Thank you Luke for explaining to me that I should keep my M1 and forget about upgrades until 3 nanometer tech is here.

@fmt1890

Жыл бұрын

Unless you're getting a Mac Mini

@piotrd.4850

Жыл бұрын

There's never reason to upgrade to next generation of Apple - it is good to skip at least THREE.

@YoutubeSupportOfficialUS

Жыл бұрын

3nm is a brand, it’s not Actualy 3nm

@geoffstrickler

Жыл бұрын

Don’t take that as an absolute, but it’s a good recommendation for 90+% of users. For a small percentage of people, the M2, and especially the M2 Pro improvements will be worth the upgrade. Cost/benefit analysis. If the cost to upgrade (including time to copy all apps and data), less the value of trade-in/resale of old machine will be more than offset by the productivity increase of having a machine that is ~20% faster (10%-40%) for the next 9-12 months, then you should upgrade ASAP. If not, you should wait.

@matt2m

Жыл бұрын

@@piotrd.4850 unless you bought the last of the intel MacBooks. I’m so glad my gut said buy a nice tv. It delayed my purchase for 3 months and I bought a m1 MacBook Pro. I know myself if I went the other way and bought it I would have replaced it within the year.

What do you think about the M2 Max? Plus, check out Upgrade+ to get started with a new way to buy your favorite Mac: go.magik.ly/ml/1qjwc/ If you're planning on purchasing the new MacBook Pros, use my links to help support the channel! 14" base model: go.magik.ly/ml/1qjrn/ 14" full M2 Pro: go.magik.ly/ml/1qjrs/ 16" M2 Pro: go.magik.ly/ml/1qjrp/ 16" M2 Max: go.magik.ly/ml/1qjrq/

As always THANKS so much. What about the 14 inch M2 Max with 30 graphic cores? I am upgrading from a 2015 Core i7 quad core macbook pro. Will I notice a difference while using final cut?

Could the 120 fps cap on the wildlife extreme test be limiting the gpus? Maybe that's why the difference seems so small. From the graph it looked like both macs were hitting the 120 fps maximum other than a few dips.

@GordonLoJ

Жыл бұрын

about to comment this

It would be interesting to do a battery test running the fans at stock, 50%, and maxed out while operating the same tasks.

@giorgos7six

Жыл бұрын

Hi Mark, this reply we both got in our posts, is it a spam msg?

@tadhgd350

Жыл бұрын

@@giorgos7six yes

@giorgos7six

Жыл бұрын

@@tadhgd350 doesn’t Luke reply, or fix this spam issue?

@acasualviewer5861

Жыл бұрын

if you increase the fan speed it will eat battery life faster. I think Apple sacrificed temp to keep battery life comparable to the M1.

@tadhgd350

Жыл бұрын

@@giorgos7six kinda hard to fix the spam issues

Great video and just the kind of analysis I was looking for. If I had one of these, I'd run the fans hard while working on video editing or exporting video/audio. That could maybe help the laptops last longer.

Regarding the 3DMark test, the "small difference" seems to be because the absolute max score one could get is 20,000. Both machines are trying to achieve 120 fps during the entire test, which the M2 got incredibly close, while the M1 has a lot more drops in the frame rate. A better way to look at these scores would be, M1 Max: 18.79/20 vs. M2 Max: 19.91/20. I think that helps communicate how much better the M2 Max really is!

“Secret battery test whoooaah!” Haha that cracked me up. Luke you are such a natural presenter, its always a pleasure to watch your channel. Great useful review.

Thanks for the heads up Luke about these chips and the tests you did! Can’t wait to see what M3 and beyond bring to the table.

@rrsharizam

Жыл бұрын

Not much I think except all the improvement will come from TSMC

The high temperature is a problem for me if the fans are audible. I'll be interested to see what happens with any upgrades to the mac studio.

Great video! One thing I wanted to point as for the 3dmark test. I think the frame rate is capped at the refresh rate of the display (120fps). I think that's why the test were so close. If you look at the graph displayed under the results you can see it's hitting that threshold.

Luke, is there a real performance/thermal difference between 12/19 M2 Pro MacBook Air 14 and base model M2 Pro MacBook Pro 16 ? Considering buying M2 Pro model, but I’m torn between 14 and 16 inch I like how compact 14 inch is, but I love how cool and silent is 16 inch model It will be my main computer for work and daily use

I have an intel MBP i9, and I have used it for 3d for five years now. 100 celcius is common, and yet everything still works just fine.

@framedthunder6436

Жыл бұрын

Maybe a thermal paste change Would be great

Thank you , this helps , i was wondering why my new M2Max (same config) 16” macbook pro was running hot

Kinda glad I got an M1 MBP 16", heat is the enemy of laptops and my last Intel MBP suffered a swollen battery and screen problems due to the heat it generated.

@Myoshin.

Жыл бұрын

@shaanz Yes they are a greedy company unfortunately

Great video Luke! Very comprehensive and well-edited, enjoyable watch, Thank you for posting high-quality reviews of the M2 Macbooks!

Got my M2 Max 16 last week and I am absolutely blown away. Granted, she did replace a 2017 MBP and a 2018 Mini, so I was easily impressed. My cat loves how hot it runs, too!

@Sirmellowman

Жыл бұрын

haha, careful though. kitty hairs and macbook fans dont mix well =D

@Teluric2

Жыл бұрын

Who would knew a new mac would be faster than 6 year old mac.?

Wow that’s awesome. I need to get a new laptop (my old one is from 2009, 17”), I keep procrastinating, nice work Luke!

12:48 the battery test twist ending and the “Whoaooaaoo” lololol

Great video Luke thank you. Could you possibly do one for the M2 Max 14" as well?

Is that a good idea for long term. How can you control the Mac fans manually

Does this overheating, or high temperature problem happen while simply editing? Like if you're cutting an interview, color grading, adding motion graphics, etc.? Or is it just heating up a lot under video export?

@melvargarcera04

Жыл бұрын

Hi it is heating, im using m2 max to esit video usi g premiere pro

Hi, about 3Dmark I think it's probably because it hit 120fps (screen refresh rate max ?), so because it stop at 120fps it cannot show when M2 should hit more than that. As you can see on the graph, it's almost flat on the M2max but fall lot more time on the M1.

5:00. It's worth noting that the rate of thermal transfer between two systems (say your CPU and the environment) is in large part controlled by the delta (difference) between those two systems. So by letting the chip run hotter, not only do you get less fan noise (because the fan is moving slower), but you actually get more cooling effect per CFM. Of course, there are other considerations as well, such as component life, but we just have to hope Apple knows what they're doing.

Can you add a link to the background on your M1 Max MacBook Pro? I really love it!

I wouldn't even mind having a bit more fan noise when needed that is no problem with these units.

I would rather have lower temps and a little more fan noise. That's why I use TG Pro.

@lukemiani

Жыл бұрын

Same, I don’t like the idea that my SOC is just baking at 104C all the time

@m-stat9

Жыл бұрын

fully agreed.

@alexblankenship7385

Жыл бұрын

I agree. I want to always get the most out of my cooling system and keep my temperatures as low as possible. Fans certainly have a purpose and they should be used.

@jbar_85

Жыл бұрын

Yeah my Dell laptop has that option to adjust the fan speed and performance.

Any comparison benchmarks of these and the Mac Studio models?

Interesting comparison. Regarding the GPU is looks like the improvement is mostly due to the number of cores and that the cores perform marginally better (

Luke; another outstanding video. Re The 16" 2021MBP M1Pro chip: how does one turn on the fans? I just want to hear them run to see what all the hubbub is all about, and I've never overworked it. THX ! Bob

@trebor1745

Жыл бұрын

@@TELEGREM_Thelukemiani........ I see in other comments that there seems to be a fan toggle somewhere in settings. Hints?

Well, they did up the performance by 20-30%... and upped power usage by about the same. With the same cooling solutions and chassis, you get thermals to deal with. This is not at all to say that the M2 MBP is a bad machine, just that you either let it get hot, or use software to adjust the fan curve and possibly get a bit of extra noise.

@andyH_England

Жыл бұрын

Yes, no big deal, and techies, the main viewers of videos like this, should not be worried about using a fan app to vary RPM!

We saw with the M2 MB Air that Apple are confident that 108 degrees are acceptable for these chips to run at. I suspect they have tested them, and there are no long-term issues. Maybe, with the M1, they were overly careful as they were releasing ground-breaking products. So, I have no issues with the temp, and if I did, I would just run the fans at a higher RPM to lower them. Bearing that most of us rarely run at full load, the occasional 100% blowout will be fine.

@TheStopwatchGod

Жыл бұрын

Maybe they capped the M1's because Apple had to prove the M1's were capable machines that didn't run super hot. That proving was already done, so with M2 they decided to push the silicon to it's limit. I assume they will do the same with M3

so the best thing to do is get TGpro and set a custom 20% higher vent curve to be on the m1 temp level? right

what would be the best convenient solution for fan control or fan curves??

Can you use a 3rd party heat sink pad to reduce the heat?

What app did you use to look at the CPU temps and control the fan speeds?

Where can we find the wallpaper? 😃

Your explanation about thermal throttle is on the point 👌🏼

How do you turn on the temperature readings in the top bar?

So I have a 2010 MacBook Pro 13inch Nvidia Geforce 16GB ram, 1TB SSD. I am looking to get a 13inch MacBook Pro with 16GB Unified, 1TB SSD, M1 or an M2 14inch because I don't really need the touch bar. I need help choosing because all the hype was unified last year with the M1 but this year everyone is demoing the M2 and sticking with the M1. I am a music producer so I just need the internal ssd for program stuff as I use external ssd's to save projects. I need a recommendation to last the next 10 years.

Could you please do a video on the current 14 inch M2 Max vs last year’s 16 inch M1 Max? I’ve heard that the 14 inch form factor is more prone to throttling but I don’t know if I believe it. Also, how does the base/binned M2 Max with 30 GPU cores compare to the full-on M1 Max with 32 GPU cores? That would REALLY be interesting to see! Again, great vid Luke.

Hi bro some needed suggestion wanted to purchase gaming laptop from only apple product is it worth in terms of lag or heat issues?

Hello. At the same price would you buy a Macbook Pro 14 with an M2 Max 32Gb Ram ou an M3 pro CPU 18Gb Ram? Thanks 😊

Reviews typically say RAM has little to no factor in most tests whether plugged in or not, but I have the same M1 Max MBP with 64 GB and I get slightly more than 120fps and almost 20200 without messing around with any settings in Wild Life Extreme.

Hey! Love the video, I was just wondering, what app do u use to edit these videos! Thanks!

Thank you! I was looking for someone who can tell me if the SSD also got slower like in the 512GB Model, thanks for clarification and the nice Review!

Is this still true of the M2 Max on 14"? I've seen games run way slower on the 14" M2 Max vs the 16" M2 Max. Can I increase fan speed on the 14" M2 Max to match performance with the 16" M2 Max? And if so, to what degree? Will the fans be ludicrously loud if I want to match the 16" M2 Max at whisper quiet fan speeds?

I wish I was there to see the launch reactions of the late 2013 to mid 2015 15in Retinas, because their generational differences are so minimal

What about benchmarks on how each chip works with apps like Photoshop, Illustrator and Indesign?

I’ve ordered the 14” MBP - M2 Max 30c GPU - 32GB - 1TB… I hope it is fine with editing videos professionally with resolutions up to 6K.

I have a M1 MacBook Air. I got it a year and a month ago. I have never got it to warm. What’s crazy is that have never gotten it warm. I mainly use for home use and some work from home when I leave my work laptop at the office. It’s been a nice little machine, especially when not using Safari. 🤣

Thanks I just bought today the baseline M2 Max 14" MacBook Pro with 2 TB today to upgrade from my M1 Mac mini. and planning to dock the computer at home. I am so excited!!

@Makta972

Жыл бұрын

How do you like the 14 ''? How's the battery life and fan noise ? Do you have 30c or 38c?

What app do you use to monitor temperature and fans? As on 3:27

The TG Pro tip for setting fan speed is absolutely invaluable thanks a lot for that! Strange decision from Apple to let the chips get so hot

@acasualviewer5861

Жыл бұрын

its a heat vs battery life/noise tradeoff.

THX Luke, like always you nailed it ... writing on my MBP 16" M2 Max. Your content is the most accurate ... never a waste of time, thx!

Benchmarks are still suboptimal almost across the board for Apple Silicon so expect temps, fan noise & scores to increase as time goes by as developers get to grips with tile memory & Maxon updates Cinebench with the current Embree library. 3D Mark appears to need some work (where are the power draw figures?) but Gfxbench is quite optimal and showing fair scaling - it was the raster 3D benchmark which showed the M1 Ultra 64 outperforming the RTX3090 (you had to look into the figures).

@daveh6356

Жыл бұрын

@@garrusvakarian8709 valid and the 3D Mark graph clearly shows the cap. I was more concerned with Cinebench (old libraries) and Geekbench compute which is only scaling to 2.8x rather than 4.75x GPU core count (GPU compute should scale well) - can't recall if he does GB though.

hi thanks for this. just one question do you see any difference between a 16" and 14" M2 Max 38C ? I mean performance wise. screen obviously is 2 inch bigger :)

@harrison00xXx

Жыл бұрын

better sound, the 16“ is more practical on the lap (better stand and especially better keyboard feeling), the 16“ is a long runner on battery and can charge an iPad and iPhone all day long besides being used as well. 16“ just give more value for the money and the screen size is so much more usable. Even 16“ is for serious work questionable but doable, the 14“ is just slightly better than a Netbook or a bigger iPad when it comes to screen size. and performance wise yes, the 16“ has more mass and bigger fans so its noticable more silent than the 14“ with the same load. In long term the M2 Max also begin to throttle slightly on the 14“ but that has to be ridicilous load on all/most components to 100% which is close to impossible. so it stays more or less at the fact the 16“ runs cooler and/or more silent than the 14“ but all M2s are „hot“ boys. i really prefer my M1 Pro in 16“, more than enough performance for my needs and some years

@MikeOstrovljanovic

Жыл бұрын

@@harrison00xXx thanks for your reply!!! much appreciated. I am having a M1 MacBook Pro and it's really really good but I am finding its limits while video editing and after effects usage. that's why I am considering the m2 max.

There is a terminal command for Mac that I use all the time on intel machines that will tell you if the cpu is throttling and how much it is throttling. I have not tried it on Apple silicon yet but it should still work.

@dawidpalen

Жыл бұрын

And what’s the command, please?

@DJXRetro

Жыл бұрын

pmset -g thermlog

How can we raise the fan speed?

Wonderful review man. Super detailed and very informative for those (like myself) trying to upgrade their macs. May I ask if you ever did a review on the Apple Card or Best Buy card cuz I'm thinking of going that way towards a new mac

@jbar_85

Жыл бұрын

I did the Apple Card.

@MasterStix

Жыл бұрын

@@jbar_85 any dilemmas getting it? And how is the payment plans going for you on it?

14:28 how do you set your fan speed?

What app do you use to show the CPU temp and ram/cpu usage on the top bar?????

@PhuNguyen-my9un

Жыл бұрын

Istat

@JoaoAlves-ce1fi

Жыл бұрын

@@PhuNguyen-my9un is there any decent free app that does the same thing?

I am buying the 16 inch M2 Pro with 32GB of RAM and 1TB of storage. Good video!

Thanks for all the tests and benchmarks! As a developer I’d love to see some numbers about compilation times in Xcode (totally random example).

A really nice and useful review! Thank you!

Did i see correctly that the M2 Max has a beefier heat pipe solution than the M1 Max? Good deal, now it just needs a slightly larger heat sink stack so the fans can disipate more heat for the same airflow

As someone who really wants a quiet, long battery life, high build quality powerful media and CAD computer. But saving money is quite a big commitment, should I get an M1 pro 16, m2, or something else?

great comparison, can u compare on game like resident evil village for gpu differences bt ?

DO YOU know how many ssd chips are in the M2 Max models?

@geoffstrickler

Жыл бұрын

On the M2 Pro/Max, 512GB is 2 chips, 1TB or larger is 4+ chips. On the M2 (non-pro/max), 256 is one chip, 512 or larger is 2 chips.

You can try to throttle this CPU by doing CPU and GPU benchmark rendering at the same time. I wonder how it will perform

Can you comment on the M2 Max performance when in a 14” model?

The fps seems to be limited to 120 for in your 3DMark test

this is really weird, why does my 10 core m1 score the same as your m2 max? on r23 mine scores 14.6k

Did you make some benchmarks, how the M2 MAX will perform in low power mode? That might give less temperature on the chip, but still a great performance.

Would love to see Logic Pro X Audio track tests across the ecosystem as well

These crazy and abritrary videos that are useless to the average person except for us small minority of people are why I’m subscribed to Luke Miani

@cheapme1850

Жыл бұрын

Lol, it’s like reading reviews on the new Z06…I’ll never have one but it’s fun to read about. I say this as someone who has a MBA M1 and a few MBA vintage 2012-2013.

@kateofone

Жыл бұрын

Most people only need 64 gb ram

@tazzamund

Жыл бұрын

Super relevant to me - I’m deciding if I’ll upgrade. Thanks Luke

@Helios.vfx.

Жыл бұрын

@@kateofone agree. Depends of the workflow but that's right

@brandoncrabtree7273

Жыл бұрын

I’m sayinnnnn

I'd rather get an M2 Pro MacBook Pro (for now), if only to avoid the 108° C. temperature issue. Hopefully, Apple with the M3 MacBook Pro models redesign the case with both active fan cooling and passive vapor chamber cooling to keep the SoC running reasonably cool.

Helpful review-clarifies why I might go M2 Max over M1 Max for my first Apple silicon Mac purchase!

so what's your say? Is the M2 not good buy for all devices? I'll get a 16inch but I think M1 is still good right

MadOnion was not founded in 1997 to be called a little iPhone benchmark🤣

Regarding the heat, could it be possible that the M2 is really an M1 with more cores but overclocked?

@eddy6959

Жыл бұрын

I think that is pretty obvious. They did some other tweaks and improvements to the chip design but the improved performance is done by overclocking.

Look at that 3D mark graph, it’s clearly capping at 120fps (maximum screen refresh rate). So the reason the gain is so small is that we’ve reached the limit of that benchmark, unless it can be unlocked, I think.

100 degrees c?? My ryzen 7 which is known for running very hot only peaks 85 degrees c at max 💀

We just upgraded everyone to M1 MB Airs, and 2 M1 iMacs last year so there is no need to upgrade at this point. I am noticing the line between Pro and non Pro in the Apple ecosystem is getting more and more defined. For the average user, there would be no issues with the base models.

This is an actually USEFUL video indeed. I would love to see the same comparison between 14" M1 MAX vs 14" M2 MAX vs 14" PRO, battery-life, thermals and throttling wise :)

@Mandem909

Жыл бұрын

Same!

@ServiTecCondesa

Жыл бұрын

coffe?

@milanstojanov

Жыл бұрын

This!

@bigsur370

Жыл бұрын

MaxTech does those videos

@Sinopticum

Жыл бұрын

Same!

Thats internal temp not out side one.. Apple purpose made chip to run in high frequently and high clock speed so internal temp will br high and its fan kicks in slower too than previous one .. Still it not heats as bad as intel ones

Where can i get that liquid wallpaper?

Great video! Do you think 32gb of ram is enough for your usage 4-5 years down the road?

@supergewoon

Жыл бұрын

I would say yes, depending on the use case. I myself edit a lot of television commercials and even with a lot of footage, grades and composites it’s stil runs great. I don’t think video footage wil become a lot bigger/heavier in the next 5 years. If you do a lot of 3D work I would say go with 64GB. Also the Mac Ram works great in combination with your SSD, so the low priority stuff like opens tabs wil be pushed onto the SSD in a seamless way.

@paulwilliams4274

Жыл бұрын

640K of RAM should be good enough for anyone

6:44 loved that transition haha, X files or where is it inspired from?

So Luke, are these M2 Macs worth buying over the M1s ? Let's say I don't have either. Would you consider waiting for the M3 chips?

@lukemiani

Жыл бұрын

TBH the M2 stuff is great, but if you're not in a rush I think M3 might be worth the wait!

Can you please compare the two 16 base models 🙏

Great review. Thanks for telling me about the Best Buy upgrade program. It sounds like a hassle free way to upgrade!

@stevenedwardyoung

Жыл бұрын

Dude, the “$43 per month then $439 after 3 years” means you pay $3279 for a $1900 machine. Run away from “deals” like this like they’re the plague.

Does the mac feel hot when you do everyday tasks?

@andyH_England

Жыл бұрын

Cold as ice.

Please do a more tricky resolve test by adding noise reduction on the clips and see how many fps you can get in real-time playback

Great video always 😮

Kinda weird why Apple hasn't increase the cooling performance?

Used 14 & 16 M1 Pro mbp are really great deals at the moment. Way cheaper for not much less performance

@NaterooAE

Жыл бұрын

Any tips on where to find these deals?

Guess 2k sports arcade edition and Star Trek game in arcade section isn’t best idea if units get very hot after while or after 10 to 15 min approximately.

This old i7 running Ventura was $180. And your videos look fine on it. Laughing all the way to the bank...

3D Mark has maxium of 120fps so no scaling because of that... It is capped at 120 fps