Thank you so much for watching!! Please leave me a comment letting me know what you thought. I would be very grateful if you could like and subscribe too as that helps the channel enormously. Thank you again.

An informative video showing how the dust extraction system was developed. System requirements differ for each situation. I found this very informative. Thanks

@startmaking1

11 ай бұрын

Thank you again.

That looks really good, thanks. You have given me some ideas & inspiration for when I build my shed extension. I have ordered two solar powered extraction fans from Aliexpress because of people like you giving me ideas. Thanks again & all the best.....

@startmaking1

Жыл бұрын

Hi Michael. Thank you for commenting and watching. I am very keen to hear about the solar powered extractor. I was toying with a power bank and an extractor for the air cleaning. I can't wait to hear how yours goes.

My subscription to your channel continues to pay off. I enjoy watching the creativity that is inspired by very real and immediate constraints. One constraint I'd have to address is power. In my new shop, the person who built it made it for his fishing boat. It's big, about 100 sq meters, but its power is sufficient for vacuums and pression washers, but not much else. I am contemplating running a 6 gauge cable underground with perhaps 50 amp service from my house. The underground bit is under 10 meters, but the part that is in the house will probably be more like 15, and the price of the feed wire is high. I have two shop vacs plus a dust extractor from Harbor Freight which I converted into two stages. I don't think I want to put any of that outside in a shed because the walls of the shop are 8" thick cinder blocks and I'm reluctant to do permanent damage to them. I'm thinking about a cart for the main dust extractor and using the shop vacs for adhoc and spot jobs. I do have a part of my shop dedicated to metal work and that is very messy, plus you don't want to put metal shavings in your dust collector. In any case, thank you for your efforts and please keep it up!

@startmaking1

Жыл бұрын

Hi Tom. Thank you so much for such a positive comment and for sharing your ideas. I think a cart sounds like the way to go for the dust, They are easy to make and saves drilling through the wall. Its easier on my rickety shed. As for the power, I dream of running a cable the approx 50m to the shed but in all honesty thew shed is so close to falling down it seems an expensive waste of time but also a necessity if I am to be serious in this venture. I dream of building a workshop in place of the shed but my skills don't warrant it so I need to find the sweet spot where my skills match my need and also where the channel wants it if that makes sense. there are plenty of channels with big workshops. I look forward to hearing whether you push through with the power plan. Thank you again for watching,

Amazing video. Amazing upgrade for small workshops or sheds. This has been on my to do list for months now this

@startmaking1

Жыл бұрын

Hi Sohaib. Thank you for your comment. And for watching, It works so well, for space and noise. Highly recommend. Maybe source better suited fittings than mine.

@sohaibghauri1056

Жыл бұрын

@@startmaking1 Your video has now encouraged me to actually go and take on this, I been putting it off for too long and the amount of time i and money i will save from buying vacuum bags and cleaning out my shop vac. Its a no brainier. Thank you for the advice on the fittings.

@startmaking1

Жыл бұрын

@@sohaibghauri1056 Best of Luck. It will make a huge difference.

I have a dust deputy collector that tags alongside my shop vac. It works great but I like the setup you have better. Moving the noise outside is good. A good place to put an air compressor as well. Put a bit of foam insulation on the inside of your external enclosure to further reduce the noise.

@startmaking1

Жыл бұрын

Foam comes next. Just be careful to avoid my error of siliconing pipes in. One blockage and I will be mad. Thank you for watching and commenting.

Brilliant!

@startmaking1

Жыл бұрын

That's a stretch. haha. Thank you though. I have recently bought a portable dust collector as I was getting annoyed running the extension cable to this one just for small jobs. It actually isnt too bad so long as you don't expect too much from it. More surprisingly the hose from my shed to the shed box hasty blocked yet.

@themeat5053

Жыл бұрын

@@startmaking1 Well, you live and learn, right? I'm old and cheap so I'm still working with only a shop vac. Someday, and I hope soon, I'd like to have a 12'x24' (3.657600m x 7.315200m) shop with electricity, heat and running water. Then, I could handle full size sheets of material without having to break them down first. Running water is the real luxury and over the years I've thought how much easier that would have made my life. The reality is that at my age, it would not be cost effective, but it would be a lovely playground.

I am considering adding a 4 ft x 6 ft building behind my garage for air compressor and dust extraction. Well done! currently, I have a Powertech cyclone and it seems to work really well, but as usual I want to have it out of the way. The Air Compressor for sure (for noise more than anything) and dust extraction maybe. Any large pieces I try to sweep up first to avoid clogs in the hose.

@startmaking1

Жыл бұрын

Hi Eric. It seems we are in pretty similar situations. The noise reduction is amazing. If my mic didn't pick up every sound for miles around I would have recorded the entire end of video with the extraction system running. So quiet. Plus I have just added a remote on button and a pressure release valve. Agree about sweeping larger shavings, I should have added that in to be honest. thank you for watching.

I did basically the same thing only i included room enough in the small shed outside for my pancake air compressor and ran air ports to both sides of the shop...nice to have only a small amount of those noisy things...

@startmaking1

Жыл бұрын

Hi Richard. Absolutely, I don't throw the term 'Game Changing' around a lot but for me this suits the situation. Thank you for watching and for commenting.

Mounted my extractor (with cyclone) outside years ago. Means you can throw away your filter (little gets past the cyclone, and the rest is outside) giving better suction. Unfortunately my neighbour was not very keen on the noise! Solution was to mount the motor/impeller in a sealed box of sand inside. I still exhaust to the outside world. Works very well (cannot hear the extraction over the tool being used- I have to look over at the indicator to see if it is on). Coupled to my overhead hose system, multipoint auto start and powered blast gates extraction is automatic. (See my channel for details).

@startmaking1

10 ай бұрын

this worked absolutely perfectly for my needs in the small shed, with the tools that I had. It wont work in the new workshop but then we always need to adapt. It didn't block or miss a beat but I have now decided to go for something effective and forget about the noise as I am sound proofing the entire building to not affect the neighbours.

I'm based in the UK and use the CenTech system. It's great but i have learned to not bother with the rubber adapters - instead, I adapt the male connected (the part the rubber adapters fit onto) and cut / glue and stretch those (with heat) directly into / onto the tool. So each tool is ready to go. it's a bit more expensive but it means less bulk on the tool and less time.

@startmaking1

5 ай бұрын

I love this idea. Originally I would have said that might ruin the resale value of the tool. But let's be honest these tools are going to be run into the ground until they expire then replaced. Thank you

@madventure2318

5 ай бұрын

@@startmaking1 yeah I think any resale will be fine. Rare I sell anything anyway. Dust extraction is so important these days. Specially working in people’s homes. 😊

Good sensible solution, nice job. Hope you eventually manage to get some power into your shed, that'll make a huge difference. May I ask where you got your hose(s) and all the connectors from? Looks like good quality stuff. Thank you - keep up the good work!

@startmaking1

Жыл бұрын

Hi lex. Thank you so much. And thank you for watching , I can't wait for the day I get power. ,Lets hope the shed lasts that long. One day I will do a shop tour, won't take long, and show people the outside. Very old and rickety. The hoses and connectors were all off amazon. they are only ok. the hose is actually quite prices and I bought way too many connectors. I would recommend taking a little more time and getting ones that actually match the diameters of your cyclone and extractor. Save a fortune on adaptors. Thanks again.

Just tewatched this god wish mine was that simple 😂😂

@startmaking1

Жыл бұрын

Mine only is because I don't have the larger tools to connect that you do. Will need to rethink this for a larger shop

@michaelwillson6847

Жыл бұрын

@@startmaking1 I've some ideas for u I'll chat with u about based on rewatching this.

The entire system’s efficacy revolves around uninhibited air flow (maximum volume) which can be obstructed at any point in the chain of hoses and attachments. A potential point of constriction can be in the shop vac’s outflow, so be sure to allow for free airflow coming out of your vacuum shed.

@startmaking1

Жыл бұрын

Hi Michael. Thank you . I actually need to tweak a few things with the system., Though I can't hear the noise in my shed, my neighbours can so I need to insulate the box. I can sort the outflow out at that time. Thank you for watching and for the advice.

@Tensquaremetreworkshop

10 ай бұрын

@@startmaking1 Mass damping has the greatest effect. Plastic foam panels have almost no effect.

Great video, love the fact that you were able to move the vac and the cyclone outside to allow more room in the shed and less noise. Do you have any issues with static build-up on the retaining ring of the dust collector barrel? I have a very similar setup and get small shocks off the lid retaining ring after it's been used. Nothing major but I might have to connect some sort of grounding wire just to keep it safe. Afterall, it doesn't take much to ignite dry workshop dust.

@startmaking1

10 ай бұрын

Hi. It worked really well for quite a time. I didn't get static issues but in all honesty I didn't have the larger tools so that could be the reason. Far less dust than a normal shop. Grounding sounds really smart. I am no expert but better safe than sorry.

I did similar to yours but I used 40mm push fit pvc pipe as ducting around my small workshop and put T-junctions where my equipment is so I don't need a long length of pipe

@startmaking1

9 ай бұрын

That's sounds like a far better solution. I am currently struggling to make decisions for the new workshop.

@Roxann-gz3yg

9 ай бұрын

@startmaking1 don't make the mistake I made when I first installed it I originally used 90° elbows and they block so changed them to a 90° bend. This solved the problem I also made waste gates To fit them to the pipe I got push fit straight connectors and cut them in half and glued them with epoxy into the holes in the waste gates

@startmaking1

8 ай бұрын

Ah great advice thank you

Absolutely brilliant! I’ve been thinking of looking for a bigger Shop-Vac. For now, I just have my 16 gallon. I unhook and rebook it to each tool. The problem is that I feel like I’m constantly emptying it and having to change filters often. I’ve been sweeping up with a broom and dustpan to decrease the load on it! Your cyclone solution looks like it would work well for me to decrease the vac load by separating the larger pieces of debris, right?

@startmaking1

Жыл бұрын

The cyclone is excellent. Really good. Depending on your space you could just make a trolley with the shop vac under the cyclone or next to it. I have found that having the port in the wall is fine for a small space like mine but I guess it would not work for anything bigger. The noise reduction from moving it outside is superb. I have just bought a portable Makita vac for small jobs like cleaning workspace etc and it is louder than my circular saw. But very handy. Will be a video coming soon. For now, Andie I think you have completed the video catalogue, you may be the first,. Well done. And thank you.

How do you manage the start button for the vacuum cleaner? Is it necessary the big diameter pipe ? ( once you have a smaller on the beginning what difference can it make ) , and I think pipes must be easy removable in case something get stuck, so no glue parts at all only if it is absolutely necessary, I like the idea to put it out of the shop, it saves some space for another tool I will think about it for my next shop project . BRGDS.

@startmaking1

8 ай бұрын

Hi. It is really dependent on what tools you are running. as all my tools in that shed were hand, battery powered, I just needed the smaller pipe and clogging was not too big a problem. If you are running a table saw, planer or thicknesser, then I would go for the larger diameter and definitely have the capability of getting into the pipes. Easily done with blast gates or something similar.

Just a quick one the longer you have your hoses the less suction you have. The shorter the better from what I’ve seen and read and that includes the dust extractors hope it helps

@startmaking1

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. Makes sense.

@Tensquaremetreworkshop

10 ай бұрын

Especially if it is corrugated hose.

Thanks for sharing. Just one wee question. How are you switching the vac on and off?

@startmaking1

Жыл бұрын

Hi. Great question. I was turning it off at the machine at first. Kind of defeated some of the point. So now I have a remote plug. Cheap off amazon. Not recommending it for things that are premenantly plugged in due to the fire risk but as I have to run an extension cord to the shop vac I just plug the remote in first. Works amazingly. Was going to show it as an upgrade if I ever did a shed tour but not ready for that yet.

I got a bucket A piece of 40mm drainpipe 3 90 degree bends A 35mm Drill (Aldi/Lidl) Made a hole in the bucket, stuck a piece of Pipe through. Connected the Hose for the tools . Hole in the lid , short piece of Pipe through there. Attached the 2 90 degree bends on the short piece .made the open end point upwards . 3th bend on top of the lid to connect to An old normal vacuum . Works perfect . You need the Drill to make the Hose fit on the Pipe . Hose is 35mm The pipe is internal 33mm

@startmaking1

Жыл бұрын

That sounds like a very simple solution. They are so often the best. Thank you for commenting and for watching.

I also have the cyclone set up similar to you. For the connections to the various sizes connectors, I've been knocking up adaptors on my lathe. Have you seen that you can get a "anti crushing" pressure valve to put in the dust collector so if you get a blockage, it opens?

@startmaking1

11 ай бұрын

Great point about the valve. I actually bought one then promptly lost it. IT really is a must as my drum is close to collapse if I leave the suction on for longer periods.

Enjoying your videos. With no power in the workshop how is the vac powered and how do you turn it on? I like the idea of it being outside. Thank you.

@startmaking1

Жыл бұрын

Hi Malcolm. Thank you for your lovely comment and for watching. At the moment I have to run a 50m extension lead to the vac which is a real pain. At the time of the video I had no other way of switching it on or off other than the machine itself which is very cumbersome. Now I have a remote plug which has helped greatly. As the extension is not only a cumbersome solution but also because I cannot run extraction and tools of the same one, I don't run anything else off it in the shed, hence no power in the shed. I manage pretty well though with battery powered and hand tools. Learn a lot that way too.

@malminstral

Жыл бұрын

@@startmaking1 I did wonder, thank you.

Great video. Given shorter straighter pipes, reduce lost suction power, could you remove the excess pipe between cyclone and wall?

@startmaking1

Жыл бұрын

Hi Justin. Thank you for watching and commenting. Great idea. I should not have fitted the pipe until the shed box was back closer to the actual shed. Lesson learnt. Thank you again.

@teacheme

Жыл бұрын

Also perhaps shorten the hose from the Sheppach and cyclone. I use the same vacuum and they are connected next to each other with a minimum of hose. Works great for me.

@startmaking1

Жыл бұрын

@@teacheme good shout

I have the same shopvac and a cyclone but when I use a plastic barrel it collaps in under 10 seconds. Had to replace it with a metal barrel.

@startmaking1

Жыл бұрын

Hi Nilco. Thank you or your comment. Mine looked like it was risking collapse, though it had been running for a lot longer that 10 mins. Maybe the pipes that I have reduce the pressure. Anyway, a few weeks after doing the video, to be safe I installed a pressure release valve and that seems to have stopped the risk. Very Cheap too. Thankyou again,

Question please, about connectors. I've bought a scheppach shop vac. The hose on it is about 100mm wide. Looks similar to what you have. The 3 reducers that come with it fit all my power tools perfectly, but the hose collapses in on itself when its attached to my sanders and ends pulling the shop vac across the floor! So I need a regular hose. I followed the link to the hose you have but it takes me to the airtight container. I went on to Amazon and found what i think is what you have, the cen-tech one. It says its 58mm at one end and 32mm at the other. You look like you bought all the attachments in the world, but which one do i need to fix the hoses to each other? Mant thanks in advance! Love the vids. My next little project is nicking your design *being inspired by your design* for the router table.

@startmaking1

3 ай бұрын

Ah, this is a tricky one. I am no longer in the shed and have entirely forgotten which connectors I used for each stage. You seem to have the same shop vac as mine. I had the same collapsing issue as you and that is why I incorporated the cyclone. Seemed to be the fix. That said it makes the shop vac less effective for larger tools like a thicknesser and jointer as the cyclone I have has a far smaller hose. I use the cen tec hose from my cyclone to my tools. Here is the hack, I have the connectors from centec that fit all my tools, so that end is fine. The hose from the tool to the cyclone is not compatible with any of the connectors I had and I had to bodge it with glue and silicone. Im sorry that it is not a clean answer but I could not work out a perfect fix. I will be doing a dust collection set up in my new workshop but it is a few months away at least. The reason I fixed the hose to the cyclone is because I had the unique set up of dust collection outside of the shed. It may not work as well if you have everything inside and want to switch things out. I am thinking that having the sheppach or a vac similar to it just for the thicknesser and table saw and then having a proper shop vac , something more portable to run through the cyclone for my smaller sanders and such. It seems the better overall solution. But then I am no expert.

@MrRixonator

3 ай бұрын

@@startmaking1 Thanks for the response Mark, it all makes sense. It is a bit of pain with all the different tools, hoses and connectors out there. And not made easier by most of the product specs giving you vague size details or whether what you have is supposed to go inside or outside what they have. The Scheppach fits my mitre saw and doesn't collapse. But on sanders, it's ridiculous! I've decided to just jump in and ordered a hose that comes with a few tool adaptors, and hopefully the other end will fit one of the connectors that came with the Scheppach. If not, hopefully it'll be close enough to bodge. I'm close to finishing my workshop and really need to sand the new workbench I just made, but I know the whole place will be under 10mm of fine sawdust if I try to do it without dust extraction!

@startmaking1

3 ай бұрын

I feel your pain. While I am between system I am still sanding outside. though for a workbench that sent going to work. Duck tape and silicone or hot glue are your friend in this area I think.

Maybe I missed it but how are you turning the vacuum on every time?

@startmaking1

Жыл бұрын

Hi Michael. You didn't miss it. Because I have no power permanently in the shed, I have to run a 50m extension. Not a good solution for table saws etc, hence the hand and battery tools. But for the times I am either cleaning the shed or hooking up the circular saw for a lot of cuts I need the extraction. At the time of filming I didn't have any better solution than walk out and turn it on. This is why I am glad the sound is all outside. But now I have gotten a remote controlled plug so I can click a button and it turns on. Really makes it super easy. Thank you for commenting and most of all for watching.

How do you switch it on and off?

@startmaking1

Жыл бұрын

Hi Philip. Great question. Originally at the machine each time, annoying. Now I have installed a remote switch, very cheap. Works great. Didn't think it was worth updating the video so I will add it in to a shop tour of sorts to come out soonish. Thank you for watching.

Very nice solution! Don't like the music in the video; really not neccesary.

@startmaking1

Жыл бұрын

Hi Arvid. Thank you for your comment. You are absolutely right. This was a very early one and video editing was beyond my skills. The later ones are a little better.

What are you going to do if you have a blockage in the outside (where you use silicone) hose? rip the hole thing apart? been there, done that .Not very practical 😁😁👍👍

@startmaking1

Жыл бұрын

Hi Pietje. thank you for your comment. And for watching the video. You are absolutely correct. At the moment I am only using the extraction for fine dust either from my circular saw or in general cleaning. I am avoiding planing shavings. I realised my mistake the morning after and I think that the best solution is probably to cut the hose from the shed to the outside shed box in half so that I can put a fixing in the middle to help me to clear any blockages. It is an ever evolving thing and will only last up until I can run electricity to the workshop and install a table saw. On that day I will go with the same idea but way better implementation. Thank you again . Ps let me know if you have a better solution.

@JustinShaedo

Жыл бұрын

I reckon you proposed refinement, if it keeps the hose short and straight, would be enough. I use PVC drainage pipe as the smooth, straight, cheap pipe doesn't get blocked and my joins tend to be like yous, filled and siliconed. Good luck and great video.

@startmaking1

Жыл бұрын

@@JustinShaedo Hi Justin;. Great idea with the pipes. My realistic thoughts here now are if there is a blockage that I can't shift and my fix doesn't work, I will empty something like you suggest. Thankyou

the steel bins are far superior and more robust to work with replaces your cheap plastic bin

@startmaking1

Жыл бұрын

Hi Richard, Great advice. I will take a look once I upgrade from this setup. Thank you

Well thank you very much on behalf of my neighbours ! So they have to listen to my vacuum system ??? thanks but no thanks.

@startmaking1

Жыл бұрын

Hi hans. My neighbours can't hear it any more than if it was in the shed. Either way there is one wall between the neighbours and the noise whether it is in the shed with me or in the shed box. But thank you for your comment and for watching.

@AdhdwoodworkingwithB

11 ай бұрын

If anything the vac box could be insulated/soundproofed if you're worried about the noise

@gbwildlifeuk8269

11 ай бұрын

Not much noisier than the screaming of a table saw, mitre saw, router, planer thicknesser etc. You dont want dust, use hand tools, but for those youll need a lot more skill!

@grahamallen1970

9 ай бұрын

So much negativity 😮

@calaveraXIII

8 ай бұрын

Just need to isolate the box outside and that’s it, let’s be honest and make constructive comments.

I don't get it. If you're gonna vacuum everything to the outside, why bother with a two-step cyclone setup? Just dump all dust/air to your barrel/bin. You lose suction when you introduce a two-step setup.

@startmaking1

4 ай бұрын

I think the idea is more to protect your filter in the vacuum. That said, this is a good solution but by no means perfect. I have grown into a larger workshop now and so need to update the dust collection a lot.

@hobbes3

4 ай бұрын

@@startmaking1But you don't need a filter since you're blowing the exhaust+dust outside. Filters are only needed if you're recirculating the air back to your workshop.

@startmaking1

4 ай бұрын

@hobbes3 that is a cyclone. So it separates the larger particles and they land in the first bucket rather than the vacuum.