I will not support these brand who’s playing hermes game. I went to Rolex last time and they kept telling me nothing is available in the store and some people is buying stuff for almost $250k still can’t get the simple Rolex, I automatically turn off and get Cartier watch instead. My husband is the same, we will not lower our standard to beg like the brand is something special. We own the money, and if they don’t want our money, it’s okay we can buy from other brand.

@ImenBen12

Жыл бұрын

Would you say you support Hermes and their tactics as they pretty much do what you just described?

@sitinajwa3616

Жыл бұрын

@@ImenBen12 nope. I never buy hermes.....i rather buy chanel or dior than hermes.

@jss_104

Жыл бұрын

Yes they should not be supported. They are just mere merchants. They can't do without customers we can do without them. I find people indulging them stupid.

@tarreemhacaruso2687

Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU ❤

@tarreemhacaruso2687

Жыл бұрын

Siti their acting like their bringing out something unique. If you can’t tell the difference between a 2009 birkin or Kelly or rolex or a 2019 item then their shenanigans are moot.

Luckily for me, I am a stubborn person.. The more they do this, the more I won't buy. In fact I am preparing for recession and planning to sell some of my stuff and just enjoy the rest at least for next few years xoxo

@kathleenwang

Жыл бұрын

same here, don't fall for the stupid strategy

Don't believe the hype, nothing it worth being on a wait list for unless it's and organ. Second hand market from reputable sellers have plenty of items to purchase. Any brand that makes you wait or tells you you have to be a VIP customer is not worth it. I've found several pieces that I've wanted from VCA and Cartier that are no longer available from other reputable sellers. So do your research and you'll find what you want at the right price.

@katepanpaya415

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely!! Second hand market offer amazing pieces with best quality material and stones and they are made in Italy / France!

I no longer buy from Hermes, Rolex or Chanel. I enjoy my existing collection and still buy from Cartier and VCA (long waiting but I know I can get the piece, never cared for the holiday pendant). I get similar joy watching other people unboxing without spending a penny 😂

These games are really degrading… these are luxury items but the shopping experience is not luxurious. They saw Hermès getting away with treating customers like this, and they all wanna get in on the degradation.

I had a similar experience at the Van Cleef boutique in late October. Went in to get my necklace cleaned and, while waiting, I asked to see the holiday pendant. The SA told me they were sold out already, because of the limited stock, and were only allocated to the VIP clients. She showed me a picture of it, since they didn't have it in the store, and when I saw it was in white gold, I said I wouldn't have been interested anyway 🤣

They're just following what Debeers did years and years ago in the diamond industry. It's called manipulation. They control the supply of diamonds to give them the appearance of being rare when in fact diamonds aren't rare at all. They created the idea of spending 2 months salary on an engagement ring to boost their profits. It was a marketing campaign that still dupes people to this day. There are very talented, independent crafts people all over Asia who sell pure, undiluted 24k gold jewelry that is, by far, more beautiful and holds its value better than any watered down 10k, 14k or 18k alloy piece from the typical jewelry stores in the states. Do what makes you happy, but know what you're really getting in terms of gold value and weight.

@YST19718

Жыл бұрын

So true. Been to the jewellery shop and seen a couple bring her diamonds necklace to sell back to the shop with receipt and got back 60 percent of her money. Gold price these days are high.

At this point I know I will not be able to buy the same items my parents had, and I do not care. I learned to value myself more than a specific brand. There are plenty of fish in the ocean, and this is exactly what the big brands are trying to hide from us by getting into the whole “piece” and “limited” and “classic” talk. It is just a bag, just a shoe, just a watch. All brands to this, really, but the issue with the “luxury” brands is that once they sell you the “ultimate” they have nowhere to go.

This Topic so good I jumped on my tablet from my tv. I don’t support shenanigans. If Luxury is doing so well that they feel they can steer a whole customer base towards the Pre-loved market during the beginning of the recession then more power to them. Not playing games to purchase items. The customers that they are giving it to is selling it 😂😂😂🤣🤣How exclusive is your product if there’s a zillion Birkins, Kelly’s, Van Cleefs, etc sitting on the secondary (Pre-loved) market ready for purchase 😂😂😂🤣. My answer is not very. Hermes is starting to realize that their missing out on a customer base which is why their CHANGING their strategy. Obviously the shenanigans aren’t working and they rather cultivate those new customers willing to spend the cash in their stores 🤣🤣😂😂🤦‍♀️💆🏾.

Can you believe that VCA is only giving out paper boxes in 3 of their best selling stores and plan to “protect the environment” by NOT giving out “proper jewelry boxes + travel pouch”, but instead paper boxes only worldwide next year?!

@chrystelvijzelman7017

Жыл бұрын

Wooow really? Where have you heard this? That is unbelievable/disgusting. Spending thousands of dollars at VCA and not being worthy of a proper box/jewellery pouch 😒. These brands are becoming less and less “luxury” this way.

@dolleeeh

Жыл бұрын

It’s funny that many people blv this lol

@deannab8890

Жыл бұрын

I have a box of boxes in case it want to pass something along or resell. I don’t actually need them, I have a jewelry box. Most people don’t need boxes unless it’s the only piece of jewelry they own. There’s so much packaging coming into a house, I’m sure there’s a pouch that can be repurposed.

Thank you Vivienne for your point of view, i totally agree with you! I got my cartier love regular, small et my regular juc, straight from the boutique, but Im on a waiting list for my rolex since july, i will let u know if i can get my hands on it eventually !

What’s is more upsetting is that I know of a certain influencer in Singapore that isn’t a VCA fan, who just have 2 entry pieces : a vintage pendant & a MOP 5 Motif in her entire collection, who only got 1 lucky spring bracelet in 2022 which she resold days after she got it ( since it was so easy for her to sell with a significant following and keep her credit card points) & she was offered the Holiday Pendent 2022 on the first day of launch. That really boils any VCA fan’s blood isn’t it?? Like what is VCA’s guideline of a “VIP”?? Really perplexing. 😒

Don't care about Hermes or Rolex. Just want a Breguet watch and Celine. For VCA, if they are doing what Hermes does, I turn to pearls brands such as Mikimoto or Paspaley. There are so many options and I don't intend to sell my items in the future so those so-called investment spending on luxury goods doesn't exist for me. Don't allow brands to play me.

Thank you for the informative video. I am glad I got JUC and love bracelets last week. I still want Vca 5 motifs onyx bracelet and my SA said that it will be preordered. Lol😂

Amazing video. So sad to hear about VCA. I'm glad I purchased everything I wanted a few months ago. Hope you can get your hands on the holiday pendant!

Thank You so much for educating me regarding some of these brands! I noticed CHANEL has gone crazy by not selling more them two handbags per year. I will no longer buy their ridiculous products anymore because the Legendary Karl is no longer directing. I'm staying with HERMES and looking into Van Cleef & Arpel large Necklace :) and new HERMES :)

This is what these brands you to do exactly is to grab and beg. It's rather a turn off.

I noticed that Chanel’s is starting to do this. However, for me I rather just jump and head up to Hermes instead and bypass Chanel because I don’t think Chanel is worth it based on their quality. Hermes bags are handmade and I appreciate that.

That is crazy! I only buy occasionally and I guess now I won't be on anyone's list to buy lol I'll just enjoy my vintage stuff

Wow, that is so crazy about VCA holiday piece they have thresholds? Are you serious? You still can buy bracelet, just went to website. Thank you so much for sharing darling 💕

Went to the Rolex AD at Crystals Las Vegas back in August. Told them my interest regards to another Daytona for hubby's birthday in September. And you're correct none of the dealers have any on hand, but got the call 3 weeks later. I bought my stainless steele back in 2008 and all my purchases were back when Benbridge was an AD. So no "history" per se with them. So call me lucky. It's not always the case.

LV is doing it as well just had to message SA about a fur Pom Pom.

You are actually right about this. My husband’s employee wanted to buy a rolex for herself since June and still nothing for her. When she told them she is working for my husband, they said ‘’ask your boss to come instead ‘’ lol. My husband got the rolex in 4 days. My husband bought 18 rolexes in 10 yrs time. He offers rolex to loyal hard working employees as a gift on their 10th year service in the company. She actually got one last 2017 but wanted a new model now. Once you own a rolex, you will ONLY want to wear a rolex.

You have a beautiful collection.

Omg, it was so easy to buy Holiday Pendant in Canada! I have purchased one this year and I don’t have big purchasing history… I guess it depends where you are…

@izabella1944

Жыл бұрын

same experience. I chose not to get it

@Vanessalele

Жыл бұрын

What where in canada?😮

If they’re playing that game, better to keep them for desperate crazy people! Who i don’t think are that many! luxury stuff is now accessible for many of us, but it doesn’t mean at all that i should fight to get any item, it’s all about the whole experience, from entering the shop to the after sale service! If i am not getting what i am paying for, then i’m quitting!

The watch game was always very limited. They sell to their regulars, harder than shopping for B/K. I guess when u ask & they have it available to buy it immediately like u said my lady. 😅😘😘😘Sandy

@bmrn1571

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, this is the MO for luxury watches and cars for a while. Jay Leno has been vocal about it in reference to cars for a long time

I was offered and purchased the VCA holiday pendant this year even though I didn't care for the white gold. The celadon porcelain made by the famed Royal Sevres Porcelain factory intrigued me. Hermes, on the other hand, has been a long long journey. 11 months on from when I first started, and over $20k spent, still no quota bag. I'm gonna give it one more year and then I'm going reseller route or only shopping in Paris or other European countries. This is getting so ridiculous. I regret not going the reseller route to begin with. If anyone is looking to get an Hermes bag and not interested in any of their other products, dont even bother to go through the boutiques. Just goto a reseller. Get your exact specs for a few thousand premium. Worth it.

can't believe vc&a turned you down for the holiday pendant given your purchase history with them. the SA i had the contact of told me they need to go to VIP customers first (i only have 2 items from them) and i was like ok whatever... don't want a porcelain pendant anyway haha gonna go to cartier then where my SA was so nice 😂

Everything I purchased I had to pre order

Can you please do a video on the updated Hermes policies.

This happened to me at VanClef in Neiman Marcus - they made it sound like the scarcity was because of the pandemic. Makes me think that this will even translate to clothing brands/bags, etc. At first I thought their lack of inventory was due to no one shopping in person, but now I think it started with that and they adapted to online, and now create forced scarcity in the stores. They don't care if they close their brick and mortar - much cheaper to operate. The sales people are the first to suffer this :(. They all know that recession is coming and that luxury items are first to be hit. This is their way to hunker down.

Hermes started this and it is because people are willing to beg for a item the journey thing is simply begging . . I'm sorry you are a store you sell things I shouldn[t have to buy other things to get what I want. I will spend my money else where there are plenty of brands who will gladly take my money The fact is for the money you spend on the well known jewelry you can take that money and have pieces designed for you that can be unique and not have what everyone else has.

@bmrn1571

Жыл бұрын

H did not start it, as crazy as it sounds, this strategy (be a VIP/big spender in order to get access to certain products) has been used in luxury watches/cars long before, mostly on men's lux side. H probably got the strategy from them. In cars, it is even stricter in some cases, to even be considered for a very limited sports car, you not only have to be a big spender but own certain limited cars already, (yes just to be considered). That could be the next step for H. (To get certain birkins you would already have a birkin or 2 on your file etc)

The reason i no longer buy VCA is the limited stock they have in store. I just tired have to wait and keep asking S.A that is there any stock left of A/B/C? No, I just want to buy something meaningful to myself. Not a trendy or to prove anyone that I have a special order from these brands.

@jhwibm

Жыл бұрын

Always love Cartier since their price keep going up 😢

I cannot believe you are not qualified to buy the holiday VCA pendant... crazy!!!

@katepanpaya415

Жыл бұрын

So insulting 😡

prices of goods have gone way up, take calf leather or ostrich as example then add inflation, both cost more and less of best to go around hence supply/demand issues AND just read an article about less craftspeople, watchmakers, jewelers, leather crafters + such, in past generations would follow family into same work but not so anymore thus less people to make watches as an example - would think VCA has a very limited supply so they decided to offer to perhaps people buying high jewelry collection as if we assume more limited than "normal times" they have to have a process, at least they were honest - global economics are most definitely a factor, these are not normal times, cheers!

I find it embarrassing that any consumer cooperates with these insulting strategies. That’s some pick-me behaviour right there. There’s so much luxury inventory out there now, and you don’t even need to buy it new with how the resale marketplace has exploded. Not to mention, queuing up to buy the It-item says nothing good about your personal style and simply marks someone out as being in thrall to a brand’s marketing department or as an insecure person desperate to prove your wealth. If a brand you like doesn’t value or respect you enough to just sell you the thing you showed up to buy, move along, friends. Take your money and your self-respect to a different brand.

Now Van cleef is doing this game? Real turn off 🤦🏻‍♀️

@katepanpaya415

Жыл бұрын

I was a big Van Cleef. No no more , don’t even feel sorry

That’s so crazy about vca ! Pretty upsetting :/

*HERO PRODUCTS???* Clearly you are Not serious right? Also, I believe these fashion houses do indeed have a shortage of QUALITY products due to all of them being found out about. Stop Purchasing, the prices will drop. They are all Beautiful pieces but I refuse to be controlled. Thanks for sharing. 🧡

Just been on the website and in the part of the world where I am, we do not have that issue. All the online products are accessible to us here. Was in Carier the other day and they have all the popular stuff here also. The only problem we have here is people not wanting to spend large about of money due to cost of living. In fact Cartier was that empty I walked in and got seen straight away.

@1971caz38

Жыл бұрын

They need to stop their ridiculous price increases. 10,500 for a full Love bracelet Really!

Years ago, all I wanted was an authentic Hermes Kelly. I designed for a famous fashion house.I get it, I do, but now that we have all caught on to the game why are we still playing it? It reeks of insecurity. The prices have become obscene. We can be immaculately attired and elegant without appearing desperate to be included in a 'club'.

I thought the “inquire by phone” on van cleef meant that you need to call customer service to locate the item because it’s low stock and they find it in store for you to purchase. Not referring to the holiday pendent, but the other styles on the site that say “inquire by phone.” I didn’t look at it as controlling stock, but as low stock. What does it mean Hermes has done away with the waitlist and are easier to purchase now? I heard you say that at the beginning of the video. I only own a belt and bracelet from Hermes so I’m not super familiar with the brand.

@perthfanny3017

Жыл бұрын

No, when it says "inquire by phone" it means they don't have it (at least in France). It might different elsewhere though^^

@chocolatecoco8570

Жыл бұрын

@@perthfanny3017 interesting because when I called customer service they were able to locate an item for me in store that was “inquire by phone.” I then called the store they located it at and purchased it. If “inquire by phone” means it is out of stock why wouldn’t it simply say “out of stock” instead of “inquire by phone?” It’s a bit confusing!

@perthfanny3017

Жыл бұрын

@@chocolatecoco8570 the SA told me it was possible to pre order it (I don't know if you prepay it or pay it when they have it available). I guess it just depends. They sometimes might be able to locate one for you or pre order if nothing is available. Who knows haha

@chocolatecoco8570

Жыл бұрын

@@perthfanny3017 oh ok! Yeah I just asked them what store it was and called the store myself because I figured if they “has somebody contact me” nobody would ever call me back. 😂 It ended up working out well though! 👌🏾

I never bought VCA, the cheapest material and the highest price, so tricky.

I think if you can get anything from the store, just leave it to them. There are plenty of alternatives

They play games. I will play too by buying a replica at a fraction of the cost.

They want to make their products more exclusive and make more money. We bought my husband’s Rolex after putting his name on the list for 3 months. The brands try to copy the Hermès anti-marketing strategy which has been successful. But Hermès is Hermès. Chanel bags don’t have great resell price, for example. Thank you for sharing!

its a strategy for their sales and makes us want to purchase more to get the one we want 😢

I'm getting a Geta bag from Hermes and I'm donezo :)

I find this all distasteful. I'm not even in the market.

@MyFirstLuxury

Жыл бұрын

🙁

@ginkat1318

Жыл бұрын

@@MyFirstLuxury this reminds me of the diamond industry, false scarcity creates demand and high prices. Now that lab grown diamonds are available, less mined ones will be sold. People will find substitute luxury goods also. BTW, I crave diamonds anyway.

@notreallyhome

Жыл бұрын

@@ginkat1318 blame that all on DeBeers! we all love sparkle, lol!

Luxury car brands are doing this too!

@sqwekity2

Жыл бұрын

Lol Toyota is doing it 🤣

Yet another reason to buy preloved. But it's sad, because I like walking into the store or browsing online and being able to buy something. The more exclusive brands get, the more they isolate real customers from their stores. Wonder why resellers are so popular these days?

Lol. At the core of Hermes is products made with the highest quality material and the best craftsmanship. They didn't invent the pre-spending strategy to sell more of their "less desirable" products, because all of their products are the best quality (minus some things that are obviously not made in house). For other brands to follow their "observed" superficial "business model", it's going to be a shit show and I'm excited to see their embarrassing retreat of this strategy in 5-6 years.

Thank you for the informative video. Can you do a video on more indepth about Hermès new rules/policy. I have order a pair of loafer on November 2 and today is November 14, the status on my account says "in preparation", no email update or what so ever. Then I ordered a pair of boots on November 3 and they canceled it. I contacted customer service via email and got a general email respond saying they cannot fullfill it. Then why they allow me place an order and have a confirmation number? I don't understand.

It’s disgusting that Van Cleef turned you away. I thought in October they were only taking orders from VIP customers but in November anyone could get a chance to pick one up. Do they still limit to VIP customers for the holiday pendant?

@MyFirstLuxury

Жыл бұрын

I think the stores are operated differently than e-commerce, which seems unfair to their customers.

@maritesparagas5670

Жыл бұрын

I agree, I texted my SA to reserve the holiday pendant last October, my SA just seen my message. I lost interest in Van Cleef, it is as if I’m asking for it for free. No more Van Cleef for me!!

Lol does Rolex have watches that nobody wants ? “ eww look at that Rolex , get that thing out of my face , I don’t want that Rolex “ 😂

I coule be dead in 9 years, not going on any waiting list.... there are enough brands out there which make gorgeous jewelry or Swiss watches.... not worn by thousands and thousands of people.... that ridiculous love bracelet, the Alhambra line, diving watches as regular day to day watches are bad taste anyway.... why you want to have something everyone is wearing all over the world? Let go of these tacky brands... And don't go pay artificially more because a brand wants its products to become rarer..... Go buy from real artists ... (and stop buying the ridiculous Birkin bags).... they are not worth the money.... you're being brainwashed... just because you have the money doesn't mean you should become mindless and spend too much money on overpriced products .... there are gorgeous bags out there, with perfect finishing and details for normal prices... look for example at Aigner (the one from Munich not the American brand with the same name)... Chanel, Van Cleef and Arpels, Hermès should be about quality products and not about making products artificially rare just so that they can charge insane amounts ... f them .... really.

@sophiastern2133

Жыл бұрын

AndreUtrecht. You are SO..O...right !,,

It’s very off-putting when resellers have plenty stock. Individual customers are now just second-class customers to them. The “VIPs” they are selling to are just glorified scalpers. Know your worth, people. Never “beg”

Don’t pull the trigger, just don’t buy. You’ll be fine.

If I were to buy luxury I would buy from Cartier , van clef and Arpels and Tiffany .I would not buy from Hermes you can’t take their purses in bad weather for the $$$$ no thanks Louis Vuitton sounds better for the $$$ and long term care and needs .

I’m a VCA ….vip customer. I think it is s ugly that they say that to you. Maybe vips can team up with ppl like you who want an item. Sad it will backfire on them. They still need to pay rent and salaries, the good times are going to end soon. Everyone’s money is the same, except for naughty money laundering ppl. Like the two women in Chanel counting out 30,000 dollars on the table, yuk

Omg. Don’t play that FOMO game. Take your money else where, or buy their stocks.

They're gonna strategize themselves out of business! How low is a person's self- esteem if you have to beg these people to take your money. It's a total turn-off

Prices in second market for watches has dropped and not all watches hold values like Rolex. Hermes legit can’t keep up with making products because it is by hand. Other brands use a lot of mass production like canvas LV canvas bags. I never buy canvas bags they don’t hold up like leather. I like Cartier, Channel and Hermes watches but they don’t hold value.

I haven't experienced it yet and hopefully I won't.

It actually makes sense that if you are 50/50 undecided of buying a certain item, just buy it. Coz if you dont want it, you will just dump the idea of purchasing. One lesson learned is buy it if you have the chance to. As long as you won’t break the bank. Say no more to sleepless nights

Turns me off from the brand so fast

Blackmail doesn't work with me !,, These brands are banned in my house ....(do you want to wear same pieces as Queen Camila!,...VC bracelet !,,,?) Learn to stay away from the Herd !,, All this propaganda to stay in the news..shows how passe they became... Develop a relationship with a good independent jeweller..and show your personal style ..

Surprised you say H is no longer playing the game. Hmm. I don’t agree.

They gonna destroy the shopping experience. That’s all

They can keep all their overpriced stuff. I won't spend my money on shite I don't want just to get stuff I want. Plus they would make o much money if they would just let people buy when they want to. I think whoever plays their game is mental. I think these brands will lern tge hard way when people won't bother anymore. It's only things, it's not important

Rolex and patek the most basic sometimes ugliest watches ever seen.

This is hilarious. I suspect that after the pandemic and the way the entire collective behaved like a bunch of gullible sheep, the luxury brands took notice. Of course they’re going to capitalize on people who are suckers and gullible enough to fall for such underhanded, predatory marketing tactics. As someone who actually has self respect and likes to think critically, I do not support brands that aren’t going to treat me like a valued customer. The traumatized, insecure suckers with daddy issues can take the bait all they like. After the economic tsunami is done with us, I suspect a lot of folks are going to regret being price gouged by Chanel on absurdly overpriced, subpar luxury goods that they didn’t need. If you look at the M1 money chart and see all the cash that’s been printed, that should give some idea of where we’re headed. Spoiler alert: it ain’t gonna be pretty. Now is the time to be smart and prudent.

@nikkil764

Жыл бұрын

Most of these aspirational luxury buyers are going to be worried about paying for rent and food in the next few months. You will be seeing a flood of luxury on the resale sites because everyone will be broke.

There is no need of beeging for recognition and validation by a stupid brand , personality can not be buy

NEVER have been a fan of Van Clef, I think it just looks cheap.....Piss on all the brands who are so MANIPULATIVE of the public....There's NOTHING we need that badly to participate in their mental illness....

Awful background. You need a backdrop too stark

Luxury goods are a scam.they are often made in the same factories as dupes