Luthier Quick Tip 6 Wide Frets vs Narrow Frets

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Wide frets and narrow frets can impact the tuning and intonation of a guitar. Here is a tip to consider when selecting fret wire for your next guitar project.

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  • @pallecla
    @pallecla3 жыл бұрын

    Yes, the width of the frets can affect the intonation. However, how hard you press the strings, can affect it even more.

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    3 жыл бұрын

    That'll be covered in the next Luthier's Quick Tip (already in the can).

  • @nicolashrv

    @nicolashrv

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes, but that is not caused because the fret gets worn, but because of the minimal fret height, is like doing a bending down to the fretboard, and it will happen no matter how round or flat a fret is.

  • @pallecla

    @pallecla

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@nicolashrv Exactly my point. The effect fret wear has on intonation is minimal compared to the effect caused by pressing the strings too hard.

  • @nicolashrv

    @nicolashrv

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@pallecla the fret wear has the same effect as having the strings too high in first place.

  • @pallecla

    @pallecla

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@nicolashrv That must be some seriously high frets we are talking about, if you compare them with too high action...

  • @TheNeonRabbit
    @TheNeonRabbit Жыл бұрын

    To hear the difference when a worn fret is off by 1/64th of an inch you're going to need more than a "trained ear". That's gonna require super powers.

  • @123spleege

    @123spleege

    Ай бұрын

    totally, this comparison is a bit ridiculous.

  • @0000song0000
    @0000song00003 жыл бұрын

    i just realized i prefer narrow frets, after buying a classical guitar with tall narrow ones. they are a charm :)

  • @keesketsers5866
    @keesketsers5866 Жыл бұрын

    I prefer jumbo frets, simple reason is slides. Tall narrow frets catch my fingertips with fast slides reducing my speed considerably. I don't care about the intonation difference.....I can't hear it at all, I'm not sensitive to that in the slightest. Almost all of my string breaks were on tall narrow frets, don't know why but that is absolutely clear to me.

  • @AnubhabDas
    @AnubhabDas3 жыл бұрын

    Really love your videos sir!! U r very helpful person. Love from India!

  • @mikeivey8471
    @mikeivey84713 жыл бұрын

    Great info as always !! Thank you !!

  • @shawnadams1693
    @shawnadams16933 жыл бұрын

    Stainless refret with 6100s, now I’m set for life (especially since I just bought a new Suhr that also has stainless frets).

  • @eltigre8978

    @eltigre8978

    3 жыл бұрын

    no way.....way too high! Too big in general.

  • @MontyCantsin5

    @MontyCantsin5

    6 ай бұрын

    @eltigre8978: Too big? It’s all down to personal preference.

  • @mattstolzenfeld4833
    @mattstolzenfeld48333 жыл бұрын

    Extra jumbo player here. Thank you for providing me a brand-spanking new excuse for my lackluster playing.

  • @jouniranta-puska4699
    @jouniranta-puska46993 жыл бұрын

    I would think that the wider frets would also wear down more slowly because of more material in the fret, negating any difference.

  • @budgetguitaristcom
    @budgetguitaristcom3 жыл бұрын

    I've always been a fan of jumbo frets, but I have to say that I'm liking the tall thin frets these days.

  • @user-be9ey4jb3c

    @user-be9ey4jb3c

    3 жыл бұрын

    Narrow tall stainless steel are the best.

  • @ellg5278

    @ellg5278

    2 жыл бұрын

    Stainless steel are the way to go. Don’t worry about the size with stainless steel

  • @notalkguitarampplug-insrev784
    @notalkguitarampplug-insrev7843 жыл бұрын

    That’s why I had all my guitars stainless steel frets refreted (and no tonal differences in my case as the job was done with highly polish process and perfect set up)

  • @ssabp8313

    @ssabp8313

    2 жыл бұрын

    @ no talk What kind of guitar did you put the stainless steel threads ill still frets on what were they medium smoke is medium's small jumbo and what about the tonal changes ?

  • @redhorsereincarnated5040
    @redhorsereincarnated50402 жыл бұрын

    I bought a Les Paul in 1985. It was a few years old. The frets were wide and short and I loved it. I was 18 and it was the first electric guitar I ever played, having only touched an acoustic a couple of times before that. So I didn't really no anything about frets. Not longer after my brother bought a 4001 bass. The word that came mind was craggy. I loved that bass but it was so hard to play. Then he bought a Strat. The frets were so tall and narrow compared to my Paul. I felt like I had to work a lot harder. I had to dig in a little. There's other factors to that, ofc, but the frets really made a difference. It was a good learning experience. Then he got a 70s Mustang bass. The frets were kind of flat and wide like my Paul. It plays like butter. So smooth. I still have that bass.

  • @TexanUSMC8089

    @TexanUSMC8089

    2 жыл бұрын

    Scale length and string diameter can come into play the same way you're describing. Shorter scale will be easier to play.

  • @monitorlizard9971

    @monitorlizard9971

    Жыл бұрын

    I agree with this statement whole heartedly. Im just now researching specifics for my kiesel order. Ive played a lot of guitars and have owned a few prestige higher end models that played better than anything else I could find in stores. my gothic gibson sg was my 2nd guitar, my first real guitar that i learned the most on for the first 3-5 years of playing and its what I learned to shred on. I was 17 18 and could play faster on that guitar than i ever could in my life. Even when i matured as a guitarist and later started playing prestige ibanez shreddy types, my playing slowed down considerably as I got better, but i still always preferred my gibsons fretboard as i could just fly so much faster on that thing. What i remember most about my gibby is how low and wide the frets were to the board and also a very flat radius and on top of that the 24.75" scale for even faster noting. Speed and having a guitar that has superb playability for speed is under rated imo because from my experience being able tonaccess notes far easier and faster means just more control over all. I can choose to play as fast as i need or as slow as i need but the frets and super low action always make most situations while playing much easier.

  • @redhorsereincarnated5040

    @redhorsereincarnated5040

    Жыл бұрын

    @@monitorlizard9971 Interesting stuff. I actually haven't played much electric guitar in the last 30 years. I mostly doodle on acoustic. None of the electric guitars I've played since my Paul, which isn't many, had the same type of frets. It was almost like playing a fretless with a little help. Sometimes I wonder if I'm remembering it correctly, though. I recently watched some videos on fret types and they didn't talk at all about low wide frets.

  • @monitorlizard9971

    @monitorlizard9971

    Жыл бұрын

    @@redhorsereincarnated5040 yeah i feel you on my memory being a blur after so long. It was a while ago, my gibsons frets were somehow superior to every single gibson id try out in guitar centers during that time. Im really not sure why that was. Other gibsons frets seemed bulky and slowed me down. But my gibby had insanely low and flat action and the frets themselves were just as low and flat. Idl why... But like i said all other gibsons in store did not feel the same as this. Maybe it was because I wore the frets down so they were super low? Idk. my gibson was a 2000-2003 model brand new. Websites say gibson uses medium jumbo as a standard though. So I am assuming this has got to be it. It is also the standard size kiesel has on their builder, and kiesel is quite known for being the shred metal top g american standard instruments atm with popularity growing as we speak. So i would assume medium jumbo. I researched the specs on my sg and i cant find the specific fret sizes for that build. But I did read on some forums that gibson has used quite a few different fret sizes over the years and people even measure and realize that their older gibsons frets play so well because after heavy use and wearing it in much like a form fitted baseball glove, the frets will "wear down comfortably" to being flatter with the board and more comfortable to play on. Limits of my knowledge on frets for the moment. Shrugs

  • @monitorlizard9971

    @monitorlizard9971

    Жыл бұрын

    Fun fact i actually found my gothic sg in a used guitar store one day and was shocked. It was the same exact guitar with the same exact superb playability except, they had filed the frets down suuuuuuuuper low even further to where there was barely any fret at all. It was so easy to play that it was actually a tad harder to play and felt really weird playi g on almost flush frets with like less than 1mm of string gap. If that makes any sense. Definitely great for legato. But it was just crazy finding this guitar and seeing even lower frets than mine and my guitar was already way easier to play than anyone elses and this one with the frets filed down was even more so ridiculous. Even my JS and S series prestige ibanezes i would later get made in japan didnt fret or fly quite like my old gibby. I do say the 24.75" gibson scale versus the standard 25.5" scale is a huge game changer too though. But also the fret wire used. I wish i knew more about the exact finer details and specifics on fret wire.

  • @sampledude8846
    @sampledude88466 ай бұрын

    It probably does affect the intonation, but it can be for the better depending on which fret it is. What is more important is to have a good tone, and the crown really affects that.

  • @michael_caz_nyc
    @michael_caz_nyc3 жыл бұрын

    Love the stainless steel Frets on my Suhr. . . also the Locking tuners.

  • @TexanUSMC8089

    @TexanUSMC8089

    2 жыл бұрын

    All locking tuners do is help you change strings faster.

  • @dogman5680

    @dogman5680

    29 күн бұрын

    @@TexanUSMC8089 only if you’re not using a whammy bar. In which case the wraps around the post tend to get caught on each other when returning to pitch. This is especially true of the wound strings. Locking tuners allow for less -sometimes none-wraps, significantly helping tuning stability. Guaranteed.

  • @lazywarrenlewis
    @lazywarrenlewis3 жыл бұрын

    Finger pressure differs from individual to individual and I noticed that is much greater intonation factor to be considered when fine tuning guitar

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    3 жыл бұрын

    I'll touch on that next week.

  • @donaldharris8826
    @donaldharris88263 жыл бұрын

    Fret measurements effect: tuning, intonation, tone, tembre, sustain and playing articulation ! ! ! Peace & Play 🎸 On . . . 👍🤘🎸😎 DDH 8-24-2020.

  • @trajtemberg
    @trajtemberg3 жыл бұрын

    This is a great point, but I can't tell A from B, so i'll be fine. Stainless jumbos feel awesome and that is what i care the most.

  • @jonathanhandsmusic
    @jonathanhandsmusic2 жыл бұрын

    I’ve gone recently for 6150, narrow tall, but just for one guitar. The rest I deal with as the cost is prohibitive for my vintage guitars. Good info for sure.

  • @michaelwoods9005

    @michaelwoods9005

    Жыл бұрын

    6150 is medium jumbo. 6105 is narrow tall.

  • @jeremywalker666
    @jeremywalker666 Жыл бұрын

    While the topic is something to ponder when determining fret size, it's an *important note that any guitar with standard fretwork is far from perfectly tuned. The difference in the contact point of used and unused is not important when the note is already off pitch. However, this would apply to true temperament fretted guitars, for they have perfect pitch with every note, but nobody's ears can truly detect the difference when it's that miniscule.

  • @MrJimmyWalsh
    @MrJimmyWalsh3 жыл бұрын

    Really interesting and educational. But watching this I just want to see what's going on with that steampunk copper aluminum beauty right there

  • @danialm8122
    @danialm81223 жыл бұрын

    Thanks sir, good information

  • @cugir321
    @cugir3213 жыл бұрын

    You can always correct a wide fret's intonation with a regular file.....crown them sharper. You can put a thinner crown on your frets with a regular file. I like wider (110) higher(.050) frets or higher. They give you more metal to work with.....especially leveling.

  • @TylrVncnt

    @TylrVncnt

    3 жыл бұрын

    This thin crown is quickly worn thru tho

  • @chrisking6695

    @chrisking6695

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TylrVncnt Your logic is off. A wide feet with a thin crown ia the same as a thin fret with a thin crown. I'd the crown ia the sake size on both fears the intonation is the same. And if the material is the same the thin crown will ware the same way on both frets.

  • @tonepilot
    @tonepilot3 жыл бұрын

    It is true. I put deep dents in Fender fretwire after about three years.

  • @bobaldo2339
    @bobaldo23393 жыл бұрын

    On the other hand, low-wide frets are the easiest kind to slide barre chords up the neck. We all loved the Gibson "fretless wonder" back in the day.

  • @EDKguy

    @EDKguy

    3 жыл бұрын

    My guitar teacher had one when I was a kid... It was awesome buttery goodness

  • @DavidRavenMoon
    @DavidRavenMoon3 жыл бұрын

    If the contact point shifted towards the tuners, then the string would buzz on the fret. The only time you would have this problem is with extremely worn frets that need a re crowning. Big frets last longer, and tall narrow frets feel like speed bumps. I refretted my Parker P-38 with super jumbo frets for this reason. The guitar plays much nicer now.

  • @fatfro1
    @fatfro13 жыл бұрын

    Interesting discussion. I thought it didn't matter how wide your frets are (in terms of intonation) because when they are dressed correctly, whether wide or narrow, they will have the same amount of contact area. BUT, now that I hear you talk about frets as they wear, I can see how wider frets (as they wear) can give more intonation problems than narrow frets. On another note, what brand of fret wire do you use? Thanks for another great video.

  • @ldfox11
    @ldfox113 жыл бұрын

    A professional guitarist uses up fret material much faster than the casual player. If you play for fun in your bedroom, maybe a total of an hour or two a week, then your frets will last a very long time. He wasn't talking to you about needing new frets on every couple of years, so calm down, your frets are fine.

  • @cugir321

    @cugir321

    3 жыл бұрын

    Chinese frets don't last long.....very soft......a couple years with a bedroom player.

  • @ldfox11

    @ldfox11

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@cugir321 All my guitars have Korean frets but I recently bought a Sheraton II made in China, I guess I'll find out.

  • @curtpozzi5527

    @curtpozzi5527

    3 жыл бұрын

    If you have regular nickel alloy frets, do not use cobalt treated strings. Those strings are meant for stainless steel frets. You will wear regular frets quicker.

  • @jasonleblanc-comeau9705

    @jasonleblanc-comeau9705

    2 жыл бұрын

    My frets say otherwise

  • @kensmechanicalaffair

    @kensmechanicalaffair

    Жыл бұрын

    Not about wear for me.

  • @robertclarkguitar
    @robertclarkguitar3 жыл бұрын

    Awe man. Yes. I have worn frets like your graph. I need crowned. I've had issues sliding up and my fingers grab the outside of the fret. I'm also hearing that slight off tune at times.

  • @robertclarkguitar

    @robertclarkguitar

    3 жыл бұрын

    Mine are narrow tall. Well classic vibe 60s.

  • @GuitarJeff
    @GuitarJeff3 жыл бұрын

    The biggest reason i like wide frets vs narrow is feel. I get much smoother slides and it just feels better. Even though my finger tips are mainly dead callous and numb, going up and down the strings on wide frets is like going down a regular road. Where tall narrow fell like hitting rumble strips on the road. Some people I am sure like it. Which again is all a matter of the guitarist taste. I prefer rosewood fingerboards or ebony, vs maple, or unfinished wood vs finished wood. Its a feel thing.

  • @simenandreasknudsen9272
    @simenandreasknudsen9272 Жыл бұрын

    I am looking for that nice fretbuzz or rasp when you dig in a little on a bass guitar. I have noticed this is much easier on some basses than others. Of course its a about the action being low or high, but I guess it has to be something about the frets as well. If they are wide/narrow etc. What kind of frets should I go for to get the Marcus miller rasp tone when digging in on with fingerstyle. I don't mean slap bass btw, but a similar sound just with digging in with fingers. Thanks

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    Жыл бұрын

    🤷‍♂️

  • @alimete92
    @alimete923 жыл бұрын

    Hey Chris, what's your opinions on True Temperament frets? I've seen some builders using them and gluing a fret SEEMS like it ought to have some strength issues besides crowning (for later) problems. I haven't used them myself but it makes me wonder about it.

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    3 жыл бұрын

    Goofy. Weird. Unnecessary. Expensive. Inflexible. Five words that sum up why they never caught on.

  • @mbaraka92

    @mbaraka92

    2 жыл бұрын

    Well, you talk about perfect intonation in your video, and the effect on it caused by slight fret changes. Fine. But however, that effect is smaller than the rise of (different per string and position) tension of a string being pushed down to the fret, which was never part of the equation. TT just solved that, as goofy as it looks. Also, before hating them, people should dive into the physics of intervals and harmony, which is the reason why a perfectly tuned guitar will never be able to play two chords perfectly where one has it‘s major third on the B string and one the perfect fifth… Anyway, this is why (where I guess we have the point where we totally meet) I say that tuning a normally fretted guitar is searching for the best compromise where no one can hear that every interval is slightly off, but none too far. And also, a good guitarist has to learn intonation by micro-bending and light touch ok the fret that can be pushed when a few more cents are needed.

  • @mbaraka92

    @mbaraka92

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Maschine_Elf Well, fret wear makes playing the guitar harder and makes it necessary to put the strings a little higher, which THEN results in worse intonation. I just got my main guitar PLEKed and I'm stunned how easy that guitar plays now and how flat I can have my strings without outfretting any note. (not trying to over-praise this machine, a good luthier is able to get 99% the same result)

  • @mbaraka92

    @mbaraka92

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Maschine_Elf oh, that is a good point!

  • @danielbarbieri8199
    @danielbarbieri819921 күн бұрын

    I'm a bit heavy with my left hand, that is why I fret all my guitars with 6130 instead of 6150. It is worse when you press heavily a tall narrow fret than a worn short wide fret. You do not need super hears to hear it. Obviously stainless steel frets will last more. But they sound different and do not please to everybody. Then we talk about re fret or re shaping worn frets. Imo re shaping is a waste of time. The best is to put new frets. I will not explain why, but thrust me. I've done a lot of fret re shaping...

  • @albertobarbatotoledo3155
    @albertobarbatotoledo31553 ай бұрын

    Man... I agree that when the point of contact wears down it sharpens the note a little bit... but all strait fret instruments are a little bit out of tune anyway... so... I dont think it matters a lot for tunning... and if someone says that can hear the diference but didnt heard before that even the perfetcly leveled and dressed frets are out of tunning because its gonna be anyway with strait frets... well its bullsh1t... if you read this comment and think I am incorrect go search about true temperament guitar... its not a perfect solution but looking at it you will be more aware of the real intonation problems of all freted inatruments

  • @williamrome2257
    @williamrome22573 ай бұрын

    I like Evo Gold for all mine, that I build How do they compare in this mix.🥑🍋

  • @lovingpeace9715
    @lovingpeace97153 жыл бұрын

    I spent all this money on having my guitar refretted and setup and then the producer goes and puts a Eventide H3000 on my tracks :D

  • @Amorimsoueu
    @Amorimsoueu Жыл бұрын

    Hi Chris! I know it's kinda of an obvious question but if a guitarist uses to much strength to press the frets then he shouldn't use jumbo frets, right? Just subscribed to your channel, cheers from Brazil!

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    Жыл бұрын

    If you want to use jumbo frets, you have to accept the possibility of intonation problems.

  • @supernoobsmith5718
    @supernoobsmith5718Ай бұрын

    Best tone comes from a wider contact patch, a worn in fret. Bad for intonation, but great tone. NOWADAYS with steel frets, this should be accounted for and built into the fret and fret placement. A very old idea I first thought of the first time I had fretwork done and was dissatisfied with the change in tone and feel. Gibson knows/knew that a flat contact patch makes for a great playing and feeling guitar, have you ever heard of traintrack or schoolbus frets. Gibson did them for YEARS and millions of guitars.

  • @pagisubuh
    @pagisubuh3 жыл бұрын

    good tip. Guitar in general it is not solid accurate pitch in my personal opinion. you was right about nickel fret. 6 hours a day of play...one year gone!

  • @mailvilla
    @mailvilla Жыл бұрын

    04/02/2023: I am a beginner bedroom player. I just bought an Eart T-380 with HH splitable pickups. This guitar sound good to me, and has a lot of features for an inexpensive $400.00 guitar to include stainless steel frets. I have as bad habit of notching fret wires no matter what size, so I though steel would be great for me. But, they are very small, narrow, and highly polished rounded tops, and highly polished rounded ends. The action for 10-46 is very low with no buzzing. They feel OK for me, but will they last is my question to you?

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    Жыл бұрын

    I have no idea. Only you can answer that question.

  • @onlywhenprovoked
    @onlywhenprovoked3 жыл бұрын

    I have a quicker tip. Perfect pitch is scientifically impossible to achieve on straight frets. If you have an ear that good, look into those wacky shaped true temperament fretboards. But I get your poiint. If its starting to sound extra sour, it might be time for a recrown. But you'll probably start wearing strings out quick in those spots long before you hear it.

  • @ragnaroksangel

    @ragnaroksangel

    3 жыл бұрын

    That's not what the term "perfect pitch" relates to in any way, but okay

  • @trevorgleave5168

    @trevorgleave5168

    Жыл бұрын

    Yep exactly I'm going back to the garage

  • @identifiesas65.wheresmyche95
    @identifiesas65.wheresmyche953 ай бұрын

    Okay so narrower frets may be better for intonation... So why are wider frets so popular? Whats the benefit? Slightly slower wear if you dont recrown as it wears? If its crowned to a fine point anyway I dont really understand why they're so well liked?

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    3 ай бұрын

    For the same reason high output pickups are so popular. It's the illusion that bigger is better.

  • @levijessegonzalez3629
    @levijessegonzalez36293 жыл бұрын

    how long will evo gold last? how long will stainless steel last? Average play time 7-10 hours a week on the instrument

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    3 жыл бұрын

    Ask Jescar.

  • @heavymetalhero08
    @heavymetalhero082 жыл бұрын

    That's why I'm going stainless Steel. Fix these problems and extend the lifespan of my fretboards. No brainer IMO

  • @williamthrasher8540
    @williamthrasher85403 жыл бұрын

    Another factor to consider is the wider frets will ware slower than the narrow frets because there is less material for the strings to wear off, therefore wearing the frets down quicker.

  • @0000song0000

    @0000song0000

    3 жыл бұрын

    yes, but refret is cheaper now and the material is WAY more durable than it used to :)

  • @TexanUSMC8089

    @TexanUSMC8089

    2 жыл бұрын

    If you're wearing frets down that often then put on stainless ones.

  • @lgp4960
    @lgp49603 жыл бұрын

    When you say wide frets, same as jumbo frets...?

  • @8odycount
    @8odycount3 жыл бұрын

    My workhorse is a mim Strat, on which I killed the frets within 2 or 3 years. I relevelled the frets and had to take away a big amount, so they were evenly flat again. So I am thinking about getting new frets. But I am not sure which frets I should take. I mainly play blues lead and rhythm. Now I have narrow frets. Any suggestions?

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    3 жыл бұрын

    Go to a guitar store and play all of the guitars until you find the frets you like. Research the guitar to find out what about the frets it has and bingo, you’ll know what to get.

  • @8odycount

    @8odycount

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@HighlineGuitars that's a good idea :) thanks!

  • @s.d.g.global4582
    @s.d.g.global4582Ай бұрын

    Stainless steel? Or is there something better?

  • @deadass3954
    @deadass39542 жыл бұрын

    Well dam I should refret my guitars cause I play hard and know the frets are worn but never thought this was why it sounded off 😬 time to learn to do a new skill

  • @DarkoPorsche
    @DarkoPorsche3 ай бұрын

    Can you explain if a shop write 24 X-jumbo fret or just jumbo fret. Is there a diffenrence?

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    3 ай бұрын

    What?

  • @pavlepaja7642
    @pavlepaja7642 Жыл бұрын

    Why Gibson Ls custom has so low profile frets ? It doesn't have round ones pr maybe it waas used one i looked...🤔

  • @sparrowhawk81
    @sparrowhawk812 жыл бұрын

    ok so....sorry if youve already got a video addressing this, but why do people want wider frets? im probably going to go google it and see what discussions i find, but it sounds like there are a lot of upsides to narrow/medium frets but...why wide?

  • @WolfgangKeim1
    @WolfgangKeim13 жыл бұрын

    To have perfect intonation for all notes with normal straight frets on a guitar ist a myth.

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    3 жыл бұрын

    That is correct and is the reason we need to do all we can with what we have.

  • @johnnypk1963

    @johnnypk1963

    3 жыл бұрын

    A compensated nut will largely dispel that myth.

  • @cugir321

    @cugir321

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@johnnypk1963 When the frets wear the compensated nut is not valid as much anymore.

  • @kodykindhart5644

    @kodykindhart5644

    3 жыл бұрын

    Check true temper frets

  • @onpsxmember
    @onpsxmember3 жыл бұрын

    I wonder if there is any upside in those pyramid shaped frets then. I guess there is a reason they aren't popular.

  • @jamminshaman5935
    @jamminshaman59352 жыл бұрын

    Roughly how many re-frets can you get away with before needing to replace the neck entirely?

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    2 жыл бұрын

    Coincidentally, it's the same as the number of licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Pop. In other words, it's one of the great mysteries in life. But in all seriousness, I'd say 3-4.

  • @CarlSmithAviationBroker
    @CarlSmithAviationBroker6 ай бұрын

    Some artists want to swap out regular frets on their bass for Mandolin frets. Why?

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    5 ай бұрын

    🤷‍♂️

  • @ff-qf1th
    @ff-qf1th3 жыл бұрын

    wait... who presses down on the TOP of the fret?? I always press down above the fret so the string is tighter against the fret. am I doing it wrong??

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    3 жыл бұрын

    No, you’re not doing it wrong. You’re just failing to grasp the topic. No matter where you press the strings with your fingers, you are pressing them DOWN and their first point of contact is the top center of the frets.

  • @THRobinson
    @THRobinson3 жыл бұрын

    Need to start planning after 12-18 months, means planning 3.5yrs in advanced for most people... That some seriously slow planning. :) So, for narrow frets intonating longer than wide frets, I guess the trade off is that they don't last as long? Because narrow frets have less metal to wear down than wide? So either the frets go out of intonation faster or wear down faster, either case you're recrowning or replacing them at the same time.

  • @paulcowart3174
    @paulcowart31743 жыл бұрын

    Healthy vibrato can negate that effect to a point Open chord's would be affected the most one would think

  • @doovie101
    @doovie101 Жыл бұрын

    Which are easier to level and recrown?

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    Жыл бұрын

    They’re both the same.

  • @chopperdeath
    @chopperdeath Жыл бұрын

    I want a neck that has wider frets for the first 14-16 frets and then more narrow frets after that but the same height. Anyone?

  • @chopperdeath

    @chopperdeath

    Жыл бұрын

    For more room for my fingers high up on the scale.

  • @zippy-zappa-zeppo-zorba-etc
    @zippy-zappa-zeppo-zorba-etc3 жыл бұрын

    Damn! I got some really worn frets on my favorite guitar. Gotta recrown the frets asap.

  • @onpsxmember

    @onpsxmember

    3 жыл бұрын

    And polish them to reduce wear.

  • @lowalkoroc
    @lowalkoroc3 жыл бұрын

    Eh it's negligible. The guitar is flawed and doesn't have perfect intonation on each fret anyways unless you have True Temperment fretwire system. Either perfectly crowned or flat, it will not be perfectly intune either way.

  • @Barabyk

    @Barabyk

    3 жыл бұрын

    True, considering inconsistent downpressure of fretting hand being a factor that shifts pitch up slightly anyway.

  • @curtpozzi5527

    @curtpozzi5527

    3 жыл бұрын

    Throw some vibrato into the equation while we're at it.

  • @BBGuitars
    @BBGuitars3 жыл бұрын

    Given it is going to take microtonal frets, blueprinted to a specific set up, to achieve perfect intonation, this is kind of a moot point!

  • @muckeelton
    @muckeelton2 жыл бұрын

    Very informative, but I think the diagrams don’t indicate how a string looks when it touches the fret. You would be pushing it down onto the fretboard, so wouldn’t there be a sharper angle on the tuner side? You don’t press on top of the fret - you press up against it, or in between frets, depending on your technique.

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    2 жыл бұрын

    If you could draw some new illustrations that show what you are describing, that would be great.

  • @muckeelton

    @muckeelton

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@HighlineGuitars how do I add a drawing or photo? I googled it, but there is no camera icon next to my reply....

  • @womplestilskin

    @womplestilskin

    Жыл бұрын

    @@HighlineGuitars the wider fret would have a wider (worn) contact area so even with the same fingers pressure, the PSI of the contact area is less and therefore also has slower wear. In other words, only some sort of mechanical testing or advanced physical modelling would be able to say for sure which changes the intonation more over time.

  • @thelastgreyhawk2161
    @thelastgreyhawk2161 Жыл бұрын

    More reason to believe jumbo frets (specifically nickel ones) are just the worst

  • @ZARCULIA
    @ZARCULIA3 жыл бұрын

    My guitars will ALWAYS, be flattened out quick, i get G string dents that are massive dents in tje first 2 months of a brand new crowning. And my frets look like plateaus quickly also . I totally agree with all your feedback, but i also, know, guitars are an imperfect instrument , and even intonating a guitar, is based on the players finger pressure. You can compensate for heavy fret hand pressure pushing things sharp . I also know, anytime i play a guitar with a buzz feiten nut , its almost sterile, how in tune it is . Its not my thing . I prefer a vintage 62 real strat , with all its flaws .

  • @hkguitar1984

    @hkguitar1984

    2 жыл бұрын

    Are you using stainless steel strings? Stainless steel strings are harder than most Nickel Silver Fret wire, as such the frets take a beating in short order. Try switching to vintage Pure Nickel guitar string, they might slow down your fret wear issues.

  • @J.C...

    @J.C...

    10 ай бұрын

    Man I couldn't imagine needing to refret all 6 of my guitars in 3 years.

  • @miguellemos6033
    @miguellemos60338 ай бұрын

    The diagram is wrong! The string on the left sife of fret should be going down as the finger presses down the string.

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    8 ай бұрын

    No, the diagram is not wrong. Since I am a left handed player, the diagram is how it will look to me when I look down at the side of the fretboard.

  • @adambrandt1858
    @adambrandt18583 жыл бұрын

    Yeah but you dont press the string down on the fret you press in the middle of the two frets so that picture isnt right the string would be going up from the fretboard and over the fret. And i doubt youd be able to notice the difference with your ears or a tuner.

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    3 жыл бұрын

    Proper technique requires you to press the string down not on the center of the fret nor between two frets, but right next to the fret.

  • @KoRNeRd
    @KoRNeRd Жыл бұрын

    BS. Just pressing the fret at a slight angle or pressing with a bit more force would cause much greater intonation differences. On top of all that guitars do not have perfect intonation, you can get closer with temperment frets. Still, the problems above remain.

  • @icecreamforcrowhurst
    @icecreamforcrowhurst8 ай бұрын

    If you have a perfectly trained ear and are a stickler for intonation guitar is probably not a good choice for you. Switch to viola instead lol

  • @prestigeroseguitars8245
    @prestigeroseguitars82453 жыл бұрын

    Of course what you're saying is correct. As frets wear, they will decrease the distance from intonation and cause a variance in the natural tone. In reality, the distance of so minute that it becomes irrelevant. The player will make more of a tonal variance based off of how much pressure is exerted on the string with his fingers.

  • @JohnFraserFindlay
    @JohnFraserFindlay2 жыл бұрын

    im a stickler unfortunately LOL!

  • @bigdaddyfilmmaker
    @bigdaddyfilmmaker4 ай бұрын

    2 thumbs down on this video. Trained ear? Really? C’mon. Plus fix your diagram as nobody frets a note on the wrong side.

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    4 ай бұрын

    In order to give a video two thumbs down, you need to click the thumbs down icon again.

  • @ldfox11
    @ldfox113 жыл бұрын

    Why do a lot of players say they love fat frets?

  • @pedronchoxgrc19

    @pedronchoxgrc19

    3 жыл бұрын

    Because you don't need to press to hard.

  • @billville111
    @billville1113 жыл бұрын

    True temperament frets - and then watch this video again

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    3 жыл бұрын

    I have experience with TT frets. And I also know why they never really caught on.

  • @bocote3119

    @bocote3119

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@HighlineGuitars Would be great if you can explain this on a future video

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@bocote3119 No need for a video. They never caught on because they are way too expensive and no one can work on them.

  • @globalnomad4074
    @globalnomad40743 жыл бұрын

    Vibrato FIXES EVERYTHING , except that squelchy wet fart,,, you need a well design cork

  • @NicanorVillanueva.
    @NicanorVillanueva. Жыл бұрын

    imagine replacing frets once per year

  • @TheMrMRsmoke
    @TheMrMRsmoke Жыл бұрын

    4:00 luthier attempt to secure more income by telling people to “plan” and budget for a refret

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    Жыл бұрын

    I don’t do refrets.

  • @adambrandt1858
    @adambrandt18583 жыл бұрын

    Dude if anything the smaller frets are going to wear down faster.

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    3 жыл бұрын

    Dude, the shift in intonation will still be less with narrow frets than it will be with wider frets.

  • @zeusapollo8688

    @zeusapollo8688

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@HighlineGuitars mandolin frets

  • @johnnypk1963
    @johnnypk19633 жыл бұрын

    I agree w the concept but your illustration is flawed slightly imho. When u fret a note, your finger goes in back of the note being played. So on a worn flat fret the note would be made slightly FLAT, as point of contact would be on the nut side of fret center. Not the bridge side as show in the illustration which would make the note sharp.

  • @pallecla

    @pallecla

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yup.

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    3 жыл бұрын

    That's what the illustration shows. The point of contact on the worn fret is on the nut or tuner side.

  • @ZARCULIA
    @ZARCULIA3 жыл бұрын

    Totally dislike the tone of stainless frets. I would rather re fret every year , 6100 jumbos , than get stainless.

  • @Lowclef
    @Lowclef Жыл бұрын

    The instant you play a single note on your guitar you should be planning on replacing every single part of your instrument. If you even touch it, you should be aware that it will begin to sound like trash within 30-45 seconds. So refretting is pretty much a necessity after the first day you buy it new. So just be aware of that. 🤡

  • @squirelova1815
    @squirelova18158 ай бұрын

    Aha! So being tone deaf is a clear advantage, just as the man admitted! Who's laughing now?

  • @Not-Only-Reaper-Tutorials
    @Not-Only-Reaper-Tutorials3 жыл бұрын

    the G string is a bad student

  • @StankoAx
    @StankoAx7 ай бұрын

    Lmao, what a missleading title.

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    7 ай бұрын

    How is it misleading?

  • @StankoAx

    @StankoAx

    7 ай бұрын

    I watched the video again, my mistake. You did mention the different wire and the impact.

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    7 ай бұрын

    @@StankoAx No worries! I do the same thing. Maybe KZread should allow comments only after the viewer has watched the whole video. Twice!

  • @norbertofrancomartel6892
    @norbertofrancomartel6892 Жыл бұрын

    The waste of the frets change the harmonic shinning but the entination you becominng more popist than the pope.

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