I don't criticize him and support him where we agree because we need every good ally at this time against evil at its worst manifestations.

Snarkily asking should we care what Mel thinks equates to should we care what you or I think too.

'The greater majority of Church leaders and the emperors fell into support for Arianism, so much so that Jerome (340-420) wrote of the period: "The whole world groaned and was amazed to find itself Arian".[23] He, Athanasius, even suffered an unjust excommunication from Pope Liberius who was exiled and leant towards compromise, until he was allowed back to the See of Rome. Athanasius stood virtually alone against the world.[34]' wikipedia. Can we substitute Vigano for Athanasius? One aggravating factor against that is that Vigano stated that the Pope is not the Pope, in addition to attacking the Council. This may keep him from getting back in...ever.

I commend Tim for his humble approach to all this. His search for the truth seems genuine.

Check out the podcast with Robert Moynihan and Dr Edmund Mazza regarding the vigano excommunication. History shows vigano is not a schismatic and is not excommunicated

Vigano is 'Benedict is Pope", so only since Pope Benedict died is the papacy empty

There were several burnt offerings during WW2, Dresden and Japan cities such as Tokyo were some of the worst. But the most famous one with the alleged 6x10^6 is the one I have issues with, now if that number was closer to 60,000 I would have a much easier time believing it. That and the fact that all the supposed d-camps just so happened to be located in areas the USSR took control of after the war, I should note the USSR refused to allow the Red Cross access to corroborate these claims. Are you inclined to trust the NKVD/KGB? I believe there are something like 15 million of those people alive at this time and if you correlate with what their population likely was in the early 20th century when the total population of earth was 2 billion it’s entirely plausible that there weren’t even 6x10^6 of them on the entire European continent.

I would say "no" because carrying too much about what others think about OTHERS salvation is just noise the devil will use to distract us and perhaps steal our peace. We could do better to just focus on ours and those in our charge's salvation. THAT is what we have control over.

Timothy Gordon Weighs in on Vigano Excommunication (should we care?!)

Didn’t St Bellarmine say “they have the buildings and we have the Faith.”

Mel Gibson is a proper masculine man who wont "tow the line" with child abusers and those who protect them.

Since a sitting pope holds all the power how do the bishops get rid of him if he is manifestly a heretic? Well, you resist him by exposing him and campaigning against him, in a word, through politics---by "hook or crook". The end justifies the means here because the salvation of souls are at stake, which is the supreme law of the Church, and why it was instituted by our Lord in the first place.

The catholic faith is in the Creeds. You don't have to guess or speculate or make up various complex situations A-Z. "This is the catholic faith....." It's what you confess on Trinity Sunday etc.

What is hard in this whole thing…is that a super faithful and relied on son of the Church, Vigano, who apparently ran Rome and was called the “Mayor of Rome”…has, in a mere 10 years, come to excommunication….this is odd. Also, how will he be viewed in history?I wonder what this pontificate would have done with Catherine of Sienna and many others that put truth to power? ….I don’t know…I am continually grateful for extraordinary grace on all our behalf’s.

God bless you and your family Tim.

Tim, one of your best shows ever was when you were recording a show from your RV or perhaps it was in the hospital itself while Abby was there and you were talking about pain and suffering.

I would like to vote for the show on schism requiring innovation. It sounds good but there is a lot there. Worth a discussion.

The more I listen to Catholics trying to get around Vatican 2 and the fruits there of the more I have to consider what the seds have to say

Yes I care what MG thinks. I love Mel. I pray his salvation is not compromised with his beliefs.

I remember hearing years ago, even decades ago, although not made by Catholics or even written by a Catholic (Franz Werfel), how a common reaction to "Song of Bernadette" was that a large number of non-Catholic audience members of the time actually discussed and considered conversion to Catholicism. I never heard of any reaction like that to "Passion of the Christ", not on a large scale anyway. I do like "Passion" as visual art but I don't know that I think of it as a Catholic movie in terms of something specific to the Catholic religion presented as food for thought for the audience. It's not really even in a conventional story telling form, something that Gibson himself pointed out, in order to emphasize the visually artistic aspect of "Passion of the Christ". He even released a companion book that came out at the same time as the movie with the artwork that influenced the movie. He said he originally wanted it without subtitles because he thought of it as being so strongly visual, as a refection of or as some kind of re-creation of Renaissance art.