Queen Victoria wore only dark purple and other dark colours and heavy fabrics as a teenager. Black was reserved to only mourning people, so she wore other edgy dark colours when girls her age were supposed to wear light and happy colours and light fabrics! So she was a goth, in a way 😂

@elliejeanroyden

2 жыл бұрын

This is the best hot take I’ve read in a while

@brvndxxxn

2 жыл бұрын

So fabulous!

@hillarysudeikis2264

2 жыл бұрын

Lord Jesus Christ is coming back everyone, please don’t worship celebrities and entertainment, focus on Him alone. I promise there’s more to life than money, partying, homosexuality and music. Hell is real, repent from sinning confess your sins and ask God to forgive you, I know He will if you’re sincere. Anyone who thinks the Name of Lord Jesus Christ is a joke, boldly mocks and scorns Him or takes pleasure in people who do is in for a big unpleasant surprise on judgement day IF they don’t repent and follow Lord Jesus Christ. Hell is very hot, people please repent! In the mighty name of Lord Jesus Christ, Amen 🙏💪✝️💜❤️✝️! Idolatry such as, Islam, Catholicism, Sangomaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Santa Clausism, Confucianism, New Age, Science, Evolution, halloweenism, Harry Potterism, Politics, Donald Trumpism, Easter Bunnyism and other religions/faiths that are outside Biblical Christianity lead to hell! Don’t believe them, believe the Almighty God the Father of Lord Jesus Christ, who begot Him. Our Creator, The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is mighty, He doesn’t need a woman to beget a son, He is God. I choose to put my faith in a God who can do anything and everything, a God who has unlimited and infinite power to beget! So, it’s time to confess that Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord and to believe that He died and rose from the grave after three days and you shall be saved if you only obey Him by praying, worshipping, praising, reading the Bible and living holy and righteously according to the Bible. You have to endure until the end, carry your cross daily and build your relationship with God by following Lord Jesus daily until the end. You must never renounce your faith in The Lord Jesus Christ, there’s hell awaiting those who reject/deny Lord Jesus Christ and those who continue living sinfully, even the Christians who don’t want to repent will face the same fate, so please repent beloved people, in Lord Jesus Christ’s mighty and precious Name, Amen.

@janusnightshade9848

2 жыл бұрын

Well Victorian Goth is a thing.

@iamthekateastrophe4146

Жыл бұрын

Janus Nightshade That’s primarily because Queen Victoria also spent a significant amount of her reign in mourning - most notably her husband. Her youthful tendency towards dark colours and then later usage of mourning colours did establish a tone of darker colours predominating in fashion through the Victorian period. It’s part of the reason for the notable contrast in the Edwardian period in which light flowing garments became increasingly common for day wear

This video is really neat but my one critique is that the timeline/history DEEPLY needed to acknowledge punk (especially in the late 70s) and goth in the 80s! So fundamental to all of this.

@luciacuevas611

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it’s kinda where the whole fucking thing comes from

@collapsingnewpunkie

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, I enjoy the video and the tips but my favourite decade in terms of aesthetics and alternative fashion is the 80s, so I was kinda disappointed to not hear anything about... yknow, the building blocks of the whole thing

@portofthoughts4477

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, that's what happens when "the cool kids" take the counter culture's ideas: they claim them as original ideas 😂

@luciacuevas611

2 жыл бұрын

@@portofthoughts4477 word

@andreja9425

Жыл бұрын

as someone who is very involved in alternative culture and fashion this video felt very very surface level and inauthentic. I’d rather people just stick to their own lanes rather than trying to cover everything when they clearly don’t know what they’re talking about. Like imagine this girl trying doing an accurate, informed or credible read on the development of streetwear/rap fashion aesthetics. It would not work, so why does she feel emboldened to try and cover this? Im not trying to hate or anything, all fashion is a reflection of who we are and this isn’t who she is and that’s okay, but she should stick to what she knows

Seeing Winona Ryder vs Cindy Crawford finally made it click why I never feel as “cool” in oversized fits, they actually just suit me and look effortless

Dear Ellie-Jean, It is so refreshing to see a Kibbe body type analyses that don't take this system as a must, as an axiom, but as a basis for conforming and non-conforming style options and all in between (as you've shown in other episodes too, e.g. Pamela Anderson and more). For my long time experience with trying to conform to such a system (a season color palette), in between my teenage punk style and old age (hahaha) goth style, I may testify that those are never to be taken seriously and preferably taken with a pinch of salt. Develop your own personality and personal style, be original and most importantly, try to always feel "in your own skin" no matter what a certain system tells you to do. Cheers!

@elliejeanroyden

2 жыл бұрын

Yes!! You phrased this so well! I am so glad this is what you have taken away from my channel ☺️☺️☺️

@hillarysudeikis2264

2 жыл бұрын

Lord Jesus Christ is coming back everyone, please don’t worship celebrities and entertainment, focus on Him alone. I promise there’s more to life than money, partying, homosexuality and music. Hell is real, repent from sinning confess your sins and ask God to forgive you, I know He will if you’re sincere. Anyone who thinks the Name of Lord Jesus Christ is a joke, boldly mocks and scorns Him or takes pleasure in people who do is in for a big unpleasant surprise on judgement day IF they don’t repent and follow Lord Jesus Christ. Hell is very hot, people please repent! In the mighty name of Lord Jesus Christ, Amen 🙏💪✝️💜❤️✝️! Idolatry such as, Islam, Catholicism, Sangomaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Santa Clausism, Confucianism, New Age, Science, Evolution, halloweenism, Harry Potterism, Politics, Donald Trumpism, Easter Bunnyism and other religions/faiths that are outside Biblical Christianity lead to hell! Don’t believe them, believe the Almighty God the Father of Lord Jesus Christ, who begot Him. Our Creator, The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is mighty, He doesn’t need a woman to beget a son, He is God. I choose to put my faith in a God who can do anything and everything, a God who has unlimited and infinite power to beget! So, it’s time to confess that Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord and to believe that He died and rose from the grave after three days and you shall be saved if you only obey Him by praying, worshipping, praising, reading the Bible and living holy and righteously according to the Bible. You have to endure until the end, carry your cross daily and build your relationship with God by following Lord Jesus daily until the end. You must never renounce your faith in The Lord Jesus Christ, there’s hell awaiting those who reject/deny Lord Jesus Christ and those who continue living sinfully, even the Christians who don’t want to repent will face the same fate, so please repent beloved people, in Lord Jesus Christ’s mighty and precious Name, Amen.

@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195

Жыл бұрын

I’m curious, I keep seeing people commenting how content creators are deterministic with Kibbe and use it as rules more than guidelines- do you have any such example of a creator? Id like to hear it cause I never saw anyone treating it in that way, but besides Ellie Jean I follow only few more creators and none of them do it

@raqefet.a.yedidia

Жыл бұрын

@@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195 There are some content creators out there that are more strict with the system of David Kibbe. I don't want to name and shame, but the system itself is far more deterministic than, for instance, John Kitchener's system of essences' blend. That being said, my main concern when writing what I've written was mainly regarding the way content consumers will adopt those. Trying hard to find your identity and enjoy a sense of belonging to a certain group, a structured system such as that can lead to a far more deterministic approach than intended by the creator of the system at the time it was created. Such strict adherence may eventually lead not to finding your true self and living up to your full potential, but to narrow yourself down, or worse, to a self-deprecation. As those are not science and when the creators of those systems themselves retype certain people, trying hard to adhere to any such system may well result in incorrect typing to begin with, so....

Thank you, very helpful as a "cute" soft gamine with a gothic fashion style.

@elliejeanroyden

2 жыл бұрын

Aw this is great! Glad you found this helpful ☺️

@missingspot

2 жыл бұрын

same!

@hillarysudeikis2264

2 жыл бұрын

Lord Jesus Christ is coming back everyone, please don’t worship celebrities and entertainment, focus on Him alone. I promise there’s more to life than money, partying, homosexuality and music. Hell is real, repent from sinning confess your sins and ask God to forgive you, I know He will if you’re sincere. Anyone who thinks the Name of Lord Jesus Christ is a joke, boldly mocks and scorns Him or takes pleasure in people who do is in for a big unpleasant surprise on judgement day IF they don’t repent and follow Lord Jesus Christ. Hell is very hot, people please repent! In the mighty name of Lord Jesus Christ, Amen 🙏💪✝️💜❤️✝️! Idolatry such as, Islam, Catholicism, Sangomaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Santa Clausism, Confucianism, New Age, Science, Evolution, halloweenism, Harry Potterism, Politics, Donald Trumpism, Easter Bunnyism and other religions/faiths that are outside Biblical Christianity lead to hell! Don’t believe them, believe the Almighty God the Father of Lord Jesus Christ, who begot Him. Our Creator, The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is mighty, He doesn’t need a woman to beget a son, He is God. I choose to put my faith in a God who can do anything and everything, a God who has unlimited and infinite power to beget! So, it’s time to confess that Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord and to believe that He died and rose from the grave after three days and you shall be saved if you only obey Him by praying, worshipping, praising, reading the Bible and living holy and righteously according to the Bible. You have to endure until the end, carry your cross daily and build your relationship with God by following Lord Jesus daily until the end. You must never renounce your faith in The Lord Jesus Christ, there’s hell awaiting those who reject/deny Lord Jesus Christ and those who continue living sinfully, even the Christians who don’t want to repent will face the same fate, so please repent beloved people, in Lord Jesus Christ’s mighty and precious Name, Amen.

@_kikizaman_

Жыл бұрын

From what you just described, you must be thrilled with Jenna Ortegas Wednesday!!! She’s a soft gamine who plays into that darker side, and damn does she do it well.

Oh man as a soft dramatic with edgy style I was really hoping you’d have something to say on the topic but my type was the only type not really addressed in this video. But I get why, there are very few good examples. I’ve spent my whole life trying to figure out how to look edgy but still respect my lines and you’re right, it’s not easy and it’s not the way the other types do it. I think the secret is in a lot of ways our type on its own quite edgy or intimidating. I used to try to mix in a lot of gamine punk styles and it was very unflattering for whole entire looks, but now I find that if I lean harder into the soft dramatic type I look more intimidating. I would say the distressed thing is also correct. Perfectly following our lines but in darker colors makes us look very put together, diva-esqe, and maybe even unapproachable which is on its own intimidating. Adding in a distressed element (like messy makeup or ripped tights) to that really sends it into edgy territory. There are still some gamine elements in there, like fishnet shirts under my dresses or chokers, but just a very little bit and overall I find that the more soft dramatic I dress, the edgier it is as long as style wise I bring in a lot of punk reminiscent elements, like black and leather and fishnet.

@rory9587

Жыл бұрын

It seems so difficult to find soft dramatic content in general. The outfit examples generally nice but are either from the 1950's or for older women, and I'm in college, I want to dress like I'm in college. However, I'm absolutely all for dressing like Taylor Momsen, so I guess I'll go with that.

@vbnrfys

Жыл бұрын

love the way you describe how hard it is for a soft dramatic to look 'edgier'. To try looking more goth or punk or rock, those styles still require a woman to look cute in her darkness I think. Dramatics, FN and SD send a different vibe, a much more masculine kind of power or edge. How could we look super cute and smallish when we're basically taller than half of the guys around us? Us SD already ARE intimidating in our strong diva essence. :D My tips on how to look edgy and still embrace the tall curvy woman vibes I send to the world: Makeup & hair * dyed my hair black * my hair is long and sleek, so I made it an advantage and they look like a long black curtain that contrasts with my chunky cheeks and lips and bold eyes * either a natural makeup with emphasized brows and 2 layers of mascara or * a thick black winged eyeliner AND smokey eyes at once to emphasize that contrast even more * sometimes a deep red lip too Clothing 'rules' * not just pure black clothes but also dark forest green, ruby red, dark aubergine, deep navy, charcoal grey, and for contrast bright red and pure white, neutral tan (the color of your skin) * use color blocks - combine neutrals with red, or combine neutrals with ONE of the 'more colorful' colors like deep green, navy, aubergine * materials like leather, cashmere, denim, satin, lace, suede * for prints, a schoolgirl-vibe diamond print or b&w leopard print * lines must be contransting, include both skinny and chunky, hugging the body and a bit of separates Outfits * a little washed-out, charcoal grey oversized metal band t-shirt, tucked into hig waisted skinny jeans, black leather belt with metallic ornamemt buck, black leather boots kind of like Dr. Martens that can be chunky in vertical lines (a platform, not heels) fitting the narrowness of the feet and ankles, a relaxed black leather jacket, cropped below the waist, a kind of rocker style, uneven hem, some fussy details like multiple zippers * matte leggings, very oversized tan croptop, oversized white cropped puffer jacket, dr. Martens and a smaller bun on top of the head, black thin cotton bag with logo/print * off shoulders black long sleeve top, black high waisted tight leather miniskirt, black suede boots that cover calfs or even overknee boots, big heavy at least knee- long charcoal grey smoothly fitting wool coat with fur around the neck and wrists, leather gloves * black fitting tank top, low waisted slightly oversized tan cargo pants in thick cotton cut similarly as mumjeans, chains, Dr. Martens * menswear - black high-waisted jeans or charcoal grey wide leg flowy pants, oversized black jacket with angular shoulder pads and slightly longer hemline, tight fitting white tee with round neckline, white sneakers, gold hoops, a rectangle notebook bag * dark mini turtleneck dress hugging the curves, black harness on top, high booties (overknee or lower ones with sexy stockings that have this 'I am wearing overknee socks' feel) * white long sleeve body with scoop neckline, harness, red A-line diamond print miniskirt, sexy stockings, Dr.Martens, long black&red nails * black&white leopard turtleneck, black high waisted skinny jeans, soft suede black cropped jacket lined with black fur, sharp pointed outline booties, red lipstick * white blouse with a deep heart neckline and long sharp puffed sleeves, charcoal grey ripped skinny jeans, Dr Martens * black lace brallete top, wide leg flowy charcoal grey pants, red lips, wet hair style, long earrings, sharp stilletos, a soft black fur to hug around shoulders, metallic bag Maybe it's just me but I feel super edgy & powerful and yet feminine in this kind of clothing

@gingersal8052

Жыл бұрын

@@vbnrfys great advice! Marina from Marina and the diamonds is a SD I think and she sometimes dresses with an edgy vibe.

@evavitina6445

Жыл бұрын

This is perfect, I love your point about leaning into your type to emphasize it. I noticed your section was the shortest but as a classic I also feel let down. My inner style is much more flamboyant natural but looks horrible on me and so I try to incorporate classic lines and I do get a lot of compliments. But the suggestions here were so, so, so boring. Now I am wondering if perhaps as the other barely covered type I should also lean into my type by wearing extremely well tailored clothes...

@marissashea5103

Жыл бұрын

​@rory9587 honestly it really does get exhausting finding a video that says "the secret to soft dramatics" and then the whole video is about some old Holly wood stuff or Sofia Vergara (love her but don't enjoy her style). I don't want to be trendy but I also don't want to wear peplum tops and heavy jewelry

Your videos have helped me so much. I’ve been battling disordered eating since I was a young teen. Your videos have helped me disconnect from the idea that I need to look a certain way to dress how I want. I always wondering why I didn’t look like other beautiful people while wearing the clothes they were wearing. Now I know that I am just as gorgeous as those people, I just wasn’t dressing with my kibbe type in mind; nor was I dressing for the effect I wanted. Thank you so much! Keep on kicking ass!

@LaceyMyriah

Жыл бұрын

How lovely to read! Learning about Kibbe helped me a lot with my eating disorder and self image too!

as a soft classic with alternative style i’ve been struggling to figure this out for my whole life as i’ve always felt I’ve looked like a caricature when i dress more gothic. as there’s so little info about soft classics online, this was so helpful, thank you!!

@Kaybye555

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, we need for info and attention on Classics

@Hanakow

2 жыл бұрын

As a classic, I agree!

@hillarysudeikis2264

2 жыл бұрын

Lord Jesus Christ is coming back everyone, please don’t worship celebrities and entertainment, focus on Him alone. I promise there’s more to life than money, partying, homosexuality and music. Hell is real, repent from sinning confess your sins and ask God to forgive you, I know He will if you’re sincere. Anyone who thinks the Name of Lord Jesus Christ is a joke, boldly mocks and scorns Him or takes pleasure in people who do is in for a big unpleasant surprise on judgement day IF they don’t repent and follow Lord Jesus Christ. Hell is very hot, people please repent! In the mighty name of Lord Jesus Christ, Amen 🙏💪✝️💜❤️✝️! Idolatry such as, Islam, Catholicism, Sangomaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Santa Clausism, Confucianism, New Age, Science, Evolution, halloweenism, Harry Potterism, Politics, Donald Trumpism, Easter Bunnyism and other religions/faiths that are outside Biblical Christianity lead to hell! Don’t believe them, believe the Almighty God the Father of Lord Jesus Christ, who begot Him. Our Creator, The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is mighty, He doesn’t need a woman to beget a son, He is God. I choose to put my faith in a God who can do anything and everything, a God who has unlimited and infinite power to beget! So, it’s time to confess that Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord and to believe that He died and rose from the grave after three days and you shall be saved if you only obey Him by praying, worshipping, praising, reading the Bible and living holy and righteously according to the Bible. You have to endure until the end, carry your cross daily and build your relationship with God by following Lord Jesus daily until the end. You must never renounce your faith in The Lord Jesus Christ, there’s hell awaiting those who reject/deny Lord Jesus Christ and those who continue living sinfully, even the Christians who don’t want to repent will face the same fate, so please repent beloved people, in Lord Jesus Christ’s mighty and precious Name, Amen.

@blondie9909

2 жыл бұрын

Im a dramatic classic and used to be really into looking goth/grunge now i im more flexible with how edgy i want to look and have found its easier to look cooler and still look edgy . Just the other day i had a black mini skirt and black top just very plain and simple really clean lines, put on a white oversized shirt with black vertical like brush strokes (kinda wider lines , but not too much , again the whole moderate patterns thing) and it looked really cool especially with my black heart shaped sunglasses and then a deep muted red lipstick that kinda matches my hair and i have never felt so good about how i looked ! Even the pics were all really cool and i am the opposite of photogenic so i guess this whole kibbe thing really helped me out

@catacombskull

Жыл бұрын

@@blondie9909 aigjt girl but we need pics cuz imagination bad, do you maybe have instagram? Also me as a sc I just wear whatever n hope it doesnt look like a total disaster n w makeup I cant wear dark eyeshadow or even put it under my eyes since that just makes me look cheap so all I can do is eyeliner💀

Interesting that you say promiscuity is a defining feature because when I dress in ways that feel edgy to me I’m more feeling that yes, I’m a very sexual being but don’t touch. It makes me feel strong and independent. It seems like Jo Marsh was the same way.

@Kira_Martel

2 жыл бұрын

This was exactly my feeling as a punk ace teenager. 💜🤍🖤 Very much "this is not for you."

@dianathomas2674

Жыл бұрын

It was about this part I stopped watching. These "edgy" subcultures, as punk, grunge, goth and so forth, were an expression of the opposite and a voice against the obvious promiscuity and superficiality in the music and film industries, and society as a whole. Although outsiders of these cultures would maybe have this type of interpretation, promiscuity is absolutely not included in the description of these subcultures, but political thought, creativity and intelligence -to some degree. These started as an external expression of internal thoughts and feelings, usually as a political protest, but are now copied as an external style by mainstream people without understanding.

@stellashepherd3229

Жыл бұрын

@@dianathomas2674 Agreed! Thank you for putting it so well.

@stellashepherd3229

Жыл бұрын

@@Kira_Martel Yes! I so get that. 😊

I think Zoe Kravitz is a good example of flamboyant gamine who looks edgy quite frequently and, I think, is so beautiful but intimidating in her look. So some flam gams seem to be very naturally 'edgy' to me? Because they have a lot of angularity. I would think any type that has a dramatic element pulls off edgy quite easily : )

@kk-cr4db

Жыл бұрын

I think its mostly because of her face

@5050TM

Жыл бұрын

Fka Twigs too.

Man...I spent 20 minutes waiting for you to get to SD and you spent, like, one minute on it and showed one picture of Christina Hendricks in a slightly faded chambray shirt, looking like a PTA mum.

I'm a romantic but I've never really been into the traditional romantic look (flowers, drapes etc) and light colours, especially being a winter. It doesn't mean I dress edgy all the time but what you said about contradicting the lines is true! If I wear straight lined, flat clothes, I definitely get the edgy look.

great tips as always, thank you! a soft natural with ingénue essence here, trying so hard to not be perceived as “a laid back girl next door, playing costume with her edgy sister’s wardrobe”

Soft Natural Billie Eilish didn't look intimidating or good in the Gamine style, it just looked messy and childish. I think Soft Naturals look edgy when they compromise on 1 of their accomodations, so a SN like Billie imo would look edgy if she just catered to her width and not curves (so FN) or catered to curves and not width (SD).

I believe I’m a very petite romantic with ingénue essence, but I typically bring in contradictory elements to make me seem more dramatic or seem taller, similar to what Kate would do. I loved Taylor Ms styles and her look in Gossip girl was definitely essential in my young inspiration

@essenceocean595

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, I have the same body type and essence as you and was wondering what things you do to look edgier while still maintaining ur figure. I like cropped/fitted leather jackets, black belts with silver/metal details, combat boots,

@sierraking3171

2 жыл бұрын

@@essenceocean595 I definitely love leather jackets and skirts or items with chains, buckles, studs, patches, or rips, I love mesh dresses/tops and will wear a statement bra underneath, I used to be only silver as a teen but the last few years I’ve been incorporating gold and rose gold metals. I have a huge platform shoe collection too

@essenceocean595

2 жыл бұрын

@@sierraking3171 ur seriously edgy! I could never pull off the statement bra under mesh. And Ive also recently been getting into gold as well. Small world

@sierraking3171

2 жыл бұрын

@@essenceocean595 It’s definitely out of my comfort zone but I like that about it. Also for pulling more of my romantic feminine elements I love satin or silk dresses and skirts, off the shoulder tops and sleeves with details like ribbons or puffy sleeves (almost regency or cottage style) I hope this helps!

@essenceocean595

2 жыл бұрын

@@sierraking3171 Definitely! Thanks for taking the time to share with me :)

I'm a TR that has always dressed edgy, and couldn't necessarily describe how. But now I see how (the mixed textures and patterns in particular) and i agree with what you've said for romantics also applying to TR. You've pretty much nailed everything and it's a much deeper look at edgy than I've seen anywhere else!

most of the body types described all look pretty similar in this video... Slim and white 😞 Really can't tell how I'm supposed to tell the difference.

For the 1800s era, during first wave feminism in the Western world, we had the “Rational Dress Movement”, also known as dress reform, which was focused on practically and comfort, and left a legacy of simplifying women’s sportswear. They were also primarily responsible for a lot of the myths about corsets at the time, bad information which still persists today. Proponents of this movement were also linked to progressive-era movements such as women’s suffrage, the temperance movement, abolishing slavery, and “moral purity”, and thought that by changing women’s clothes (primarily white women who were middle class and up) radically away from current/previous fashions, they could completely change women’s role in society and that society as a whole would benefit. (You can definitely hear the echoes of the Puritan movements of the 1600s here!) A related movement, more about the clothes and promoted by artists rather than societal activists, was the Artistic Dress movement, which was first made famous by the artists of the Pre-Raphaelite brotherhood. These men and women, who were also part of the Arts and Crafts design movement which was itself a rejection of mass production/industrialism, were inspired by ideals, art, methods, and materials they associated with the Medieval and Renaissance times. In everything they made, they were espousing simplicity, old fashioned (by hand) craftsmanship, natural colors and high quality materials, and everything was about this aesthetic as a symbol of a more simple and natural way to live and create things. In women’s clothes especially, it was a rejection of even basic fashion, and may have appeared costumey (like most things artists do, it was definitely seen as a bit eccentric/alternative, even as they were all moderately successful in their careers). Men’s clothes were included as well but as their styles didn’t change as quickly, I get the impression that there wasn’t so much of a difference in style to be something that really drew the attention of mainstream society the way the women’s gowns did. This later evolved into the Aesthetic Dress movement, which retained the elements of simplicity of line/construction in clothes, and use of high quality fabrics, and motifs from nature and earlier centuries, but was also a rejection of the Rational Dress movement’s adherence to total practically in clothing and association with morality. Aesthetic Dress was about treating clothes as an art form, an integration of artistic ideals into everyday life, and as something to provide sensuous pleasure and beauty. It was adopted by many bohemian and artist types of the last two decades on the 1800s, and incorporated global influences on silhouettes and fabrics (like from east Asian dress styles) in addition to more nostalgic or old-fashioned silhouettes and hand-work, and could be quite eccentric and showy. This included the men’s fashions; think Oscar Wilde! Definitely “alternative”! It’s quite interesting that through history, alternative statements against mainstream fashion could be either a rejection of a focus on how clothes look, or an embrace of how clothes can look that pushes the boundaries, or both! But in all cases, the clothes were a statement to the world about the wearer’s values and the way of life. No matter how much we would like to not be judged by how we look, and make an effort ourselves to “not judge a book by it’s cover”, fashion choices and how we look is a message, a form of communication we have with all who see us, so it’s good to be able to understand and feel like we have some control over the statements are making!

@elysabethf1644

Жыл бұрын

This is really cool to know! Is there any websites/books that you’d recommend to learn more about the history of western fashion?

I think Kate Moss is the real meaning of effortless edgy style

This makes complete sense bc I believe I'm a gamine, but I usually dress more masculine, and it gives off the edgy vibe I'm going for. On the flip side, when I dress in more classic apparel, I look very formal without trying. Now I know why! But if I try wearing many accessories, or a lot of makeup, I look a hot mess. I do look great with short hair like you said, and when I grow out my hair, I give off a whimsical hippy look which I'm into lol. Just now learning about this. But I think as we age, and our shapes and weight distribution changes a bit, it's probably more difficult for ppl to figure out what they are.

I’m ultra feminine but when I want to feel “edgy” I wear black or dark red vampire inspired clothes. My body type is romantic so I think it fits.

Do I have any interest in making my style more edgy? No. Did I watch the video anyway? Yes.

I'm a stylist creating videos in the same niche and i can tell I LOVED THIS VIDEO especially for the completely unusual point of view you approached this topic!! Not talking about the casual silhouettes but regrouping them. Huge thumbs up! 😊

Yes, thank you so much! I cannot wait to see full series like this 💗 keep on going queen

@elliejeanroyden

2 жыл бұрын

You are so welcome, thank YOU for the comment and support, glad you think you’ll enjoy this series! ♥️

I'm a soft natural that just cut off her long waves into a blunt bob. I was a little concerned that I was going against what I've discovered works well for me and I feel comfortable and confident with, but I just realized I'm simply stepping into my edgy phase and I'm ready. Thanks for helping me figure that out lol

What we see today as alternative is deeply rooted in goth. In the very late 70s and the early til mid 80s that style was defined through music. Look at what people would wear in the batcave for example. For me though I listen to goth music it was always too rigid. So you’re right, everyone needs to find their own style, that fits their type. I am naturally blonde and have blue/green eyes but my skin tone is warm, nothing cool about me. So, I have to wear gold jewelry, silver washes me out. I exclusively wear black, I tried some colors but it just isn’t me. I think , I only truly knew my own style around 26 honestly and now enjoy fashion. When I was a teenager my body type wasn’t in, so I just felt wrong and uninterested in fashion. Now I need to find out my type.

I would really love to see an analysis of each body type for plus-sized women so we can understand how the system works on larger bodies

Loved this and very helpful. I hope you are planning one for each “how to look more ______”. I’m drawn to a little of the romantic, a little natural and are neither of those.

@spacebar9733

2 жыл бұрын

you didn't finish your comment 😝 but yes i definitely agree, I have the most conventionally masculine body type in kibbe but my style is hyperfem :( but hearing them feminine fabrics can make me look edgy is really nice, because I love looking simultaneously edgy.

@jillf4882

2 жыл бұрын

Fumble fingers accidentally posted before finishing.

I'm just discovering your channel and I'm amazed! I'm 37 and decided this year to elevate my wardrobe. There is SO much that goes into that despite sounding quite simple. You've done an excellent job of compiling a huge amount of info from body types and color analysis. I love your style system as well and I truly look forward to using it as I continue to shop and create my own unique style. Thank you!

Your descriptions are spot on! I must be gamine because long dresses make me pop.. I'm so glad I finally started wearing them after years of hearing that they will only make me "look short"

Your hair is so cute! I love how full and almost fluffy it looks

As a Winter and Romantic, I've never tried dressing edgy because it doesn't look natural for me. Most of my clothes are ultra feminine. But this inspired me to try. Edit: Oh wait, scratch that. In my profile pic I dressed edgy. I wore red lipstick, black eyeshadow and all black tight leggings, round black boots and fluffy gloves :p

I've been looking for a video on this topic for a while! And your explanation makes a lot of sense in my own experience.

I love this idea, please make this a series!

This honestly made me think and look back on what I wear I always have had an edgy style (sort of goth) it has softened a bit over the years but I still want to keep an edge to my wardrobe. This has really helped! I don’t know my body type but finding out will really help !!

love the concept and the editing and music are super fun!!!

Being plus sized this just left me super confused and I have no idea what body type I would be. I also tried to picture all of these on larger bodies, but it's very difficult.

@tiffanyblack8755

Жыл бұрын

Aly Art has a test you can take on her channel. Also there's sub-types. Mine wasn't included but the idea of this video seems to be about how to manipulate styles not traditionally flattering and make them work in the way you wish 🫶

@mariayoung7891

Жыл бұрын

Your kibbe body type stays the same regardless of your weight, so there aren't necessarily 'plus sized' Kibbe types. Weight will collect in a different way for each type and your weight hold patterns can actually aid you in determining your type. I see this comment way made a while ago so I hope in the time since you were able to find some resources that have helped you on your Kibbe type journey xx

@xnyroxchannel

Жыл бұрын

Measure urself and see which shape fits those the best, luck!

@Poppykat9866

Жыл бұрын

@@xnyroxchannel FYI, Kibbe has nothing to do with measurements per se, but rather the effect of different aspects of the body in relationship to each other in one person, bone length and thickness, the way flesh rests on the bones, where weight accumulates, how all of these work together to present a certain perception of either yin (soft, rounded, short) and yang (sharp, square, long), and all the combinations in between.

@evemorgan1318

Жыл бұрын

There is a channel called Rose coloured glasses. She did a video on this topic

This is such a genius and original interpretation of a theory. I'm a fan of your mind

I'm a soft classic too and I tried a grunge edgy look in my early high school years.. I looked like... well, shit 😂 Great video by the way, very informative!

@lapetitepoire5

2 жыл бұрын

Ditto. *Everyone* was grunge in my early high school years. It never really worked for me to go edgy (Soft Classic here) but I wore plaid flannel shirts and jeans basically every day for YEARS.

@elisap8671

2 жыл бұрын

@@lapetitepoire5 yes!! Doc Martens and heavy makeup lol. My best friend looked so good in it tho..

I loved this video! I loved your style as a kid! Your true creative spirit shines through! And “Little Jenny” style was my favorite on gossip girl!

@elliejeanroyden

2 жыл бұрын

Aw this is so kind, I was a very creative tween so this is nice to hear! And I LOVE little J she’s my favourite Gossip Girl character for sure!

"Restricting corsets" *Karolina Żebrowska groans* lol sorry, insightful vid otherwise loved it😘

@rae3611

2 жыл бұрын

i think she meant that it "looks" restricting. not literally and physically restricting. more like how it appears more restricting rather than flowy styles

So much valuable info and so well articulated too ❤️ love your channel

Wow! Great video. This was so reassuring. I've recently just learned about Kibbe styling. I'm a dramatic but I wasn't really connecting with my options (although I do love to rock a tailored suit). I felt a bit worried that I had been getting it all wrong (although I thought I looked good and felt like myself). My choices are more romantic (shorter skirts, poofy sleeves, sheer fabrics, DMs). But now I'm so pleased I've been accidentally getting it right this whole time!!!

I'm so grateful I found your channel. I've been binge watching and trying to absorb it all. I am still confused about what i am but after hearing about how wearing black for a winter makes them look more elegant, I'm thinking i must be a winter because that's definitely true of me. Again, thanks for all the material! Its really helpful and very appreciated.

This is an interesting concept. I think a good example of the dissonance you spoke of is demonstrated in Ashley Simpson when she was attempting to look edgy. It never seemed to work for her.

This is really helpful! I liked the comparisons of the different body types wearing the same outfits, it really helped show your point. I’m a soft dramatic and used to always try to look ‘edgy’ in my early 20s and was very rarely successful 😂

I'm excited to a "how to look more ..." series ❤️

oh my days you don't understanddd how much i love taylor momsen she can literally step on me set me on fire throw me off a cliff idc the pretty reckless are one of the best rock bands out there

Abby cox is a great KZreadr who explains a lot about the history of women’s fashion.

I saw Taylor Momson & The Pretty Reckless perform over the weekend. She was definitely doing the edgy look. 🖤

i really loved this video! i would love to see more videos like this for different styles

Punk was the most edgy you could be during the second half of the 70ths and far into the 80ths. During the 80ths "depprock" a'la Joan Jett was also quite edgy. A little bit forecoming the goth style.

great video! totally get what you mean about flamboyant gamines. i have a bit of edginess in my style, but it usually just looks pretty harmonious on me, so if i want to amp it up, i do it through bolder moves like a black lip!

I would love to see more videos like this for different style trends; like 90's fashion / normcore/ classic etc. I think I'm a soft natural but i really like androdygnous fashion for example - I would love to know how to play into that style while still flattering my body type :) thanks so much!

AMAZING video! Reallyyy fun and really informative! please make this a series!!

@elliejeanroyden

2 жыл бұрын

This is incredible feedback, thank you so much!!! ♥️

Thankyou for the info, love your videos! I believe I’m a soft classic and most my life I’ve had more of an edgy style. I feel like you breezed over classics for this and I was looking forward to hearing more. If you have time I’d love to see more info on edgy soft classic/classics

This video just closed a huge gap for me. Thank you a lot for making it. I love edgy styles and ever since I know my type I struggled combining my own lines with the edgy look I love. But I always loved sort of Gamine lines on me (I'm a Soft Natural) and felt drawn to them. I also prefer Flamboyant Natural lines over Soft Natural lines. Maybe I never was off track. I just prefer a different look for myself rather than looking just "pretty". I incorporate Natural lines all the time, and noticed that loose shirts, and more casual clothes don't look sloppy on me either, but I feel "boring" wearing only my own lines. I love adding a little edge to the overall look. I also prefer high necklines and crop tops paired with very high waisted pants. I know how to look chic if I want to, but that's often times not what I really want. Thanks again, I think this was just the missing link I was looking for.

As a winter, i always wondered why id look edgier wearing white and blonde hair instead of my natural dark hair and black outfits, so that's why, thanks :D

Thank you Ellie-Jean, your videos are helping me already so much!

Your videos are jumping in quality! Keep it up! Also, I was wondering if you knew much about how to identify personal color palettes (i.e. Seasonal colors)?

I loved this video, so refreshing point of view on body types and fashion 🖤

Edgy boho is so right for romantics I am one of them and it is the only thing that can make me look edgy instantly. It just looks so messy and dark but somehow it adds a right amount of personality and “idgaf” aesthetic to my persona

@user-me6cf6hr8b

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Also, Thank you for bringing such interesting topics on your channel. Appreciate you ❤🇷🇺

thank you, this was really helpful and well explained :)

This is so cool and so helpful I think I learned a lot and the comparisons of different types with similar outfits was especially helpful!

It’s so wonderful how one can follow their intuition and completely dress their essence. I have recently learnt I am a romantic. When I was younger “rebellious” I would wear mens band tshirts and a lot of black lace. As I got older& tapped into my femininity I was drawn to ruffles and softer fabrics.

@coffintears5821

Жыл бұрын

Good for you I guess??

So insightful! Great video

Great topic. I never thought of anything like this. Also, I adore your kid pictures. Great video.

@elliejeanroyden

2 жыл бұрын

Aw haha thank you, I appreciate that!!

OMG, this video explains a lot!

Ohhh i need a video like this but for boho styles pleeease 😅

@elliejeanroyden

2 жыл бұрын

I will add this to my list!!

this is the video for me. thank you!

loved this!

But Rihanna is the most iconic and edgy Theatrical romantic! Sad you didn't use her as a reference, I was looking forward to hearing more about that as a TR. We are often overlooked and lumped in with pure romantics.

@bonniemasterjohn5440

2 жыл бұрын

I agree! It should be easier to make a TR look edgy, not more difficult. Also, I disagree that winters are rare, and they are not all dark, as a matter of fact they make the best high contrast champagne blondes (and lighter) of any season.

@YearOnACloud

2 жыл бұрын

I thought she was a SD? I'm not sure anymore

@tony7787

2 жыл бұрын

@@YearOnACloud no, I'm pretty sure she's a TR

@Kimmie9553

2 жыл бұрын

@@tony7787 she’s like 5’8” or 5’9”, the cut off for TR is 5’5” so she can’t be

@tony7787

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kimmie9553 Well she was typed by Kibbe himself 🤷. Also Beyonce is about 5'7 and is typed as a romantic, so idk how flexible the rules are.

I just loveeeee your edits

As a soft dramatic, I think I look particularly edgy when I wear for example a boxy, masculine top with a long line on the bottom. In general masculine clothes that make you look broadened in one part of your body, that is contrasted by a more long, (in line with our dramatic line) other item to balance out the boxyness works really well. Due to our softness we often look very feminine, so one item that swallows the frame with harshness makes us look really non-feminine and in turn edgy

This is the exact type of video I have been looking for in the kibbe world for YEARS. Please do this for how to achieve other iconic styles!

@elliejeanroyden

2 жыл бұрын

Yay I am so pleased!!! I absolutely will do this ☺️☺️

Great work really ! Thanks 🫰🏾

This was so helpful!!!

Soft classic here. I think a dark color and a zipper is enough to make me look edgy. Like you, I really needed this info when I was younger 😅

Great video!! I wish you would have mentioned more of the inspo of this trend like Joan jett my muse❤ and betsey Johnson also did this trend of the duality meeting soft femme with skulls + metal. It was such a fun era with her fashion and reminds me of a lot of what you’re speaking on because it’s complimentary even if it’s sharp or contrasted but there is a fine detail to every body type for sure! I love all the examples and comparisons. Well done and Eva green is stunning.. watching her in penny dreadful or womb or even dark shadows because rarely felt like a character and more elegant on her even Jolie didn’t feel as edgy which I would have loved to see as an example too. I really love it tho, it definitely confirms my search for what my type actually is😅

I found that my ideal alternative style was a lot more masculine and androgynous than I would have ever anticipated when I was a younger teen! I struggled to feel comfortable in feminine alt clothing so wearing men's clothes with very heavy dark eyeshadow has become my staple, especially taking influence from the male trad goth styles of the 80's with some 00's influence too. (Also a quick note when mentioning corsets; they were often not the restrictive garment they are made out to be, unless tight-lacing. During the Victorian era, corsets were part of the underwear or foundations and worked in the same way supporting the body that wearing a bra would work today. Tight-lacing was an extreme (and quite damaging) look that very few attempted on a day to day basis. I say this as someone who owns an 1890's style corset and can comment on their practicality/support and surprising comfort!)

Would love this type of analysis for edgy makeup to!

as an edgy flamgam myself, i have to say i entirely disagree about it being hard for us to look edgy. i mean, look at Liza Minnelli, Debbie Harry, or Emma Roberts as Madison Montgomery. i think that combining broken lines, some natural silhouettes, and generally details that can be construed as "edgy" is an excellent way to channel the edgy style. also flamboyant gamines can pull off dark and bold eye makeup very easily. the advice you gave to soft gamines applies to flamboyant gamines as well, so i'm a little disappointed that your section on flamboyant gamines felt so limited. further, even looking at the verified flamgams only, there are a lot of women with very strong features that are not at all cutesy or costumey. sure, the look didn't suit Zooey Deschanel very well, but there are absolutely flamboyant gamines who wear the style well. this is a great video overall, don't get me wrong, i just was expecting a little more from the section on my type.

@caladielz

2 жыл бұрын

I think as a video that covers all body types, we all tend to think our own was not covered enough. I'm a soft gamine, and I feel like my type is definitely harder than FG, which for me she also didn't cover enough xD

@Androgynary

2 жыл бұрын

FG too and yeah, I’d agree that dressing “edgy” is one of the easiest things to pull off personally. Even the way David Kibbe describes FG’s in Metamorphosis translates pretty seamlessly to an edgy style. For example: - “youthfully bold and brassy essence” - “Innately, you are Yang in energy (aggressive and dynamic), Yin in youthfulness (fresh).” - “The underlying theme for your appearance is: "Rules were made to be broken!" - “This is the best way for the world to see your totally unique combination of wit, fire, zest, and spunk.”

@m.aj11

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed! FGs are the epitome of effortless edginess, it's in their very essence. She mentions FGs in lace and corsets as looking like wearing costumes: stuff that is anathema for us and that FGs should avoid like a plague anyway. What is edgy if not FGs in their recommended clothes: ankle boots, cuffed boyfriend jeans and tee with a bold print with a dash of our usual bold makeup (be it accentuated eyes or lips) and tousled hair, I ask you!? 🤭🤘💀

@tojadmordownik

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah... She lost me at that. FG here and I'm THE EPITOME of "edgy", vampiric, dark and extravagant! Biker jackets & contrasting cute dresses, heavy boots, bold jewellery, messy hair in all colours, dark smokey eyes or black winged eyeliner - how is that not edgy?? Zoe Kravitz, Lily Rose Depp, Gwen Stefani, Lisa Bonnet and other iconic FGs - not edgy? Really? I mean... Bish, please.😏

@elizrebezilmadommdo1662

Жыл бұрын

Poppy might also be a flamboyant gamine as well (I could be wrong though), and she wears a lot of edgy outfits. I think she's a great example of someone who pulls it off effortlessly as well.

This was so informative!!!

Okay this was very validating to hear. People say wear fitted tops for romantics etc, but occasionally I like to look more androgynous and edgy. My favorite jacket is a cropped giant 80s/90s style puffy (?) jacket, and I feel really awesome wearing it and tends to get a lot of compliments. It does help my waist by being cropped, but doesn't fit a lot of romantic advice. I never considered that wearing what's opposite can be considered edgy but I totally see it and agree

What a great video!!! Super interesting

This is brilliant. Thank you!

Please do more of these I love it!

Loved this video!!! I think Rihanna is a good example of an edgy theatrical romantic.

Flamboyant Gamine: - make sure you dont look like you’re just wearing a costume - julia garner - tight curls make face look sharper - contradicting your lines makes you look harsher - the dress is very long, contradicts short vertical line - shimmer contradicts sharpness - short on long, sharp on soft Thank you so much! You are so helpful and talented.

Thank you for the video, the information is really interesting and original

@elliejeanroyden

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much, this is really helpful! ☺️☺️

Absolutely refreshing content ✨️💕👌🏻

"very restrictive corsets" bernadette banner, abby cox, morgan donner & co wants to have a word with you.

Thank you, this was so helpful! I am a soft gamine with an ingenue-ethereal- and a slight romantic essence

I would love to see more videos like this! I’m a Theatrical Romantic with a deep love for sharp edges, military styles, stiff fabrics and lots of structure. I’d be so interested in how to lean into that look without -it- wearing -me-.

I love your content and would really like a video for natural flamboyants as I believe this is my type. Thank you 😊

I wanna critique that you are simplifying alternative fashion as “edgy” However, we can’t forget lolita, decora kei, yami kawaii are also alternative fashion even if they aren’t exactly the typical edgy. They are delicate or neon or pastel and that’s just so beautiful about alternative fashion. There’s so much more to it and I would’ve preferred if you addressed that or didn’t use “alternative fashion” and “edgy” interchangeably

Thank you, this is so helpful 💖 it would be cool a video like "look more cute for each body type"

@elliejeanroyden

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely!! I will add that to my list ☺️

Thank you! This explains, why I feel drawn to oversized and masculine styles as a round romantic.

Amazing video as always! Can you do a video for looking feminine for each body type? I'm a flamboyant gamine and it's hard for me to find things to wear for events like school dances or late night outs.

This is so interesting. I'm defintely subscribing. I always love a Victorian look, but can never pull it off because I just look like I'm playing dress up. This applies also to furniture and various other things. I consider myself goth, but always have to keep things simple with just a few nods to goth, though I can go crazy with makeup. I'll be saving up to get your services because this is just so interesting. I would like to see heavier frames addressed. A lot of these people are pretty skinny. So, I'd say like size 10 for short people and up to 16 maybe for tall.