Allstate and they probably think I'm a higher risk because of when I was born even though I haven't had any traffic infraction in 11 years. Wouldn't doubt it!

U WOT M9?

@t.c.bramblett617

5 жыл бұрын

It's a shame they haven't actually done M8 yet. lol

My pre-roll ad for this was for an astrology website. Yeah. I lol'ed

They also could have mentioned that the astrological zodiac system doesn't even match the real positions of the sun and the constellations. My astrological birth sign is cancer, but in reality the sun moved through gemini when i was born. It all has shifted over the past thousands of years or so and was never adjusted. Hilarious

How many astronomers using Allstate switched to Geico after that press release? That...is the question.

Only one fact is required here. MANY virgos were conceived in the week of christmas to new years. Also more babies are born in the summer, conceived in the winter. I was conceived on New Years Eve (so says the baby doc at the time.)

Do all globular clusters have a black hole in the middle?

While I understand that the stars have no effect on our personalities, I posit this question. Since the astrological signs are an ancient form of calendar could any apparent (real or imagined) difference between people of different star signs be attributed to being born under different climate conditions or seasonal events? ie Does a person who grows up celebrating their birthday on the cusp of spring have a different outlook than one that was born in the coldest depths of winter? In ancient cultures would a child born at the time of seasonal flooding be treated different than one born at the time of harvest? Given that the zodiac is a calendar could the grain of truth at the core of the myth be based on differences we experience through out the year?

Dr. Grey reminds me of my hs class valedictorian, Lilou. I'd always group with her in labs 'cause she had excellent lab technique and she never wanted to copy off me. She was also happy to do dissections when I wasn't even though she was three years younger than me. I can still remember her hair falling into the sheep's aqueous humor. I bet Dr. Grey was an epic lab partner, too.

This lady is so clear in her explanation.

The precession of the equinoxes does not alter the path of the ecliptic, so the sun has "passed through Ophiuchus" indefinitely far forwards and backwards in time. Precession of the equinoxes alters the time of year at which this happens, but not the path itself. Hence, while Ophiuchus is presently a "summer constellation" for the northern hemisphere (visible just after sunset during the summer months), it will be a "spring constellation" 6000 years from now, as the equinoctial points shift eastward. The ecliptic actually cuts across a tiny corner of Cetus, so there are actually 14 constellations through which the sun passes. The auto insurance story is bizarre, since they were apparently applying astronomical constellation boundaries to the astrological signs. Why? Who knows.

"*Most astronomers can't recognise major constellations*?" That's a ridiculous statement !

I'm a Scorpio, never thought that signified much.

Hey, There are 88 constellations, there use to be less. Well less classified I believe previously there was 48 official constellations. Any how with Relativity I would not be so quick as to write off the influence of our birth signs. Whether placebo or not! They do have an effect/influence on all of us.

@Killuminati911

8 жыл бұрын

not on me

@JasonRudolphKruger

8 жыл бұрын

k

@Kizron_Kizronson

7 жыл бұрын

I am intrigued by your argument.... Please explain to me how relativity has a role in making astrology into a legitimate science? Any handy links you have to legitimate scientific papers on this would also be helpfull.

@EnglishMike

4 жыл бұрын

Relativity makes zero difference in this context, nor quantum physics, or any scientific theory you want to claim (without evidence) can explain astrology. Astrology is still bunk. Period.

1:47 Brilliant

@kwgm8578

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. At 1:50 I clicked the 'like' button.

6:15 Pfft Scorpios with their low accident occurrences. I think that insurance companies will find that people named Jizanthapus have the lowest accident occurrences (people named "Homer" are a close second), so should be charged less for car insurance accordingly.

It's more that the modern definitions of constellation boundaries have little to do with how people thought of constellations when astrology was cutting-edge "science". Ophiuchus cutting the ecliptic is the celestial-geography equivalent of Minnesota's Northwest Angle.

3:90 I never actually knew that's what that meant.

So these insurance companies will use any lame reasons to jack up for rates behind the scenes without understanding that Virgo sign is of a longer duration.

Very interesting video. Ive never heared that someone was born under Ophiuchus.

@Obi-WanKannabis

10 жыл бұрын

pretty much all scorpios except those born in October I think. Your sign is not a direct translation of what constellation is in transit with the Sun

@Orenotter

10 жыл бұрын

MrTURBOJOHN Very true. In fact, in the modern era, astronomy and astrology are just about one month off, so that Pisces' month is actually when the sun is crossing Aries.

So that's why the alpha systems in Star Control 2 had bigger stars! Now I can sleep peacefully once more :)

Could astrology have some kind of small bearing because of what times said "signs" are born, e.g. the time of year and the first experiences associated with such things having a later influence in life as in other areas of science its been said that familiarity leads to fondness (not that i believe in astrology, just a thought)

@EnglishMike

4 жыл бұрын

Even if the time of year you are born affects your life in a small way (like being born on Christmas Day or Feb 29th) it still has nothing to do with astrology.

You said 'in June, the sun would get aopear to be in gemini', but I dont think even that is true because of the precession that has happened since the invention if astrology.

I’m a Virgo and someone crashed into my car whilst my car was parked ....

Don’t understand why some people dislike

Huh, from the title I was expecting something like "Virgos have their birthday in the summer, and therefore tend to have their driving lessons in the summer. When winter then comes, they're less prepared then those who had driving lessons in the winter and make more crashes as a result." not "They didn't normalize the data".

Scorpio with amazing driving skills reporting in.

At first I thought it would have something to do with drivers education cutoff dates or something like that. It also could have something to do with virgo being nine months after the coldest months of the year. You know, the months when we all spend alot of time indoors close to one another with not much to do >wink wink

Gotta love star clusters. Btw, 5:42 shows the Hebrew names of each sign

1:48 - All you need to know.

+1 for the allstate data, got me for a second.

"The sun spends more time in Virgo " I thought the sun spent approx 30 days in each constalation, Please explain ?

@howardman3926

7 жыл бұрын

it's not exact, also the constellations are truly defined as boxes

@maitland1007

4 жыл бұрын

The astrological definitions are indeed spread evenly but not the astronomical ones. Its kinda apples and oranges

I love the bull taking a dump.

I'd spend all day looking at those trees out the window

You would think an insurance company (an industry that is almost entirely reliant on statistics and probability) would know better than to publish a study like that with raw numbers and not sample proportions. I would like to know what company did that so I can avoid them... Being a Virgo with a history of zero car accidents, I don't want to be charged more based on something so asinine.

Oh, trust me, us Homestucks who got to act 6 know about Ophiuchus.

I might be wrong, but that explanation doesn't make sense as almost all star signs last the same which is about 30 days.

@EnglishMike

4 жыл бұрын

Astrologers have standardized the star signs so they all last 30 days. In reality, because the constellations the sun passes through are different sizes, if you go exactly by which star sign the Sun is in during the year, they will all have different lengths --- i.e. it takes the sun longer to pass through some constellations than others. This is just more proof that astrology is bunk, since the star signs astrologers use don't match up with the sun's position in the constellations.

Not only that but (slightly) more peaple are born in the winter months assosieted with virgos.

I may have misunderstood the video but shouldn't the title be "The real reason more car crashes can be attributed to Virgos than any other zodiac sign"? It's not that, on average, a Virgo will have more car crashes than others, but that the Virgo group has the most car crashes (because it also has the most people).

5:50 This explanation is wrong. It doesn't matter which direction the Earth's spin axis points, the ecliptic still goes along the same path in the sky. It would take a shift in the inclination of the orbit to move the ecliptic.

Out of curiosity, why does the symbol for Taurus in this video look like the bull is pooping? My son pointed this out to me. Cannot unsee. Also, awesome debunking of pseudo-scientific and supernatural hokum. Too bad people will continue to believe only what they want to believe.

I'm a virgo... a crane crashed into my car once while i was parked

32 astrologers disliked this video

@rhoddryice5412

3 жыл бұрын

I quite astonished that only ten more people have disliked this in over four years. 42 as of March 2021.

The explanation of precession was not correct. Precession does not change which constellations the sun moves through. Rather, it causes the position of the equinoxes to move along the ecliptic and thus changes the constellation the sun is located in on the equinox. Or to put it another way - it changes what time of the year the sun moves through each of the constellations but not which constellations it moves through. A full cycle takes 26000 years.

Tell us how you really feel, Dr Gray!

You're not a taurus, dr. Gray. Because of the precession of the equinoxes, the dates assigned to the zodiac constellations are outdated. You were actually born under the sign of Aries, near the IC279 galaxy.

13th zodiac "ophiuchus" introduced in 2013, i missed that one lol. does that make me aquarius now ? never mind i dont really give two. xD nice one for the vids

@thewaywework

8 жыл бұрын

+Collyman There are 12 zodiacs, it's just Scorpius had its claw cut off and made into a libra. I don't know what Ophiuchus ever did to be expelled, but it had to be something really bad. Maybe it has something to do with carrying a snake.

Sheffield? First time I'm noticing that, has she moved? ;)

@DeepSkyVideos

10 жыл бұрын

Dr Gray is still very much at the University opt Nottingham - we just sometimes feature Sheffield astronomers too (e.g.: Paul Crowther)

2:00-2:20 - I can't imagine that anyone has actually proven that. "heavens" includes the sun. I'm about as unscientific as it gets, but I'd be surprised if someone can't find a correlation between the season people are born in and some development process. After raising a child, I can say there's a world of difference between a 2 yr old and a 2.5yr old. I can only imagine that the season a person is born in has some effect on development....look at that book Outliers - didn't they argue that kids born in specific date range have a better chance at being a hockey success? That's driven by hockey season, which is driven by the sun (or some such), yes??

Talking about the time the sun spends in constellations, doesn't get to the heart of the matter because in popular astrology, the signs are of (approx) equal duration

@nikoyochum6974

7 жыл бұрын

right, but in the statistics released, they were in regards to actual transit time

Just knowing she is Taurus an earth sign, and all about earthly possessions tells some of why she has these attitudes...

I have the trouble understanding the sun travels in the Constellations. It is more like because the sun blocks the Constellations while the earth goes around the sun.

I'm an Asparagus and I dont get in any car crashes at all

Can you prove that our zodiaks doesn't affect us? If you can, I would also like you to explain how our self-awareness works. Can a bunch of atoms really build a conciusness or is there something more that we aren't aware about?

@ericvilas

10 жыл бұрын

You can prove the first one through an extensive study. The second one, there currently is no answer for, and is completely unrelated. It's one of the biggest unsolved mysteries in neuroscience. Doesn't mean we won't find the answer someday :)

@marzcorp

10 жыл бұрын

Well the problem with disproving things is that you normally need some evidence to disprove first. You try; my teapot causes oaks to shed their leaves in the autumn. Disprove this. Also ask yourself if a bunch of atoms can make my thoughts appear before your eyes. This would have been beyond an act of God 500 years ago, but since then we have learned many things. The brain is much more complex then just a 'bunch of atoms' and we don't yet fully understand it, let's at least finish understanding it before we consider whether the position of the sky affects who we are.

@amihartz

10 жыл бұрын

Now those are extremely unrelated questions. And yes, it is proven that astrology is bullshit. There have been many studies on twins, both born on the same time, and seeing if their star sign affects them. And they never do.

@superdau

10 жыл бұрын

Can you prove that you aren't influenced by an invisible pink unicorn?

@amihartz

10 жыл бұрын

superdau I am. :) Her name is Steve.

0:55 Looks like an alien head.

The anecdote starting at 4:40 is nonsense. Astrological star signs do not follow astronomical constellation boundaries. They are twelve evenly spaced sections along the ecliptic.

@maitland1007

4 жыл бұрын

Yes. The original thing from Allstate was a joke. This video didn't seem to realize that and also maybe didn't realize that astrologers don't use the astronomical constellation boundaries.

I don't agree with Astrology generally... but I think it's a bit presumptuous to think that we aren't affected at all by the other bodies in the solar system. I'm sure they affect us, but we just can't sense it. String theory? I know 6 capricorns - including myself - and I might be imagining things, but I really think we have traits in common :) Stay open minded people!

@shallowfakes593

8 жыл бұрын

+Wes Joe I think any doctrine about astrology would have a much stonger effect than the objects themselves.

@majorkatzmann2240

8 жыл бұрын

+Wes Joe > but I really think we have traits in common Of course you do. If you take any random six people and think hard enough, you will find a lot of common traits among them. Even if it was unlikely for six people to be as similar as you say, you can't make ANY predictions based on a couple data-points. > Stay open minded people! My idea of an 'open mind' means taking things seriously when there are reasons for them to be taken seriously. Not 'act is everything was true even if there is no evidence for it at all'. I'm ready to accept that stars can influence people's lives but only if rigorous statistical analyses of data would clearly indicate that.

@nicejungle

7 жыл бұрын

You can calculate how much astronomical bodies are affecting us. And this is many orders of magnitude LESS than the car passing by on the street below LOL

Mark Warbington Welp......keep me away from cars.