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One of my favorite episodes! Solid squad. Love having Corinne in the conversation. All of the nuggets of knowledge.

Loved this one. Also heavily agree with the opinions regarding the need for careful contextualization of positive doping tests. Let’s have as much empathy as possible for all athletes and refrain from condemnations until malice is proven. This sport is so on the fringe of doping testing legitimacy that we need the empathy to keep the sport healthy for everyone. If these is ever a governing body and consistent implementation of testing for elites, then maybe we can raise pitchforks over positive tests. Until then, let’s all show grace until people don’t deserve it.

Great episode!! the addition of Corrine is great! defo when talking about such specific subjects (as doping), she is so well spoken and educated in sports on so many levels. and making it clear and understandable for the layman. super interesting!

@runsingletrack

4 ай бұрын

Thanks so much! Hope to have Corrine back on many future episodes; she's awesome.

BC100k was such a great experience, but for those of us who aren't 30, 130lbs, and still made of baby shark cartilage, the conditions were sneaky out there. Summary for 90% of the field: If you didn't lose a shoe in the mud of miles 2-9, and didn't get sapped for energy because of that, it was hard to balance the energy costs (HR/TL/effort), to then do "OK" on the mesa drop singletrack, save some for the minor climbs out of bumble bee, and deal with the pretty sandy high water crossings, final climbs to Table Mesa with gunfire on both sides for hours, AND retain enough ankle/calf strength for the last 20+ miles of "Nuthin' but deez ROCKZ" - the weather was perfect, however, but hundreds of folks were surprised by how wild, technical, and rugged sections were. And that last water crossing? High, fast, in a little notch-box passage with high flow nearly swept a few people away. A wild day, with more people running longer at night than they expected. Happy as hell to have finished. ALSO - KUDOS to Brett for the podium at the 60k Sunday!

Love it when Corrine does math live (@9:37). She is always cautious, but that mud got her ankle this time. Appreciate everyone getting together for this podcast!! Awesome!

@runsingletrack

4 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for watching! We sometimes do public math on the show, haha!

This is why I advocate for closed professional starts at major events like golden ticket, WSER, UTMB WS, WTM. The pros have direct access to the start line without needing a shuttle. Just because they can adjust on the fly doesn’t mean it’s the best for competition. It was an unfair advantage for those who received the delayed notice vs those that arrived at 7am.

@runsingletrack

4 ай бұрын

I wonder how far away we are from that world

Love the conversation: thank you and KEEP GOING!

@runsingletrack

4 ай бұрын

Thank you! We won't stop anytime soon..we all love what we do!

Great episode! Thanks for always bringing insightful commentary. On the doping topic, I want to believe the athletes. I also wanted to believe Floyd Landis when he won the TdF. And Tyler Hamilton. These guys had a clean image and tons of excuses at first for why the system was flawed. Landis wrote a book about it. Hamilton suggested the result was due to a chimeric twin phenomena. They were adamant that they were innocent. Until they weren’t. Not even talking about Armstrong here. He was next level in his conjecture and attacks. Until he wasn’t. The tests are so rarely wrong. I want to believe the athlete but I’ve been let down so many times. These guys ruined professional cycling for me. But the Addie Bracy/WSER situation seems harsh. Kudos to Corrine for wrestling with this issue. Somebody go help her out. Thanks again for the awesome episode.

On the doping subject - we need a centralized regulatory body for all of the reason stated. Money is not the only incentive for someone to dope, and this sport is now competitive enough that there ARE people doping whether for ego, money, fame, or whatever else - assuming no one is doping is just naive based on literally every other endurance sport's history. At the same time I don't want to see every exceptional performance with a suspicion of doping. Knowing that the athletes are tested to the same level as other sports would let me appreciate those performances more.

@KTravRuNEr

4 ай бұрын

100% agree

Speaking of expanding the Golden Ticket races to include international races, kind of ironic that an American (Jim W.) wins the Roubion-Nice 115k at Nice Côte d’Azur by UTMB to secure a Golden Ticket. Thanks for the wonderful discussion.

Thanks for another great episode Fin 🎉 really enjoyed it

@runsingletrack

4 ай бұрын

Appreciate ya! Thanks for watching..and I support the 1 n spelling of Finn..team no understanding of consonants right here!!!

Always awesome, thanks! Any word on how to get into the 100km Canyons? Any back doors open? 😛😊😬 I want in!

@runsingletrack

4 ай бұрын

I will hopefully have more clarity to provide on an upcoming episode..I'm not quite sure at this moment, but I'm in touch with some of the folks at Ironman + UTMB..they might be re-opening spots for golden ticket aspirants

Great episode as usual! I do think you all were a bit generous with Stian though (and I understand the reasoning). Sure there's always a possibility that he's innocent, but the chances that chlorthalidone was in a contaminated supplement is about as much as Shelby Houlihan ate a contaminated burrito. Sure it sucks for the sport, and sure he seems like a great guy, but the sport is growing rapidly and money is involved, so we need a way to get a system for year round testing in place sooner rather than later...if we want the sport to continue to grow and still maintain its simple purity. Whether it comes from brands, race registration costs, or a billionaire ultrarunner, it's got to get done. This won't be the last person to get caught.

@runsingletrack

4 ай бұрын

Good points here..side note, Steve - I didn't realize you were such a crusher in Fantasy Freetrail..finally putting two and two together here, maybe we should come to you as the oracle for advice..as always, thanks for watching and for the support

@stevejosepher7787

4 ай бұрын

@@runsingletrack lol...so much luck involved! I was 126th out of 160 in the Hong Kong race! FWIW though, I always use singletrack for info when I'm trying to do well.

Thanks!

@runsingletrack

4 ай бұрын

Ahhh thank you so much

It’s funny, I’m in between viewpoint. I guess I wanna as a spectator. I want to have as many possible superfast elites in a race just to make the day exciting but as an average runner sometimes below sometimes above. I wanna make sure as many of us common people can enter these races you know as possible knowing that you know yeah my time will probably be about double the guy in first place but especially now it’s getting ridiculous but there is a thing that kind of worries me that these races are gonna turn into, especially the big races that your local races are just gonna turn into superstar, elite, festivals, and media kind of things and common people are gonna have harder and harder trouble getting into a big race one of the things I love about running is I can get on the start line with some super fast person maybe not standing right next to him, but I’m running the same races they are and that’s really cool

Awesome episode but we need a race recap of the 60k with Brett and other athletes!

@finnmelanson

4 ай бұрын

Brett demonstrating that media speed!!! Crushed the 60K..perhaps, we'll chat about it on a future Conversational Pace episode..I know he has a vlog dropping soon.

@JuneScapula

4 ай бұрын

@@finnmelanson Ah that’s great! yeah fits perfectly in the speed ultra review ;)

@ConversationalPace

4 ай бұрын

Conversational Pace Vlog Episode coming soon!

@JuneScapula

4 ай бұрын

@@ConversationalPace awesome can’t wait for it!

oh my, like the dream team of trail running podcasts. Throw in DBo and Sallie Mcrae, and it would be. David Goggins would be beside himself with jealousy

@runsingletrack

4 ай бұрын

We will hopefully get Dbo back on soon..and first timers Sally and David one day!

Corinne in the house!

@runsingletrack

4 ай бұрын

Woo woo!!!

Crin and Beret , funny couple 😆

@runsingletrack

4 ай бұрын

they're hilarious

If Black Canyon gets so tight wouldn’t it be a logical step to make this a pacer-free race in order to make this a more level playing field? Clearly a question only a European can ask, I know.

@finnmelanson

4 ай бұрын

I wish we had debated this! Dang, maybe on a future episode

@runsingletrack

4 ай бұрын

Great debate question

The benefit of the doubt being given to Stian is naive at best. Everyone agrees that trail running has a potential doping issue in the abstract, but when an athlete who absolutely dominated the sub-ultra and short ultra scene last year tests positive for a masking agent, we are supposed to believe it was because his multivitamin was contaminated? Occam's razor cuts the other way.

@ROSER6410

2 ай бұрын

I am assuming they know, or are friends with Stian, hence the benefit of the doubt.

Wanna know what’s legal and not legal (enhancing) ask the Russians, their experts.

Burden of proof falls on the athlete? Not really...you are innocent until a doping test shows you are guilty of something. Let's not inverse the roles here please. Though effectively accused as of now rather than guilty yet.

@03bruisercat

4 ай бұрын

Good point. I think she means that once accused through a positive test, the burden is on the athlete. In other words, the positive test creates a rebuttable presumption of guilt.

Cheat Cheat, never beat. DOPERS SUCK!