I DON'T WANT TO CUT ELIXIRS

@Thoruk6

Ай бұрын

Do you like it?

@gustavoxlm

Ай бұрын

Only thing they should do to bê better is give the option to CHOICE, at least one, status that u want to cut.

@gustavoxlm

Ай бұрын

If they do this, they dont need to make a new system, just give one option to choice what u want and 4 aleatóry. Theres some weeks that the option that u need dont appear to cut, its frustating

@ryouma6901

Ай бұрын

i just cut 25 potent ones, ive seen critical once and it was the worst shit every 4/1. the rest i didnt see anything or good anything good besides 5/4 that 5 is stagger. xdd ( also i had many more trys then just 25 causer of alot of resets prob like 35-40 in total trys.) with calculator thingy

@blacklupe1

Ай бұрын

The flow is good

So true about the feeling thing. It's negative either way. Get good option > bad outcome = feels bad Get bad option > always bad outcome = feels really bad Get good option > actually succeed = doesn't even feel good, you're glad it's over

If KR was better about not accepting shit in the games they play, the games they play would be much better.

@MaThMaTa1000

Ай бұрын

That's a very true statement. KR Devs are actually afraid of their playerbase, if they didn't accept taking up their asses so much devs would not just try to fuck everyone

The planned change (double drops, half cost) is crippled by the fact that it takes so long to do. Sure, we now get to cut twice as many elixirs for the same cost, but the time required to cut elixirs is now doubled. I NEED an option to skip all the animations. I need to be able to finish cutting an elixir in 30s, not 5 mins. I don't need the sages to tell me the flow is good or if I like it that i got -2.

@WRSTxPumbaa

Ай бұрын

there is a tos option to remove the animations and its honestly night and day. You can try and reset an elixir within 5 seconds. I cut 50 silver elixirs with it and it didn't even take me an hour to do so. If they implemented a way to skip the animations the system would overall feel way better to interact with.

The fact there are still people in KR defending this is mind boggling

@Allucards

Ай бұрын

I suffered. You Will suffer.

@floo0o0

Ай бұрын

Nothing says LOA player quite like "fuck you, I got mine" attitude.

@wheezel55

Ай бұрын

​@@floo0o0 Old people ☕

@jetsamjetsam

Ай бұрын

only 40set people will complain

@ludekwan7643

Ай бұрын

Seems like a culture difference, I don't know about Koeran, but as a Asian I would say there is always some kind of servile mindset from some people.

If they applied the elixirs to the encyclopedia on a specific way, it would be better. Like, save each effect on the highest level you cut. So even if I cut a 5 crit/ 1 dex i can save that then cut lets say a 4 dex/ 1 mp, save that. Then I can select 5 crit and 4 dex effects into the armor slot. Would be a huge nerf while still being a gold sink. If not, then at least cut animations and lets us select at minimun 1 effect for sure so I dont have to reset 50 elixirs before finding the 1 effect I need to then have the slot machine roll bad and now I'm fkd waiting for another 50 attempts to find it again.

Elixirs are by far the worst system they've ever put into the game. And that's genuinely impressive, considering all the other shit we have to deal with already.

@DCUOArsenic

Ай бұрын

it might be the worst system I've seen in any mmo. 0 pity slow rng beyond comprehension huge gold sink not fun prevents alt enjoyment creates gatekeep I could keep going...

Elixir made me quit the game and a lot of the players I used to play with before me. We took a lot from the game but this system just pissed off everyone constantly and from there the fun we had couldn't outweigh the frustration, the waste of time and gold. I sticked a bit longer but when I heard from LOAON the only modification they were willing to give us was doubling the amount of time we would spend on this system, I was just done.

And the best part is the NPCs voice lines mocking you saying "The flow looks good" on a elixir with garbage rng.

@BlazinBro786

Ай бұрын

its why i turn the dialogue audio off. it can drive you insane.

@frostfour668

Ай бұрын

Haven't had dialogue or music on since valtan kek

Yup my main issue with Elixir has always been the progression path. Reproducibility is actual garbage. Compare it to Transcendence. You get 2 Flowers? Cool, you go back to the exact same board and sometimes you have Grace/Pity which helps a little bit. If you fail an Elixir with a Set Piece, it might take 5K Gold worth of rerolls to get that Set Piece again, it might take 50K Gold worth of rerolls to get to that state again. The worst part is the animation during all of this. If you have an actual multiple Elixir/Reset cutting session, it takes longer than the time it needs to clear Gate 1-4

Elixirs are Pachinko with extra step.

vagabound is gonna be S-Tier with solo raids coming out :)

@Balyente

Ай бұрын

Damn you're right 😮

I don't comment on your vids much but this poster and you are so real about the state of elixirs. I have 6+ but gold six and dread cutting elixirs on my 1600s, first purples have such few turns that even if I do get 35 set, I'm just extremely lucky and I've probably wasted 4 hours rerolling to get master or critical. The system is definitely a gold sink but tied to such a huge DPS increase is actually so stupid. Like you said, it's essentially a slot machine and with no pity it's an easy slot to gatekeep or whatever. There needs a pity, they need to reduce trash rolls or at least let you choose 1 set or whatever you like and it needs less animations, the time spent cutting is so high it's almost not worth.

I quit the game over Elixirs, I didn't enjoy the dungeon either so it was a double whammy at 300 RL

they also take a long time, I have a ton of elixirs in the inventory but Im not in the mood to waste hours trying to get one good elixir

@Allucards

Ай бұрын

So, gatekeep on you ;)

1. Allow first option to be selected by user, not by rng. For example, if you need critical, you select critical and 4 other options are given by rngesus 2. Checkbox to skip animations Thats all that is needed. No need for pity or grand solutions, just those two small thing would make system 100x times better

the t4 reset will keep a lot of the problems we have already, like honing is cancer, gatekeep, cards, elixir, transc and much more all of the problems will still be there and keep getting worse tbh

@kappakapp

Ай бұрын

Honing might be tilting but at least it has pity, I remember running the same dungeon in wow over 50 times and never gotten the damn trinket I needed. With honing even if I'm sending artisan energy isntead of the tap, at least im making some damn progress. A good change would be to just make it like advance honing baseline on tier 4

@MaThMaTa1000

Ай бұрын

I never talked shit about honing after I saw elixirs ever again. They were like "oh you think honing is a piece of garbage? Hold my bear"

@jamzbraz

Ай бұрын

To be clear, both honning and elixirs are bad systems. We dislike them both, but elixirs should burn in hell.

@Archon331

Ай бұрын

yeah honestly Im low-key preparing to quit once T4 comes out. I will check how it goes, but just look what progressions system they added so far...elixirs and transcendence and both are garbage so I have no faith they actually improve on the engraving system. There is a little glimpse of hope it will be alright but like I said I dont have faith in them.

Elixirs made me downsize my active roster from 6 to 2.

@dariusx2589

Ай бұрын

Lol, same.

@razhyel_

Ай бұрын

same.

@najwanmohamed6686

Ай бұрын

Same

Feel our pain, suffer together.

Very much. It was fun when it started, got annoying when trying to make 40 set, and unbearable if you considered actually trying to min/max it. But the worst part is when you get an alt to 1620 and realize you have to go through all of that again.

OM All that you say is totally true about this sad system. I was waiting for a long time for a nice rework of this shamy mechanic.... and very bad surprise by discovering just a cost reduction.

elixir rng variation is insane. i went from 32 set to 40 set on one of my chars with 7 free elixirs. And on my other char I went from 35 set with purples to only 38 set with 30 legendary elixirs. So even if you are an expert at cutting elixirs, if luck isn't with you, there's nothing you can do about it :/

2:09 That's exactly the problem of why i didnt get the oportunity to do Thaemine Hard in the release (Even now i can't go). A lot of weeks and gold spent just because the option that i need is not appearing. For example, going with Asura Breaker with master and no conversion, just because that option never appeared.

My strat has been rolling epics for helm and gloves then get my 5/5's on chest, pants, shoulders.

1:40 exactly, until this system goes away Im never honing alts pass 1610, the time it takes to just click transcendence and cut elixirs is just waaay too much on top of all the dailies and weeklies we do to keep up. People who down voted that post really want the game to die.

Do them once, and counts for all ur chars, and u can just change them like u can change ur gear sets.

I dont even have 35 set yet and its sad cause i get gate kept so much

I always hate to interact with the elixirs cutting UI. I hate everything about it. Everything you click is RNG, everything you hope even when the run is good, all you need is one or two fucked up rounds to ruin everything. It's horrible

my take on this is: devs dont want ppl to go for 50 BiS elixir unless gigawhale and if you can select 1 option at the start it is likely that you get double damage options often enough to actually get good elixirs(which should be desirable in my opinion but i guess KR disagrees) the fact that so much hidden power lies within non obvious systems now devalues the amount of work ppl put in to get good with their classes, cardbooks, secondary elixir lines, bracelet, qualities etc its all too much you can look at a char that looks the same after 10 sec inspection but in reality there is a 20-30% dmg difference just by 1-3% differences adding up, i think 40 set with Boss Dmg 5, Crit/Additional 5 and both set pieces 5 should be the DEFAULT ppl get after 3-4 weeks of doing HM, not something that may happen or may not happen, also the average pug doesnt even know how much power actually lies in your elixir its just 40 set or not 40 set, you can have a 35 set better than their 40 sets and u get declined, even tho they filled only garbage lines and you have the importants on 5 with 35 set which is more dmg

Doubling elixirs = you spend double of the time cutting it / rng gambling it for hrs on ALL your characters. It's even worse now lol.

@onik649

Ай бұрын

the more you cut sooner, the sooner you don't touch any of them and cut low prio ones when u have nothing else to do or waiting in a lobby

Nerf elixirs into the ground and never make anything like it again. Huge DPS increase tied to all-or-nothing RNG with time-gates, high gold costs, and even time-wasting animations on top of all that. When it came out the clowns were like "it's the most efficient power increase for gold", as if that's a good thing that future raids are gonna be designed with DPS you can only get through cancerous RNG. It was fun steamrolling Akkan with damage and seeing Voldis runs get smoother, but now Echidna and Thaemine brought us right back. On the bright side, elixirs are a huge timesaver since I refuse to bother with it on my alts, so I'm just playing the game less. Very grateful to the devs for giving me more free time.

People click dislike on that post are really brainwashed

Yea i love this game. And Elixir sounded cool watching you people in korea doing it. But After experience it i give up. Never managed to have 40 set on main or 35 on alts. Worst thing its that new raid add new system and i still trapped in that shit system. All these new Change for Tier 4 and elixir that imo its the worst system right now go untouched.

Can they reduce the animation bs maybe make it like rocks just instant ^^ Also the currency to roll it should be silver.

mr kanima always pointed out this shit the first time it got introduced, but everyone said hes just a doomer, wcyd

Ty memo

@Allucards

Ай бұрын

Memo ty

Crazy so many people downvoted his post.

They should just change the bonus checkmark from 35 and 40 to 25 and 35. BIS will still take time but at least people have a realistic chance of getting 40 set bonus without ripping their hair out. Me today, I cut 40k of elixir and got nothing better than a 6, which means all that gold was wasted and I'm still at 39/40 set. On echidna week. Rip account.

Would anyone have really complained if they deleted elixirs in T4? or make it like set bonus where x number of tokens gives an upgrade but for elixirs, a level 8 elixir for legendary and level 7 for epic. And people who want to min max can continue manually cutting?

@Archon331

Ай бұрын

Idiots that have good elixirs would because it would made them feel less "special". I wish they would even tho I have decent 40 set, T4 would be good time to switch mains but I just cant make myself to cut another 40 set on another character id rather quit the game thats how garbage elixirs are.

Completely agree with the post-author - elixirs is the worst system in the game currently. Especially if you need them on alts (without them, alts get gatekept). Plates are MUCH better than elixirs, taking much less time to cut and you feel rewarded + there is a system to save you, in case you are very unlucky. I hate Elixirs, I just hope they will fix them someday. Dabbling mats and decreasing the cost is not a fix, it will only push games to spend even more time in cutting elixirs and get even more negative fillings.

Thats why they should have deleted elixir and trans when getting t4 gear and if you had it previously, on gear you would gain it in the ark passive system. Phasing out those systems wouldve simplified the game for new players to come back and give relief to current players while also not letting their efforts be wasted.

I slept on my chair during cutting free elixirs i got from summer event. They need to make let us select the effects in elixir we want and then we should cut it.

there needs to be a pity to help EVERYONE reach 40 set, its not a question. they simply just dont wanna add it atm, they have all the funding to update it though

let a person pick 1 of the 5 effects. Substantial improvement. It was always a garbage system, but at least let me cut elixers I know could be good... instead of burning to gold to find out an elixer doesnt even have the effects I could cut.

Every RNG system should have a pity. I don't understand why Elixirs, Stones, and Weapon Quality don't have it yet. It's even more unbelievable that they REMOVED the pity from quality. I've spent 250k + and I'm still at 88 qual on my Zerk.

i tried ~20 purple elixirs this week and got zero hands option i needed for my support. Its like 300 rolls ( 15 options per elixir). And i got zero out of 300

@kappakapp

Ай бұрын

I just got 35 on my bard, was missing the gloves too since like April. never crafted the 10 crafts per week, but i cut every single possible elixir and also reset them until i didnt get reset. Great fkn system -.-

1. Remove bad options. There's -2 for +1 and +2 for -1so just keep the latter. Same with -2 to +2 vs -1 to +2. 2. Change the unique lines to a generic "helm" or "shoulder" and then post-cutting let us swap to whatever actual effect we want (one of your classes T4 builds uses Master but the other is Critical? No worries!), as many times as we want, the same way we can with relic sets.

Halving the cost of elixirs and the mats required per tap doesn't really solve any of the problems with the systems. It just makes it feel less bad when you get the bad elixir. Over the past week with all the free elixirs we got in NA between events and the LOAON gift, I rolled around 15 Legendary and 45 Epic elixirs. I was trying to upgrade from 35 set to 40 set on my support, and over the course of ALL these elixirs, with some resets on elixirs, I only saw the glove set I needed 3 or 4 times while even using rerolls on the last stage to try and fish for it. I ended up getting a single upgrade across all these elixirs, which turned a 2/4 elixir into a different 2/4 elixir because it had a higher level of ally enhancement. I have 3 4/4s currently that are ALL from epic elixirs, and now it's just Pants and Gloves that need a specific line to be usable. I don't even think we necessarily need to cut out the bad options on elixirs, just allow us to GUARANTEE a single line on the elixir every time we roll. Although another option is to change the 7 or 8 different sets (critical, advance, etc) into a generic "set effect" option for gloves and helm, and then you can choose the set you want once you have atleast 35 on your elixirs how armor currently functions. Just getting rid of bad options doesn't strictly buff the system.

cut my 40 today on an alt...i had 35 already and i took me 40 elixirs....chest and scholders are 5/4 with zero dmg increase...VERY COOL AND FUN

Yeah , fuck elixir !!

Thoughts of the Western and EU people:

They should also do something to speed up the cutting process because it is very boring to watch the same animation and to hear the NPC saying the same line over and over.

Im at 39 set. Cut 30 today. Got 2 chances of getting a 4 4 just for the game to fuck me over with the seals. Great experience

Here on the west they gave us like 40 free epic elixirs aprox and i cut them all using every kind of tool, strat, etc. and all i got was dogshit This system has so heavy rng compared to honing a +23-25 weapon imo and we know the difference between a lucky player and a unlucky player :(

@st0rmbreaK

Ай бұрын

then the lucky players say "nah you have skill issue" like wtf

@s4gur0

Ай бұрын

@@st0rmbreaK the lucky ones will say it's a good system and there is no problem with it it's crazy 😂

@ivangho6319

Ай бұрын

i seen a 1610 destro with 40 elixir set on purples all 4-4's xdd.... and if u dont find it enough - it was only around 1 month after elixirs release. I had zero 35 set that moment doing dungeons every week xd

@pwmetalftw

Ай бұрын

@@st0rmbreaK Maybe some, but I got my 40 set on my main in 5 weeks (a support so wasn't gatekept anyway) and now after cutting almost a 100 legendary elixirs on my dps alt (using the ai or friends that have a lot of 40set chars) I just now managed to get 35 set. It's literally the most dogshit system in the game and has stopped me from honing all my other alts past 1600

I have not cut a single elixir in 4 months, but now I am pushing to 1620....o hell I need to start cutting again. I have all those free elixirs and I still don't want to do it. I would rather raid more in my limited time (hell even transcendence is kind of fun to me in comparison).

i used all my free legendaries to get 40 set and at best i got from 38 to 39, my masters on my glove was a 4/2 and it would be so much easier if i can just PICK the one i want, i had to get a 5/4 at best from either helm to pants. after hearing nothing will be changed with the current ones i had no choice but to role on my stock piled elixers. i was on the verge of quitting, same for my friend aswell and i dont blame anyone that did. My striker has been cutting purples since voldis release and only RECENTLY he got 35 set. its a complete BS system.

Took them a while. Better late than never I guess.

Elixirs are why most of my friends quit, I'm only playing 1 character because of them..

People that don't want any changes have the " i suffered, therefore everyone else has to suffer" mentality

It's just soooooo boring and takes an absurdly long time to cut a single elixir, sitting down and fishing for the things you want takes HOURS. We've already got raids to prog and reclear, we don't need hours and hours lost cutting elixirs just to get garbage nearly every time. I don't want to hone any of my alts to 1620 (mostly because I have no gold) but also because I'm dreading having to do elixirs again. Nobody buys the auction elixirs in Voldis anymore, nobody wants to use this system. It must change.

I quit because of that garbage elixir system, worst system ever. You have to give some progression for work in these games. Doing all that for nothing week after week sucks.

@Allucards

Ай бұрын

Bye bye.

@sirkimestry4524

Ай бұрын

Me too. We are free brother.

@SlN-

Ай бұрын

@@Allucardsenjoy ur dead game clown

@CTP1111

Ай бұрын

@@Allucards enjoy your dead game

It took me 3 months of cutting 10+4 elixirs to trying to cut 35 set on purple on my top alt and only got 34nodes on garbage stats. I could not get anything better than a 4,1 or 4,2 on master pieces cause they were just so rare and everytime I got them I got screwed by rng. I had to rage hone to 1620 to cut the lego elixirs to get 35 set. When I finally got it I just don't want to see the elixirs EVER again. I'm leaving it, everytime i cut elixir it's just a rage incident. Total garbo system, whoever designed it should be bagged, dragged into an ally, and beaten. I am not kidding.

and that post has 107 dislikes ICANT XD

@TheSkyNlnja

Ай бұрын

Also Smilegate should always nerf old vertical systems when they release new ones period

33% disagreeing with a complete and total rework of a 100% RNG system with no pity is right on par with what i expect out of the KR player base.

Elixir system is the reason why I give up on pushing my alts.

I got the gold, I got way enough bound mats for 2 more character to push them 1620, I'm not doing it just because I don't want to do the elixirs on them. Gold isn't the issue, the time and pain it takes to cut elixirs is ,one of the worst system I've seen in an MMO considering how important it is .

Christ, 33% of KR love eating shit. I almost quit cause I got that unlucky when it came out it took me more than 10 weeks to get 40set

Elixirs are not only a slot machine. Elixirs are a sh_t machine that is broken and rolls slow. So you not only lose gold, you have to spend A LOT of time watching the NPCs laugh in your face. So, when you are not bothered by the gold you spend, double mats only means double the time lost.

Elixir cutting was fun for main. it is not fun for alts.

Game is dead in the west already, hope they fix this for KR players at least

at first i enjoy game but then i start roll elixirs.

I've been trying to get 40 set on my reaper. It took 10 weeks and cost over a million gold. That should never be the case on an alt in an old system that isn't even main content anymore soon... I just feel bad every second of doing elixirs. It doesn't feel right to just lose gold and gaining nothing from it without any assurance that you'll be done at some point. Animations take too long, every tap is way too costly, Catalysts feel like they're just there to annoy you even more and have no value to the system and getting bad elixirs even tho you got really good RNG on the options to choose from is the worst. Not finding your set or any good effects in 10 resets also feels bad. Overall it should get a full rework and not just halved gold cost. That won't change much... I hope koreans pressure smilegate more to make actual changes to the system.

@savrage98

Ай бұрын

A pity that let's you choose an effect (like Master or Critical set pieces) every 5 elixirs you cut or something of that sort would already help immensely even if they don't change the actual RNG (which I obviously hope they do sooner rather than later)

Reason i don't push alt to 1620 just dont want to cut Elixir, this is another dogsh-t system.

There will always be simps who think any compromise is the bestest thing

i've yet to get one 5 5 but so many 5 4s.. but very limited choices due to the set being 5 2s and are too rare to find then lose to rng when i get them.....

imagine if you can at least select the effects that you want to cut and not spend 20 elixirs trying to get master.

Keep elixirs as is just make them roster wide. Cut a God tier elixir on a silver elixir for alt, good now your entire roster benefits, Instead of cutting sets of elixirs you have to max cut 3, 2 dps 1 supp

F elixirs and F this "fix" to them. It's the furthest from a fix as it could possibly be - here, spend less gold, do it twice as often and we're not going to do anything to actually help get you the elixirs you need in order to propel you to 1640. Stay in purgatory until it's finished because you're never going to get into a party with a 35 set only or worse yet no elixir set bonus.

I'm at 6 weeks without a elixir better than a 4/3 I will not cut elixir on any alts

Thats why I stopped playing this game, the community loves to suffer and struggle, when you give a construct criticism to make things better you are bombar for the masochist toxic community.

I hope Korea makes enough noise so they actually fix this system. Since the west voice doesn’t matter

They dont want everyone get the critical / master with offensive stats.. 😆

Elixir is easy. Roll the purple for helmet and gloves. Use yellow elixir for the other parts @ 4/4 - 5/4 - 5/5. Elixir is easy.

TOO LATE NOW,, AS THEY PUT TAT VIDEO UP ON THEIR OFFICAL SITE.

handsdown by all the rng stuff in the game elixir is by far the worst...

- rng based above rng (i roll 20 elixir just to see my critical helmet once and fail miserably) - fking grandma fails me everytime. - animation takes too fking long each tap and u cant skip it like hone animation, imagine ure cutting 50> elixir

I'm so happy they are complaining. It's the most trash system in the game, hope SG changes it soon.

now that KR has a problem with it, it may have a chance of getting changed now because the changes/nerf they have coming rn is absolutely dog shit. nobody WANTS to do more elixirs, the whole systems needs to be better and more easily obtainable not struggling every week just to get 35 set let alone 40. it being a considerable power gain in the game, it should not be locked behind such heavy rng.

TRUE!! I CUT 30 EPIC ELIXIR LAST NIGHT! AND I ALWAYS END UP WITH 24 ELIXIR INSTEAD OF 25~!!! ITS A VERY STUPID LOGIC ON ROLLS TAKE EXAMPLE YOU GOT LVL 4 ON YOUR FAVORITE ROLL THEN SYSTEM SUDDENLY PUT 2 NEGATIVE OPTION THAT YOU CAN CHOOSE WETHER YOU NEED TO SEAL THAT FAVORITE ELIXIR THAT YOU COMPLETE OR DECREASE THE TRANSMUTATION RATE OF THAT SAID ROLL!

I dont mind wasting gold on elixirs what i mind is the amount of hours just sitting there rolling dice for hours and hours for each class. fking bullshit

The worse thing is that it takes ages if you wanna min max with AI

Elixers suck ass as it is. Either make set it's own thing(not every set option like chaos /order) and then let you choose which one. They should also make turn 2 a seal or initial turn to just increase rng chance of usable elixers. Last session in did around 15 and they were all like 2/3 1/4 and other terrible things that were unusable. Only purples but still I am afraid to waste gold on legendary because of how often they come out bricked

What a chad not even 24 ours past they already nerf this systems. Please Memo start rant about HM g3 trans lock

Let's make it cheaper and more available, now you have twice as many chances of being disappointed! Instead of resetting 10 elixirs after a single critical helm line, why not reset 20. It's cheaper lmao

Elixir nerfs are a troll. They even call out bad nerfs on LOA. Nerfs we get now are more than worse than outcalled on LOA. My steam review stay negativ untill we get a REAL NERF. Shining elixir in da Face BOZO DEVs.

How delusional can you be and downvote this

Yea NA just gives better feedback on the game. KR players are just trolling

Gacha gaming

I quit the game because of Elixir

Elixir system is shitty as hell