That was an awesome job by all controllers and pilots. Also thanks to those who helped create this video and radar animation looking very similar to Polish radar.

@classicalroach

2 жыл бұрын

If you take a drink every time they say “uhh” you will need to go to the bathroom pretty soon.

@maxwellwynne-shepherd7852

2 жыл бұрын

How do you get on to that radar?

@TheBmco99

2 жыл бұрын

Man ima glad I found this Chanel love this stuff

Love that end screen of all of the holds, and then showing them releasing to divert or land. Sometimes you forget there's a ton of other traffic around when the video focuses (rightly so) on the emergency.

@nicolasbilal8769

2 жыл бұрын

It was fun to watch, I love how beautiful it looks. I also loved how everything was halted fir one plane despite this being more of a Pan Pan than a matter of life and death. I feel like in most videos, ATC continues to reduce delays by letting others land. Each one has their pros and cons but I think halting everything reduces stress and let’s there be time to focus on what must be done

@philwoodward5069

2 жыл бұрын

@@nicolasbilal8769 Strikes me as a bit counterproductive, from a safety perspective, to make a couple of dozen planes eat into their fuel reserves when the emergency aircraft has asked to be kept away from other traffic while they run checklists. If you know it's going to be 15 or 20 minutes before the emergency aircraft is ready to shoot an approach I don't really know why you'd want to stop other planes landing while that's happening. All the controller has to do is tell the emergency aircraft "hey, let me know five minutes before you're done with your checklists and I'll start clearing the airspace for you".

@mkkoper

2 жыл бұрын

Well. Assuming they would follow your suggestion what would happen if other planes keep on landing and the one which is on hold needs to land immediately due to some new critical circumstances related to the failure?

@philwoodward5069

2 жыл бұрын

@@mkkoper You'd clear the emergency aircraft for an immediate approach, naturally, but it would still take time for it to reach the airport so there would be time to get other traffic out of the way. And to counter your imaginary scenario with one of my own, what if one of the planes that was diverted subsequently develops flight control problems and has to hold and run checklists before shooting an approach? Their fuel reserves will be much less than they should be because of the earlier holding and diversion, limiting their options and giving them less time to diagnose and address their problems before attempting to land. I just think your scenario is not especially likely and could, in any case, be responded to perfectly adequately should it occur, so it doesn't need to be pre-empted. Diverting flights is not only a costly pain in the arse for a lot of people, doing it unnecessarily is also not the best thing for safety.

@NicolaW72

2 жыл бұрын

@@philwoodward5069 Warsaw Chopin Airport has two, each other crossing runways. Maybe that was the reason - if the emergency aircrafts would have blocked both of them they would have had a real problem.

The ATC’s job in an emergency is like having to re-choreograph a ballet in the middle of the dance. Well done.

@NicolaW72

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed.

Flight control issues can be frightening. Glad all are OK. Ret Captain

The cleanup at the end was satisfying to watch ;-)

I've noticed that Polish controllers seem to be quite well trained.

@teasichinava

2 жыл бұрын

Their aviation school is famous, even from WWII. Polish pilots are very skilled and famous.

@EdOeuna

2 жыл бұрын

The best part is that both ATC and pilots are talking in English when reverting to Polish may have been a lot easier for them to communicate in.

All the other ones exiting the hold and landing in sequence at the end - very cool and satisfying!

Wow, that brought back some memories! Hats off to the folks who did the radar recreations. I am a retired TRACON controller, I used ARTSIIIA most of my career, however, my last three years I used STARS. Very well done!

Random fact: The word Lot means Flight in Polish

@magdalena2398

2 жыл бұрын

And sarcastically is translated as Later Or Tommorow :)

@pawem7968

2 жыл бұрын

@@magdalena2398 or Landing On Tempelhof after few hijacks in the communist period

@theonlywoody2shoes

2 жыл бұрын

Lots of trouble, Last one there, and Luggage on tarmac

@Vpmatt

2 жыл бұрын

Loads of Turks. It is well known that LOT is a very popular airline amongst Turkish people. I just made that up 🤪

@devintariel3769

2 жыл бұрын

That's a LOT of ducks are plane is flying in to. Would be a shame if it was a murder. But as long as we don't crash into an endangered embarrassment of Panada we shall be fine.

I’m really happy the B738 returned safely to Warsaw .

Really cool watching all the snake trails unwind from their holding patterns and sequence into the approach. Controller did good work.

@wloffblizz

2 жыл бұрын

Can't help but giggle at how after all that holding, the no. 1 plane to make the approach had to go around for whatever reason. I feel the controller's frustration at that -- as if she didn't have enough planes to get down as it is! :)

Nice Job Love The Effort put in to these!

Thanks for sharing the ATC communications! Great video! Glad everyone was okay! 🙂

These are always entertaining and educational, glad everyone is alright

Thank you very much for covering this up! LOT had a couple of smaller incidents during the last time.

Kudos to all for getting this aircraft safely on the ground!! Good one, Victor!! 👍👍👍

the final animation was cool !!

The LOT B738 almost lost the plot, had trim problems but fear you not, professionally they flew the plane and troubleshot, behind them decades of mankind's safety work is what they've got, then the beautifully enunciating controller gave a landing slot, they executed a landing that didn't go to pot, thus there's another nice entry in the log of a hero pilot.

That's a lot of LOTs.

@hscollier

2 жыл бұрын

LOTS and LOTS!

@pistonburner6448

2 жыл бұрын

@@hscollier This always brings to my mind Dumb and Dumber: kzread.info/dash/bejne/opWYttSjfq-7lZc.html They should just have that in their ad campaigns...just pop in the logo.

@jamescollier3

2 жыл бұрын

@@hscollier hey Collier

At the end of day, everyting was managed professonally and I am glad that everyting works out well.

That Centre control had SERIOUS game and command. Well done to her.

Wonder if they had ice! A Norwegian 738 in Finland almost bought it b/c of that

Hola!, desde Marbella, Spain!

@Rhaman68

2 жыл бұрын

Hola Rubén, Puerto Rico.

Lol, being Polish and living in the US for the last 35 years, I can recognize a Polish accent anywhere...

All you need is one plane with a small problem and it backs up the whole airport and jams up the smooth operation. It's a wonder that any control center operator lives long enough to be able to retire!!

@NicolaW72

2 жыл бұрын

:-)

At (or around) @6:25 the subtitles are a bit strange (altitude or heading 260 or 270?)

@agnieszkapiasecka4124

2 жыл бұрын

260, error in subtitles

Judged by all the videos, it seems like the trim issues are by far the hardest to be picked up by ATC :-D Always like: "..we have a trim issue" - "when you have time, what's the nature of emergency"?

@pistonburner6448

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe they were just used to Polish birds having trim issues. They wanted to know the specifics, maybe that's why they asked if they were "carrying any dangerous chemicals". There wasn't even a close shave in the end.

@thomas.leitner

2 жыл бұрын

@@pistonburner6448 :-D Well, it was a pretty standard situation compared to all the other videos. I was not surprised when ATC did not interpret "we have trim issues" as the nature of emergency, because they are probably more used to hear phrases like: "we have technical issues". (But there is also at least one video where ATC struggled to figure out a "trim runaway" issue. Which is basically the opposite issue.) ATC seems to be totally fine with the >less specific As you know, when someone declares an emergency, ATC >always Passenger planes are not allowed to transport dangerous goods at all. Which is why this question is usually answered by default. So I assume that she just asked by habit or that it could have been cargo as well for some reason. So I guess there is nothing fancy here.

@NicolaW72

2 жыл бұрын

@@thomas.leitner Yes, indeed.

@timag4325

2 жыл бұрын

@@thomas.leitner it’s doesn’t matter weather they have or don’t have dangerous goods on board , it’s just the way ICAO 4444 works, standard procedures..

@thomas.leitner

2 жыл бұрын

@@timag4325 Pistonburner: "maybe that's why they asked if they were "carrying any dangerous chemicals" Me: "ATC >always You: "standard procedures" Exactly. So I am not sure how your "dangerous goods don't matter" is supposed to fit into this equation. This is the most important information for fire and rescue services to expect/handle/survive the worst. Like any containers, facilities, trucks, bottles, ... with dangerous goods need to be declared as such, for that very reason. Which is why fire services also need the amount of fuel to deal with, wherever fuel is involved.

If the problem was with stab trim, are the pilots able to lock out the stab trim system and contribute to trim using elevator only?

I do not hear Expected Further Clearance Time provided to all the hold instructions. Is EFC time not required? What would be the comm failure procedure then?

@agnieszkapiasecka4124

2 жыл бұрын

I am not a specialist, but because it is hard to foresee how the landing of 407 would end she gave no waiting time. If there was a crash and airport was closed, all other planes would be diverted. But because all was ok, they received an ok to land.

What sorts of factors determine whether or not arrivals/departures can continue when there is an emergency aircraft inbound? Sometimes I'll see things seem to continue relatively normally, but on the other end of the spectrum we have this where the airport is closed entirely.

@kacperpawlowski1149

2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps airport slots to do with the IFPS system? Notice that there were no departures from Warsaw during the emergency, airport possibly did not have enough stands or gates to take any incoming traffic. Also the traffic could have been relatively low following the current arrivals so it's better to allow the emergency traffic to land successfully first just in case another traffic causes an accident. I used to work as an Area Controller trainee in Warsaw so each case is treated on a case by case basis.

@avirajsinghmehta1857

2 жыл бұрын

Size of airport and also type of emergency how urgent it is if they are saying mayday mayday than its highest level meaning the entire airport is closed but it's a small one like unruly passenger they usually stop depatures but rapidly clear the airport and try to delay arrivals

How u get theses audios

those traffics after holding thoo..

👍

Seems like she had time to get several planes in for landing while the emergency aircraft was headed away from the field?

@piotrkol91

2 жыл бұрын

In theory yes - but imagine that one of them has a problem and can't vacate the runway (brake fire, tire burst etc.) The Emergency aircraft is left with no available runway in that scenario.

@robertmog4336

2 жыл бұрын

@@piotrkol91 Gotcha, thanks. It seems like I have seen some ATC get planes in, but that might be in situations where the emergency aircraft is burning fuel in a hold pattern? In this case, I see your point completely. They were finishing checklists and then coming right back in. Thanks so much for your help!

What is a B738M??

@VASAviation

2 жыл бұрын

737 max

@shiftygirl6434

2 жыл бұрын

@@VASAviation thanks! Well, no wonder about the stabiliser trim issues then 😅😅

This issue reminds me of the 737 MAX and MCAS but at least it wasn't as bad as that.

lol glad it isn’t the max

@Jack3md

2 жыл бұрын

yeah the max has been flying just fine, almost 400k flights and over 800k flight hours without incident since the ungrounding

@kaamfiniti

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jack3md love to see it

@NicolaW72

2 жыл бұрын

YES!

I honestly think women are naturally better at men when it comes to air traffic control. They are better at keeping the situation calm and are better at handling high stress situations. Also as pilots , I think they have better decision making skills and really prioritize safety

@NicolaW72

2 жыл бұрын

Hopefully! :-)

Another MCAS incident?

@VASAviation

2 жыл бұрын

Negative

@JayJayAviation

2 жыл бұрын

The only plane that has MCAS is the 737 MAX

@AviationNut

2 жыл бұрын

@@JayJayAviation The military version of the 767-200 tankers, which the military named KC-46 also have MCAS since they started to build them in 2010, five years before the 737MAX was built. Actually the MCAS was developed only for the KC-46, but Boeing decided to put it in the 737MAX also after they had to move the engines forward.

@AviationNut

2 жыл бұрын

No, this is a 737-800 which has no MCAS. Only the 737MAX and the military version of the 767-200 tankers, which the military named KC-46 have the MCAS. Otherwise no other aircraft have MCAS, except the two i named on top.

@JayJayAviation

2 жыл бұрын

@@AviationNut the KC-46 has MCAS?

If only these European pilots would use "pan-pan-pan" or "mayday-mayday-mayday", right????

@larsmeijerink5471

2 жыл бұрын

They do most times. Dont forget the fact that atc in Europe is different from the US (flighlevels start lower, different callouts) also when a atc asks if they declare a emergency and pilots answer with "affirm" they are not required to say "mayday-mayday-mayday" but I believe the same thing is for the US. Somtimes things work better the way they go in stead of textbook, but thats not just in aviation, that with everything in life.

MCAS, is that you?

@ysfsim

2 жыл бұрын

No its not a max

@kaamfiniti

2 жыл бұрын

it was a 737-800 or 738. not the 737max8 or the B38M

don't suppose this was a MAX plane

@ysfsim

2 жыл бұрын

No its not

@brianmorgan4792

2 жыл бұрын

@@ysfsim yes a B738M is

@lutN

2 жыл бұрын

@@brianmorgan4792 SP-LWA is registered to a Boeing 737-800 I dont think its a 737-8 MAX

@pawem7968

2 жыл бұрын

@@brianmorgan4792 it's a regular B738, and in this case M in the label indicates medium wake turbulence category. ICAO code of max is B38M, and here it would be described as B38MM

@ysfsim

2 жыл бұрын

@@brianmorgan4792 the plane in this incident is not a max. It's a 737-800.

Arrrrrh the MAX what a piece of machinery!

@VASAviation

2 жыл бұрын

Is this a MAX?

@N1120A

2 жыл бұрын

Not a MAX

@AviationNut

2 жыл бұрын

It's a 737-800, not a MAX.