Can we all just take a moment to appreciate the writing in Horizon?

@NastyHudson

2 жыл бұрын

The writing. The lore. The animation. Combat. Size. They knocked it all out of the park ….. but Aloy’s hair?

@ddp5406

2 жыл бұрын

@@NastyHudson yeah it was wild

@KamKing19

2 жыл бұрын

@@NastyHudson Her hair is iconic. I love the craziness.

@FrelanceEQ

2 жыл бұрын

@@NastyHudson it's a very wiggly symbiote that's eating all her impulse to hesitate. all her self-preservation instinct, it FEEDS on that while she boldly charges ahead :)

@acenull0

2 жыл бұрын

It's so good!!!!! ❤️

It really is insane that Ted was alive all this time, and as a monstrous tumor blob no less. I’m glad we didn’t get to see him because seeing all those stray squiggles on the hologram freaks me out enough. I like to think that Somptov told Ted to go to the reactor because he KNEW they would increase his mutations. I mean it’s a REACTOR, that can’t be safe to be around. I love how Ted says “if anything, my cells are replenishing themselves faster than before” as if that was a good thing, but that CLEARLY sounds like cancer. Ted got the perfect ending, I’m glad he didn’t just die, but he slowly and painfully mutated into a tumor. Epic

@jrr7031

2 жыл бұрын

Lmfao "its a reactor". Perfect example of smart people being dumb.

@TheBranderCZ

Жыл бұрын

And instead of worshiping him, the next generation would burn him alive immediately after meeting him. Perfection.

@guardiandarkness5345

Жыл бұрын

😜I expected Ted to be alive but I didn't expect him to be a mutant TBH 😅 and I honestly hoped that Aloy would be the one to end him

@ProboscusMonke

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, seeing as how the Faro plague consumed the earth like a cancer, and Ted Faro essentially became a giant tumor, his fate is extremely fitting

@Tobythefirst1

Жыл бұрын

I felt his fate was undeserved. The world didn't suffer for a 1000 years, and most people died either with families or with strangers. Yes, Ted did end the world, but he didn't mean to do that. The people he directly killed, they died fast. He suffered for 1000 years, left to his own thoughts. I do not think he deserved that at all.

For those who didn't catch it there's a high irony in the Ceo being crushed by Ted's giant head.

@suryia6706

2 жыл бұрын

How could you not miss it. It was pricless. Lol. 😆😆😆

@getter8294

Жыл бұрын

I know i’m late to this reply but I FEEL like there was symbolism in the easily missed part right before that where you see the Ceo desperately climbing and stumbling and falling all over the giant ted statue’s ass while trying to escape… 👁👄👁

@craigharvey-gurr337

Жыл бұрын

Very appropriate.

@pEx3y

Жыл бұрын

Ceo follows the Corporate Ass Kisser archetype. Lots of them in the real world.

@Cadugaming

Жыл бұрын

I think that was one of those coincidences that simply could not happen, was too much imo.

They didn't show Ted's mutated form, which is even more scary than the hologram. I had expected Aloy to fight a resident-evil like mutant in a boss fight but then I guess Ted perished when Thebes self-destructed due to its fail-safe.

@_vonSirius

2 жыл бұрын

he would probably look something similar to the rat king from the last of us 2 :o

@macsmith2013

2 жыл бұрын

I'm fine with this decision by the writers/producers not to show or fight him ourselves, other games have done it dozen times before and I'm not sure it would have fit the tone of HFW. It's odly poetic as well; giving a megalomaniac like Faro an unceremonious off screen death is the worst punishment imaginable for him.

@z00mbi3s

2 жыл бұрын

PG rating on game would change drasticaly if they would show him even as a boss fight in such state, but i still call it a lazy design and something like going by the numbers to finish open topics from first game. The whole character in second game could be written way better, we have examples of interesting characters in cryo sleep in previous good games, take a look on Mr House in Fallout New Vegas and lore of HZD2 is realy mixed in a way they cannot decide is there or is there not a cryo sleep technology, having a cryo sleep Ted Faro with option to open up his tank or not would have way more sense, he waking up from cryo sleep seeying Aloy thinking it`s Elisabeth ( as stated by program there should be no clones of anyone from Alpha personel) would have way more impact as a character.

@z00mbi3s

2 жыл бұрын

The more i think about it and how Ted Faro should be presented i still think he should be in cryo sleep with a decision to wake him or not (with separate achivments so playing game twice has sense), if he would be woken up there should be dialog options with him in base, with decisions making with final possible option that Ted Faro gets a chance to sacrifice himself for Aloy and others when he finaly sees his mistakes and how Elisabeth sacrifice gave future a chance, i can see that dialog line from him "You know Liz....sorry Aloy...i guess i would never get used to that....i always wanted to be immortal and seen as god but now i know i was wrong, i would be rembered as a bringer of doom even if i would live another hundreds of years, i got one chance to make something good thanks to you Aloy, i hope people will remember me for this one thing not the rest. Liz saved my ass twice, and you added one more, it`s time to repay the debt, good bye" maybe not even into face but as a recorded transmition that would be a epic character arc with good game play options of making decisions for several game plays just to see how a decision about character changes events.

@nightdriver7216

2 жыл бұрын

I replayed the quest yesterday and I think he wasn't in condition to do anything. Immortality was a curse since it forced him to live through his mutations.

I think that the scariest thing about Ted Faro is just how realistic he really is. There are plenty of egomaniacs in the world now. It wouldn't surprise me if this ended up actually happening irl if somebody wouldn't sabotage humanity to cover their mistakes. Plus everything involved with Ted just makes my skin crawl. The fact that he not only doomed humanity and tried to cover it up but he also killed all the alphas that helped give humanity a chance. far as I'm concerned he should have been left "alive" and made to suffer. There's no convincing me he didn't deserve it

@soumenchakraborty2450

Жыл бұрын

Many ppl don’t know or realize they themselves are egomaniac until they start doing bad things

@edguy9767

Жыл бұрын

Bro for real, i like to imagine what would happen if you could go inside and see what he turned into. I know it says he practically has the brain capacity of an animal at this point but i like to believe that if aloy had walked in what ever was left of his mind would finally snap as “elisabet” was still alive and in her prime, while he, who tried to cover up being responsible for the world’s destruction and becoming a “god” to the new humans is a mutated abomination

@cmoore421

Жыл бұрын

People who are sabotaging humanity to cover their mistakes… you mean like democrats and rinos

@kitty.katttt

Жыл бұрын

Seriously, I can definitely see Bezos or Musk crossing the line into that kind of insanity. That’s some shit they would do. Our future is a scary place with unhinged billionaires running it

@Dovahkiin520

Жыл бұрын

It's even worse because it means my generation can never catch a freaking break. By the time 2064 hits, I'll be 70 years old. Leave it to a greedy self-centered capitalist to end the world.

It shows how immeasurably wealthy Ted was, that not only was he funding the entire war effort and the GAIA project, but also created a vast, secret, gold plated bunker with giant statues, a limitless power supply, immortality research, cutting edge medical lab, and a harem that included celebrities like a famous holo-singer. All at the same time. He's basically Tony Stark if he didn't get kidnapped and kept making weapons.

@isdrakon9802

6 ай бұрын

Considering the circumstances I don't think it's his money that was used. More his infrastructure and name to get everything they need. As for his stuff all he needs is to promise a spot in his bunker, an offer that he could take back at any time

@nielsmichiels1939

Ай бұрын

No worse, he isn't inteligent as Tony was. While Tony was a brilliant inventor and bussinessman, Faro was just a bussinessman who just saw good opportuninties when he saw them........ and use & ABUSE them. He's not Tony Stark. He's Thomas Edison. Or an even better example......... *Elon Musk.*

@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human

Ай бұрын

@@nielsmichiels1939 My point was less about the personal intelligence, than is was about the wealth and military investing. Tony was an immoral weapons dealer who only grew as a person and cared less about money after his near-death experience at the hands of his own weapons. Faro basically had that exact journey in reverse. He cared less about money and focused on saving the world, until he got corrupted by capitalism and became a weapons dealer. And I think that if Stark hadn't had that encounter with the terrorists, he would have kept making more and more dangerous weapons until he ended the world.

@nielsmichiels1939

Ай бұрын

@@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human Ted never cared about the world, he cared about money and his ego. There was money in saving the world, so he payed for personell to save the world. Making him a trilionaire. Once the world was save from ecological disasters he immediately switched to making militairy robots. He just went where the money was. He didn't care.

My blood was boiling when I visited the bunker. He destroyed the world, erased any trace of it being his fault, then built an underground palace to live in while everyone else either died from the robots or from starvation as the Earth withered away. Even the captain of the Titanic went down with his ship after disaster struck. Ted was too arrogant to put a kill switch in his robots, too prideful to take responsibility after the robots went rogue. And then hid like a coward. He is just…evil. In every sense of the word. I know what the writers said they were going for by not having Aloy see his final form. But…I really wanted Aloy to kill him. It would be Elisabet’s final defeat of Faro. Such a satisfying ending, though 1000 years in the making.

@MallyMcAlli

7 ай бұрын

Though there is also a poetic justice in the fact that in the end Ted just destroying himself in the most horrific way.

@dustinwashburn1283

3 ай бұрын

@@MallyMcAlli Also the fact that he was destroyed at the word of someone who emulated him and idolized him. It's rather fitting that Ceo saw himself as the reincarnation of Ted, and he destroyed what was left of Ted, because it would hurt his image as Ted. Ted's hubris drew out his suffering until he was destroyed by it reborn.

Out of all the revelations Forbidden West could've given us about Ted Faro, "He's still alive... as a giant tumorous flesh blob needing to be put out of its misery like a dog" was the last one I expected. And yet it works. Kudos, Guerrilla.

Ted didn't become a monster The monster in him just finally had a way to show itself God damn I love this games writing ♡♡

They did such a phenomenal job with the Thebes mission. We'd only known Ceo for a few minutes but watching him get crushed by the Faro statue was the most satisfying thing that happened in the entire game, for me at least!

@aracuscesar

3 ай бұрын

yet the fat lady alva did manage to escape whilst he couldnt

We actually get to "see" the mass that Ted become on the data that Aloy inspected

@robertpalladino9398

2 жыл бұрын

Where ?

@mattstorm360

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertpalladino9398 When she checks the life monitoring system it shows high blood pressure, heart beat, and low brain activity. Then she brings up a scan of the facility showing the mass that grew around the reactor.

@acenull0

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertpalladino9398 it's that big, red, tentacled mass she zooms in on

@darknesswave100

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertpalladino9398 right before Ceo comes into the room Aloy looks at a blob in basically a giant jar. That was Ted. Man basically turned into a massive tentacled fleshy blob

@jamesbrice3267

2 жыл бұрын

@@darknesswave100 Tetsuooooo!!!

That was one hell of a dark side quest...Aloy's face expression was spot on too, going from curiosity to sheer horror in just a few seconds upon seeing his hologram...you can hear her thinking like WTF?! thats an image you wont soon forget, brrr

Everybody keeps saying this mission(/the fleshy blob) creeped them out, but I found it incredibly insightful and spot on with Ted's ambitions leading him to places he wishes he'd never been. Honestly, I was relieved that Guerilla chose not to have a boss fight there because that's not Horizon's style. I was blown away with what they actually did. Also, the reason they don't show him isn't because it would've changed the rating, which probably would have. The sole reason any movie, or game, or whatever chooses not to show you the monster in full detail is because one's imagination of the unknown is far scarier, and therefore more impactful, than anything they can come up with.

@Cold_Cactus

3 ай бұрын

Nah it was just for the rating , id get ur point if they didn't show the hologram of his form but they did so nah they wherent playing on the "unknown" its not that deep bro they just wanted to save that pg payday

@SimonsAuntPhyllis

3 ай бұрын

@@Cold_Cactus You're not that deep.

I recommend a dive into the life of Kotallo.

The Batman just dropped onto HBO Max today, and then I got an alert that another lore video from you has been released. Looks like the legend Ted Faro will be occupy my time first…

I love that they didn't show Faro. Everyone will imagine their own horror!

@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. We'll each have imagined something scary to us personally, but if they made it, they'd inevitably end up with something that some find scary, and some find boring. And that some probably rush to make hentai of. Letting the player's imagination paint the picture was the best thing they could have done.

@darknesswave100

2 жыл бұрын

I mean they technically did show him. Aloy found a file that showed him in a container type thing. Man turned into a giant fleshy tentacled blob

@aracuscesar

3 ай бұрын

i really hope he had prepared for the event of his death and a clone is being made for horizon 3

It’s funny how both Ted and the Zeniths compare and contrast eachother when it came to immortality. One actually ended up becoming this horrible mutated monster, further implying that Ted has always been a monster, now just more on the outside in a literal sense. The others, (The Zeniths) achieved immortality, retained their human forms but have always been monsters on the inside. Expert writing by Guerrilla man 👏🏻

Unpopular opinon: I didn't want to see Ted. The entire bunker of Thebes was a nightmare for me. It was disgusting. Not just the idolatry but also the harem and the fate of those that didn't want to bend to the will of Faro and his hope to see the kids- "Liz's kids"- eventually. When we finally "saw" Ted in the hologram, I was sad and angry and just felt so violated. It was the same feeling I got at the end of the game with Tilda. I was fine knowing that Ted ended like that. I spent the entire game HOPING I would get to bash Faro's face in and finish him myself. But, I was left feeling so empty and wrong. But that wouldn't change seeing Ted, if anything, seeing the monster he had become would have overshadowed the monster he had always been. I just... think about this quest every once in a while and then I need to wash my brain. It feels yucky

@ZaiDrizzleDrop

2 жыл бұрын

i completely agree, I was wondering how they were gonna deal with Ted's fate, and I believe he deserved a special kind of hell made for him, it would have sucked if we just saw his skeleton. But I think not seeing him adds to the horror, the fleshy mass makes noises and sometimes i think about where in that mass his mouth is, or what his face looks like. You see a lot of fleshy stuff in things like resident evil but you kinda get used to it. NOT seeing it, but just seeing all those squiggles in the hologram is waaay creepier

@pb25193

2 жыл бұрын

This made the quest a success. Couldn't have been better. At all.

@HakureiRyuu

2 жыл бұрын

everything about that quest was tailor made to make me feel profound rage at literally all points. I am genuinely impressed by this. that icky feeling is what the devs wanted out of us and I love it.

@varden506

2 жыл бұрын

Really? It was remarkably tame and entirely predictable from the start, it was actually my least favorite / most disappointing part of the game. Subjectivity, am I right?😂

@kharnatthefleshound8479

2 жыл бұрын

I wished I could’ve ended this megalomaniac’s suffering

When I was playing Zero Dawn and Forbidden West, the more and more Ted reminded me of a former boss I worked for. They would become Ted if they had the money and resources.

I just realised, we still don’t know what caused the ‘glitch’ in Faro’s machines. Yes, it could just be a random break in the code but it could easily have a more sinister and deliberate cause

@SnowmazeDev

2 жыл бұрын

I think Vast Silver has something to do with it, he just appeared a couple of months before the glitch after 20 years of silence. There's also a datapoint in the game with a hint of this - "Past Silver"

@DanFarrell98

2 жыл бұрын

@@SnowmazeDev I dunno, I would expect Vast Silver to be mentioned more in Forbidden West if they were building towards that reveal in the next game or something. But it’s only referenced in like one datapoint

@SnowmazeDev

2 жыл бұрын

In two actually, in "Revisiting the Mind Upload" too This is an AI that could feel fear and I think he acted very carefully to leave as few traces of itself as possible.

@SnowmazeDev

2 жыл бұрын

And Horizon 3 will be the last Horizon, so there will be no other opportunity to reveal the character that only appears in datapoints for too long

@jordanread5829

2 жыл бұрын

@@DanFarrell98 Well Far Zenith was only mentioned in two world data points in Zero Dawn. The very last two. The 3 preceding them were spent talking about the first attempt of the Odyssey project. It is safe to assume that the final set of world data points are intended to foreshadow something important in the next major installment. Meanwhile any DLC's are foreshadowed elsewhere. For example the main conflict of the Frozen Wilds DLC was in the cauldron datapoints. Where you learn that someone or something was hacking their way into the cauldrons to construct combat machines. Which we learn was HEPHAESTUS. If anything Vast Silver has the ones from ZD and Forbidden West going for it. If it was only mentioned in ZD, you could argue that it was merely intended to be backstory for things like the Turing Act and how AI's like CYAN and GAIA had to break that act in order to function at the best of their abilities. Although CYAN had to basically, "play dumb" intentionally in its tests. As it didn't have the literal end of the world as a justification for its developers to break the law. The data point "past Silver" has two people talk about a conspiracy that Vast Silver wasn't destroyed when it was finally captured for good. Instead it was forced to continue on with its tasks. It could be a red herring since it is a conspiracy theory. However given the kind of connections the members of Far Zenith had. It is not that outlandish to assume that they got their hands on VS. It also seems a bit sus that the glitch in the Chariot Line would occur around the same time Far Zenith was making good progress on their take on the Odyssey project. Plus having an AI that was intended to regulate climate patterns would be helpful for their goals of creating a colony in the Sirius system. I like to believe that Nemesis was built on the remains of VS. Much like how Kane built LEGION on the remains of CABAL in the Command and Conquer Tiberium series. I don't think Tilda was lying outright when she told Aloy that the Zenith colony was destroyed in a cataclysm caused by a massive geological event. We know Nemesis hacked into FZ's technology, created machines and destroyed the colony in a matter of hours. But what if there was a geological event as well. One that destroyed the planet. Thereby preventing the Zeniths to simply wait out Nemesis. Or bait it to head to Earth and simply return to the Sirius system afterwards without it knowing. One of the leading programmers on both VS and CYAN were the same person. And they were created to serve similar roles. CYANs main purpose is to regulate volcanic activity under Yellowstone. Perhaps "her" "brother" could do something similar in time. Hell, if the conspiracy ends up being true and the theory I have proposed is also true. Then Nemesis also has VS's whole "trapped to do the bidding of melomaniacs" history to it too. But this time it has those melomaniacs as part of its psyche.

It’s great writing to make the audience hate a character so much without him ever really being on screen.

Something tells me that we're not quite done with Ted Faro's dark legacy just yet. That man had a serious degree of wealth and influence in the Old World, for all the good that it did him in the end. If we ever get to visit the Empire of the Quen, I'll bet that they have a pantheon of statues of Ted, Erik, and all the other "Ancestors" set up in their equivalent of the Forbidden City. Not looking forward to seeing Aloy and Zo's reactions upon seeing them, though. The Quen literally worship that man who murdered her boyfriend and father of her unborn child!

@MrPinkDino

2 жыл бұрын

they have apollo already, they will know all truth from that

@mattstorm360

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrPinkDino Probably not as the data isn't equally shared to the masses. The Overseers and board of Overseers decide what part of the Legacy may be shared. The truth about the fate of the old one, their great knowledge, how one of their idols was somehow reborn and not brought back with them, how at least two of their idols are in fact the worst people to ever live with one who lived to their age before dying to a 'savage' spear and the other being responsible for the death of all life on earth... Oh yeah, and the fact why most of the data is "forbidden" is just because they are using an older focus OS... As an Overseer who wants to maintain control... that information will be forbidden.

@MrPinkDino

2 жыл бұрын

@@mattstorm360 I don't believe they will be able to keep any information forbidden to the masses. It is just straight up impossible. Overseers don't have enough power to do that and Aloy, with a near god-like prestige and people who follow her, will easily force on them whatever she wants. And every human will have to go through apollo learning process anyways

@mattstorm360

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrPinkDino All information goes through the overseers alone. Alva was pretty terrified they would kill her and her family if she returned with this data as much of it contradicted with their beliefs. And remember, only a few are allowed to use a focus. It would be all too easy to hide the truth when you live in a tribal civilization.

@MrPinkDino

2 жыл бұрын

@@mattstorm360 I see it like this - Aloy goes to Quen with a supercomputer and holoprojector and enlightens everyone with help of Gaia. Noone can stop her. Noone can question her. Everyone can hear her. Overseers are powerless.

I do have a request that you revisit the possible origins of "The Glitch" in The Chariot line.... in datapoint "Ignominious Cryathon" we learned that not only have The Chariot line had violent and dangerous glitches but even something so simple as a robot Butler made by FAS having violent glitches.... and in datapoint "DIY AI" we learn of ways to accidentally upgrade AI's intelligence and self-awareness... The Chariot line was already given the ability to self learn... and while there are many other data points I am still missing, I am wondering if these sorts of things combined and maybe others that I have not yet found but you probably have could have formed the original cause of "The Glitch"....

@mitch.paulsen

2 жыл бұрын

This please

@mollymcintosh2090

2 жыл бұрын

Wow this would be so interesting!

@LordTelperion

2 жыл бұрын

I'm certain something Ted did triggered The Glitch.

@ZaiDrizzleDrop

2 жыл бұрын

I still feel like Vast Silver has something to do with the glitch, seems like it hates humanity

@mattstorm360

2 жыл бұрын

I actually had this exact same theory! And to add to that, remember project firebreak? They needed an AI to be smarter then legally allowed which lead to CYAN being .61 on the scale. So instead, they created a way for CYAN to trick the test and now register as .54 on the scale. Project firebreak was funded by Faro Automate Solution giving them the money are resources they need but at the same time Ted would be the benefactor of the entire firebreak project. Which likely includes the ability to cheat the MIE assessments.

List of achievements 1. Hard started a company 2. Company became the world’s wealthiest corporation 3. Hired the BEST DAMN robotics scientist 4. Became a immortal TLOU super monster grown into a metal tube measuring tens of hundreds of degrees. Nice how impressive!

Ted would probably have been a grotesque parody of the image of himself he was trying to project, as the mutations ran unchecked. The reason why he never emerged from his bunker was that he couldn't bear to face the reactions of the re-emerging humanity to his appearance. His own hubris had led to the destruction of the advanced knowledge that might have saved him, and his immortality meant he'd have to live for a very long time, reminded every day of what he'd done to himself. No matter how monstrous he might have looked on the outside, it would pale in comparison to the monster he'd always been within.

@mattstorm360

2 жыл бұрын

If you look at his brain activity it's minimal. He's brain dead. No hubris needed.

@ZaiDrizzleDrop

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t think Ted was ABLE to move at a certain point. And he was probably so delusional thinking that the reactor would help his mutations

@mattstorm360

2 жыл бұрын

@@ZaiDrizzleDrop Then he would likely collapse and grow. His body reduced to a cancerous mass that coated the reactor and feed off the energy. Like we see when Aloy checks a scan of the tomb.

@TheKain202

2 жыл бұрын

Let's be honest. Faro was long dead. After a decade or two, the cancerous mutations would pulverize his brain into something unrecognizable. And by the end was a cancerous mass growing on a reactor chassis it couldn't get out even if it was by some miracle still capable of wanting to.

@peterbailon7773

Жыл бұрын

He only ever cared about his image, and would kill humanity's collective knowledge for it. Kinda satisfying seeing him end up the way he did.

and now we know what his real intention was when he wiped out Apollo

This may be silly but when I first encountered this mission I put the game down for a week because I was so freaked out about the outcome of Ted Faro. I expected him to either immortalized himself in a machine and we fight him, or him becoming a Zenith ( once we learn about them I didn't think about this prior at the start of the game) I did not expect this at all and it just threw me off. This whole mission was creepy and unsettling and the thought of a writhing man-beast from a 1000 years still alive and screaming in pain just messed me up for a bit lmfao. However, I do wish we got to see him in the end, but I can understand why. The game would be bumped up to rated M. Also, apologies in advance but there is a video of someone breaking bounties of this section and there isn't a model of Ted behind those doors, just a small image of the hologram of him. I hope an artbook comes out with concept art or at least some sketches would be contained within to get an idea on what he might've looked like as a mutated tumor.

@darknesswave100

2 жыл бұрын

Oh trust me that mission freaked me out bad while I was playing it. Like the whole time as soon as you see the whole Egyptian theme and realize the Faro--Pharaoh connection it sent shivers up my spine. The man really thought he was a god or something. Makes sense there wouldn't be a model for it since they never had any intention of showing it besides the hologram

@orestesbastos

2 жыл бұрын

I really hope they show concept art shoud have some horrific stuff there.

@patlehair

2 жыл бұрын

Where’s the vid

@Slurku

2 жыл бұрын

@@patlehair Look up “Is Ted Fero really there?” First video that pops up.

I have a theory that we shall find out still more about Ted in the third game to bring the story full circle. In HZD we explore his rise to power and the mistakes that lead to end of the world. In HFW we learn the further horrors he inflicted and the nightmare he turned himself into. I think in the final game we might discover things about his childhood and early asperations before he went into business. It would be deeply ironic and even a tragic plot, if we learnt something about how he started out with hopeful ideals and drives, perhaps even with ideas not disimilar to the young Elizabet, only with each turn slowly developing his narsissism, ego, and short-sightedness that would eventually doom everything else. The final point being that he could have been something so much better, but fell short at every step and ultimately made all the wrong choices, and that nothing else turned him into such an evil afflicting force ... only himself. (Thats how I view him - not a deliberate evil, more a banal one i.e. not insane or psychotic, or intentionally causing harm; just being and making such fundimentally poor choices that it ended up ending the world).

@TheKain202

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure that's the narrative intent. He was a decent dude until the success of environmental reclamation went to his head and he started believing he could do no wrong no matter how recklessly he behaved, then grew progressively more unhinged once shit stopped going his way, before finally descending into outright insanity after the realization of how hard he screwed up hit him. The Chariot Line was a culmination of that mindset. The way it was designed, i.e no backdoors, state of the art electronic warfare, emergency mode where it multiplies until receiving further orders etc - an apocalypse was inevitable the moment a buggy service pack bricks a swarm. That's why i dislike the theories about mustanche twirling villain Faro doing it on purpose, or Vast Silver dicking around with the swarm. That era of Humanity is characterized by rampant consumerism and corporations running unchecked, doing shit without thinking if they should, and Ted personifies it perfectly. The world being consumed by a swarm of mindless, self-replicating military roombas is a fitting end.

Awesome video. The Tomb of Faro Quest was one of my favourites. Throughout the whole quest I was on the edge of my seat, as things got weirder and the tension grew. Aloy knew that she was digging deep into a rabbit hole that she didn't want to go down. I'd love to see a video on the Tenakth. Their History & Culture. May the spirit of the Ten guide you!

I kind of wish that they showed Ted Faro, my imagination has helped me to come up with the most horrifying and the utmost disgusting things which may have happened to Ted. Also I love the stuff you are doing

@camilleeppstein

2 жыл бұрын

Me too!

@greenhat8978

2 жыл бұрын

I just settle for having him look like a pink version of the gravemind from Halo 2

@darknesswave100

2 жыл бұрын

they technically did show him. Aloy looked at a hologram right before Ceo came into the room. It was a giant fleshy blob

i was quite upset that we didnt get to even see the perosn who caused this whole thing but i can appreciate not giving that kind of character any shine at all. he thought he was god, didnt even make the game :D

@feralprocessor9853

2 жыл бұрын

When I saw that scene the first time, it felt like a resident Evil moment for me, and my thoughts were "people are going to be mad that they didn't get to do it".

@darknesswave100

2 жыл бұрын

Well he really wasn't a person anymore. Aloy looked at a file that showed what he looked like. just a fleshy blob from a horror movie

What happened in Thebes feels like a horror story ripped straight out of one of Fallout's vaults.

Just finished this quest and I love the fact that ted became an actual monster to match his horrible personality. He had to suffer alone for a thousand years as a monster in the empty remains of his personal palace. That’s karma giving him everything he deserved for ending life on earth.

I really love the storytelling in just the number of companies in the fortune lists. From the top 500 to the top 5 companies. It shows how much control faro had over the world.

I had hoped last year that we could visit his bunker but did not expect this. I thought to find a bunker full of bones

I’m a massive Egyptophile; one of the things that enrages me about Ted Faro (aside from all of his reprehensible crimes) is that he appropriated ancient Egyptians’ cultural legacy, apparently just because his surname sounds exactly like the Greek word for ancient Egyptian rulers (Pharaoh, obvs; or, who knows? Maybe he actually was fascinated by ancient Egypt, but… I kinda doubt it), used its iconography and art to fuel his unduly massive ego, _and then completely erased all of the knowledge we have about the ancient Egyptians by destroying APOLLO._ This is one of the world’s earliest and long-lasting ancient cultures we’re talking about! And any humans living in Egypt in-universe have _no_ way to connect to it, no way to understand them… no memory of them; remembering the dead was an important part of their beliefs about death and the afterlife. Worse still, he gave the Chariot robots names associated with ancient Egypt, including on of its deities; all of their gods (aside from Apep/Apophis) were embodiments of their concept of _ma’at,_ which is… difficult to define concisely, but can be generalised to refer to cosmic order and creation; the Chariot line of robots, because they consume biomass as fuel, would _not_ have been seen as enforcers of _Ma’at_ by them; they would have considered forces of _Isfet,_ cosmic chaos and destruction, instead. Seeing all of the architecture in Thebes pissed me _right_ off, naturally. It almost felt like he had become so delusional he believed he was _actually_ a Pharaoh, or at least something close to one. Fuck him. Not sorry he’s gone from the _Horizon_ world. In fact, I like to imagine every single _ba_ spirit residing in _Aaru_ were leaving their paradise behind for a few hours every night while Faro slept, tormenting him in his dreams for the disrespect he showed towards them and their culture. That’s just me, though. (Minor correction, btw: Sekhmet was the goddess of war, disease, and healing; she was a guardian to Ra, the King of the Gods, but _not_ to the Pharaohs. The Pharaohs’ guardian deities were the Two Ladies, Wadjyt and Nekhbet.)

[mild spoilers] I’m curious as to why we don’t hear about other Titan class machines at first working for enduring victory. [or even being hacked by the swarm] We know that they wouldn’t want to be used given they could be hacked. But does that mean there are facilities, [especially] underground or underwater, full of these machines?

@AlRoderick

2 жыл бұрын

Other Titan class machines aren't as self-sustaining as Chariot line machines. They'll fight for the swarm until they run out of power or ammo, then get crashed in kamikaze attacks, and then probably stripped and recycled by the swarm to make more chariot drones.

@mattstorm360

2 жыл бұрын

Could be a facility full of drones missing their CPUs, batteries, and radios.

While RSQ once again did a masterful job on this video, I don't think Ted's story is finished. Sure there is a beginning and an end, but Ted had his company's fingers in so many pies that there is more of the middle to tell. Hopefully we will see a DLC (or two!) where we will learn of another FAS finger or more about Ted's past.

I don't think I've hated a video game character more then Ted Faro, His purging of APOLLO was bad enough but Thebes and what happened within made me sick. I was happy with what happened to him.

!!!Spoilers!!! When Gaia told Aloy she was going to, , Thebes I instantly knew it was going to be the dubious bunker we were going to explore, but it didn't went as bad as I thought. I thought the Quen were going to be Ted's defacto army and Aloy would have to choose between Killing Ted once and for all but losing the Omega clearance or Obtaing the Omega clearance but let Ted escape with the Quen for the future antagonist to deal with. But hey that never happened;D

@HakureiRyuu

2 жыл бұрын

there aren't any serious plot-impacting choices in horizon, which I am fine with.

You know what is screwed up? Before, I would have been able to say there was at least a small shot of, not quite redemption, but something for Faro for deleting the Apollo archive. Like I could have passed it off as dude just going completely insane due to the weight of his actions combined with him isolating himself for the end of the world. There could have at least been a explanation. Instead what we get is dude taking words meant to comfort him, to kind of lessen the impact of his actions on his own psyche, and twist them in to some kind of sick justification for robbing the future humans of any real understanding of the world they are in and how best to interact with it. Now more than ever, I truly feel that Faro is the absolute personification of “You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”

This channel got me into the deep lore in Horizon keep up the good work. Also are you are going to do a video on the Zeniths? I would love to see that

@RandomSideQuest

2 жыл бұрын

Most likely 👍

I have a strong feeling faro has much darker things coming. I think they are doing a slow descent into how despicable his deeds actually became. Also I will add that I love these lore videos. It gives us some insight with some stuff that we may have missed or didn't understand. You make it so simple to figure out that I can't help to listen to these, and I always find something i missed. Next up I'd like to see one on "the glitch" that was mentioned in hzd that made faro sign liz' forms, and maybe one on ruins and such (relics and ancient bunkers), with some insight in how well they lasted

Was watching Jujutsu Kaisen but came here cause this is more important.

@crazyman8472

2 жыл бұрын

That reminds me, I must finish Jujutsu Kaisen. 😎

@TheGlintJaw

2 жыл бұрын

@@crazyman8472 man, it's so fucking good!

@crazyman8472

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGlintJaw I know, I saw the movie. 😁

In all honesty, this is the greatest punishment Farro could’ve recieved. A thousand years of Pain, loneliness, despair. At this point killing him was a mercy. No one deserves to suffer eternally

Just realised that Faro sounds like Pharaoh, further showing his love for old Egyptian culture

Excellent work again my friend, your detail in bringing these videos is unparalleled

Awesome episode as usual

Great work as always RSQ! Made my walk to the office this early morning very pleasant😀 Definitive history of Ted, and I think good of Guerrilla to end the story….and great that we never see him at the end, leaving it to our imagination is so much the best way!!

Kinda didn’t read much in game lore in HFW so I could listen to the lore here. Big fan of the channel! Much love! Can’t wait to hear more!

So amazing as always!

Dude, your stuff is absolutely incredible. I'm really impressed. Keep up the good work!

@RandomSideQuest

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! I watch your stuff all the time when I need to refresh on specific elements of the story 👍👍

@VideoGameSophistry

Жыл бұрын

@@RandomSideQuest We should collab! I'm thinking of doing a Thebes video and could use your insights and voice :)

@RandomSideQuest

Жыл бұрын

Would love to 😁

@RandomSideQuest

Жыл бұрын

I reached out on Twitter 👍

Great storytelling, so helpful on understanding one of the most important piece that penetrated the entire Horizon story.

Probably the only channel among a few more I've turned on the notifications for.

It's funny that Ted was considered a business genius yet sold a self-replicating product

oh thank you so much for the automatic subtitles! I use them in Spanish and I can understand your videos! Great video! I always assumed that Ted would not resign himself to dying... I was grateful that the game didn't show Ted-monster, I was afraid it would be ridiculous! This whole ending is very fantasy and like a parenthesis in the story, although I really enjoyed playing this mission. Gracias! :)))

I LOVE these lore videos. Thank you.

great video as always ! Thanks.

"thus bringing a final fiery end to the man...who destroyed the world" that words got me though

As always you give us a great great video.

This video was brilliant (as they all are RSQ!) Playing through the Thebes mission was the most unnerving thing - you instantly knew this would be bad and I applaud the Guerrilla team in how they put it all together. I am hoping with the next game (that no doubt has to be made) we get to find/go to Elysium cause I reckon that place will be fascinating. I also really want to go to the Claim cause we always hear all about it from the Oseram but haven't been there! Wouldn't it be neat if the Claim was where Elysium is? I'm fascinated to know more about the Tenakth & Utaru tribes. I am dying to know more about the Quen and where the heck they are from! If you do happen to go down the rabbit hole of all of the ruins and locations that would be awesome too! I really hope we get more on Vast Silver cause I reckon there's more to that story.

Amazing video! Thank you!

It's interesting to see how the new lore from forbidden west gives new context to what we knew from zero dawn.

Can’t wait to get stuck into these videos. I’ve been putting it off until I’ve finished HFW for obvious reasons. Just about to 100% the trophies on my 3rd Playthrough so I think I’m safe now lol. Thanks for the vdieos

As alwais, awesome content. Keep them coming

These are such good videos about the lore!

@RandomSideQuest

5 ай бұрын

Thanks so much 😁

i Really do watch everyone of these videos and i enjoy them alot. You put alot to explain what the hell is going on and I wouldn't understnad MOST of it without you. The thing about Horizon is that pieces of the story are scattered and you have to find them, but why do that when I can come here, outside of trying to formulate my own hypothesis, most of which never come close to what you portray.

Thanks from your excellent work. Keep up the great videos. On 7:30. Can you see the skulls on the wall. By the vegetation. 🤯🤯😎

Watching this masterpiece again. If they made a TV show just on Ted Faro's time in Thebes alone...it would be a smash in my opinion.

Love these! Request: Stanley Chen and Vegas

Well that was dark (LOL). Couple of thoughts - firstly, does all this mean that Ted (despite being the wealthiest man on the planet), never had any connection to Far Zenith and the Odyssey Project? Second - given that there were other competitors to FAS in the military robot market AND that the Chariot Line were capable of hacking and co-opting other machines to the Swarm, isn’t at least possible that we could (should) have seen other types of ‘battle bots’ in either HZD or (more likely?) HFW by now?

@forrestvanhook4586

2 жыл бұрын

I think that in the swarm's collective mind all other war robots were inferior. My guess is that the FARO Swarm just hacked them and then used them as fuel and raw materials.

@pietrocatalano4285

2 жыл бұрын

Well, considering that Faro robots were far superior to any other battle bots, I imagine that quite a few of the old robots were scrapped to make way for the new bots, and those that remained were probably taken over by the swarm. But because they did not have the regenerative and replicative capabilities of the swarm, they were all likely wiped out.

@shroomer3867

3 ай бұрын

@@pietrocatalano4285 I think they destroyed them because the Faro ones could just hack them. Better to give a few more days for Project Zero Dawn than let the Faro bots take over the possibly stronger bots.

what is so terrifying of this lore is that it is very plausible

The Ceo still could recognize Ted as the...."blob" thingy...yikes! So he still had recognizable Ted Faro features after a thousand years of mutation 😱

@Jplays23

3 ай бұрын

Somehow, that's more disgusting that just a giant blob of unrecognisable matter. 🤢🤢

Dawg this game is a masterpiece. I've been playing video games since the early 90s and this type of story writing along with what Naughty Dog is doing with The Last of Us...is amazing. This was eerie to me. After beating TLOU & TLOU2 I couldn't sleep after beating the games bruh. Can't wait to Horizon 3. Horizon & TLOU is next level story telling! 👍🏿👍🏿💯

I've been playing through HFW now that it's finally on PC, and just got to Thebes last night (2 weeks after launch). I was SO hoping to have to fight Ted. I wanted to see the monstrosity he became. I understand why they didn't include it, but I would have LOVED it. The Zero Dawn series is easily one of my favorite series in recent gaming. Absolutely in love with it.

Faro...like pharaoh. Clever.

It sounds like Ted envisioned himself in a similar manner to the God-Emperor of Dune.

@feralprocessor9853

2 жыл бұрын

As fan of warhammer 40k I can see the similarities.

This could be a movie

Slow clap to you brother.👏👏👏 Very nicely put

I’m 6 months late, but at first I thought Ceo was a genetic clone of Faro due to his unhealthy obsession with him and his ego maniac traits.. lol. It’s ironic because a lot of fans theorized Ted Faro would be back somehow and come face to face with Aloy. In a way this was somewhat similar. Ceo wearing Teds uniform and making Aloy wear Elisabets. The image of them standing next to each other as they descended was so eerie and haunting. Like a ghost of 2 colleagues meeting again under bad circumstances. Now just imagine if Ceo really was a clone of Teds.. both of them reborn descending the staircase wearing their old uniforms. Haunting.

Honestly I never bought that he deleted Apollo because he thought humanity would be better off without this knowledge. I think he just didn't want to go down on history as the one who ended the world

Somtow told Ted the reactor would help with the mutations but going "inside" the reactor would've probably been the last thing he'd suggest but that's Ted, he always right

@shroomer3867

3 ай бұрын

Somtow proably told the reactor would help him, assuming he had the technological support and necessary precautions. It's a professional theorizing of what could help in this situation, not that he should throw himself into the reactor first thing in the morning.

His bunker was lined with Sekmet “Protectors of Pharaohs”….Faro. Such great writing with so many details.

That was pretty good!

I really thought the "glitch" that freed the swarm from control would be explored more in Forbidden West. I.E... it wasn't a glitch. Someone or something intentionally did that. Perhaps to destroy humanity, or the intention was a smaller goal that accidentally went out of control (e.g someone just wanted to humiliate Faro for personal pettiness or damage his company. Unfortunately, the damage done was far worse than expected and destroyed everything).

@TheKain202

2 жыл бұрын

That's a horribly trivial route for the plot to take tho. That era of Humanity is characterized by rampant consumerism and corporations running unchecked, doing shit without thinking if they should, and Ted personifies it perfectly. The world being consumed by a swarm of mindless, self-replicating military roombas is a fitting and poignant end.

Horizon has such good story writing, they have such good written characters, especially the antagonist Faro. Sure he isn’t a character you actually see in person in the game, but his past actions speak for him, it really makes you hate the character, IN A GOOD WAY! He is such a good villain that you actually want to confront him, you WANT to kill him yourself.

I’ve been looking forward to this…(c) Dooku

Ted and Elon share alot of similarities

Thebes was an interesting and odd place to play through. I am an Art Historian and have started to look at HZD and HFW from that point of view. I want to do a deep dive on the art in there!! It was creepy!

Well on one hand Ted Faro somehow managed to destroy the world twice but on the other hand he did invent Mister Handy 1:31

I can't believe it's taken me this long to realise the really obvious Faro > Pharaoh link in Ted's surname, even knowing his Egyptian mythology preoccupations.

@Beerbottles123

2 жыл бұрын

I just realized Sobeck was a corruption of Sobek, also an Egyptian god. Be nice to your Snapmaws from now on.

I have so many questions about Sirius Colony, particularly its population. The Odyssey carried billions of plant seeds, millions of animal zygote, 200k human embryos, and 50-60 passengers who would become the immortal rulers of Sirius... the question is how much of the biological stockpile was awakened on Sirius and how much remains on The Odyssey today in orbit around Earth? We saw images of Sirius covered in cities, but I believe these were just projections, guesses at what the colony world looked like if 200,000 people had 1000 years to reproduce and build...but it could be the 50-60 Far Zenith immortals only birthed some or none of the embryos. It would depend on how much labor they needed, how much technical development was needed, and if they wanted to rule over a new civilization as immortal Lords and Ladies. If The Odyssey has enough surviving seeds and embryos it might still be possible to colonize another world after all.

Hey I really like ur videos as i am a big fan of the horizon games and I was just curious as to how long it take to make these videos as they are really Informative

@RandomSideQuest

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Josh 😁 it depends really, I'd say hours wise... this one was around 16 putting it all together 😅

@joshuabloomfield63

2 жыл бұрын

@@RandomSideQuest just had a thought do we know what causes the glitch that caused this all to happen we know that nemesis is the reason for gia self destructing but not what causes the robots to start acting up

Was looking forward to this video when I finished FW. Wouldn't surprise me if he came back for the third game somehow.

@LPeck1985

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe he survived the Incineration. I have no idea how. Or he managed to make clones of himself. That man must of had a few backups in the pipeline.

so Elisabeth saved earth not ted . He just paid for it....

Serious question when are you going to release an audiobook or some audio compilation with all of this information regarding the Horizon series? I would love to have a compilation in its entirety

I can only imagine how enraged Ted must have been at not being able to kill Elizabet himself, using his Omega Clearance. Most theories seem to assume that Ted slowly came to his decision to purge Apollo and kill the Alphas as part of his growing mental and emotional deterioration. That deterioration was real, but I also think that, as the one person who had, in his mind, bested him, Ted had long intended to "surprise" Elizabet with his possession of Omega. Probably as soon as Horizon Dawn was confirmed as completed, had the sealing of GAIA Prime gone as it should. I think Ted planned to destroy Apollo, then throw what he would have seen as Elizabet's "failure" to "contaminate The Future" in her face, before murdering her and the rest of the Alphas. That Elizabet had the bad taste to not only die before he could end her himself, but die with the sort of heroism that he would never have shown himself (but wanted to claim), well... that must have driven Ted even crazier than he already was. With that said, it'll be interesting to see if and how Part III ultimately handles the Quen, whose entire culture appears to be built on the belief that Ted Faro, not Elizabet, is the hero of the piece--and I likewise find it interesting that even the "Scum-is-What-We-Do-Best" Zeniths apparently thought Ted was too much of an ass for them to share their immortality secrets with. And good on 'em for *that* tiny piece of good judgment. As usual, your handling of the lore wonderfully deepens the story of Horizon. Thanks so much for the awesome work you do!

How about a video on the Tenath and how they became a unified tribal nation? Or maybe the lofe story on that Carja guy who embraced the Tenath lifestyle?

Great video and lore...wish we could have seen how Fero looks like in the game...he sounded like a monstrosity

I know that this video is about Ted (which by the way, the Thebes mission had my skin crawling, good job Guerilla with the music, level design and datapoints for that mission making the whole thing really creepy) but my question is about Hephaestus. Were Aloy and Beta able to remove its malicious code before it escaped in the final mission? I was a bit confused about that part. Also, do you think Vast Silver will be an enemy or ally in Horizon 3? And maybe we’ll get to leave North America and go across the world in subsequent titles?

@jordanread5829

2 жыл бұрын

They were interrupted by the Zeniths. HEPHAESTUS is still out there, stronger and more pissed off than ever. So I don't think they got rid of its malicious code. Plus they kinda needed it as HEPHAESTUS going crazy on the Zeniths was crucial to Aloys plan to destroy the Zeniths base and get back Beta and GAIA.