One thing I hadn't thought of: QueensLink would cause two transfer points to the M train to be available to this line. The proposed location of the Woodhaven Boulevard station is immediately to the west of where the Rockaway Beach Branch once ran. The ROW for the connecting track between the Montauk Branch and Rockaway Beach Branch appears to still be intact, as it curves just south of proposed Woodhaven Boulevard station site and the Seither Stadium toward Union Turnpike without much development over it. I feel like the Montauk Branch, if reactivated, does have potential to spur growth in those parts of Queens, and assist in the development of LIC (which is booming), but the at-open ridership is really going to rely on connections to other services. IBX and QueensLink getting built I feel like would do wonders for the viability of the Lower Montauk in the short term, while I feel like the areas it serves should be looked at for future development as we combat the housing crisis.
@MTAProdigy
9 ай бұрын
Very good analysis.
@pokemonred20059 ай бұрын
Also, the train in the caption of the study is the Nippon-Sharyo DMU, which was being used for Union-Pearson Express in Toronto. The thing shares trackage w/ the Kitchener Line, so calling it light rail is an interesting choice (they're also high level because the MBTA was the original company that would have used them for our "Indigo Line" project for the commuter rail within Massachusetts Route 128, but the contract was cancelled for cost reasons)
@pcmanaddict77959 ай бұрын
The expected ridership numbers for each station are underwhelming.
@MagicMike-rd8mz
9 ай бұрын
Good and unfortunately There's no subway 🚉 service in most of the Areas where Lower Montauk Branch is set up to run along through . Transportation in neighborhood such as Maspeth Middle Village and Glendale and some part of Woodhaven run very limited. And there for alot people drive to get to and from work or from where they need to go. But that's bad those who don't drive. Queens has alot of industry Areas that dose have that much Transportation. For instance if you work at FedEx witch is a cross the Tracks of Lower Montauk Branch and you'll coming from Brooklyn you'll have take either the J or the L And take the B-24 witch run unreliable or go the other way and take the M to either Forest ave for Q-39 or Metropolitan ave for Q-67 and still. Work for about 20 minutes sir now that's still alot. Sir. Why not just rebuild this to service area that need more Transit. Also if your coming from the number 7 train 🚉 witch is located at Queens Blvd and 46 to get FedEx or Ups it's a very long week . Due to how the B-24 is set by the BQE and The Q-67. it might mostly Industrial 🏭 But there people who live in area and go to work in area. Sir .and over the weekends the Bus are even much slower. Ridership might be alot better if the MTA would've allow a special fare for the line. For instance it a work who live in Brooklyn like Crown Heights or By East New York or Downtown Brooklyn instead or going into Manhattan. Why can't you just take LIRR to Jamaica and switch for the Lower Montauk Branch.
@MagicMike-rd8mz9 ай бұрын
Goodevening sir. If the MTA would've think about rebuilding the Lower Montauk Branch as a link Between Long Island City to Jamaica. Would've great especially for m people who live or go to work in that area including myself. I work in Maspeth. Maspeth Queens is only served by Bus like Q-39 Q-67 Q-59 and The B-24 and B-57 . It might seem like there alot of Bus service in the area. But that's not the case. The B-24 doesn't run as often . The Q-67 only run ok during the rushing hours. Off the rush hours and weekends it's a hour waiting. Witch is very unreliable and unacceptable to have bus running. The Q-39 Witch much better but you'll have to walk up to at least 8 to 10 blocks and most of them are industrial blocks also. Most people who work at Ups witch is located around 48 at street and 56 ave FedEx usually walk from the number 7 train witch is at Queens Blvd and 46 that's up to a mile away if you work in FedEx it's even longer because you'll walk down hill 48 st 53 ave also continue to walk down the hill passing Industrial 🏭 area in Maspeth and the cross over the track of the Lower Montauk Branch. Sir I know that's alot just to get to work or school sir. Just be rebuild the Lower Montauk Branch will make a big difference in people commute sir. There's a Amazon Wearhouse in Maspeth witch isn't to far from Grand ave and Rusty st witch is'nt to far away from the old h still in Maspeth where Transportation is very limited sir. You only Q-39 Q-59 Buses in that area sir a Buses can only do so much sir. Now Fresh Road Station 🚉 witch located in Between Metropolitan ave and And Fresh Pond Road and Metro Mall is by the M train station and the Future Interbro Express Station 🚉 that would great for the Lower Montauk Branch to link up to the Interbro Express right sir. Also 80St can sever Glendale sir. Now Woodhaven Blvd is next to Forest Park 🏞 then next is Richmond Hill Station 🚉 the station is still available just fix it up and last its Jamaica Station. Connecting with different trains the AirTrain and Subways JMZ sir. It would be necessary for the MTA to rebuild the Lower Montauk Branch. Asap. Just as much as IBX sir.
@pokemonred20059 ай бұрын
A fun fact is that the Lower Montauk was the primary route for passenger trains before 1910. The LIRR under PRR ownership only re-focused on the Main Line because the East River Tunnels were ultimately easier to connect to the Main Line due to the angle it approached Long Island City from, and because it would be a more convenient location for Sunnyside Yard (towards LIC, the Lower Montauk paralleled a river, which would likely have made quadruple tracking and a massive yard harder to build)
@MTAProdigy
9 ай бұрын
Very good analysis!
@pokemonred2005
9 ай бұрын
@@MTAProdigy thank you! I feel like the Lower Montauk would be great for job development in the rapidly gentrifying LIC, since LIC itself is adjacent to the East River ferries, the route itself is shorter than the main line by 3/4th of a mile, and a reactivated line, if built to mainline standards, would allow trains to LIC to be able to reach it without sharing much track with trains to Manhattan (though, if through trains begin using the line, this comes with the cost of losing the easy 7 transfer at Hunterspoint Avenue/Woodside and any QBL service at Forest Hills, so this needs to be factored in for any ridership stats)
@MagicMike-rd8mz9 ай бұрын
Goodnight sir . There are a lot people who work in Long Island City Hunter Point And Maspeth and West Maspeth. That don't own a car like myself who Rely on vey unreliable Bus service in Queens like on the Q-67. Witch runs like e every 20 minutes during rush hours and of the rush off isn't every 30 minutes. And after 7 it run once a hour to 11 in direction and from Middle Village to Queens plaza the last Bus it's at 10 pm . On the t& The weekends there only two Buses one going and coming on the Q-6 Witch is unacceptable. The Q-39 is alot better and The Q-59 also. But you would have to still want or end up walking or take a cab if you was to miss it. Alot of people drive. Due to poor Bus service. Unfortunately for myself let's just say that I choose take the the Q-59 from from Williamsburg to Maspeth where I go to work . It would be a long . And my stop is Witch is on page place and Grand ave. It's like a 25 to 30 minutes walk just for me to get to work. The neighborhood of Maspeth has changed sir. You have a a Home Depot and other stores witch isn't to far from the old Haebormen station sir. Of the Lower Montauk Branch sir. Also there a Amazon Wearhouse in Maspeth witch isn't to far from Grand ave and Flushing ave. Also You have The Grand ave Bus Depot witch is to far from the Lower Montauk Branch as well . The closest Buses to this station would be the Q-59 and The B-57 . But you can also walk from the B-38 witch and Q-54 at Grandview ave. The Q-54 run ok . But not The B-57 as well the Metropolitan and Starr ave Grandview ave half of B-38 is so so. And the the Q-59 is so so also. Now where getting to Fresh Pond Road st witch should also serve Metro Mall also because how close it is. Sir you have Buses Q-58 local and Limited and Q-54 witch run good. Q-38 and And Q-67 witch both don't run often. Then you'll have Metropolitan ave witch will be close to the Future Interbro Express and the M train. And then 80 Glendale witch isn't to far from Atlist Park Mall Q-29 Q-54 and Q-47 . Then the Woodhaven The Q-55 Q-53& Q-52 and Q-11 & Q-21 The Possibility of Far-Rock Beach Branch Rebuild and Next its Richmond Hill station Q-55 Q-10 Q-56 QM-18 and J/Z and then Jamaica alot of different Buses and Subway lines JMZ and the Long Island Rail Road . Sir if the MTA would've decided to rebuild this line it would make money please take a seriously second look at this project sir. This line would've take people out of there cars sir.
@MagicMike-rd8mz9 ай бұрын
Goodnight sir the Lower Montauk Branch Would basically be a link Between Long Island City Hunters Point Maspeth and Middle Village and Glendale and Woodhaven and Richmond Hill and Jamaica. Alot of there's area in Queens are very difficult to get to with own a car 🚙 yes. It's Alot Industrial 🏭 area around the LMB and thats where alot of people go to work lets just say if a person who lives in Jamaica Queens and the work in Maspeth or in West Long Island City. They would either have to travel by the E train to Queens Plaza and then wait for connecting Q-67 witch runs very unreliable. Or take the E train to 74 st Roosevelt ave and then the 7 train to 46 Street and wait for the B-24 witch run unreliable also to Review ave and Greenpoint ave or to Greenpoint ave or if they just want a Quick way into Brooklyn. They could just jump on the LMB at Jamaica and then get off at Greenpoint ave and just walk over the Bridge 🌉 to Greenpoint Brooklyn. The LMB will link up with the Interbro Express and also the Far-Rockaway Beach Branch if the would've decides to rebuild them. The LMB makes alot of connection to EJZ M and 7 and G also New YorkCity Ferry at Hunter Point ave by walk over the Stop as well as Long Island City at Jamaica and LIC. Maspeth Queens is home to the Amazon Wearhouse and FedEx Ups and Home Depot as well as a NYC Bus Depot witch very difficult to get to with driving. The Q-59 can do But so much But you have The Q-39 and the Q-54 both of the are still Bus routes witch they tend to get stuck in traffic 🚥. Now Middle Village has Alot of different types of Buses in the neighborhood some run good like Q-54 and Q58 the Q-39 that run ok But the Q-67 Not often and Q-38 not as often but much better then Q-67. Fresh Bus Pond Depot in Middle Village as well as Metropolitan Mall. Now for Glendale you have the atles park Mall and Q-54 Q-47 and Q-29 .and Now for Woodhaven station You can connect to Q-52 Q-53 S.B.S Q-21 Q-11 Q-55 and the Richmond Hill station Q-55 Q-10 Q-56 QM-18 and J and Z Train. Then Jamaica LIRR station location Connection to AirTrain and to the LIRR as JMZ and the alot of Buses sir
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One thing I hadn't thought of: QueensLink would cause two transfer points to the M train to be available to this line. The proposed location of the Woodhaven Boulevard station is immediately to the west of where the Rockaway Beach Branch once ran. The ROW for the connecting track between the Montauk Branch and Rockaway Beach Branch appears to still be intact, as it curves just south of proposed Woodhaven Boulevard station site and the Seither Stadium toward Union Turnpike without much development over it. I feel like the Montauk Branch, if reactivated, does have potential to spur growth in those parts of Queens, and assist in the development of LIC (which is booming), but the at-open ridership is really going to rely on connections to other services. IBX and QueensLink getting built I feel like would do wonders for the viability of the Lower Montauk in the short term, while I feel like the areas it serves should be looked at for future development as we combat the housing crisis.
@MTAProdigy
9 ай бұрын
Very good analysis.
Also, the train in the caption of the study is the Nippon-Sharyo DMU, which was being used for Union-Pearson Express in Toronto. The thing shares trackage w/ the Kitchener Line, so calling it light rail is an interesting choice (they're also high level because the MBTA was the original company that would have used them for our "Indigo Line" project for the commuter rail within Massachusetts Route 128, but the contract was cancelled for cost reasons)
The expected ridership numbers for each station are underwhelming.
@MagicMike-rd8mz
9 ай бұрын
Good and unfortunately There's no subway 🚉 service in most of the Areas where Lower Montauk Branch is set up to run along through . Transportation in neighborhood such as Maspeth Middle Village and Glendale and some part of Woodhaven run very limited. And there for alot people drive to get to and from work or from where they need to go. But that's bad those who don't drive. Queens has alot of industry Areas that dose have that much Transportation. For instance if you work at FedEx witch is a cross the Tracks of Lower Montauk Branch and you'll coming from Brooklyn you'll have take either the J or the L And take the B-24 witch run unreliable or go the other way and take the M to either Forest ave for Q-39 or Metropolitan ave for Q-67 and still. Work for about 20 minutes sir now that's still alot. Sir. Why not just rebuild this to service area that need more Transit. Also if your coming from the number 7 train 🚉 witch is located at Queens Blvd and 46 to get FedEx or Ups it's a very long week . Due to how the B-24 is set by the BQE and The Q-67. it might mostly Industrial 🏭 But there people who live in area and go to work in area. Sir .and over the weekends the Bus are even much slower. Ridership might be alot better if the MTA would've allow a special fare for the line. For instance it a work who live in Brooklyn like Crown Heights or By East New York or Downtown Brooklyn instead or going into Manhattan. Why can't you just take LIRR to Jamaica and switch for the Lower Montauk Branch.
Goodevening sir. If the MTA would've think about rebuilding the Lower Montauk Branch as a link Between Long Island City to Jamaica. Would've great especially for m people who live or go to work in that area including myself. I work in Maspeth. Maspeth Queens is only served by Bus like Q-39 Q-67 Q-59 and The B-24 and B-57 . It might seem like there alot of Bus service in the area. But that's not the case. The B-24 doesn't run as often . The Q-67 only run ok during the rushing hours. Off the rush hours and weekends it's a hour waiting. Witch is very unreliable and unacceptable to have bus running. The Q-39 Witch much better but you'll have to walk up to at least 8 to 10 blocks and most of them are industrial blocks also. Most people who work at Ups witch is located around 48 at street and 56 ave FedEx usually walk from the number 7 train witch is at Queens Blvd and 46 that's up to a mile away if you work in FedEx it's even longer because you'll walk down hill 48 st 53 ave also continue to walk down the hill passing Industrial 🏭 area in Maspeth and the cross over the track of the Lower Montauk Branch. Sir I know that's alot just to get to work or school sir. Just be rebuild the Lower Montauk Branch will make a big difference in people commute sir. There's a Amazon Wearhouse in Maspeth witch isn't to far from Grand ave and Rusty st witch is'nt to far away from the old h still in Maspeth where Transportation is very limited sir. You only Q-39 Q-59 Buses in that area sir a Buses can only do so much sir. Now Fresh Road Station 🚉 witch located in Between Metropolitan ave and And Fresh Pond Road and Metro Mall is by the M train station and the Future Interbro Express Station 🚉 that would great for the Lower Montauk Branch to link up to the Interbro Express right sir. Also 80St can sever Glendale sir. Now Woodhaven Blvd is next to Forest Park 🏞 then next is Richmond Hill Station 🚉 the station is still available just fix it up and last its Jamaica Station. Connecting with different trains the AirTrain and Subways JMZ sir. It would be necessary for the MTA to rebuild the Lower Montauk Branch. Asap. Just as much as IBX sir.
A fun fact is that the Lower Montauk was the primary route for passenger trains before 1910. The LIRR under PRR ownership only re-focused on the Main Line because the East River Tunnels were ultimately easier to connect to the Main Line due to the angle it approached Long Island City from, and because it would be a more convenient location for Sunnyside Yard (towards LIC, the Lower Montauk paralleled a river, which would likely have made quadruple tracking and a massive yard harder to build)
@MTAProdigy
9 ай бұрын
Very good analysis!
@pokemonred2005
9 ай бұрын
@@MTAProdigy thank you! I feel like the Lower Montauk would be great for job development in the rapidly gentrifying LIC, since LIC itself is adjacent to the East River ferries, the route itself is shorter than the main line by 3/4th of a mile, and a reactivated line, if built to mainline standards, would allow trains to LIC to be able to reach it without sharing much track with trains to Manhattan (though, if through trains begin using the line, this comes with the cost of losing the easy 7 transfer at Hunterspoint Avenue/Woodside and any QBL service at Forest Hills, so this needs to be factored in for any ridership stats)
Goodnight sir . There are a lot people who work in Long Island City Hunter Point And Maspeth and West Maspeth. That don't own a car like myself who Rely on vey unreliable Bus service in Queens like on the Q-67. Witch runs like e every 20 minutes during rush hours and of the rush off isn't every 30 minutes. And after 7 it run once a hour to 11 in direction and from Middle Village to Queens plaza the last Bus it's at 10 pm . On the t& The weekends there only two Buses one going and coming on the Q-6 Witch is unacceptable. The Q-39 is alot better and The Q-59 also. But you would have to still want or end up walking or take a cab if you was to miss it. Alot of people drive. Due to poor Bus service. Unfortunately for myself let's just say that I choose take the the Q-59 from from Williamsburg to Maspeth where I go to work . It would be a long . And my stop is Witch is on page place and Grand ave. It's like a 25 to 30 minutes walk just for me to get to work. The neighborhood of Maspeth has changed sir. You have a a Home Depot and other stores witch isn't to far from the old Haebormen station sir. Of the Lower Montauk Branch sir. Also there a Amazon Wearhouse in Maspeth witch isn't to far from Grand ave and Flushing ave. Also You have The Grand ave Bus Depot witch is to far from the Lower Montauk Branch as well . The closest Buses to this station would be the Q-59 and The B-57 . But you can also walk from the B-38 witch and Q-54 at Grandview ave. The Q-54 run ok . But not The B-57 as well the Metropolitan and Starr ave Grandview ave half of B-38 is so so. And the the Q-59 is so so also. Now where getting to Fresh Pond Road st witch should also serve Metro Mall also because how close it is. Sir you have Buses Q-58 local and Limited and Q-54 witch run good. Q-38 and And Q-67 witch both don't run often. Then you'll have Metropolitan ave witch will be close to the Future Interbro Express and the M train. And then 80 Glendale witch isn't to far from Atlist Park Mall Q-29 Q-54 and Q-47 . Then the Woodhaven The Q-55 Q-53& Q-52 and Q-11 & Q-21 The Possibility of Far-Rock Beach Branch Rebuild and Next its Richmond Hill station Q-55 Q-10 Q-56 QM-18 and J/Z and then Jamaica alot of different Buses and Subway lines JMZ and the Long Island Rail Road . Sir if the MTA would've decided to rebuild this line it would make money please take a seriously second look at this project sir. This line would've take people out of there cars sir.
Goodnight sir the Lower Montauk Branch Would basically be a link Between Long Island City Hunters Point Maspeth and Middle Village and Glendale and Woodhaven and Richmond Hill and Jamaica. Alot of there's area in Queens are very difficult to get to with own a car 🚙 yes. It's Alot Industrial 🏭 area around the LMB and thats where alot of people go to work lets just say if a person who lives in Jamaica Queens and the work in Maspeth or in West Long Island City. They would either have to travel by the E train to Queens Plaza and then wait for connecting Q-67 witch runs very unreliable. Or take the E train to 74 st Roosevelt ave and then the 7 train to 46 Street and wait for the B-24 witch run unreliable also to Review ave and Greenpoint ave or to Greenpoint ave or if they just want a Quick way into Brooklyn. They could just jump on the LMB at Jamaica and then get off at Greenpoint ave and just walk over the Bridge 🌉 to Greenpoint Brooklyn. The LMB will link up with the Interbro Express and also the Far-Rockaway Beach Branch if the would've decides to rebuild them. The LMB makes alot of connection to EJZ M and 7 and G also New YorkCity Ferry at Hunter Point ave by walk over the Stop as well as Long Island City at Jamaica and LIC. Maspeth Queens is home to the Amazon Wearhouse and FedEx Ups and Home Depot as well as a NYC Bus Depot witch very difficult to get to with driving. The Q-59 can do But so much But you have The Q-39 and the Q-54 both of the are still Bus routes witch they tend to get stuck in traffic 🚥. Now Middle Village has Alot of different types of Buses in the neighborhood some run good like Q-54 and Q58 the Q-39 that run ok But the Q-67 Not often and Q-38 not as often but much better then Q-67. Fresh Bus Pond Depot in Middle Village as well as Metropolitan Mall. Now for Glendale you have the atles park Mall and Q-54 Q-47 and Q-29 .and Now for Woodhaven station You can connect to Q-52 Q-53 S.B.S Q-21 Q-11 Q-55 and the Richmond Hill station Q-55 Q-10 Q-56 QM-18 and J and Z Train. Then Jamaica LIRR station location Connection to AirTrain and to the LIRR as JMZ and the alot of Buses sir