I knew someone on that plane. Liz Marek was an amazing woman who had walked across the USA on the Great Peace March in 1986. RIP Liz.

@gmar7836

Жыл бұрын

Ohh man I am so sorry. Poor Liz. I hope it was quick for her

@traceynorcross5666

Жыл бұрын

I was a member of a search team at Lockerbie, our tasking was to locate bodies and radio in their locations also to pick up what personnel effects we could so as not to let them fall into the wrong hands. Our drop off point was on an S bend, next to a river on the winding road between Lockerbie and thundergarth church. By the side of this river we found liz marek’s raincoat, hanging from a tree, identified by her British railcard in the coat pocket. I thought she might have been English but would later learn that she was an American after reading about her in “ on eagles wings “. I’m sorry for your friend and all victims of this diabolical tragedy for those alive and dead and feel better in myself for sharing this with you. On behalf of all the search teams I can say, for us, it was 3 days of fear, sadness and utter bewilderment. Respect from UK.

Denice O'Neill, age 21, was on Pan Am Flight 103. She lived across the hall from me at Hampshire College in Amherst, Massachusetts, and used to come over and watch TV in the evenings with me and my roommates. She was a pre-med student and was returning to the U.S. after working for two and a half months at a hospital in Nigeria. She was in seat 38K.

1988 was a bad year here in Scotland. Between this tragedy and the disaster on the Piper Alpha oil platform, many lives were lost. I was 10/11 that year and live(d) in a small village in the north west highlands and it turned out that one of our teachers lost a relative in Lockerbie. I felt so bad for him and for the children in and around Lockerbie - they didn’t get to celebrate Christmas that year and it wasn’t fair on them.

Yes, thanks for sharing this perspective. I was also 3 years old when this happened and lost a member of my family, so it's really helpful to understand how the news was shared in it's original context (since I have few memories from the time period).

@irenedavo3768

6 жыл бұрын

Matthew Hurst who did you loose?

@dominewimbury2039

3 жыл бұрын

@@irenedavo3768 nosey

@aviatrix91

3 жыл бұрын

@@irenedavo3768 Why does it matter?

I can remember watching Magnum Force with my parents and the news flash came on. My dad's brothers were in Fife and I remember the look of sheer fear on their faces. I was 11 yrs young.

30 years ago Lockerbie remembered 21/12/1988 - 21/12/2018

@Fay_F_2

3 жыл бұрын

PiggyWiggyO tragic so devastating 🥺

Thise is the day i was born..painful.may their soul rest in peace

As unfortunate and horrible now as it was then, the Pan Am executive’s statement at roughly 12:59 was an absolute lie.

Pan Am was terribly sloppy with their interline baggage transfer security. Had they been more responsible, perhaps they would still be in existence!

@maryhlad5277

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. The Pan Am Flight 103 disaster was the final nail in the airline’s coffin. Pan Am went bankrupt 3 years later.

Overnight programming on ITV in 1988 were not seen or networked across ITV, this meant ITN regular news updates would be seen in many regions at various times. It seems all ITV regions united on this night, to bring a proper live ITN News report during their overnight schedules.

I always remember that night. I was out drinking in the Trough of Bowland and we had come out of a pub just after 7pm. It was a clear starry night and me and a mate just happened to look up spotting a plane's lights going north. It was a large plane anf I always wonder if it was this flight we actually saw!

@dominewimbury2039

6 жыл бұрын

Andy Cleaver could have been sadly

@aviatrix91

3 жыл бұрын

It definitely may have been; however, London Heathrow is a busy, busy airport, especially in the evenings during that time. I always wonder about how the people who were on the last flight before the fatal incident feel, knowing they escaped certain death. Not only on Pan Am 103, but on TWA 800 as well. The last flight before TWA 800, was flight 880, flying from Rome to JFK. The only difference was Pan Am 103 was intentional, brought down by terrorists. TWA 800 was an accidental twist of fate. Either way, it was so cruel. RIP to the people of those flights as well as the 11 on the ground in Lockerbie, Scotland.

@slydawgg

3 жыл бұрын

It took off at 6:30pm if that helps...👍

@aviatrix91

3 жыл бұрын

@@slydawgg Yes! It left the departure gate at 18:05 and was "wheels up" at 18:25. Contact was lost at 19:03 on 21, December, 1988.

Can't even imagine with what's going on in the minds of the doctors and nurses, after the initial rush to get ready for what possibly was a massive casualty event, only to be told that no one would be coming because everyone is dead.

@Chronically_JBoo

2 жыл бұрын

That happened at 911 in the USA

All the airline industry had to do was learn from Air India 182 and this doesn't happen. Disgraceful that it took two tragedies to enforce passenger-baggage reconciliation.

@stevechristie2569

3 жыл бұрын

2009 JFK to EDI an Iranian I was travelling with was delayed by immigration exit interview and didn't make the flight but his baggage did

@henryfox6293

Жыл бұрын

2 tragedies? There were dozens of plane bombings before this, and columbian terrorists blew up a plane the very next year

I am still disturbed and my heart still bleeds whenever I think of this unspeakable tragedy !

Terrifying to be underneath it. What could you do, so dark and pieces falling all around you. Nightmarish.

@aviatrix91

2 жыл бұрын

That would be a nightmare! There was a military chopper on maneuvers when TWA 800 exploded. They ended up underneath the aircraft and were lucky to escape without damage.

@margaretbanks8969

Жыл бұрын

Must have been like being under v2 in the war. When the engine cut out you had minutes to get to safety

tonight in 1988. Wednesday 21st December. 28 years ago. RIP xx

25 years ago today. Never forgot that fateful Wednesday evening on December 21, 1988. RIP to all the 270 victims :(

I was at ITN manning the VT80 graphics engine this fateful night doing the maps. In retrospect I might not have put a ground shadow for flight that was happening at night.

@garrysimpson1395

7 жыл бұрын

Hello Peter. Was it true that Lorraine Kelly was first on the scene for T.V. am? As some one with a satellite dish I saw SKY NEWS cover this event as part of their test transmission. Even though Sky was still six weeks ago from beginning broadcasting.

@PeterKwanvt80

7 жыл бұрын

I haven't got a clue about that. I was on my way home to bed when breakfast TV was taking over.

@garrysimpson1395

7 жыл бұрын

Thank You Peter. Such a pity that Grampian Border and Television South-West are no longer with us. Do you still work in the media?

@garrysimpson1395

7 жыл бұрын

I love Teletext. Had my first Ceefax/Oracle set in 1976. When the Cable was always sodden and the T.V. Repair man had to come every other week. No Alternative Facts on Teletext. Still broadcasting in Germany The Netherlands and Italy. Thank You for your reply. From The New Forest. GOD BLESS!

@jamesmitchell1909

6 жыл бұрын

How interesting thanks for sharing that info

Thanks for sharing this different news perspective to what I have seen before. I was only three at the time so haven't got any memory of it. We lost my Nan on Christmas Eve, three days after this. Terrible Christmas for us and hundreds of other families. Can hardly believe it's been 25 years ago this December :-(

The nurses ready for duty, waiting for survivors that never came... devastating.

I remember seeing the news report(s) about this on TV that night. Awful. Just so awful. RIP to all who died in this atrocity. 😪

I was 9 I remember the news, RIP

4:54 Cardiff wasn't doing too well in wales so moved north to the scottish borders.

@nicopatrizi1953

4 жыл бұрын

Carlisle probably was

@madabbafan

3 жыл бұрын

If it were in the 90s or early 2000s they could have blamed 'auto correct'

Sad day. 31 years ago it was a sad night for so many families. On this night I want to remember the fallen. RIP

Pan Am never recovered from this tragedy.

31 years ago today the regiment I was in was involved in clear up of this hard to believe

THE FOUR TOPS WERE DUE TO FLY ON THIS FLIGHT BUT CANCELLED AT LAST MINUTE.

@colinjennings3661

3 жыл бұрын

As was Johnny Rotten and his wife.

@kisha1682

Жыл бұрын

My mother was a good friend to one of their wives. Her name was Val and she died last year at 80.

The networked film Magnum Force with Clint Eastwood started at 10:35pm and finished at 12:50am when this special edition news started and the plane was originally due to take off at 6pm but was delayed by 25 minutes

I was 16, flew to London with family for a vacation (from US) on Dec 27. Needless to say we were a bit unnerved. We flew out of Gatwick to go home a week later and security was super tight.

I also have a recording of this very broadcast of Magnum Force on Central, but the person recording stopped the tape a few seconds into that first Central ident, and paused recording during the intial news report.

So damn cruel.

I was not born when this happened but I have heard about it and I wanted to learn more. It must have been awful for everyone involved and I can't even imagine what they all went through that night. RIP to everyone who died on PA 103

This was the start of a string of Christmases overshadowed by tragedy or war. 1988 Locherbie 1989 Panama Invasion and the hunt for Noriega. 1990 The final build-up to the first Gulf War. As Christmas 1991 rolled around, I wondered what was next.

@mickeymouse9368

7 жыл бұрын

9/11

@hoss73ford

7 жыл бұрын

Don't forget the Arrow Air crash on 12/12/1985 in Gander, Newfoundland. 248 US servicemen killed. Still churns my stomach even though I didn't know anyone on board

@jamesmitchell1909

6 жыл бұрын

Mark Muffs zeebrugge boat tragedy the 80s were awash with disasters

@jamesmitchell1909

6 жыл бұрын

airdriver the 80s were awash with disasters

@davemcmahon4045

5 жыл бұрын

1991 was a joyous christmas 4 news at it was the break up of the soviet union

29 years ago on this day .all i remember was we hadn long finished school for christmas.and this was all over th tv .4 days before christmas.

I was 10 at the time...stories like this bewildered me.

Horrible to think about. Falling out of the sky 6 miles up. The poor people. And the woman who was interviewed who traveled from Frankfurt on the plane but got off at Heathrow who described the middle eastern man checking something in at Frankfurt , well that could have been the man who checked the briefcase with the bomb in.

@ianmarshall2720

3 жыл бұрын

The bomb was checked on the plane before Frankfurt.

@mrkipling2201

2 жыл бұрын

That’s true. I made that comment before I knew that. Air Malta flight wasn’t it??

So they lied since they had received a bomb threat indeed. Also, several mistakes seen without searching... Cardiff for Carlisle, the times of the last communication and crash also not accurate. They say 258 fatalities (passengers), but that's because one cabin attendant was called to work the flight at the last minute and her name had been added in pencil, thus it didn't show in the original records.

rip i remember this i was still at the school rip

@johannamix966

6 жыл бұрын

BlytheWorld1972 me too I was sixteen in lower sixth form ! Awful event

@loulou7963

4 жыл бұрын

johanna mix me too. I left school that year 👍

4:57 - Unacceptable mistake. Confusing Cardiff with Carlisle.

Magnum Force was actually during Cult Encounters season on Anglia TV which i'll upload the ad breaks in the new year

Johnny Lydon (Sex Pistols), Matts Wilander (great tennis player at the time) and Kim Cattrell (Sex in the City) all had tickets for that flight but for various reasons, did not board it.

@dominewimbury2039

Жыл бұрын

And The Four Tops

12:54 Question > Did Pan Am receive any kind of threats Answer > NO We now know that was total BS. Several high ranking officials and diplomats who were privy to this information cancelled their flights.

@jamesmitchell1909

6 жыл бұрын

poodtang1 really ? Wow I did not know that so they had information of that magnitude and didn't warn anyone or was the info regarded baseless ?

@dominewimbury2039

5 жыл бұрын

@@jamesmitchell1909 pan am didn't warn the public about a threat of a bomb on the plane they had received about two weeks before this. They didn't think they needed to know. How stupid! I heard that on an American news report from the time which is now no longer available on KZread.

@SpeccyHorace

5 жыл бұрын

@@dominewimbury2039 Well you can find it on Wikipedia too.

@pianoman1396

5 жыл бұрын

Domine Wimbury the problem is the bomb threat was vague. It was made to the US Embassies in Helsinki and a second place (I forget where). Whether or not they forwarded this to Pan Am is something I’ll have to check, but I believe the threat was against *an* American plane, rather than a specific one. If Pan Am were aware, they’d clearly decided it would be uneconomical to ground all their flights (which is ironic, considering the fallout from this tragedy bankrupted them).

@Gatazaf

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly PanAm had got a threath before but they didn't do anything about it

He was speakin to scottish atc based at prestwick at the time ba757 crew headin Heathrow glasgow shuttle saw the fireball while starting descent to glasgow

Quite unbelievable that you either died or survived. No serious long term injuries (apart from the mental scars). I'll never forget that. I didn't know about it until the morning when I was eating my breakfast before the last day of school. I just remember seeing the burning houses and then my teacher, who was originally from the borders being very upset that day. A horrible event, the kind of which is thankfully is few and far between these days and the town of Lockerbie thankfully has managed to move on whilst remembering the dead in a dignified manner. Hard to believe that it will be thirty years next month.

@tiadaid

Жыл бұрын

According to a coroner's inquest, apparently 2 of the victims COULD have survived had they been found quicker. Now that is a sucker punch, to be honest.

3:04 that Lalo Schifrin Dirty Harry music and imagery fit eerily into this broadcast.

The plane flew over my house one minute before the explosion. It could easily have been my street and my village. Shudder to think

Many schools in the UK broke up on that day for the Christmas Holidays

I was a little boy and I remember this strange period at the end of the 80s when there seemed to be a lot of horrible events in the UK. It seemed like every few months something happened.

This was just awful, awful, awful. It happened 31,000 feet up in the air and those people had no idea. I just hope it was really quick for them. I don’t even want to try to imagine the explosion and how it took place and what those people felt and went through. I don’t even wanna imagine it

Our middle school hall in Bellingham in Northumberland was used to store the various bits that were found around Kielder forest.

@sarahmiller4734

Жыл бұрын

All of the pieces of the plane still exist.

Good old Gaddafi sponsored this horrendous act of terrorism. I was based in Gibraltar serving with the RN at the time. We sailed towards Libya and viewed American bombers flying over heading for Tripoli. Sorry we missed him, but his support for the IRA made him worse than Saddam.

Johnny rotten (John lydon) was meant to be on that flight with his girlfriend but he over slept and missed it. I bet he couldn’t believe it seeing it on tv later that night. I know i wouldn’t. So the next time someone moans at you for oversleeping say there is a good reason why I do it.

@richardwarren1718

4 жыл бұрын

Motown's "The Four Tops" were originally booked on this flight but decided to stay in London another day for one more performance . The show's producers reasoning made sense, "hey guys, it's not like you're in London everyday. Why not stay and do one more show? Who could have known?

@MultiJames95

4 жыл бұрын

@@richardwarren1718 And they left London on a later British Airways flight. But don't forget Kim Cattrall. She was supposed to be onboard the plane but she changed her reservation so she can go to Harrods to buy a Christmas present for her mother.

@rheinnon

3 жыл бұрын

Kim Cattrall was also supposed to be on that flight, but she decided to change flights to do some last minute shopping.

May God have mercy on the souls of the victims of Lockerbie, MH370 and also, MH17.

@crystalsunraynotdufriend8629

6 жыл бұрын

Tripp1993 shut up and get over it losers

@mandh14

5 жыл бұрын

@@crystalsunraynotdufriend8629 harsh lol

19:31 there was 258 people on board, not 273.

Pan Am flight 103 took off from Heathrow at 6.25pm and disappeared from radar screens at 7.03pm because I remember This Is Your Life was on BBC1.

@darren2514fv

7 ай бұрын

This Is Your Life was on ITV Wogan had just started

First and foremost, respect and sympathy for all victims. What I find atrocious is that the governments know that something is pending and don’t step it ip. Warnings were evident for PanAm 103 and for 9/11 yet the terrorist acts were still carried out.

8:26 Some people are having fun, entertainment has arrived. How soulless people can be.🤨☹😡

i cant believe it's 25 years since this awful event happened i was 11 at this time and i just finished school for the christmas holidays. it was all over the tv screens st that time though none of us thought it was a terrorist bomb.whoever did this deserved everything they get!

Cardiffs moved a bit

i like the anchors haircut

@Fay_F_2

3 жыл бұрын

Dix Curbmaster yes

Hmm so the film was Magnum force which was mentioned by Sandy Gall

@neilrobinson1815

5 жыл бұрын

his f film

Jon Snow,now a presenter of Channel 4 News but still an ITN prduction.

@garrysimpson1395

9 жыл бұрын

***** Thanks Noel, It was John Snow at 16;13 because he was tge diplomatic editor at the time for ITN and more persifficly NEWS AT TEN.] Also a young Loranne Kelly was a reporter for TV am in Scotland and this was SKY NEWS first report on an EMERGENCY TEST TRANSMISSION on the ASTRA SATELLITE. But what is the REAL TRUTH. Thank You for your reply A very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you Noel. GOD BLESS!

@garrysimpson1395

9 жыл бұрын

***** Quite Correct rowan,but at 16;13 that was [a younger .Jon Snow Alastair Stewart started his carer here in the South of England with Southern Television.

At 12:46 there is the kind of speech I often make myself! It's strange to hear it on video because I have never done so before. I use 24 hour time in routine speech, although in most foreign languages, which evolved in areas without the inequalities in day length found in Britain, it is hard (or strange) to say things like "nineteen seventeen". People sometimes laugh when I say "I will be back at eighteen", which means six PM of course, but I assume they can understand.

Gawd bless em all :'( RIP xx

who knew what and when the mystery thats still unsolved or hidden i was in the pub with my best mate when it came on news a christmas night out and lived in dundee scotland then the night was cold and moon stars in sky clear as day

31,000 ft - which is 372,000 inches

Peace

13:04 liar pants on fire

there were no threats of terrorism? what about the bulletin sent out to american carriers, weeks prior?

@kelleyhelms3826

3 жыл бұрын

I read about a warning that was sent to the American Embassy in Helsinki Finland two weeks before this happened. Said there would be a Pan Am flight enroute to New York would have a bomb on the plane from what I remember.

On the map does somebody Have no idea of England It shows Cardiff not carlisle

13:00 what a big fat lie

Why has the man in beige jumper got a scottish accent i remember this very clearly he was a scouser cos my husband knew him what's going on why is it voice being dubbed over

I wonder if the flight recorder was ever retrieved and listened to??

The bomber of Lockerbie is also responsible for blowing up Air india 182 in 1985.

@glennspeirs512

6 жыл бұрын

Dave Shields don't know where you get your info from you are mis informed

@hienki-61-d48

6 жыл бұрын

+Dave Shields God! Your stupid!

@GoatAndDog

6 жыл бұрын

Don't blame them Okha Cherry Blossom they probably got their information from AJ(+)

@TheKonga88

4 жыл бұрын

He was responsible for the transportation of giant queen ants to Arizona where the they laid their eggs.. The eggs will hatch in 2022 and giant ants will rule the world..🐜🐜🐜🐜🐜🐜🐜🐜🐜🐜👸👸🐜🐜🐜🐜🐜🦸‍♀️🍭🍬🎍

@davemcmahon4045

4 жыл бұрын

@Ekaterina H Was the Air India 182 bomb a revenge attack for the golden temple of Amritsar attack