Why am I watching this video? I drive a $1000 shitbox

@jonesjones7057

2 ай бұрын

You're better off with that anyway.

@d1sturb3d119

2 ай бұрын

Cause your shitbox won't talk back to you when you miss a maintenance deadline, or hell won't shut itself off if you decide to drive 5 over..

@S8ER

2 ай бұрын

Don't feel like that..I drive a 1000+ dollar a month shit box and I am also not sure why I am watching this video. 🤣🤣

@PMI551

2 ай бұрын

You’re allowed to dream.

@colin-nekritz

2 ай бұрын

Me too, and it’s check engine light has been on for over a year but you know what? The car keeps going, it doesn’t care, it’s not shutting itself down until it’s flatbedded to the dealer.

For as new as Lucid is, it's quite remarkable how well they got "driving" right.

@antblanks

2 ай бұрын

@japanwatchconnection Not just the higher up, he was the Chief Vehicle Engineer of the Model S.

@bavariancarenthusiast2722

2 ай бұрын

Lucid investors bought the best team money could buy - so the mechanical underpinning and base tech is awesome - the much better Tesla - but Software takes time as the German vendors know very well

@MengLinWu

2 ай бұрын

@@antblanks He was also Chief Engineer at Lotus. That Lotus.

@scott8919

2 ай бұрын

You only have one chance to make a good first impression.

@cbotten106

2 ай бұрын

Not "remarkable" these guys are sweating the details. And I'm not kidding and do not own a Lucid or a single share of LCID stock. I do follow the auto industry though. They've got the deep pockets to weather almost any storm.

What a day to be alive that BMW is called a luxury sedan and some other brand a sports sedan

@ADUSN

2 ай бұрын

BMW chose volume over 'sport' 30 years ago.

@user-my4xu4gf1z

2 ай бұрын

Huh? When has BMW not been considered a luxury brand. ?

@anydaynow01

2 ай бұрын

@@user-my4xu4gf1z Agreed, someone explained to me a while ago that GM analogs to German car makers is VW is Chevy, BMW is Pontiac, Audi is Buick, Porsche is Corvette and Mercedes is Cadillac.

@user-my4xu4gf1z

2 ай бұрын

@@anydaynow01 eh idk about all that lol. German cars are just way better than American imo. Sounds like America is the knock off brands too me. Coming from an American 😂

@ruturaj47

2 ай бұрын

2018 BMW blog compared stinger with 5 series, did the same thing.

Lucid has a great philosophy and hope they can survive. Wish they'd create a volume seller to help them on their mission.

@KidKingdomHearts

2 ай бұрын

If it’s anything, their $80k SUV starts sale end of this year.

@davidpless8486

2 ай бұрын

Hopefully the Gravity (or whatever it's called if the copyright doesn't get sorted) will be a hit. Can't wait to see what they could do with a 3/Y competitor.

@dragospahontu

2 ай бұрын

Maybe they will be owned by a Chinese company in the future. That's the only way they can survive.

@wizzyno1566

2 ай бұрын

​@@KidKingdomHeartsno it wont.

@JohnLee-db9zt

2 ай бұрын

Too much of a niche company with expensive EV with no pedigree. I doubt it they’ll be around in 5-10 years.

Thanks for the audio testing - one of the few things that’s really hard to get info on.

@aaaaaaxaaaaaa

2 ай бұрын

Best part about this channel

@hamsterbrigade

2 ай бұрын

Especially when one of the biggest reasons to buy an EV is if you're looking for the quietest ride.

@larrywineland4682

2 ай бұрын

Of note, the SPL level difference between the Lucid is only 2dB louder than the BMW. The human ear usually cannot perceive that difference in SPL, 3-4 dB is when you start to notice. The Lucid is by no means noisy or not-luxury feeling, I have one, compared it to a Tesla which was atrocious. So by their own measurements BMW is BARELY quieter than the Lucid, not much to criticize there.

"Hans...take me on the worm ride" 😂 you guys are f_____g hilarious!

@weissmon

2 ай бұрын

I lost it

After watching one of your videos I always feel like having a phd afterwards in that topic 😂😂

@cbotten106

2 ай бұрын

Congrats Doctor!

Mark's nervous giggle as Jack threw the Lucid into the turn was hilarious.

“You see it on a graph” - thanks, Mark, for believing in me…

@noncog1

2 ай бұрын

Lmao

Watched this earlier today while sitting at Lucid delivery center waiting to pickup my car.. had to wait 30 minutes they were backed up. Not a ton of people picking up new cars, but they had one guy total. Ugh. Like 5th time already saw some teething problems being a new company. Watching this video was a little afraid they were going to go "Lucid is a POS get the i5." but happy it was pretty much what you'd expect. My review of Lucid Touring after 8 hours of ownership: This car is really fucking nice, lol. My biggest gripe is no Android Auto. And like seemingly all cars, with wheel where I like it it obstructs view of instrument panel. Oh and no button on front to open the frunk. I'd actually prefer to use it but more annoying to open. But otherwise car drives great. Normal day-to-day driving great, and went out for a bit after family went to bed for a little more spirited and yeah it just lives up to hype.

@cbotten106

Ай бұрын

Good luck with the Lucid! You are officially an early adopter.

You guys are so good at this. Marc’s comments are 1000% spot on . I test drove the i5 and it was as boring as my Camry. I’ll have to try the Lucid.

@isserdigan2835

2 ай бұрын

Currently building a garage for a Lucid Air or Gravity. 😅

@user-my4xu4gf1z

2 ай бұрын

Bruh I just don't get this comment. If u want a drivers car get a porsche or bmw M car. The hell u want an EV for if your looking for driving engagement. If I wanted anEV it would be a pure luxury cruiser.

@anydaynow01

2 ай бұрын

Quite a few Lucids around here over the past year or so. Definitely seeing way more Airs than Model Ss these days. Though Model Y is like a Honda Civic around here these days! If it were my money, and with the Saudi's hell bent on making Lucid work, combined with the brain trust of Lucid (watch their tech videos!), I would get a Gravity with no regrets.

@Krauser1226

2 ай бұрын

​@@user-my4xu4gf1z I don't think it's unreasonable to want an EV that doesn't bore the hell out of you. Sure, if you're looking for an enthusiast car period, maybe avoid them, but it's completely fair to be in the market for an EV and have a little character and feel.

@MRMV483

2 ай бұрын

The only thing is that Lucid will creak like a camry after 6 months

No other channel like this, not even close. Greatly appreciate your insight👍🏼 Very cool glimpse of the audio testing 🔊

@cbotten106

Ай бұрын

I just hope they know it. Appreciation from this quarter!

I’m surprised that in your tech segments you haven’t discussed BMW being the only manufacturer using brushed motors in its EVs, needing service, brush replacements, and possibly cleaning out at some point. Since no other manufacturer is using brushed motors over magnets, I’m skeptical of it being the way to go

@vinny9152

2 ай бұрын

You do have to give them credit for selecting a motor topology that does not require any permanent magnets dug up from mining.

@mingkwanburckhardt

2 ай бұрын

BMW recommends replacing the brushs after 168k miles and the replacement module is 100 bucks. If the brushs indeed last as long as BMW claims, then this should be a non-issue.

@aussie2uGA

2 ай бұрын

BMW dealers probably had a say in this decision. Dealers need high profit service visits, not maintenance free cars.

@Conservator.

Ай бұрын

@@aussie2uGABrushes are cheap and will possible need to be changed only once. It’s a non issue.

@Conservator.

Ай бұрын

@@aussie2uGABMW dealers don’t make huge profits. They have an extraordinary amount of overhead (which is insane imo but that’s another discussion)

You guys swapped the driving segment names FYI

@sfisosg7904

2 ай бұрын

They did it on purpose because of how the lucid drove

No B58 No buy

@senseicorey9979

2 ай бұрын

No woman , no cry NO B58, NO BUY!

@ZephyrCorsa

2 ай бұрын

please shut up

@user-tx7tw9yc6m

2 ай бұрын

Ok

@isserdigan2835

2 ай бұрын

There is a B58 on the 540i

@michaelw6277

2 ай бұрын

For once I agree regarding the B58.

It would be really interesting to see a Lucid Air vs Taycan comparison, as the best driving EVs that you can buy.

As an European, who always appreciates old BMWs, there are no reasons to buy i5. Good job Lucid !!

@hassanger8128

Ай бұрын

You are a broke boomer anyway

Just some real world data points. Last week recharged at a 350kw Electrify America station. I have an AWD Lucid Pure with the same 700+ volt 88 kW-hr battery pack as the RWD Pure. It was 52F and I started charging at a little over 250 kW. I charged for 30 minutes and went from 5% to 80% averaging over 132kW even though I was the fourth car connecting at a 4 bay station. So the higher voltage can help. I have also gone to a EA 350kW charger and even though I'm the only one there, have connected at only 50kW (I always have the battery preconditioning before charging). When that happens I take a quick hit (10 to 15 minutes) and then drive 50 -60 miles to the next charger) hoping that I will connect at higher speeds. The key is to just charge enough to get to your destination (with a margin of safety). Then complete your charge to 80% over night.

@Riverrafting

2 ай бұрын

This sounds horrible!

@Cyrribrae

Ай бұрын

Charging infrastructure continues to hold back EVs. Gotta at least hit tesla supercharger reliability levels. Still. Before you drive to the next station, try the other stalls first. Often it's just one charger stall being limited, not the whole site.

@bavariancarenthusiast2722

Ай бұрын

@@Cyrribrae not around here - across Europe - very dense network of HP charger - now its getting too full on high traffic times

@Cyrribrae

Ай бұрын

@@bavariancarenthusiast2722 yep. And even more important, Europe's network of level 2 charging is far superior to the US's. Tragic indeed. But slowly getting better.

@bavariancarenthusiast2722

Ай бұрын

@@Cyrribrae yes you are right - I now upgrade my garage charger to 400V if you have this level over there? Its 3 x faster then level 2, so the car is always full over night even if you roll in with 0%.

First time I see a real audio test in a car review, Bravo!

The glass roof on the Lucid really does it a disservice as a luxury car. Instead of absorbing noise, it reflects it.

@JollyGiant19

2 ай бұрын

The heat as well. If you own anything with a glass roof you’ll want a good tint on it ASAP!

@jamied9448

2 ай бұрын

We're getting it with the regular roof for that reason

@mtnman1984

2 ай бұрын

@@jamied9448 it's great that they have the option. I would never want the glass. Have fun with the car. Driven two. Very well thought out.

@hotdog9262

2 ай бұрын

id say if one buy a new car to own for a long time, avoid anything that isn`t a simple uniform metal roof. no sunroof moonroof any of that crap, its just rust and leaks waiting to happen

@vinay8429

2 ай бұрын

I love my Lucid glass roof. It they do offer option of metallic roof for anyone with a different preference.

I’m not EV person. But if I did go EV, it be a Lucid for sure. It seems like a better fit and finish than a Tesla and does everything better than other brands.

@DougC83

2 ай бұрын

except that it’s even less reliable than a Tesla 😂

Great comparison guys. Just drove an I5 loner for 3 days and really couldn't put my finger on what was not so good. But you guys hit it. Thanks so much

This was an actual great comparison because of the talking points that could be had. Super informative and thought provoking. Great vid!

Thanks for the video comparing the two! Definitely helped me be a more informed consumer.

Another top notch video Mark and Jack!

Great review, guys, as usual. Thanks. 👍👍

In this Xanax inundated, Special K ingesting world, BMW knows its lease client, very well. With Lucid, it's made for DRIVERS. I am so happy to FINALLY see a Lucid every once in a while on the road away from the Phoenix area, where its assembled. To me, the Lucid is a masterpiece. A genuine work of art. The BMW is a product from a marketing company. To see the smiles on your faces while ripping it up with Lucid, it's so easy to see what is the more FUN, and in many ways, better car.

@user-my4xu4gf1z

2 ай бұрын

Saying an EV is made for drivers is hilarious. If u want a drivers car get a porsche or bmw M car.

@2006gtobob

2 ай бұрын

Have either of you clowns driven a Lucid? I'm a multi Porsche and other sports car owner from a time when actual driving characteristics were built into cars, vs synthetic. I have owned many sports and muscle cars over the years and FULLY understand fast driving, ask my attorney. The Lucid is a solid driver's car, quicker than anything I've ever owned. So what if it doesn't have a combustion engine? It has massive, instant torque and speed. Go drive one.

@TassieLorenzo

2 ай бұрын

@@user-my4xu4gf1z You can get an EV Porsche and M car. 🙂 There is no reason someone won't make an electric lightweight MX-5 type car soon,as long as buyers are happy with a very small range. The Mini Cooper SE electric is within 100kg of the Mini Cooper S ICE, most owners seem to think it's pretty fun to drive. In terms of getting stuck in to hooking up tightly spaced hairpin corners, there is no reason an EV can't be fun (obviously the combustion engine noises and gear changes are missing, but then you have the instant throttle response which only the very best of ICEs can get close to,so swings and roundabouts) -- in terms of apex-to-apex I definitely believe BEVs have the potential to be lots of fun, as long as the weight is close to parity with the ICE equivalent.

What a great detailed review. One of my favorite channels for pure information.

Nearly 80 grand for a bmw that is about as exciting to drive as a camry. What a world.

@cbotten106

Ай бұрын

It's a whole new world. If you watch the Savagegeese video on the BMW i5 M60 you'll see that excitement isn't all it's cracked up to be.

Styling wise- this is a battle between Hyundai and Rolls-Royce

@yungrichnbroke5199

2 ай бұрын

Hmm what?

@jerrybarrax5618

2 ай бұрын

@@yungrichnbroke5199The Lucid has the understated elegance of a Rolls-Royce, and the bimmer has the shouty tacky abrasive look of a Hyundai. Clear enough for ya?

@yungrichnbroke5199

2 ай бұрын

@@jerrybarrax5618 yea everyone has different tastes though.

@bassandtrebleclef

2 ай бұрын

​@@yungrichnbroke5199for sure, but the awkward bmw design ethos since the early 2000s is devolving. The only attractive bmw in the last 15 years has been the z4. The others are variations of ugly. The model s is beautifully designed and this is a well.

@av_oid

Ай бұрын

@@jerrybarrax5618The Lucid looks like a soap bar, sort of like the Merc EQE, designed to be slippery. The BMW looks like a beaver hit with the ugly stick. Software however on the Licid looks barely even “half-baked”. So I’d buy something other than either car. I’ve driven an EQE 53 AMG, the new Hybrid AMG C63, Audi RS e-Tron, Tesla Model 3 Performance, Kia EV6 GT and Hyundai Ioniq 5N and with all of them the software, driving and usage experience was better than these 2 cars appear. I’ve also driven a BYD Seal Performance - it is quick, but its handling is unsafe. (Currently my wife has a Ioniq 5 non-N, and I have an AMG and shopping for an EV replacement)

Great review... I have zero interest in either of these but I still ended up watching all the way through and feel like I learned something. Well done.

Great blend of your normal, thorough review with details relevant to the EV side of these cars. I’m not an EV shopper but find Lucid fascinating. I want driving feel to connect to my car, even if it is my daily. Lucid is showing focus on drivers. I hope they succeed

Love the on-track seque @ 20:05. Nice touch. :-)

Thanks for thanking us for our time ❤

The G60 5 series is basically a replacement for the SWB 7 series at this point, it's almost the same size and share the driving dynamics philosophy. I imagine the next 3 series will essentially be the 5 series replacement now.

So in this set up i definitely think as a drivers car the Lucid wins hands down. Excited to see where they take the EV world and I'm not an EV fan at all. However, it seems Lucid do actually give a damn about the driving feel and experience and wish them every success for the future! No other EV manufacture seems to be going this route yet. Great indepth video as always and love the channel!

Thank you for an honest review and more importantly, offering different perspectives. As much as I would enjoy the driving dynamics in the Lucid, comfort and refinement are now a higher priority for me. Keep up the great work!

the quantity of these cars that you're actually going to see on the road this month: somewhere between 0 and 1

For my money, the Lucid is the clear winner. Not that I can afford either of them, but the Lucid is a better driver's car, and I do love driving dynamics. I also love good design and, IMHO, the Lucid looks elegant. The BMW is fugly. I am a little disappointed that Lucid has so many QC issues, but for a startup car maker, that's forgiveable. BMW is certainly no paragon of long-term reliability, so the quality/reliability factor is a wash. And for me, the bottom line is emotional. I want Lucid to succeed because I want cleaner air and lower emissions, I respect what they're trying to achieve, I appreciate the fact that they're the only company matching Tesla on range, and I bought stock in the company and I want that investment to pay off, damnit! Okay, so maybe it's emotional and financial. :-). Thanks guys for another great video.

I would love it if you made a masterclass in audio technology

Straight up the most thorough and thoughtful car review channel. Love the audio system and underbody analysis. Oh… the Lucid’s rear isn’t elegant.

@isserdigan2835

2 ай бұрын

You can upgrade the sound system on the Lucid pure.

@cbotten106

2 ай бұрын

It sounds like somebody who's going to crank it would be well advised to do so. Why does SG do more of those audio evaluations. I like that. @@isserdigan2835

I get it why people hate EV's. I used to until i learned about the Lucid Air in 2022. Since then i watched their videos. Followed their factory Amp 1 construction. Watched the tech talks that explained their superior technology and the reviews by countless people who praises the driving dynamics of the Air. Its a Technological Masterpiece worthy of buying. ❤. This coming from an M340i X5 M50 and Porsche GT4 owner. Wife also coming along in liking the Air.

@anydaynow01

2 ай бұрын

I think they should have come out with the Gravity first, or given the Air more of a CUV look. Yeah it may have cost them range numbers but folks want CUVs (lifted station wagons/estate cars). But yeah, after watching the Lucid tech videos and seeing the SG Sapphire review with the engineers I'm a huge Lucid fan!

@isserdigan2835

2 ай бұрын

@@anydaynow01 i think Lucid air puts them in a position to showcase their technology better than a gravity. Plus Lucid has racing DNA. Not gonna matter much with the Gravity. I am not a fan of the infotainment placement of the gravity too. Its too high up. Plus the plastic wheel fender wells are a turn off for me. It makes it look cheap

@isserdigan2835

2 ай бұрын

Pretty sure you said the same thing about Tesla when they are in their cash burn state. They werent profitable for almost 10 years 😂😂😂

@wizzyno1566

2 ай бұрын

​@japanwatchconnectionlucid will go bankrupt if the Saudis get bored. Otherwise they can lose money forever.

@antblanks

2 ай бұрын

@@isserdigan2835 Tesla survived on government subsidized clean air credits mostly from the state of CA. They forced China into the same clean air credit model as well, but China slyly used them to build out their EV supply chain infrastructure and then created BYD and is now eating their lunch.

Great review, guys! I feel like I want to drive around your area just for a chance to see you celebrities.

Maybe one of the best reviews.

Assuming it's reliable, it's gonna be so nice to get a Lucid Air for like $30k in a few years

@benjamindoyle668

Ай бұрын

That's my plan!

Love this content

So easy choice... Lucid over the i5. Can't remember the last time I was impressed by a new BMW model (as the current owner of 2 BMWs)

@bavariancarenthusiast2722

2 ай бұрын

Not at all - but easy it is none of them - I will go somewhere else always been a BMW driver

@MrCarGuy

2 ай бұрын

​@japanwatchconnection VW has objectively made junk for decades

@hassanger8128

Ай бұрын

You guys are just broke. BMW isn't for you. Go get a Kia. The cheap one

Lucid all the way!

Do one of these but do like a Camry vs Sonata when y'all get the new Camry Very well done as always. Best car channel in the biz

It’s remarkable how specifically these guys can describe what exactly the lucid does right

The Lucid really is the 90s BMW of the 2020s

Love how the Lucid says 30mph limit while on a racetrack. 😂 Love the choice of music on the dash. Quite appropriate 🎉

20:00 song is: ZORRO - Just Bones (Instrumental)

Nice to see a legitimate smile on Marc's face in the Lucid!

I always love your final thoughts part guys, you put so much thought in it combined with tech and industry knowledge. Great! Regarding those 2 cars - exactly the category where I am buying next. The underpinnings of the Lucid are very promising but its not ready yet for prime time, since they have unlimited Saudi Money it's only a matter of time. The BMW is great tech - but leaves me as a BMW fan warmish at best. I also like the iX to drive, inside but not to look at and it's a SUV....so I will chose something else which I never thought I would go for this time....thanks guys!

@bavariancarenthusiast2722

2 ай бұрын

@japanwatchconnection disclaimer there is no dream decision for me right now - I signed up for a fully loaded EQE500E, good for long distance, competitive lease (fully loaded costs the same as a naked entry level i5 or half compared a Lucid over here) so.....

@cbotten106

2 ай бұрын

NOOOOOO! Just kidding congrats.👍 @@bavariancarenthusiast2722

I bet the general public would think the opposite would be true of these two vehicles

@LJ-wo1wf

2 ай бұрын

I know, right? The BMW looks aggressive and sporty, like it should be able to shred its tires all day; and the Lucid looks like a sleek, glassy-smooth-riding luxury sedan. I’m sitting here watching them drive both these cars and I still have to tell myself which one is which.

Lucid is the KING

@prawnstar9213

12 күн бұрын

The king of creating a car for .3% of the market.

So much for the Ultimate Driving Machine

I must admit (but don't tell anybody) the Lucid is an extremely compelling package. If only it weren't electric. Well Done.

@iMaxPatten

2 ай бұрын

It being electric is what it enables it to be so efficient, have so much space, and exist at all. If combustion engines are going away (and they will, but not overnight) we can only hope Lucid’s model is the way forward.

Did you did the sound test with the Lucid Surreal Sound Pro or the basic sound system? Looks like the basic system as the Pro system is just excellent.

Awesome review guys!! I currently own a combustion vehicle but am intrigue with EV and perhaps maybe purchasing one in the future. Thank you for your honest opinion on EV vehicle and i must say --- i am a fan!!! I think the world is quickly evolving into vehicle electrification and with more options on the table it would be a lot easier to make a decision on what to purchase.

The first Lucid Air was SO far ahead of the pack.

Mark, did you do an audio comparison between the glass and aluminum roofs? I'd imagine the aluminum roof model is SIGNIFICANTLY quieter at speed.

Interesting video, kind of disagree, or not disagree but don't really understand the driving impression feedback, but loved it anyway. The driving impression time stamp titles are switched.

Did you mix up the chapters in the timeline? "Lucid Driving Impressions" with the BMW and vice versa?

Are you sure the lucid was preconditioned before charging? That's the only reason I could see for it to start at 55kw getting up to 139kw later. I've had terrible luck with the charging around Chicago, but if I get more than 80kw at any point in the charging session, it's because the charger was fully functional.

@anticringeclub

2 ай бұрын

very much this, if you don't precondition you're already putting yourself at a huge disadvantage

What about comparing to the M60? Wouldn’t that satisfy the sporty need compared to the Lucid?

I hope lucid stays in the game. Both them and rivian are facing the mountain.

Did this Lucid Air have the base Surreal Sound system or Surreal Sound Pro?

Can you make a list of noise measurements for different cars?

E39 is still the daddy. Not selling mine until I have to.

@dynamicremakes5592

2 ай бұрын

The F10 is the best gen tbh it’s going on 13 years old and still looks modern

I absolutely despise EVs and I would still buy a Lucid simply because it’s done RIGHT.

Lucid makes a better drivers car, but the fate of many of these electric car startups aren't guarenteed. I don't love bmw but at least I'm confident they'll still exist as a company in 5 years time

Two vehicles for the common man.

"Your risk of being air lifted out is much greater in the Sapphire"...lol

Fair report. Unfortunately BMW no longer makes drivers cars. Things started going down hill in 2009 by 2013 most BMWs had lost their dynamic adge. I had a 2012 x3 although it had no steering feel. It was still a fun to drive drift-able suv. I miss the non turbo straight six. What an engine. The electric motor before electric motors.

If they named the battery B58, would AI Jack halt, catch fire or become sentient?

@cbotten106

2 ай бұрын

If that were to come to pass, Jack would become the poster boy for spontaneous human combustion. Let's just hope that doesn't happen,

Not totallly sold on the Lucid pitch yet, but I do think they offer a unique take on the future of EVs and it would be a shame if they don't maintain solvency going forward.

Another (well-deserved) brick-bat for BMW. I take your point WRT the interior fitments in the Lucid (no cigar for falling short on this score in a vehicle that purports to be a l-u-x-u-r-y sport sedan). Nevertheless, the Lucid looks much nicer on the outside (the BMW looks like an overweight parody of its ancestors). More importantly, the folks at Lucid seem still to believe that we who buy vehicles might actually be interested in driving them (and having fun while doing so). Heaps of kudos to Lucid for that. Unfortunately, the BMW will likely sell like hotcakes (a testament to the power of marketing and past legacy), when surely this burgermeister deserves to be shunned for its awful driving dynamics. I hope Lucid does well with this vehicle--and works out the shortcomings that mar the interior audioscape and the driver-interface. Thank you for another great review.

@acanuck1679

2 ай бұрын

PS: "Yobness" (23"02'). Outstanding!

FYI - "driving impressions" timestamp caption on YT was swapped for both cars

0:54 - Savage Geese attack residue (just below the drivers side mirror)!!

8:00 Um did you condition the battery in either car?

I would love to see the Lucid Air Touring AWD with the upgraded sound system and their driving assist professional vs the BWM i5 M60. These are the 2 EVs that made my shortlist, but went with the BMW because of the software. You didn’t mention how you crack your head getting in and out of the Lucid unless you remember to duck.

Sound insulation is often a good indicator of quality. Lots of cars try to wow their customers with flashy crap, but what matters in the end is how it drives and feels.

I wonder if depreciation will hit these cars both the same. My money is on the BMW being the better vehicle to pick up off lease if that is your thing. I am not into paying for ANY new vehicle (waste of money!) so it will be interesting to see how reliable both of these cars are. After all, the EV-vangelists say that EVs are more reliable than their gas counterparts, and the horror stories associated with servicing BMWs have kept me from considering them as potential options for me. That said, I own VWs and have had almost zero issues with them, none which were show stoppers for me, so maybe a BMW could do well for me…

The Saudiis must know something that we don't about Lucid when they gave them a $1B lifeline.

Why are you making good videos?

I anxiously wait for the day Lucid comes to Europe

So basically it just comes down to whether you want to use turn signals or not

At this point I would only lease an electric vehicle due to their rapid progress and very uncertain resale value. Right now, you can easily lease an i5 for around $600 per month which is notably cheaper than Lucid's >$700 and they also require double the down payment vs BMW. The other question is will Lucid be even around in 5 years?

@gregmcgrath1226

2 ай бұрын

Saudi owns 60% and they are making this part of their transition away from oil. I think Lucid will be around for a long time.

@ratshackmojo

2 ай бұрын

@@gregmcgrath1226 Lucid lost over $2 billion last year. Even rich daddies from Riyadh have their limits.

@cbotten106

2 ай бұрын

They'll have to prove it for me to believe it. They made 26 billion of profits off the Aramco IPO. With a market cap of $1.7 trillion. Don't cry for rich daddies.

@gregmcgrath1226

2 ай бұрын

@@ratshackmojo You think they were not aware of how much investment it would take before they might see a break even point? If that? Lucid are going to be producing these en masse in Saudi Arabia for Europe and Asia and breaking even or even carrying it with some losses would be worth it for the tech and manufacturing sector Saudi are trying to build. Tier 1, benefits Tier 2, benefits Tier 3. I really dont care if Saudi succeeds or not- but they are not stupid enough to throw billions at this to just walk away within a couple of years. Also, Lucid, by all accounts of Automotive news, reviews, and customer feedback, are making a great product. Thats something some legacy brands cannot tout about their EV offerings after throwing Billions at their attempts.

I know they were going for ultimate range and driving dynamics with coming out with a sedan first, but CUVs sell these days, just look at Model Y vs. S sales. They would have been much better served releasing a slightly cheaper Gravity type CUV out the gate and taken the slight hit to ultimate range numbers. That and just getting Android Auto / Apple Car play to work from the get go should be key for any non Tesla auto maker right now.

I went from a 2019 Model 3 Performance to a 2024 BMW i5. Lucid was on my shortlist but the closest shop was 3 hours away. I wanted a more luxurious drive and I don’t like SUVs at all and the BMW delivers. I share the distaste for the braking of the bmw though. If you have any questions on the i5 ask away!

@Iwo26

2 ай бұрын

Is the luxury of i5 really worth the price difference over the Model 3? I'm contemplating between the new Model 3 Ludicrous that is coming up vs the i5.

@Helmigurt

2 ай бұрын

@@Iwo26 Depends a lot what you want: I didn’t test drive the facelift Model 3 but compared to my old Model 3 Performance the BMW has more real world range, is quieter, has better driving assist features (no more phantom braking thankfully), has better lights, a much better interior (especially the seats and the head-up display), more leg room In the back and a bigger trunk (but no frunk). On the downside the Model 3 had way more power and was more fun on a back road. The new Model 3 rectified a few problems like the noisiness and the lights as well as the cooled seats so just based on a price point of view it’s probably the better deal. I was also somehow fed-up with seeing so many Model 3s and Ys on the road as well as Elons crazy antics and the whole Tesla insanity the follows the brand that I didn’t even consider another Tesla even though my ownership of the Model 3 was nearly trouble-free and generally a positive experience.

@cbotten106

2 ай бұрын

Yeah model 3's are a dime a dozen. Good change up. The i5 is the new hot thing, which will cut both ways over time. @@Helmigurt

@louKushh

2 ай бұрын

"Elon's crazy antics." oh, you're one of those guys...

@Helmigurt

2 ай бұрын

@@louKushh Oh, you’re one of thooose guys…

I always find it funny when the reviewers say Lucid does not have the 'Brand value'. Someone who will buy a $100K sedan will move around in a social circle where everyone knows what Lucid is. They don't care what your average middle class Joe at Target thinks about them. It's called Quiet luxury lifestyle. PS - I am an average middle class Joe.

I always thought the Lucid Air competes with the i7. I guess not. Thanks Savagegeese.

@krane15

12 күн бұрын

In full regalia it surpasses the i7 by a huge margin.

@mr.boombah6511

4 күн бұрын

It’s better than the i7 Better range looks and speed

Maybe revisit the Fiskar Ocean since they are having a fire sale.

@isserdigan2835

2 ай бұрын

Yeah coz they arent back by anything. Lucid is backed by Saudi PIF fund. Rivian is backed by Amazon and Tesla is Tesla.

@bavariancarenthusiast2722

2 ай бұрын

sadly but true - will they survive at all?

What's BMW's Moto? The Ultimate driving machine, Bravo Lucid 👏 A startup!! Drives better than a beamer, and beats it in packaging too!! Refinement comes with experience which BMW has decades of.

Lucid!

Next time you're in San Diego you'll see a lot more Lucid around here, people seem to know.

Did either company say why they didn't include a differential? It's technically possible to do that with EVs. Is it cost, complexity?

@Helmigurt

2 ай бұрын

It’s for sure cost but also efficiency - a differential adds some resistance and nobody wants to loose 2% of range and add 500 bucks to the costs for a feature not even 1% of clients will honor. The Porsche Taycan has one as an extra.

@cbotten106

2 ай бұрын

And the top Lotus Eletre R does too. Other that the Audi Etron (& RS)that's it, afaik. @@Helmigurt

Ride the Lightning- excellent choice! 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻