Could never understand why we weren't encouraged to use lpg instead EVs, infrastructure was in place no need digging up streets for chargers and still cleaner

@marshmower

10 ай бұрын

No government slush funds to toy around with when something is already proven. It literally come out of the ground. Government can't skim money off the top or pretend to develop magical mystery technology and reward their buddies when talking about low cost tech such as LPG.

@Druze_Tito

5 ай бұрын

you don't produce LPG in UK. You were importing it from Russia.

@makantahi3731

3 ай бұрын

@@Druze_Tito lpg is sub product of fractional distillation of crude oil, you do not have any refinery in uk?

2020's in Eastern Europe, LPG still rules

@notharry

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely, plenty of big engined cruisers where I live with conversions for half price fuel.

@attractiveness999

2 жыл бұрын

Ți se pare

@lolfred7555

10 ай бұрын

Kaboom

@1Himiko7Toga

9 ай бұрын

I don't trust a pressurized tank on my ass

In Holland, LPG is less than half the price of petrol. Road tax is a little bit higher, but at 12000 km's a year and more, LPG is cheaper than petrol. And yet so few people use it.

@DashCamSerbia

2 жыл бұрын

Not everyone want's additional maintenece, not everyone wants a smelless gas leaking inside their car without them knowing (with petrol, you will smell it), not everyone wants to destroy their engine.

@girlsdrinkfeck

2 жыл бұрын

@@DashCamSerbia people in UK with LPG are laughing now with the petrol shortage

@DashCamSerbia

2 жыл бұрын

@@girlsdrinkfeck Yeah, fake petrol shortage. Truck driver shortage you mean...

@macman6107

2 жыл бұрын

@@DashCamSerbiaI can tell you've never been in an LPG fuelled car. What extra maintenance? The LPG system serviced every year is the same as the petrol system will need. It's not the 1970s buddy. Everything you mention about LPG fuelled cars/vehicles is utter bullocks.

@macman6107

2 жыл бұрын

LPG is what every car should be using. It's not just cheaper it's far cleaner than petrol and diesel.

Here in Australia we have heaps of Duel fuel (petrol and LPG system) cars & utes in the 25 years I've been here I've heard of one LPG car fire he had adjusted the system to run rich, buggered it up and 💥 but never heard of a tank exploding in a crash but have seen petrol systems go up in crashes, I know percentages count but if they were dangerous the skippies wouldn't use them.

LPG did suffer the same problem electric cars are suffering now: distribution network and refilling.

@JoriDiculous

2 жыл бұрын

And that right there is the only truth that matter. Take Norway, we produce lots of gas ( and oil), and i think there are less than 100 LPG stations in all of country. Also the gas (propane etc) that you can buy is stupid expensive (roughly £35 pr 10L).

@dany1441

2 жыл бұрын

Not in Holland. Or France, Germany.

@rossbrumby1957

2 жыл бұрын

What's so hard about refilling? So many older cars would spray petrol out the filler when the filler cuts out- anyone remember filling an Aussie station wagon from the 70's? Lpg won't do that shit- and fills as fast as petrol( unless you get a crappy pump).

@cicci0salsicci0

2 жыл бұрын

@@rossbrumby1957 I was referring to the problem od building the network and distributing the gas itself. The "refilling" problem is "trying to find a bloody place that sell the thing". Electricity is already literally everywhere.

@ProbablyTheBestUkuleleDadEver

2 жыл бұрын

3 LPG stations near me in the middle of Shropshire, so it shouldn't be a problem 👍🏻

He says "Every LPG tank is made from 10mm thick steel"! No they're not. Autogas tank wall thickness is 2.5 to 4mm depending on design factors. A 10mm thick tank would be very heavy in a car.

The government needs to offer more incentives for LPG refueling stations. I run my 01 Range Rover 4.0HSE on LPG 99% of the time without issue.

You are absolutely right in your LPG report from the UK. We did the same explosion tests here at Transport Canada labs in the 1980s. Collisions and the possible explosions showed that propane is a much safer fuel in transportation. Today however, those driving on internal combustion engines who do not want or have electric cars, as an alternative, should look into this LPG autogas option.

Its really cool seeing the same Cedric Taxi 8 years later on Jonny's channel (The Late Brake Show) posted the same day

Main problem with LPG is the massive lack of refill stations.

@UncleRa

2 жыл бұрын

Depends on the country. Here, in the Czech Republic, I have no problems with finding an LPG station at all. Also do not forget that a full-sized petrol tank is still available in the car. So even if you will not be able to find an LPG station, you can use petrol until you find one. Another pro is that I can have a much bigger range by having both tanks (LPG and petrol) full. It allows me to cover distances almost twice longer in areas where fueling can be a problem. Totally love LPG in my car.

@afd1040

2 жыл бұрын

same with Turkey , I think main issue with lpg in Turkey is that they are banned from entering closed places like an underground car park.

@jmondragqueen

Жыл бұрын

In Australia 90% of fuel stations do gas

@SparkySlow

Жыл бұрын

In Romania is like 10 Evey city

@Druze_Tito

5 ай бұрын

Yeah. Just keep pressing the sleeping bear and you will never see LPG again. At least not at the convenient level.

Just converted my W212 e300 to LPG, With a full tank, costing about $40, i can ride on average 550 km, combined city/hwy. While with $40 of gasoline I cannot get any farther than 300km. And there isn't any change in my car's performace. They installed a button on my dashboard, so I can switch between LPG and gasoline with a press of the button. Very satisfyed with the result, the investment of conversion is worth every penny

Such a shame LPG and other natural gas vehicles never caught on in the USA. Yeah we had some buses or the Honda civic GX but that was about it during the Great Recession when gas prices were up. I work as a door dash driver and I’d love an LPG or CNG car but they never caught on here

LPG is very boost friendly too. I had a ride in a turbo V8 LPG Mustang in the late 80s. Hauled arse!

The single walled steel tanks are not used here due to the rupture hazard. Seems to be mostly during filling somehow? At least they have to be certified here, explaining why there are so few accidents.

In Thailand, LPG is 3 times cheaper than Benzin95. Almost all of taxis and tuktuk have used LPG here for more than 60 years, maybe more. It is wildly used before I was born.

@johnyon123

2 ай бұрын

How safe is it vs petrol car?

@tahayusufyagmur

2 ай бұрын

​@@johnyon123 lpg is safe but not in closed park areas. in turkey 1L gasoline is 43 Turkish lira but 1L lpg is 20 Turkish lira it's so cheap when you compare them

This actually changed my mind about LPG

My parents run LPG in there Land Rover Discovery 3 4.4 v8 and it’s almost half the price of petrol and at its MOT the emissions are the best the garage say they’ve ever seen

It's true petrol is dangerous just imagine replacing petrol in petrol stations with only LPG and diesel

Interesting time to post this as LPG is as good as dead as a car fuel in the UK :) was that Jonnys taxi or did he get one after this video?

@colhapablap

2 жыл бұрын

interesting. LPG is used in the vast majority of taxis here in s korea and still very much alive. and i think he got his cedric fairly recently. he must've fallen in love with it during the filming of this episode from 2013.

Gas is okay. Apart from hard starting and the occasional backfire, also you use more of it. It does burn cleaner but also drier i was only a kid when i was around a few lpg cars but i only remember seeing one with a valve saver kit that sucked upper cylinder lube in the intake. Torque is good to but generally the converters run outta steam fairly quickly.. we had an ex taxi that had 750000km on it still ran great never seen a valve saver kit in that car.

LPG in Italy is the cheapest fuel... Normally Between 0,50 and 0,60€/L ... Then comes CNG with 0,90€/Kg, Third place Diesel between 1,3 and 1,4€/L and finally Petrol with a price between 1,5 and 1,6€/L

@TheSuperBoyProject

Жыл бұрын

When I visited Italy I was paying 1.7€ for diesel. Very expensive, in Greece I was paying 1.3€. Bad experience 👎

Thats why forklifts use gas and have bottles on the back for indoor use and diesel forklifts are more for outdoor use

LPG has been a great alternative, especially for turbocharging a factory engine. With lpg liking higher compression because of its higher octane, turbocharging a 9.0:1 engine and adding gas is a great combination.

It's funny that all those years later, Jonny actually (recently) bought a Nissan Cedric LPG taxi!

@Stator720

2 жыл бұрын

I think that's actually the one he now owns..

@HexAyed

2 жыл бұрын

@@Stator720 I checked the reg, it is! who'da thought it

Having owned a number of LPG Cars and Trucks theres a few more things worth noting. LPG is heavier than air so if you do have a leak it will sink to the lowest point which can be the drainage system. LPG is hard on ignition systems, it is much harder to ignite in an engine and it eats spark plugs at twice the rate of Petrol and you need 8mm plug leads and a remapped distributor or altered advance curve, ignore the maintainence and it will backfire through the intake violently and destroy stuff. LPG component maintainence is also important because the use of LPG leaves a tar like substance in the components over time. LPG in Aus is now 0.79 to 0.90 cents per litre in Australia where fuel is currently $1.55 ish and you generally use more litres LPG per km than Petrol. Ford AUstralia was the only company to ever create a dedicated LPG system and it worked really well and brought us the Green top Barra 6 cyl engine with heavier internals on the rotating mass because of the issue with backfiring if you didnt change your spark plugs every 15 to 20 thousand km. Finally I dont have LPG on any of my cars anymore.

@thebengardneryoutubechannel

2 жыл бұрын

That’s why then 😅

@UncleRa

2 жыл бұрын

I live in the Czech Republic, I have Dacia Duster, Bi-fueled, meaning I have two full-sized tanks in the car: Petrol and LPG. This is a brand new car, LPG was installed on the factory by Dacia so it is under the warranty. Ignition always starts with petrol and then the car automatically switches to LPG, so no issues with ignition whatsoever. I just buy few liters of petrol three times a year. All LPG-related services can be done during a yearly check at my official dealer and add only 20USD to the standard cost of the inspection. LPG is three times cheaper than petrol in my country. There are plenty of LPG stations here. Cars running on LPG pay fewer toll fees and etc. So it all depends on the country. What I am trying to say here is that there is no problem with LPG itself, there is only a problem with infrastructure in some countries.

@rossbrumby1957

2 жыл бұрын

Holden made the VE Commodore available as a dedicated LPG car. I currently own an AU 1 tonner Falcon dedicated gas and have owned 3 dual fuellers in the past. Given the right heat range plugs are used for lpg, gas makes the motor last longer by cleaner burning and no way for flooding to dilute oil. Once had a clagged 265 Valiant which fouled plugs every 2 weeks- converted to gas and plugs stayed clean for over 2 months at a time. They dont backfire if you dont open the throttle while starting the motor. First rule of lpg- don't touch the throttle while cranking!

@rockabilly375

Жыл бұрын

@@UncleRa I have the new bi -fuel Sandero. I agree with all you say.

If it’s all so good, there must be a reason why it’s not used much, I’m guessing either it might not run for as long as petrol does (say 300k mile + cars) or governments make more money from petrol

@boriszodov786

Жыл бұрын

the second reason i think.

@blawkenmusic

Жыл бұрын

New cars with Direct injection system killed LPG. Most cars with MPI injectors have LPG in my country. Its just cheaper and doesn't hurt the engine. LPG instalation for MPI engine is around 500-1000$. LPG instalation for Direct injection engine is around 2500-4000$ and you still need 15-20% of gasoline when running to cool off injectors. Modern cars don't like LPG and that's the problem

@xynostasos9022

10 ай бұрын

@@blawkenmusic for modern engines you're looking for CNG.

The reason why petrol explosion was more violent than LPG is because explosions are caused by gases expansion. In LPG case, the car is filled with a flammable gas, that ignites. However, in case of petrol there's also air, which expands after the petrol is ignited

@makantahi3731

3 ай бұрын

if lpg leaks it is in gas state, petrol is in liquid state, and it collects on one place

I run my 79 Caddy 7.5 ltr V8 on LPG and it runs great and no different than petrol but it's like doubling the MPG .

@SparkySlow

Жыл бұрын

It has half caloric power

@makantahi3731

3 ай бұрын

@@SparkySlow not per kg, about same, 30% less per volume

I think the question would be: are lpg valves more or less likely to be faulty than gas systems or are they easily safe?

@erindsharka559

Жыл бұрын

Even the most cheap Autogas Kits have at least 3 safety valves , one at the tank , one at injection system and one at gas filter . So even if one is faultu there are two other that make the job in case of leakage ( that is extremly rare in modern kits )

@erindsharka559

Жыл бұрын

@@martin518441 yeah tells us also the chemical reaction in wich the material of the valve is made during production 😂 It was only in theory mate , just a first look , im not a mechanic , only a lpg user

@makantahi3731

3 ай бұрын

wrong question, you should ask: what will ignite easier in depend of position: around tank, between tank and engine and in engine bay, answer is petrol will ignite easier if it leaks on hot parts of exhaust, lpg will be just blown by wind because it is in gas state , not liquid, and it is heavier than air and it leaves engine bay

Poor Omega

lpg ask dacia about it, you can buy a brand new dacia equipped whit a petrol and lpg tank factory installed at no extra cost.

@rockabilly375

Жыл бұрын

I have one, it's brilliant

And that's why there are only 2,395 Vauxhall Omegas left in the UK (August 2021).

@adamspitfire

2 жыл бұрын

With one that I saw today

WRONG ! The problem with LPG is not that your car will blow up it's that your whole neighborhood could blow up! LPG is heavier than air so it will find all the lowest places and pool there until something ignites it. Leaking LPG tanks have been known to take out entire caravan parks and buildings and entire blocks .Having a Professionally fitted systems is no guarantee that a failure won't happen but fortunately it's fairly rare much rarer than an EV fire.

@tadziu-ec1ks

6 ай бұрын

a posiadasz auto z lpg

Big tank in boot used to freak me out 💥

@jwils489

2 жыл бұрын

Safer than the one underneath

@makantahi3731

3 ай бұрын

if somebody hit you in trunk it will save you because it is like football ball , it can take big force before cracks

LOL what? Unlike LPG, petrol takes a lot of effort for the vapor concentration to become explosive, and you will clearly smell it way before it happens. Also no way a cigarette may ever set petrol on fire (also any gas btw), as the temperature is way too low.

Jonnys own TAXI now

In the Netherlands the situation is slightly different, but no all that much. The government used to have tax benefits and even grants for conversion to LPG, but for some reason they stopped. The taxing is also different, as we pay more tax for LPG than for Petrol. And there is a difference between a bog standard LPG installation, and a G3 one. The G3 pay less tax, and are really the only viable option these days. But why is the tax higher anyway? If the government wants us to be better for the environment, surely they would make it cheaper from the start? Well, now...here comes the problem. If you pay less tax, they have less money to spend....and that should be avoided at all costs... Same is going to happen with Electric Battery cars, soon they will find a way to tax the electicity and any cost advantage will be gone. So....the only reason to buy an LPG car in the Netherlands is to make yourself feel good about being good to the environment.....and as it turns out, not many people are willen to take the inconveniance for that. (The tank does take up quite a bit of space, and you have to find filling stations that sell it)

@marshmower

10 ай бұрын

In USA, this LPG is available to our municipal busses but I have no idea if the public has access. I'm curious and so far, the busses are still operational after 7 years so now, I'd be more willing to take steps if there's anything to save $ wise

I have an lpg car and well ive never blowed up soo

In Turkey, lpg is waaay more popular due to stupidly high petrol prices. Some 3rd world country problems 🤦‍♂️

Gas is always more dangerous than gasoline, like a leakage in an accident. The leakage can be anywhere, even if the tank itself is sturdy. Liquids are much safer and easier to control with no or very low pressures.

Sad that LPG never got the recognition it deserved.

How can i start lpg business in uk

@denhaagtrader8781

Ай бұрын

Im with you on that one. I see a shortage and a lot of annoyed people as we cannot get hold of the stuff in the past 3-6 months it's been difficult. Now my local garages have stopped all together now. Surely we can get a business to just do autogas in major cities and towns. I see the gap.. and would be good to do. Kind of a middle finger to the government and forecourts and then making sure it's still for us all to use keeping the prices competitive

in UK to tax a LPG car is only £10 cheaper than petrol car, + lpg is cheaper than petrol

LPG was a flop. I was only a little kid when it came about, but I do remember bits of it. One quite appealing proposition I've encountered is hydrogen. It's derived from water in a process called electrolysis, which involves adding sodium to water and then electrifying it. Existing petrol engines need very little work to convert them to run on it, so no new technology really needs to be implemented. Seeing how the only exhaust gases you'll get are water vapours, the fact that we're not exploring it is truly nonsensical. Especially over here in Britain, which is bloody notorious for large amounts of rainfall. Water really does fall from the sky, so finding water for it ain't a problem.

@king_james_official

2 ай бұрын

hydrogen is harder to store and less efficient than petrol. also lpg is not a flop and rules many european countries. you also don't seem to understand that water is nonconductive and you don't need *only* water to make hydrogen. also, it's made from electricity so unless most of your country's electricity is clean, you're just burning things with extra steps.

here in Australia we made factory made lpg cars, ive had one since 2009, only runs on lpg, fantastic much cleaner fuel, engine internals are spotless, oil never goes black, But we also are losing the industry here, seems silly as we have some of the worlds biggest natural lpg reserves, We sell it to places like japan ,where they pay for our lpg cheaper than us aussies pay for it , go figure,

The real question is can you convert a plug-in hybrid to LPG to get the ultimate cheap to drive car?

@ProbablyTheBestUkuleleDadEver

2 жыл бұрын

No real reason why you shouldn't be able to, it's only a petrol engine with a big alternator to charge the battery.

@erindsharka559

Жыл бұрын

Sure you can . Toyotas are the best hybrids to convert in lpg

@spokesmanster

4 ай бұрын

Yes, my friend converted a Prius. It's laughable now how huge the range is now. He just forgets to fill it up lol

how is engine power affected?

@asif0905

2 жыл бұрын

10-15% less they should covered this and other things in the vid

@rockabilly375

Жыл бұрын

@@asif0905 10 extra bhp running on LPG rather than petrol in my Dacia actually.

@asif0905

Жыл бұрын

@@rockabilly375 wow quite surprising that, any idea why? I thought it was fairly common knowledge it drops 10-15%

@rockabilly375

Жыл бұрын

@@asif0905 Maybe you mean Mpg ?

@asif0905

Жыл бұрын

@@rockabilly375 no meant power, it does drop. MPG wise you get less per gallon of gas but gas is a lot cheaper. In the UK it's half the cost of petrol

Wow, so this is where Jonny first meets the Jonnycab, and fall in love nstantly! Historic moment.

Soo much better for environment

Upon reflection the channel name fifth gear was a little short sighted.

@jwils489

2 жыл бұрын

Tenth gear anyone

South KOREA LPG car good. My car fuel LPG . Very nice . KIA Cadenza (K7) V6 3.0 235 Hp 28kg.💪🏻 Lpi fuel injection system Hyundai Kia technologe very good.

What about CNG ?

@makantahi3731

3 ай бұрын

heavy tanks, good only for heavy vehicles(bus, truck, ..)

5:21 Why they use propane not LPG mixture? Propane is diffrent than LPG

@makantahi3731

3 ай бұрын

propane has lower boiling temp, so it is used in cold area, in area with winter temps not below -20C , propane/butane is ok, then is 2bars in tank

@StopTeoriomSpiskowym

3 ай бұрын

@@makantahi3731 Thank you.

lpg has 104 octane number(RON)

Love the way in Japan yen is like a massive figure compared to like pounds or euros

different is LPG tanks into car trunk and can leak into interior. petrol not leak to interior always isolates

@makantahi3731

3 ай бұрын

wrong, it can not leak into interior, tank valve and pipes connections are sealed and connected on outside air

@StopTeoriomSpiskowym

3 ай бұрын

@@makantahi3731 Only in theory. The LPG tank has an outlet into the trunk floor near the valve. for example, a toroidal tank instead of a spare wheel. But it's only a lid, if there is a leak the lid is not always tight. The second thing is the tank is on the trunk floor, which is not always sealed. If the rear of the tank is crash, it will no longer be insulated from the interior (broken floor ) and the installation may become unsealed. the tank may also be punctured sometimes.

@makantahi3731

3 ай бұрын

@@StopTeoriomSpiskowym toomuch times IF, lid has rubber seal and it seals,if any leak it goes out of car,to crash tank is only theory because it is made from 10 times thicker steel than car,and pressure of gas inside helps to prevent tank deformation and crack

@makantahi3731

3 ай бұрын

@@StopTeoriomSpiskowym how can tank be punctured,it is not tire,every 10 years is pressure check or tank replacement, all your theory is not possible if lpg is legal and checked as should be

@makantahi3731

3 ай бұрын

@@StopTeoriomSpiskowym i had petrol leak in interior because seal was broken on petrol thank where is fuel pump and metal cover of car body does not have seal

Does LPG burns faster then petrol?

@makantahi3731

3 ай бұрын

lpg has 104 RON octane number, burn speed depends of pressure and temperature, if engine is designed for 95 octane , 90 octane will burn faster, 104octane fuel will burn slower, so if you wanna use 104 octane fuel on 95 octane engine you have to change spark plug time, advance it because it burns slower, but if you heat up fuel to some temp, spark plug timing can stay same, that why lpg is overheated in evaporator, and that is why engine losses some hp , not much, but if you do not overheat lpg and change spark timing you can get some more hp

Everybody scared gas bottle...

ขอรับการยืนยันหรืออ้างอิง:

Ahh yes i drive a diesel mate no problem for me ;)

haaaa ..wszysko nie prawda lpg jest bezpieczniejszy niz zbiornik benzyny

@king_james_official

2 ай бұрын

no przeciez to powiedzieli bucu

5:42 *_crikey_*

I absolutely love those Japanese taxis!

@mycosys

2 жыл бұрын

Jonny still has it! - it was on his channel today

I hear that it also causes more wear on the engine due to lacking the lubricating properties of gasoline. Is this true?

@JayDee-xj9lu

2 жыл бұрын

Gasoline doesn't lubricate , it actually dissolves oil. Gasoline just cools the inlet valves, that's why they use hardened valve seats. But since there is no lead in gasoline most cars have hard valve seats anyway.

@erindsharka559

Жыл бұрын

Just like any car ... dont tell me that you havent seen diesel cars at the mechanic shop changing the injectors or head gasket

@makantahi3731

3 ай бұрын

do not drive honda

@M.I.T

Diesel 😉

@thepurdychannel8866

2 жыл бұрын

Yes i got a 1.4tdi the economy is amazing

@DaveDVideoMaker

2 жыл бұрын

@@thepurdychannel8866 When Jeremy Clarkson drove a Volkswagen Lupo 1.4 TDI, he did 75mpg.

@sukhdevr3489

2 жыл бұрын

@@DaveDVideoMaker That was great back then but even luxury cars can do similar now. My Dad's Corolla estate does 76mpg.

@thepurdychannel8866

2 жыл бұрын

@@DaveDVideoMaker i got a polo tdi its 5 door a bit heavier im guessing 65 mpg my dads citroen xsara picasso 2.0l hdi does 55 mpg according to the display the worst mpg my dad got is 45 i think

@DaveDVideoMaker

2 жыл бұрын

@@thepurdychannel8866 Okay then. That’s quite good for these types of cars. My dad has a diesel X5, and he averaged just 25mpg.

It’s the rate of vaporization. Gasoline is extremely volatile due to the very nature of what it is needed for.

Ты Гат почему ты взрываеш Опель омегу

Diesel 😉😂😂😂😂

@makantahi3731

3 ай бұрын

yes, when something broke😂😂😂😂

many wrong things about lpg and petrol

16th comment

Nice propaganda.

@erindsharka559

Жыл бұрын

Why ?

Question: If you accidentally crash a car behind the back of the converted LPG car, does it explode or no? I do now know whether my question is real or fiction. Bear with me.

@erindsharka559

Жыл бұрын

Lpg tanks are very durable and strong

@makantahi3731

3 ай бұрын

lpg tank is strongest part of car after engine block(if is filled , empty is less strong), some idiot with fiat punto crashed in me with 50km/h, his car looked like he hit concrete wall, on my car he broke rear fog lights , and rear bumper was bruised, no structural damage on trunk, thanks big donut tank that distributed force equally around

i had lpg on my second car , mazda 626 glx . it was a winter and i had a summer tyres . well , i was drifting with a handbrake on the all corners and then i crashd in to the bus . lpg tank holders on the one side hold and on the other got broken . i was lucky i had no lpg in the tank . otherwise it would be a fire ball

@makantahi3731

3 ай бұрын

it would not, you need heat and spark