"The minute I found out he's sauron, he just suddenly became hot to me" Funny because that's literally what all of reddit said 🤣🤣🤣

@bencebotye3904

Жыл бұрын

After seeing Rana's reaction to Zuko and Kylo Ren, don't surprised me at all.

@Unhinged_Pegasus69

Жыл бұрын

Well, according to the lore, Sauron is hot in a very literal sense, so…

@Ask4This

Жыл бұрын

Further proof that power is attractive.

@waskowcreationsart9639

3 ай бұрын

@@Ask4Thisor bad boy in a way😂 this being a lot much worse haha

Sauron is a Maiar, an angelic being created by Eru Illuvatar (God of Tolkien's World).

@DizRupTnz

Жыл бұрын

Istari and Balrogs are also Maiar.

@berlindude75

Жыл бұрын

one Maia (singular), several Maiar (plural) one Vala (singular), several Valar (plural) one Ainu (singular), several Ainur (plural) one Istar (singular), several Istari (plural)

@Olivetree80

Жыл бұрын

very luficer-esque

@superluigiac

Жыл бұрын

@@Olivetree80 yws, but it applies more to his old boss, Melkor (Morgoth) , "the strongest of all vala, before his fall"

@houseofaction

Жыл бұрын

@@superluigiac that isn't really accurate as tolkien described Melkor and Manwe are as equipotent

I think whats great about the actor playing Halbrand is even after he is discovered to be lying the entire time, he still almost convinces you that he would share power with Galadriel with his preformance, brilliant stuff 🙏

@JoshieboyStudios

Жыл бұрын

He would have though. It’s the whole reason the episode is called “alloy”. Mixing the two of them together with make them both more powerful

@deathswitch2404

Жыл бұрын

@@JoshieboyStudios I dont think he ever saw Galadriel as a potential ally though, he always saw her as a tool to regain and retain his power.. there is no way he would follow through with giving away half of it to Galadriel imo. He'd use her for her influence with the elves and probably end up killing her

@berlindude75

Жыл бұрын

Sauron as Halbrand did not lie, though. Everything he actually said was or became true. He even indeed turned out to be the long-lost King of -the Southlands- Mordor. 😉

@JeM130177

Жыл бұрын

In fairness he didn't really lie..except by omission. He said he found the crest on s dead man, it was discarded as a lie of reluctance, he said he'd done evil and she accepted it. "Are you the king we were promised?" is also pretty vague. Nothing about him being an heir to a certain thrown. That made me feel a little better tbh i hadn't wanted him to have just being fully lying about everything the whole time as i was enjoying his character, even though I suspected where it was leading also hahaha

@theawesomeman9821

Жыл бұрын

good actor makes good characters, sometimes.

Sauron definitely made the choice to turn to evil. In the mythology he was not made evil. He chose to follow Morgoth. So, yes, he can help it.

@jackbrian7083

Жыл бұрын

Manipulation tactic 101 *i didnt choose to be Bad i was forced to *

@modyshapel3158

Жыл бұрын

@@Nemophilist850 lmao ok

@RagingHeat98

Жыл бұрын

@@Nemophilist850 nerd

@caioqueiroz9750

Жыл бұрын

@@Nemophilist850 Whatever, you're still a nerd with superiority complex, which means your opinion means nothing to people who actually have a life

@JBWinter

Жыл бұрын

@@Nemophilist850 it's pulled straight from Tolkien - there was a period in the Second Age where he expressed genuine remorse, at least partly out of fear of punishment. They just moved that time forward a bit so characters people know from the films could be present for some of it

A note on the intro to the show. It's supposed to be depicting the story of Ainulindale. Which was literally the music created by the Ainur to shape the universe. The really interesting thing about the way they did the intro is that it is being made by soundwaves pushing grains of sand around on a plate to create different shapes depending on the frequency used. This is a real phenomenon using what's called a Chladni Plate that you can find video demonstrations of all over KZread. I thought it was a really creative way of visualizing how sound can move and shape matter just as it did in the Ainulindale. I'm not sure if they used CGI or practical effects in this case, but either way it's still pretty cool.

@Jehphg

Жыл бұрын

They used both, there's a video of how they made all the designs and the whole opening. They used CGI to enrich the practical shots and link them

@netflixandchinchilla

Жыл бұрын

@@Jehphg Thanks for pointing that out. I just looked it up. It also looks like in order to make some of the complex recognizable patterns like the trees they designed the tree, used sound to form something else, and then reversed the whole sequence in post to make it appear the other way around. I was wondering how they did those parts. I didn't even think about that.

@WhyneedanAlias

Жыл бұрын

@@netflixandchinchilla Oh that's interesting, I thought it wass all CG since there are some fine symmetry breaking details which would not really be possible on real Chladni plates... but it being reversed makes sense. Ofc there are still some blatand CG shots

@rocketbeastwolf

Жыл бұрын

I took the gold and black melding together is when melkor (morgoth) put discord during the song.

@jens2049

Жыл бұрын

@@rocketbeastwolf thats correct

Would have loved to heard the audio from the original reaction, even if there hadn't been video. Was so excited for the reaction to specifically the end of this one 😆 If you ever have this happen again we'd be happy with just audio! 💜

Sauron...was...never...an...actual...eye... yall keep saying that he was lol. His troops referred to him as The Eye because he never allowed them to call him by his name. Peter Jackson made him into an eye, it was a hollywood thing but not actual thing.

Well guys if you read the books in the beginning after Morgoth's defeat Sauron really has plans to do good things and heal Middle Earth but eventually we all know he changes his mind as time goes on. But in a way, he's not lying at all.

@lonecyberman5432

Жыл бұрын

He's always believed in order over chaos he just couldn't be arsed in the third age

In the whole season, Sauron didn't even lied once, that's what you call a manipulator.

sad to not see the reaction to Sauron's reveal...

@tjbfox769

Жыл бұрын

Ugh. Same. I'll bet everyone was shocked.

@jonsnow1951

Жыл бұрын

yea i thought the past corrupted vid's audio was supposed to be added here but it isnt it seems

@davidnobre5660

Жыл бұрын

@@tjbfox769 especially after seeing that they believed the Istar was Sauron in the beginning!

@Makkaru112

Жыл бұрын

You won’t be so shocked when you read the real books or the audiobooks!!

@jonsnow1951

Жыл бұрын

@@Makkaru112 srsly just stop. Tired of hearing this. We get it it’s bad lol

Sauron WAS like Gandalf. He was a Maiar and turned evil following Morgoth. That explains his power

@maegorbalerion

Жыл бұрын

But he was a servant of aule the most skilled valar in terms of technical knowledge about the earth. By following morgoth he also learned a lot ane became the most powerful maiar. Gandalf wasn't his opponent

@crabberdabberye

10 ай бұрын

@@maegorbalerionMost powerful maiar is a bit much. He literally grovelled at the feat and begged eonwe (herald of manwe and lord of the maiar) for forgiveness.

God damn it of all the footage to lose ☹ Edit: Wait why would you not release the audio of the first watch? I watch reactions because they are first time reactions. Maybe you know otherwise but I would be shocked if the majority of your viewers would not have preferred a first time audio only reaction to a second time video reaction. Doubly so because the whole point of this is to hear people being shocked at the Sauron reveal. It's like releasing a reaction video of the Sixth Sense where the reactor has seen it already.

@bernardsoul5186

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

"Call it...a Gift" ....Alright then Annatar Lord of Gifts

Sauron is not a sorceress or a wizard, he is a Maiar, which is what Gandalf is. Maia are like angels or Spirits, which is why Sauron can change his form. Before they came to Middle-Earth they were hanging out with the Gods

@drjulietburke

Жыл бұрын

Maia = Singular Maiar = Plural

@matpaterson8830

Жыл бұрын

@@drjulietburke Whatever

@drjulietburke

Жыл бұрын

@@matpaterson8830 no need to be a bitch about it. One would think a book reader would know this ;)

It was very fun to see you all fall for the red herring, it must have been surprising to you guys to finally see who Sauron the Deceiver really was. Btw, Sauron does go through a road of repentance but in the end he decides to go back to his old ways lol. To answer your question about the future of the show, Season 2 is currently in production and there's 5 seasons planned for the next 10 years.

@dmp1520

Жыл бұрын

cute tolkien nerds are the best ladies.

@Tangerator

Жыл бұрын

​@@dmp1520 hehe thanks uwu

@dmp1520

Жыл бұрын

@@Tangerator uwu? Oh yes nothing quite as hot as a book wormy tolkien nerdy cute lady 😉😍 but u know... to me at least.. halbrand was always obviously not a king of men and obviously a form of sauron in disguise.. come on.. the signs are alllllll there. One of the first things he says is what even ? APPEARANCES CAN BE DECEIVING.... pay attention to how he reacts his eyes how he always seems distant and detached while always polite and agreeable ...

@xxCBTEnjoyer

Жыл бұрын

@@dmp1520 you go tiger

@symuelleleones

Жыл бұрын

Flor laughed so hard I fell off the chair reading your comment well season 2 more like a budget of CW or BBC low quality effects they need generated income for that if lord jeff pay them and the showrunners of this show are untalented ass hats even a high school literature class can create better stories than them see this companies don't care about the audience they are care about the 1 percent of twitter

So here's the best take I've heard on the Intro sequence: the sand basically represents the songs of the Valar when time began. They all sang together in various themes and melodies, and then Melkor begins to sing and adds in a discord to the melody. With the Sand representing the song of the Valar, the Black sand seems to represent Melkors discord which is added to the song.

@Makkaru112

Жыл бұрын

Nobody would know to use their imagination like that unless they read the books. Amazon: where the viewer does the work for you whole we continue to embezzle like the little gremlins we are who hate anything of beauty and actual merit!! “Give me game of thrones” “ we are writing the story Tolkien never wrote”

Celebrimbor, one of the oldest and the greatest smiths of Middle-earth, and he couldn't come to the conclusion of smelting different metal ores together?

Sauron is an immortal Maia spirit same as Gandalf and the Balrog. The Maiar are part of the race of the Ainur, angelic beings created by Eru the god of LOTR. Together with Eru they created the universe. 15 of the Ainur were greater than the others kinda like Archangles. They were called the Valar, Morgoth was one of them. They lesser class of Ainur, the Maiar, were basically their servants/apprentices. Sauron is basically a fallen angel, and Morgoth is basically the devil. The “silence” Sauron references is the silence before the creation of the universe aka the song of the Ainur. Sauron literally existed before time itself, he far more than a “sorcerer” or “wizard” as is Gandalf Saruman and the Balrogs.

I wish we could've seen your original reaction huhu But thank you for posting this anyway!

Thank you for the reaction . Was fun.

i love your reactions

Info: soo the "Istar" are basically Wizards. They knew that when he wielded the staff. Sauron is a Maiar ( basically a lower-ranking angelic being ) while Morgoth is a Valar ( The higher ranking angelic being ) and both are the strongest in their rank. Galadriel is actually kind of a princess cuz she is a descendant of House Finarfin ( a royal High Elven House in Valinor ). She is also the cousin to Celebrimbor ( The Greatest Elven Smith ) and royal blood is kind of special that's what makes Galadriel revered among Elves, She has the birthright to a few kingdoms of Elves, She is the bearer of The Elven Ring of Power, Nenya ( the ring of Water / Adament ) but she is more of a Mage role than a Fighter role the books and both in Hobbits and LORT Trilogy [ ps: She is 8000 Years Old on LORT trilogy ]. You can actually see how she fights in combat in the Hobbit Series but she is not as powerful as Sauron cuz he is a Maiar and she is an Elf ( powerful one though but still ). I think this is one of the reasons why a lot of LORT fans are upset with the show not only does the plot differ from the book but also the character arc of Galadriel. She came to Middle Earth to become a Queen and rule a kingdom away from Valinor ( the undying land where the angelic beings and elves live ). She is more of a gentle-hearted person, not this badass commander. People are disappointed cuz almost 70% of what happened in the show never happened in the books. I am personally still conflicted but I'm still watching the show cuz of the music, the set design, the CGI, the costume design, and Hot Sauron. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I really love your guys' reaction as a first-time watcher and not familiar with the lore but tries to piece things together. you guys are awesome keep up the good work. I could be wrong in many ways too but please correct me. And sorry for writing an essay to read 🤣 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.

Alternative show title: "Sauron Overcoming His Late-Life Crisis"

i am so sad they lost the initial reaction . 😥

"Call it a Gift" "It is a Mighty Gift."

@anonymousname5860

Жыл бұрын

“Only you could accomplish such art, Celebrimbor”

@di3486

Жыл бұрын

His dagger is a mighty gift 😏

@Makkaru112

Жыл бұрын

This isn’t Tolkiens second age. No poppy. No Nori. No Adar. None of it ever existed. People now wonder if Tolkien was a good writer at all because of this thinking he wrote it!!!

@Makkaru112

Жыл бұрын

@@di3486 touch my darkness!!!!🎉😅

@di3486

Жыл бұрын

@@Makkaru112 lmao

I have to agree with Marketa about Sauron's level of responsibility. Plus, the entire thing about him not wanting to leave numenor and not wanting the responsibility could've been a complete con, reverse psychology on Galadriel, as he knew her weakness which blinded her. But even if he was genuine, even though he wanted to stay out, he is responsible for his own actions, and he also flipped from loving Galadriel to completely turning on her with anger and fear tactics the second she pushed back.

Sauron was a maia, kind of like an angel.

it's amazing to see how some people watching the show also get deceived by Sauron's words and actions. We already know how evil he is and yet...🙂 It mirrors what I constantly see in real life. The show runners and the actor who plays sauron showed it really well. He knows how to get into your head, this is what makes him so dangerous. Halbrand literally walked around with that little bag with the emblem on it, of course he knew what he was doing. With Sauron you have to read between the lines and pierce through his facade. Just because he said he didn't want to go back doesn't mean he actually means it... But this is what makes him a great villain and makes the story richer. This season was focused on Galadriel (which I absolutely loved, I always wanted a backstory for her) the next season will be focused on Sauron, that will be interesting as well because we always heard about sauron, this great, big evil but didn't really know him. I love this show and I'm looking forward to more🧙‍♀

@Arctic_Stark

Жыл бұрын

I think it isn't so straightforward because at least for a while in the beginning I think Sauron/Halbrand honestly was repentant and didn't want to go back to Middle earth and fight. I do think Galadriel slowly brought that side of him out again. That being said, I don't think he would have remained neutral even without her. He would have turned back to evil sooner or later.

@Makkaru112

Жыл бұрын

I implore you to read the books pertaining to this era. You’ll be gobsmacked when you realize none of this in the series happened. No Nori. No poppy. No Adar. None of it. None of it existed

@Arctic_Stark

Жыл бұрын

@@Makkaru112 LOL I love how so many Tolkien book readers think that they are the only ones who have read these books, which are some of the best-selling fantasy novels of all time. I've read most of the Legendarium. Yes, these characters are not named in the books, because only like 10 characters are named in the second age. If you can't accept that the producers need to create new characters to build a show that will be 5 seasons long, then you probably shouldn't be watching.

@JR-sk3pt

Жыл бұрын

@@Makkaru112 What books about the second age you imply Tolkien wrote? In appendix B of the Return of the King titled the tale of years, pages 363 to 365 deal with a very brief explanation of the second age in a chronological format, such as a particular year and a brief sentence accompanying the description. There never was created a Silmarillion type of history for the second age.

That was an amazing episode! 🔥

@Makkaru112

Жыл бұрын

Yeah? Did you know none of it happened in the book? Did you know Nori never existed? No Poppy either. No Saddoc. No Adar. None of it !!!

@smallla1514

Жыл бұрын

@@Makkaru112 👍

@farimer1232

Жыл бұрын

@@Makkaru112 ok boomer

Bear McCreary also did Battlestar Galactica and I loved his work there!

@HallyuHagdom

Жыл бұрын

Yes!

@chaost4544

Жыл бұрын

The BSG soundtracks for all of the seasons were amazing.

@matpaterson8830

Жыл бұрын

He also did Black Sails, the most underrated tv series theme music ever

@ranamohammad6719

Жыл бұрын

@@matpaterson8830 I love the black sails theme! Look up remixes 🔥

@matpaterson8830

Жыл бұрын

@@ranamohammad6719 The whole Soundtrack is incredible. Every episode has unique pieces with authentic instruments

OMG Pat is SO tired on the rewatch. He's so close to falling asleep lol

Sauron was a Mayar, assistance to the god Aule, the smith. That god created the dwarves, and that why Sauron is so attached to smith work. He is immortal, like the wizards and elves. He was seduced by Morgoth with promise that both will change the Earth (Arda). He is shape shifter, and have really many names- Gift giver, Snake tongue, King of werewolves...etc. Silmarilion is a huge book ;)

@JACKAL98

Жыл бұрын

he chose to follow morgoth he wasnt seduced at all

I wanted a Halbrand and Galadriel kiss , what a deception.

@theawesomeman9821

Жыл бұрын

I used to ship them too!

@kalecrystal4054

Жыл бұрын

Me too! Just ONE kiss. I know that as a married elf she couldnt couple with him but at least a kiss.

@theawesomeman9821

Жыл бұрын

@@kalecrystal4054 kissing is still cheating

@Makkaru112

Жыл бұрын

Gross. This is proof these sort of bad fan fiction writers are involved with the writing of this horrendous series

@Makkaru112

Жыл бұрын

@@kalecrystal4054 nope. She wouldn’t kiss satan

The Stranger is not Gandalf. Because Gandalf never travelled EAST. I theorise that he's one of the Blue Wizards, both of whom travelled east before the events of the War of the Ring.

@01000001011100100111

Жыл бұрын

I don't think you can rely on the lore to guess what these writers are going to do.

@JeM130177

Жыл бұрын

I'm willing to not fully commit to Gandalf right now but the amount of direct referenced to him was pretty heavy if it's not 🤣

@AceCruzat

Жыл бұрын

@@zdr155 They also are compressing the timelines: ain't no way Elendil and Isildur should be alive since 2nd and 3rd ages are like a thousand years apart and Numenors live 200+ max. And I agree with the Stranger being Gandalf: the "follow your nose" was pretty much the confirmation since Gandalf said the exact same thing to Frodo in Fellowship. Regarding the writers, the Tolkien Estate never gave them full license to use the Silmarillion or any of the appendix materials outside of the Hobbit and the LOTR trilogy. They can only work with the appendices within the trilogy and essentially make up the rest: it's why they can't follow the lore to a T. They HAVE to be creative to fill in the holes.

@AceCruzat

Жыл бұрын

@@zdr155 I enjoyed it. Even with their creative liberties, eps 7 and 8, IMO, elevated it for me from liking the show to loving the show. I'm looking forward to see what they do for season 2.

@JeM130177

Жыл бұрын

@@zdr155 why are you here? You've sat and watched a show you don't like and now you've watched others watch the show you don't like and have gone out of your way to come into the comments and talk shit about it. Go find something else to do.

"What is Sauron" When Sauron says "I have been awake since before the breaking of the first silence", that is not a figure of speech. He means that literally. He is a divine being who has been around since before the creation of the universe. Since before the first word was spoken. He was born from the thoughts of Eru Illuvitar (God). He was taught to sing by Eru Illuvitar. He helped sing the universe into existence before he fell. He is our equivalent of a fallen angel.

The intro music is composed by Howard Shore, who also composed the score for the earlier movies. Bear McCreary does the in-show score.

During first and second age sauron was Shap shifter, he transformed during the first age into Wolf, snake, bat and during second age into an elf

I’m loving this discussion. 😂😂😂

I'd held off fully accepting the Halbrand theory, I don't know much about the lore other than what surrounds the LOTR story and the odd bits here and there but have been learning a little more as this show haa gone on. But as soon as he went up to visit Celebrimbor and started giving him forging ideas I was like "ah shit it's ya boy" 🤣. I didn't believe The Stranger was Sauron at all. Partly because I suspected Halbrand and also partly because it was a on odd place for a reveal in my eyes. So I assumed it was a red herring. I think if they were going to reveal him as Sauron he wouldn't have been so consistently attempting to be good. Halbrand always had a secret darkness to him. Also The Stranger's theme music was far too lovely for him to be bad imho 🤣🤣🤣

@bernardsoul5186

Жыл бұрын

I actually expected Hallbrand to become the Witch King of Angmar or at least a Nazgul

The addiction analogy is a good one, but it doesn't matter if someone brought it to your place, it's ultimately your fault for indulging in it again. It's your choice. It's Sauron's choice.

Whoa! I'm fast on this one 😂

Such a damn shame we aren't able to see the reaction to the Sauron reveal...

It has such an excellent Greek tragedy vibe, the elf king said Galadriel might bring the evil she fought so they sent them away, which is what put her in the path of Sauron. And she was so focused on her revenge that she missed the enemy in front of her. And I think the reason that Sauron didn't want to return with Galadriel is because he wanted to do evil work in Numenor, I feel like he wasn't ready to take on Adar but then he's offered an army to put him on the throne and waste not, want not.

To answer your question about what Sauron is... In a nutshell, Middle Earth's mythology goes like this: 1) Creator God (Eru Ilúvatar) 2) Pantheon of "gods" (Morgoth was one of these) 3) Angel equivalents (includes Sauron, the wizards, and the balrogs) Some of them wind up with different rules governing their ability to take physical bodies. Sauron has a lot more wiggle room than the wizards, which is why they were never able to actually kill him; several times his physical body was wounded or destroyed, but he eventually generated a new one. Even when the One Ring was destroyed it didn't kill Sauron, but rather permanently crippled him (the vast majority of his power was lost).

Sauron is the same entity as Gandalf or Saruman. Morgoth if I’m not mistaken I’d basically a god but I’m not an expert so I could be wrong.

Fun reaction Normies!

Elendil is the cousin of Tar Miriel. There is nothing between them lol

@Makkaru112

Жыл бұрын

And he has more right to the throne than ever Pharazon. But here he’s a lowly fisherman!! Just watch the horse will find his son just like Aragorn… lol the plagerism is crazy. Plagerism galore!!

If someone brings me a candy bar and I eat it is that my fault? Yes, yes it is

Been patiently waiting for this!! Thanks for making it work for us 🎉 y’all the best

The white ladies: "We come to serve you, Lord Sauron" tv watchers: * gasp * It's him! Sauron! 😮 Halbrand: "Call it... a gift" book readers: * gasp * It's him! _Annatar_ , the lord of gifts! 😮

I've watched all your videos on this to see how someone could really enjoy season 1 of this series. I certainly didn't, but I found it interesting as it does seem like the details that are glossed over that I myself find quite important aren't a problem for some viewers. I guess the this series will fall into a similar response to Winnie-the-Pooh: Blood and Honey. Regarding ages of Middle earth it is easiest to remember by the major events: 1st age: Morgoth's rising and defeat (Sauron serves Morgoth) 2nd age: Sauron in hiding and attempts to repent, forging of the rings, Sauron's deceit and 1st rise to power and defeat (Sauron looses his physical form) 3rd age: Collapse of Gondor, Sauron rebuilding power and final destruction of the One Ring (Sauron's soul/essence is destroyed) 4th age: Starts when Aragorn is crowned King of Gondor Lots of other big events happen but these are the major events that bookend each age

Lol he called Lenny Henry, Morgan Freeman lol

@Makkaru112

Жыл бұрын

Lenny Henry. Lol. Look him up on Tiswas. Then watch him be a two face when he pretends to be for “equality”

34:46 noooooo this is the 2nd Age already! Gandalf doesn't officially show up until the 3rd Age only the blue wizards exist in the 2nd Age

Sauron wasn't 'born evil', nobody was, the Maia (Children on Illuvatar) all were spirits that served the Valar. Melkor was the most powerful and knowledgeable of the Ainur (Maia and Valar), but they were proud and impatient, desiring to create their own stuff and thus tried to manipulate Illuvatar's Great Music (which created the cosmos and most of life, this is what Sauron meant by 'before the breaking for the first silence', it's also why the intro is like it is), which led him to become Morgoth. Mairon also was the mightiest of the Maia that served Aule, the smith, but they were a perfectionist which Morgoth manipulated towards 'perfecting' Middle Earth, which turned Mairon into Sauron. That's exactly what Sauron is, the Istar are also Maia, so were the Balrogs. It's better to consider Sauron like a fallen angel, Morgoth more aligns with being Lucifer, but Sauron is also like if Lucifer had a second in command. Though they couldn't explicitly use it because they don't own the rights, the fact that Halbrand says 'call it a gift' tipped off Silmarillon readers in confirming Halbrand as Sauron, since in that book Sauron appeared under the guise of Annatar, which means Lord of Gifts, to teach the Elven Smiths how to make magic rings, passing on his craft also meant he would know what tricks to use to control whatever rings they made and bind its power to the One Ring.

@Makkaru112

Жыл бұрын

We readers don’t like to be handled with kid gloves. It’s gross. We were not the target audience

They are basically arguing that addiction is the person fault...Sauron was an addict who was sober and Galadriel (sp?) Forced his face back into the pure coke that is power...now he is back at it lol

@dutchkel

Жыл бұрын

But Galadriel didn't know she was with an addict

FYI, Bear McCreary also composed ost for God Of War 2018 game.

💕 Fiona Apple did amazing on the final song. 💕

9:54 Surprising my man Pat got that it was dangerous, no one else!

15:47 I almost died XD

Another super long intro show is Game of Thrones lol I find the long intros so interesting to watch though. And they make the theme music stick in my head 🤣

The stranger is most likely Romestamo (called Pallando in Tolkien's earlier writings) because he's headed into the East (Rhun). In the lore, Romestamo and Morinehtar were sent to Middle Earth, Romestamo went to Rhun (the East) and Morinehtar went into Harad (the South). The only other wizard who went to the East definitively was Saruman, but in the Third Age. In the lore Gandalf says he went into the South but never into the East. Radagast may or may not have gone East at some point. Romestamo, and possibly Morinehtar are the only wizards who would have gone into the East in the Second Age. All of the Gandalf clues are just nods to the movies in general. If you pay attention, there are quotes by Gandalf by other characters as well, and also quotes by all the Fellowship. Bronwyn had a Sam quote from the books in (I think) ep 6. The true clue I think is that he's going East. In the lore, the South and East referred to specific places, and the East is the place the Stranger is now headed. All of this taken with recent interviews by the showrunners that say that SSN 2 will be closer to the lore than SSN 1 and I have a hard time thinking it's Gandalf.

@erickvoshel1

11 ай бұрын

The second season recently finished filming in the UK this June. I have also read a report on the Cinemaholic Website that was published a few days ago that the show has been renewed for a third season & will film in Hertfordshire, a sub-metropolitan county in Southern England & I have a feeling that Amazon will be making an announcement soon. Anyway, I have read that next season will focus on Sauron. Looking forward to the Normies reacting to the remaining 4 seasons.

Would you be interested in watching videos about the lore of LotR, like the story of Morgoth the first evil lord before Sauron, for example? I'd love to see that. The "Nerd of the Rings" channel did 3 parts on his story, I think.

I am certain the stranger is not Gandalf, I think he's one of the Blue Wizards whom were said to have showed up about this time in Middle Earth. Gandalf is not going to show up for another two thousand years and the stranger's destination is Southward unlike our Gray Wizard who stayed in Northwestern Middle Earth

Galadriel pulls a Mac: "Sauron is a LIAR, sometimes." Elrond: It took you 3 months to make that?

I found interesting that a lady asked what Sauron is. Tolkien created a fabulous fictional world based on Nordic legends. Sauron, whose real name was Mairon belongs to this order. In the hierarchy of Tolkien's world he belong to rase called Maiar. He was not human, he was not elf, he was not any magician or wizard. His power was coming from the nature of is mankind (Maiar race). There were very few Maiar in Tolkiens world, most of them stayed completely withdrawn from Earth things. Mairon (Sauron) thought was, let's get involved, let's rule, let's have power over Elfs and mankind. He turned his angelic powers into a pure evil over 30,000+ years he was present in Tolkien's world.

If Ewoks can fight Storm Troopers with stones and wood, Hardfoots should be able to fight too.

The Istar and Sauron are part of the Maiar, but Sauron isn't an Istar

I really enjoyed the reveal, even if I did see it coming, the way they did it was really cool and Halbrand's speech trying to justify himself and appear to seem sympathetic was a nice take on this version of Sauron and what he was like before we see him as a giant man in dark armor and then a huge flaming eye. And before you guys start feeling sympathetic to him or wonder if it would have been better if Galadriel had gone with him you need to remember that Sauron is a master manipulator, and I would caution you guys to not trust anything someone says or appears to be doing when one of the titles said person holds is "The Great Deceiver"

Sadoc had the most wholesome death scene ever.

Lol not Navi blaming Galadriel for Sauron's astrocities 🤦‍♂

Bruh when they didn't pick up on the "When in doubt follow your nose" giveaway it's Gandalf, he said this to Merry in lord of the rings .

@jdmfsdjs

Жыл бұрын

if you are not a lotr nerd, you wont pick it up. I think thats pretty normal not to pick up, if you have seen lotr ages ago. what really is a bruhh.... thing is that they say its surprising that halbrand is sauron, there were so many hints

@Makkaru112

Жыл бұрын

@@jdmfsdjs when you have had the books touch your heart and be one of many who’s loves his works has saved you won’t fall for this schlack and won’t settle for mediocrity. We need to expect better otherwise we won’t get anything good anymore. Wheel of time anyone?

15:48 best line, lol

Maiar > Istar > Elf > Numenorian > Dwarf > Human > Hobbit/harfoot (in terms of power and longevity)

@Makkaru112

Жыл бұрын

Harfoot wasn’t even the word used then and Tolkien literally said they didn’t take part in second age at all. They are all made up. Halbrand too. Adar never existed either. So sad

@alexvlaxos6620

Жыл бұрын

Istari ARE Mayar

I'm sad no one noticed that line is the same Gandalf says in Moria with the Fellowship of the Ring.

28:44 same lol

Morgan Freeman? 🤣🤣 I know it was a joke but Sadoc's actor is Lenny Henry he's pretty famous here in the UK!

@16:19 - They have been searching for Sauron and sensed the power. The Istari later known as Gandalf is the same level of god (Maiar) as Sauron (though Sauron is much more powerful). There are no other Maiar in the mortal realm at this point (that we know of). And they don't currently know what Sauron currently looks like, as he can change his form, only that he was defeated, is missing and may not know who he is. So it makes sense they could confuse who this was. And no, they were not looking for Saurman. When he is sent to middle earth in the 3rd age he is good until he is corrupted by Sauron through the Palantir.

I think that this is one of the Blue Wizards, there is a little known about them and the timeline matches up. Gandalf, Saruman and Randagast arrive in early third age.

To answer your question the dark lord is Maiar, dark angelic being who is pure formless shadow, very much a shadow God. In the previous games shadow of war if you played it the story would make slightly more sense, unless you don't want any spoilers in the storyline.

Sauron is a Maiar just like Gandalf and fellow wizards (same with the Balrogs). They are like demigods and the wizards in particular are called the istari. Sauron turned bad by itself but the Barlgod were corrupted until they become what they are.

"Istar" is the elvish (Quenya) word for "wizard"; plural is Istari. Sindarin is "Ithron".

@Makkaru112

Жыл бұрын

Annnnnd never came until the third age which was HUGE importance

I don’t think the Elves gave much thought to Men, and their kings, so Galadriel wouldn’t know their business. She sought out the information, which was wise.

In LOTR 1 , in mines of moria while choosing which way to go, gandalf says always follow your nose. That's the same thing the stranger says to nori . So you know who is gandalf.

Sauron is the same type of being as Gandalf, Saruman, Radagast, etc. He is one of the Maiar, created by the Valar. It is believed that the Valar created the maiar, and use them to positively impact and guide the world, since they cannot physically go to middle-earth. Just like it is also believed that the Valar send the eagles to help at times of great need, to help tip the scales.

They probably confused Gandalf with Sauron because they are both Maiar. And there are only 6 Maiar in Middle Earth (Sauron and the 5 Istari)

Was wait for this!!! Loved the show. good setup to the main lore for second age. I deff do not like that they changed up somethings from tolkiens lore but love seeing his lengendarium come to life.

Thanks amazon, I was looking for the actual Lord of the rings movies...

Sauron, Gandalf(the White), Balrogs and other Istari are all maiar(lesser angels) so not valar level (archangels)like Morgoth or Manwes but they are still angels, and Sauron is the strongest of the Lesser Angels in Arda (earth) also the last alliance was about a million elves , dwarves and men and Sauron destroyed a big (estimated lowest 25 %- highest 45%) chunk of the army by himself. P.S none of Saurons words are to be believed he worshipped Morgoth before the creation of the world, one of Saurons many Names is The Deciever he is manipulating her and created this whole situation from the very start (pretending to be dead was also part of the plan) so that he could get there he would have used Galadriel and killed her and his actor confirmed it in the post episode interview

A shame we didn’t get the blind reaction

I freaking loved this episode.

@Makkaru112

Жыл бұрын

Did you know Nori and meteor man and Poppy and Adar and Bronwyn never existed in the books!? 😬😬😮😮😮😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

Someone please let Navi and the others know that this show IS the Second age. Traditionally it is believed the Istar showed up in the middle of the Third age (though some might have showed up in the second age so this isn't completely outside canon). The First age was the fight against Morgoth and ended with his defeat.

@rocketbeastwolf

Жыл бұрын

Also we only saw the three rings made. We have yet to see the other rings made.

@netflixandchinchilla

Жыл бұрын

Tolkien changed events several times. I can't remember them all but in one version he had all the Istari arrive around the same time in the 3rd age, and in another version the blue wizards arrive in the 2nd age while the rest appeared later. It would seem Tolkien never quite fleshed out the history of his writings before he died. It's probably one of the main reasons why there is so much confusion and debate on lore.

Crazy how all of the Evil characters always start out as Physically attractive. -Voldemort started off as Tom Riddle who was hot -Darth Vader started off as Anakin who was hot -And Sauron started off as Halbrand, who is also hot.. lol

in the land of mordor, one ring to rule the all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them

They got Sauron out here simping bro 😭😂

@blackflagsnroses6013

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think it’s as much a romance thing for him, since Maiar don’t fall in love like that. He probably wants her to be to him what he was to Morgoth.

@Arctic_Stark

Жыл бұрын

@@blackflagsnroses6013 Not true, Maiar do fall in love, Melian the Maia famously was in love with Elu Thingol (though yes in this case Sauron is clearly lying about everything ).

@di3486

Жыл бұрын

@@blackflagsnroses6013 Galadriel has a crush no doubt 😂

@di3486

Жыл бұрын

@@Arctic_Stark and almost all the Valar are married

@blackflagsnroses6013

Жыл бұрын

@@di3486 to each other

@17:44.. lol you already forgot about the guy who will chop off Sauron's fingers and fail to drop the ring into the fires of Mt. Doom?? 🙂

For some Knowledge, Eru Illuvatar is the one ultimate God think Christian, Islam, Jewish God. He creates the Valar which to simplify things are similar to the Greek, Egyptian pantheon. Now Melkor is the strongest of these lesser gods, but Eru Illuvatar also creates countless other spirits called Maia think of these like angels from the Bible and just like angels they also have a hierarchy of lesser and greater. They dwell in the eternal halls for millions possibly even billions of years. Eru Illuvatar brings all the Valar together to sing in harmony at the birth of the universe or in this case you might say Middle Earth is the only physical plane in existence. Melkor the mightiest of the Valar is jealous of Eru as he is the only being that can truly create something out of nothing and create anything. Melkor becomes corrupted and over time corrupts Sauron who would be one of the archangels in strength. They fall to Middle Earth gaining physical form becoming stronger and weaker in different ways. Sauron is similar to Gandalf as they are both Maia, but Eru Illuvatar sent the Ishtar to Middle Earth as protectors as such their power is limited with rules that bind them, and Sauron overtime became stronger more knowledgeable as he was the one of the first to gain physical form.

Sauron is an evil Angel basically. The Istari (Order of Wizards) are also Angels in flesh. They being to the same spiritual beings called the Ainur. The Ainur is divided into two classes. The Valar are the most powerful and lord over all other Ainur. They are the gods of Middle-Earth. Among them was the Valar called Morgoth, originally Melkor he is the first Dark Lord and Sauron’s master. He brought evil into Middle-Earth since before it’s creation. The Maiar are all the other Ainur that serve the Valar. Gandalf, Sauron, Saruman, Radaghast etc… are all Maiar. The Ainur were created by and serve the one true god: Eru Illuvatar. Tolkien’s representation of the Christian God.

@Jehphg

Жыл бұрын

Up up up Your only mistake here was saying Eru is Tolkien's representation of the Christian God, he would be deeply offended by that since he hated that sort of alegory. It would be more correct to say Ilúvatar is the monotheistic all powerful Creator God of Tolkien's legendarium. But yeah great job summing it up 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@blackflagsnroses6013

Жыл бұрын

@@Jehphg sure but we all know his Catholicism drove his mythology. I mean no offense to Tolkien, he said what he said; but at the same time “come on man we know what you were up to” lol But you’re right

This series is like "Dune 1984"; questionable adaptation but entertaining none the less.

@captaindc3889

Жыл бұрын

Entertaining?

“Wizard” is thought to come from “wise one” but with a negative connotation (“-ard” means someone who does something a lot or is an example of a type, but like drunkard or coward or bastard), so like someone who goes around giving advice no one wants. 😄

Galadriel didn't know it was Sauron. She thought she was pushing a reluctant king to go back to his kingdom and fight evil. If she knew he was Sauron you think she would have? Sauron would love it if we blamed her and not him. He lied to her by not telling her who he was. Is that what a repentant person does? Sauron here deceiving everyone ha.