Love Parade: How Berlin's techno event became a phenomenon - and a disaster | History Stories

Love Parade started out in Berlin in 1989 as a political protest for peace and international understanding through love and music. The demonstration went on to become an annual event and one of Europe's largest music festivals and techno parades. For over a decade, the German capital city was brought to a sweaty standstill in the summer, until the festival eventually relocated to other German cities. In 2008, Love Parade achieved a record turnout, with 1.6 million ravers hitting the streets of the German city of Dortmund. Two years later, disaster struck in Duisburg, with a crowd crush killing 21 people. In 2017, the trial of ten defendants from the city of Duisburg and the organizer began at the Düsseldorf Higher Regional Court. By 2020, the trial ended without convictions. The founder of Love Parade, DJ Dr. Motte is attempting to create a Love Parade revival on Berlin's streets with "Rave the Planet". This episode of History Stories traces the history of Love Parade from its beginnings as a crowd of 150 walking the streets of Berlin to its tragic end in Duisburg.
Report by Christian Weibezahn.
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  • @luciosergiocatilina1
    @luciosergiocatilina12 жыл бұрын

    Sorry DW but you made a mistake: in the time from 2006 to 2010 the brand of the Love Parade had been sold to the owner of McFit, a gyms owning company. He ignored the warnings from Police and Fire Department which in the end lead to the disaster we are all aware of. Dr. Motte wasn't during that period responsible for what happened.

  • @Jukeboksi

    @Jukeboksi

    10 ай бұрын

    Pin this

  • @husman

    @husman

    5 ай бұрын

    pin this

  • @user-ce4ml8rd7b

    @user-ce4ml8rd7b

    2 ай бұрын

    True, however Dr.Motte did sell the Love Parade brand to McFit. If he had just ended the Love Parade without selling the brand to a bunch of amateurs, no disaster would have happened. His greed was larger than his honour and love for his creation.

  • @Microtecher
    @Microtecher2 жыл бұрын

    OMG what an epic period so beautifully exposed on film. So many great feelings passes by when looking at it with tears in my eyes and hair on my arms standing up… i have been there twice, in 1995 and 1996, such a painful ending this has had in the end. All together… what a movement and demonstration it was and actually still is, never forget! Love is the key, only love! Peace all! ❤️

  • @pepperumo5116

    @pepperumo5116

    2 жыл бұрын

    they did one this year, the 9th of July

  • @art_means_artificial

    @art_means_artificial

    2 жыл бұрын

    new europe! thansk for muslims and blacks in europe!!!

  • @beatemuller3690

    @beatemuller3690

    Жыл бұрын

    I was in 1998. Great memories

  • @Lavaleuchte
    @Lavaleuchte2 жыл бұрын

    3:15 Techno IS the massage, whithout the text it demonstrate you, that this is a feeling, a groove and unity.

  • @user-ce4ml8rd7b

    @user-ce4ml8rd7b

    2 ай бұрын

    Based on his ignorant explanation, he must think that classical music and instrumental jazz are awful too.

  • @bjornholmqvist3230
    @bjornholmqvist32302 жыл бұрын

    I was there 2003, and I absolutely loved it! Thanks DW, I had not seen this before. Greetings from Sweden.

  • @DWHistoryandCulture

    @DWHistoryandCulture

    2 жыл бұрын

    Tack Bjorn! :)

  • @art_means_artificial

    @art_means_artificial

    2 жыл бұрын

    ​@@DWHistoryandCulture thansk for muslims and blacks in europe!!!

  • @cookieintune

    @cookieintune

    2 жыл бұрын

    That's pretty cool 😎

  • @ingmarsjansons3665
    @ingmarsjansons36652 жыл бұрын

    We need it back! For young generations to experience Love, friendship and unity! One love ❤️

  • @echifix

    @echifix

    2 жыл бұрын

    It was last weekend, rave the planet

  • @ingmarsjansons3665

    @ingmarsjansons3665

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@echifixThanks! I'm from DK and missed it out. I will hold eye on next year. 🙂

  • @akanitn5910

    @akanitn5910

    2 жыл бұрын

    No thanks

  • @antbonilz2679

    @antbonilz2679

    2 ай бұрын

    And the stampedes 😂

  • @tdxownyou
    @tdxownyou2 жыл бұрын

    God bless Viva-TV for the live broadcast

  • @arijitdakshi820
    @arijitdakshi8202 жыл бұрын

    I attended the Love Parade 1999 "Music is the key" 🎶🎶🎶

  • @DWHistoryandCulture

    @DWHistoryandCulture

    2 жыл бұрын

    How did you like it? Are you still a techno fan today?

  • @ekso1442

    @ekso1442

    Жыл бұрын

    Me too!

  • @ekso1442

    @ekso1442

    Жыл бұрын

    @@DWHistoryandCulture Still a raver 2022 😁

  • @MCKingPT
    @MCKingPT2 жыл бұрын

    It's amazing to see what techno has become. So many styles, moods, there's a techno for everyone. But, don't forget, 3:44.

  • @onuryuksel5463

    @onuryuksel5463

    2 жыл бұрын

    They said Techno is just one thing. "...and Techno replied: 3:46 "

  • @cookieintune

    @cookieintune

    2 жыл бұрын

    That was hilarious 😂 it's still music doesn't matter , they actually becoming anti techno blows my mind

  • @captainunsinn5856
    @captainunsinn58562 жыл бұрын

    I need the Playlist! o.O

  • @devingademan
    @devingademan2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you sharing! Subscribed! Great content with footage that I had not seen before. Good luck with the channel. I am currently moving to Germany from the Netherlands. Again, thank you very much for sharing and looking forward to other interesting videos. -Devin

  • @DWHistoryandCulture

    @DWHistoryandCulture

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Devin, yes we have many more History Stories to come :) And we use lots of German archival footage- it's good chance to practice your German :)

  • @alexandercimander398
    @alexandercimander3982 жыл бұрын

    Wow Stefan Hallaschka habe ich so nicht erwartet, mega!

  • @adamfox7
    @adamfox72 жыл бұрын

    13 min of a documentary about 21 years of history. Make a new one, since You finally put your attention on Love Parade. This time, much longer.

  • @rubenkalus
    @rubenkalus2 жыл бұрын

    Great to see all this historical footage!

  • @DWHistoryandCulture

    @DWHistoryandCulture

    2 жыл бұрын

    :) Glad you like it! And we have lots more to come on the channel- Subscribe and follow for more of our History Stories

  • @art_means_artificial

    @art_means_artificial

    2 жыл бұрын

    thansk for muslims and blacks in europe!!!

  • @cookieintune
    @cookieintune2 жыл бұрын

    This is so surreal that I forgot it happen , music is life 🙏

  • @user-gc4dc5jy3n

    @user-gc4dc5jy3n

    Жыл бұрын

    I never forgot.

  • @alexisnogueras9400
    @alexisnogueras94002 жыл бұрын

    Fast forward to 2022. How big is EDM now? The number of huge festivals has been at most countries, the height that Djs and clubs are at. It's been a great ride and glad I was there from 1996. Still ❤❤ the music!!

  • @DWHistoryandCulture

    @DWHistoryandCulture

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hi Alexis, you were ahead of the trend ;) How many Love Parades did you attend- in total? Did you make it to this year's "Rave The Planet" in Berlin?

  • @alexisnogueras9400

    @alexisnogueras9400

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@DWHistoryandCulture back then it was Ultra because it was in Miami. But I remember Paul van Dyks early sets on the floats. Edm was very limited and barely in the states. Whats incredible is that some of those djs are still as popular as ever and the growth exponential!👏👏 Many new sounds and talents. It's here to stay!!

  • @SonicFictionTV
    @SonicFictionTV Жыл бұрын

    Brilliant documentary.

  • @Techno-Time-Machine
    @Techno-Time-Machine2 жыл бұрын

    3:00 Not everyone understands Techno Music

  • @johannesnaumann2318

    @johannesnaumann2318

    2 жыл бұрын

    it is like school :)

  • @TheSmiaf

    @TheSmiaf

    2 жыл бұрын

    Techno music has no words.... neither has classical 😄

  • @TheDacia1410
    @TheDacia1410Ай бұрын

    "One World One"...2000 Love Parade Berlino 💙🇮🇹💙

  • @orsonsichartvonsichartshof3892
    @orsonsichartvonsichartshof38922 жыл бұрын

    Good Job!

  • @unfinest
    @unfinest2 жыл бұрын

    The year is 1999 Say: 'The whole thing is based on respect' Play: 'Henrik B - February (Original Mix)' If you know, you know! ❤

  • @lesgibson969
    @lesgibson9692 жыл бұрын

    is this a new channel? wow nice job DW :)

  • @DWHistoryandCulture

    @DWHistoryandCulture

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hi Levent! Yes it is and we have a lot more content coming up! Subscribe and stay tuned for more History and Culture!

  • @kormikorto7706
    @kormikorto77062 жыл бұрын

    What is the name of the intro or beginning techno soundtrack and the dj who mixed it?? Anyone??

  • @jakoomd8640

    @jakoomd8640

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ask Shazam

  • @DWHistoryandCulture

    @DWHistoryandCulture

    2 жыл бұрын

    The song is called "My House" from Daniel Heath

  • @vaninapereyra
    @vaninapereyra2 жыл бұрын

    Uno de mis sueños era ir a la Love Parade. Sería bueno que reconsideren volver a realizarlo :)

  • @David-bw3rz

    @David-bw3rz

    Жыл бұрын

    8.juli 2023 Please come

  • @SaintAnthonny
    @SaintAnthonny2 жыл бұрын

    history stories----big brain right there

  • @xicoocix
    @xicoocix Жыл бұрын

    I attended the ❤parade in SF. Awesome day.

  • @erwinheinz3206
    @erwinheinz32062 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting

  • @dcv2009
    @dcv20094 ай бұрын

    what's the track that starts at 3:45?

  • @MrVintage1980
    @MrVintage19802 жыл бұрын

    tune name on 5:04 min ???

  • @antbonilz2679
    @antbonilz26792 ай бұрын

    Como se llama la primera canción?😅

  • @Truehouseable
    @Truehouseable5 ай бұрын

    i remember that track, but forget from who it was, can anyone help me out? 5:04

  • @djxplanderprogresiveandtra156
    @djxplanderprogresiveandtra1562 жыл бұрын

    woooooww amazingggg

  • @dagobertsinner9686
    @dagobertsinner96862 жыл бұрын

    was there last weekend, it was insane

  • @jannefin

    @jannefin

    2 жыл бұрын

    Me too, Rave the Planet was best thing since sliced bread. Love parade ist zuruck as Berlin!!! 🥳

  • @vhschorizo5735
    @vhschorizo57352 жыл бұрын

    The loveparade came back last weekend

  • @santosanticonagraus533
    @santosanticonagraus5332 жыл бұрын

    Amo la música electrónica

  • @InfamousDK
    @InfamousDK2 жыл бұрын

    This is RAWesome

  • @jlk7667
    @jlk76672 жыл бұрын

    But the Loveparade starts again at the last Weekend

  • @DWHistoryandCulture

    @DWHistoryandCulture

    2 жыл бұрын

    Kind of... It was a demonstration organised by Dr. Motte, but under a new name "Rave The Planet"

  • @neob8366

    @neob8366

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@DWHistoryandCulture Yeah, but there is no difference to the Loveparade. In fact if Dr. Motte could get the name back from current the right holder, it would called Loveparade again.

  • @peterenis7917
    @peterenis79172 жыл бұрын

    whats the name of the last track?

  • @maggiemoos72

    @maggiemoos72

    Жыл бұрын

    Kernkraft zombie nation

  • @ibimsnur4651
    @ibimsnur46512 жыл бұрын

    1:00 Haha, the guy who bashes the older ones is probably 50+ by now ^^

  • @DWHistoryandCulture

    @DWHistoryandCulture

    2 жыл бұрын

    hahaha yep he's 50 this year.. and a DJ now too....

  • @ibimsnur4651

    @ibimsnur4651

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@DWHistoryandCulture Life can be cruel...

  • @titsmcghee9869
    @titsmcghee98692 жыл бұрын

    Whats the tune from 10:05

  • @ManuelSanchez-ki4yc

    @ManuelSanchez-ki4yc

    Жыл бұрын

    One to Ten · Clemens Neufeld

  • @lcd284
    @lcd2842 жыл бұрын

    Too short video for such a epic happening .. longer and detailed about LP needed

  • @alex9046
    @alex90462 жыл бұрын

    1:05 pain.

  • @sebastianhubner198
    @sebastianhubner198 Жыл бұрын

    no text? no words? im a beat box rocker and you dancing to my beat

  • @Kicksyy
    @Kicksyy Жыл бұрын

    track ID around 2:40 anyoooneeee ?

  • @Beatslaughter

    @Beatslaughter

    3 ай бұрын

    Better late than never? Sunbeam - Outside World, just played at a faster tempo.

  • @guilhermeniches5617
    @guilhermeniches56172 жыл бұрын

    Anyone know track ID at 3:47?

  • @Gelenkbusfahrer

    @Gelenkbusfahrer

    2 жыл бұрын

    Michael Wells - Trance Nation

  • @guilhermeniches5617

    @guilhermeniches5617

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Gelenkbusfahrer Amazing song! Thank you. :)

  • @Leonardo.Squirtavio.Ottavo
    @Leonardo.Squirtavio.Ottavo2 жыл бұрын

    Dal 1998 al 2003 sono stati gli anni migliori, con i dj migliori e la musica migliore

  • @DWHistoryandCulture

    @DWHistoryandCulture

    2 жыл бұрын

    How many Love Parades did you go to?

  • @Leonardo.Squirtavio.Ottavo

    @Leonardo.Squirtavio.Ottavo

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@DWHistoryandCulture Dal 1997 al 2003. Però quelle del 2000 e del 2003 mi son restate nel cuore

  • @elmin82

    @elmin82

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Leonardo.Squirtavio.Ottavo meno male che non sei andato a quella del 2010

  • @WLgamers
    @WLgamers2 жыл бұрын

    This docu aged well

  • @KubaPoland
    @KubaPoland2 жыл бұрын

    3:33 I hope you understood your ignorance after many years

  • @grzegorzturala9014
    @grzegorzturala901423 күн бұрын

    I was in Berlin in 1999 and 2000, i was geste Fest of music and friendly people. It was party of my live. Love Peace and Happiness! It was no gay pride, or something like that, because there was no problem or seeing different. We all were just enjoying music, seeing no difference. I do not like ideas of Parades as it is now. be yourself, live your live. LOVEPARADE Rules! Greetings to Dr Mote, Marusha, Feithless,and many more.

  • @MrTaff22
    @MrTaff222 жыл бұрын

    anyone know the song at 12:10?

  • @maggiemoos72

    @maggiemoos72

    Жыл бұрын

    Kernkraft zombie nation

  • @MrTaff22

    @MrTaff22

    Жыл бұрын

    @@maggiemoos72 I know Kernkraft very well and that doesnt even sound like a remix of zombie nation

  • @ManuelSanchez-ki4yc

    @ManuelSanchez-ki4yc

    Жыл бұрын

    Hi, did you got the track id ?.

  • @MrTaff22

    @MrTaff22

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ManuelSanchez-ki4yc unfortunately no

  • @Fhoven
    @Fhoven2 жыл бұрын

    Steffen Halaschka mit roten Haaren. Herrlich

  • @cookieintune
    @cookieintune2 жыл бұрын

    We need love parade in 2023

  • @TMaya07
    @TMaya072 жыл бұрын

    ID track 10:05 ???

  • @ManuelSanchez-ki4yc

    @ManuelSanchez-ki4yc

    Жыл бұрын

    One to Ten · Clemens Neufeld

  • @TMaya07

    @TMaya07

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ManuelSanchez-ki4yc thank you

  • @user-pf7pl9yl8d
    @user-pf7pl9yl8d3 ай бұрын

    I WANT TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE LIKE WESTERN PEOPLE BECAUSE OF HUGE SOFT HEARTEDNESS THAT THEY ARE. THERE IS LOT MORE IN THEM. BUT SOFT HEARTEDNESS MAKES YOU FEEL TOO MUCH OF LIKENESS TOWARDS THEM WHICH MAKES US WANT TO BE VERY GOOD AND KIND TO THEM. IT IS ACTUALL TILL THERE ONLY REST IS NOT YOU. IT IS SOMETHING ELSE. YOU ALL RESEARCH HOW IT IS.

  • @user-pf7pl9yl8d

    @user-pf7pl9yl8d

    3 ай бұрын

    WE ALL NEED TO KNOW THAT WHAT IS IT THAT MAKES YOU FEEL THIS LIKENESS TOWARDS THEM. IT IS THERE SOFT HEARTEDNESS.. AND YOU ALL JUST WANT TO BE TILL THERE ONLY ACTUALLY. NOT MORE. A LITTLE CLARITY ABOUT IT.

  • @fabricioa.p
    @fabricioa.p2 жыл бұрын

    Track 12:05 pleasee

  • @ManuelSanchez-ki4yc

    @ManuelSanchez-ki4yc

    Жыл бұрын

    Hi, did you got the track Id ?.

  • @vinnie1827
    @vinnie18272 жыл бұрын

    Lucky they made Rave The Planet!

  • @xfilesxfilesxfiles
    @xfilesxfilesxfiles2 жыл бұрын

    Now 2022 „the love parade“ is „rave the planet“

  • @romatique

    @romatique

    2 жыл бұрын

    actually its called Rave The Planet, and it was last Saturday 😍😍

  • @xfilesxfilesxfiles

    @xfilesxfilesxfiles

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@romatique yeah thanks im switching it always up

  • @xfilesxfilesxfiles

    @xfilesxfilesxfiles

    2 жыл бұрын

    And I was there

  • @romatique

    @romatique

    2 жыл бұрын

    Me too, had a blast there 🎉🎉🎉🥰

  • @electrohousemusic166
    @electrohousemusic1662 жыл бұрын

    Great. See my Electrohouse playlist for more :)

  • @raverevolution3223
    @raverevolution32232 жыл бұрын

    ❤️

  • @alphaomega522
    @alphaomega5222 жыл бұрын

    which desaster?

  • @toyah8884
    @toyah88842 жыл бұрын

    4:55 die sind sowas von drauf xD

  • @marvox4520

    @marvox4520

    2 жыл бұрын

    Die lieben nur Kaugummi

  • @akkamiau
    @akkamiau2 жыл бұрын

    nostalgia... drugs used to be better .... lol

  • @slimsmcgill
    @slimsmcgill2 жыл бұрын

    Whoa, that's Alec Empire? His song with El-P and Handsome Boy Modeling School, Megaton B-Boy 2000, is awesome.

  • @DWHistoryandCulture

    @DWHistoryandCulture

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yep, well spotted!

  • @thunderking3112
    @thunderking31122 жыл бұрын

    Eine sehr bescheidene Gesellschaft. 🤔🤔

  • @djxplanderprogresiveandtra156
    @djxplanderprogresiveandtra1562 жыл бұрын

    paul van dyk 1998 dj sasha 2002

  • @krosus7806
    @krosus78062 жыл бұрын

    marquess, für die aussagen 3:15 schämst du dich heute sicher

  • @7hny854
    @7hny8542 жыл бұрын

    Oh well, good times, bye, we miss you!

  • @EmpowerMelbourneShuffle
    @EmpowerMelbourneShuffle2 жыл бұрын

    LOVE PARADE 💃🕺🏼❤️

  • @funkmachine9094
    @funkmachine90942 жыл бұрын

    marco heggen..lol

  • @Berlin360
    @Berlin3602 жыл бұрын

    Ich war1989 mit dabei gewesen. Einmal den Kurfürstendamm zum Olivaer Platz und wieder zurück zum Wittenbergplatz. Nun mit dabei mit einer extended Version in 360° Videoaufnahme - Rave The Planet 2022 - Together Again - rave it. Dr. Motte again. Friede, Freude, Eierkuchen - Loveparade Comeback. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ophkpc5yfN2ye6w.html

  • @vr120p3
    @vr120p32 жыл бұрын

    More people in the world had died in much smaller events.

  • @Miura00
    @Miura00 Жыл бұрын

    Ha weird ending. Some corporate reporting going on.

  • @webleeoz
    @webleeoz2 жыл бұрын

    2001 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @andrzejurbanski6074
    @andrzejurbanski6074 Жыл бұрын

    😘👍

  • @zlatanzakic
    @zlatanzakic9 ай бұрын

    And we (Serbia) currently have a president who banned both MTV and VIVA back in 1998, while he was the minister of information in Milosevic's government - a product of Merkel's stabilitocracy.

  • @miloseviczarko45

    @miloseviczarko45

    7 ай бұрын

    O čemu pričaš? Treći kanal je puštao Vivu do bombardovanja...

  • @allpact7104
    @allpact7104 Жыл бұрын

    Zum Glück sind alle Kritiker des Techno mittlerweile verstorben... Entweder physisch oder inhaltlich ;) "Musicians against Techno" hahahaha

  • @alexdol811
    @alexdol811 Жыл бұрын

    Too bad its history now. The best that happen to Ber lin

  • @YaGaylDunGetIt
    @YaGaylDunGetIt2 жыл бұрын

    3:30

  • @nobbstar303
    @nobbstar3032 жыл бұрын

    The Parade is dead! The love is still slive... Hail, to the pretty new one!

  • @ZLF78
    @ZLF787 ай бұрын

    That many peiple in crowds, Berlin haven't seen from time of Hitler fans 😂

  • @IcePea379
    @IcePea3792 жыл бұрын

    First

  • @whosinparisshmuel9724
    @whosinparisshmuel97242 жыл бұрын

    last

  • @hmsonic119
    @hmsonic1192 жыл бұрын

    Why were they so pissed about the cans? Its all "Pfand". people would have collected it anyway to return it to the shop to get the Pfand Money back

  • @liberisempre
    @liberisempre2 жыл бұрын

    🕉️ Liberi fino all'ultimo respiro ♾️ CORRENTE ELETTRICA Z Z Z ♾️ VIVERE PER VIVERE ♾️ SVEGLIA PECORONI 🐑 bon voyage 🕉️

  • @TheSmiaf
    @TheSmiaf2 жыл бұрын

    It wasn't called techno.... it was called house

  • @akanitn5910
    @akanitn59102 жыл бұрын

    Seems like a nightmare if you are a normal citizen just trying to live your life in your city. But people who have been to this parade as teens are now old.

  • @egyptianhibiscus9203

    @egyptianhibiscus9203

    Жыл бұрын

    Why should it be a nightmare? One weekend in year. There are enough "normal days and ways", far too many

  • @ccxlolz
    @ccxlolz2 жыл бұрын

    "mucisians against techno" you would only see something like that from a German,

  • @luis21207

    @luis21207

    2 жыл бұрын

    Very sad actually...

  • @PETRiCH0R030
    @PETRiCH0R030 Жыл бұрын

    These people wouldve never died, if the parade was still in its home, Berlin. Youve got so many possibilites here, the open era of the Tiergarten, free employers for cleaning, a perfect infrastructure... Hope the senators of Berlin, which declined to financially support the parade, feel guilty as well.

  • @Libertalia1988

    @Libertalia1988

    Жыл бұрын

    Free employers for cleaning? The cleaning up after the dirty ravers were too expensive for Berlin. Technically the waste producing ravers were responsible for the dead ravers according to your logic.

  • @PETRiCH0R030

    @PETRiCH0R030

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Libertalia1988 You couldve taken the first point, the open area of the Tiergarten but you took the one about garbage. 😂 Thats silly buddy

  • @VickyGermanPowerMusic
    @VickyGermanPowerMusic2 жыл бұрын

    My opinion: The disaster was planned.

  • @fantasyproduct1042

    @fantasyproduct1042

    2 жыл бұрын

    Strange place to hold it

  • @skypelive7
    @skypelive72 жыл бұрын

    z u g d e r l i e b e . ❤ r g

  • @romatique

    @romatique

    2 жыл бұрын

    end of August 😍😍

  • @ravevolution4352
    @ravevolution4352 Жыл бұрын