Wouldn't it be funny if the Linus Tech Tips video from a few years ago was partially responsible for the growth of the Linux desktop?

@habios

2 ай бұрын

Linus was the spark that heated the fight between pop_os! and GNOME that caused COSMIC to become a thing, but the ones responsible for market share increase is still Valve and Microsoft.

@fuseteam

2 ай бұрын

probably part of the reason xd they also cover linux from time to time, even if it's just a reference/cameo

@MyReviews_karkan

2 ай бұрын

A lot of big tech channels cover Linux actually. It's getting a lot more attention nowadays

@lusa3002

2 ай бұрын

The steamdeck is the mayor reason that linux is growing up and the Microsoft scum tactics on windows Os.

@mhavock

2 ай бұрын

OFC not, you would need to have real skilled people to use Linux for tests. Why would he "Waste time and money" doing something worthwhile and ethical. 🤣🤣🤣

With the Chrome browser being decoupled from ChromeOS, it's Gentoo w/ a window manager. So yes, it should be counted.

@CommodoreFan64

2 ай бұрын

I agree 100%, plus Valve has been able to port STEAM for Linux over to Chrome OS without too many issue even it's currently in flux between Alpha/Beta status.

@michael_tunnell

2 ай бұрын

Hold up, ChromeOS is becoming a real distribution and not just a glorified browser OS?

@CommodoreFan64

2 ай бұрын

@@michael_tunnell Yeah it's been slowly doing that for a few years now, with being able to install .deb packages on compatible devices, and Google making the free version based on Chromium, called Chrome OS Flex(formally Neverware CloudReady OS Home Edition) for most X86 64 bit hardware if you know where to find the ISO, but you need etcher to make it bootable, as they use a weird file structure. So yeah eventually Chrome OS will just be another Linux distro based on Gentoo, but able to use .deb packages with Google's touches all over it, so I say if it if gets people off Microsoft, and Apple products then I'm all for it. Also there is a recent LTT video you should watch titled "Chromebooks are going to take over" that goes further into this.

@michael_tunnell

2 ай бұрын

I know they have been making it possible to run Linux apps on Chrome OS but that is not a supported action last I checked. They also make it quite difficult to put anything else on their machines other than Chrome OS which is a problem too. It's getting better but still an issue. Chrome OS Flex seems like a enterprise tactic to get people to use Chrome OS on stuff they already have rather than making it more accessible like a typical distro. I dont know, I am just skeptical of Google I guess

@CommodoreFan64

2 ай бұрын

@@michael_tunnell I can't say I blame you for being skeptical, as I am a bit as well, but it's far more than most big companies are doing, and again I'm all for it, if it gets people off MS, and Apple, but far as running Linux apps on Chrome OS as I said on supported hardware, you just go into the settings, search Linux, and click a toggle switch, agree to some prompts, wait for Chrome OS to do it's thing for it to enable, and you're off, and running.

for wayland to be a real option, 1. it HAS TO support a remote desktop solution other than vnc. especially with all the home office stuff going on. you dont want to force us back to windows. and 2. performance inside vm guest mode has be better, 10-20% cutt off against xorg is simply painful.

@michael_tunnell

2 ай бұрын

1. Agreed. 2. Which VM tool are you using?

@DCM777.

2 ай бұрын

And 3 support older Nvidia drivers!

It was kind of weird that Linux From Scratch didn't support Vulkan for quite some time until it got support about 3 months after V12.0 released and got pushed to the development. As for whether LFS is a distro, it kind of is because it's completely reproducible and has two files created at the end, both in /etc: os-release, lsb-release. They tell applications which distro you are using and the LFS guide tells you to create the files and call the distro Linux From Scratch. It's a weird thing. Regardless, I'm happy 12.1 released although I adopted glibc-2.39 day 1 and went off-roading with no consequences which feels pretty cool, so the book releases are more of a suggestion lol. Because the guide is educational, you eventually learn how to do a lot of things without the guide and you can go off-roading despite certain things not being in the book, like Wine or Steam for example.

Red Hat Enterprise Linux announced that RHEL 10 would be Wayland only by default, so the Fedora move doesn't surprise me.

@michael_tunnell

2 ай бұрын

That’s true it’s not surprising but RHEL 10 is not expected until 2025 I think, that’s why it’s notable. But I agree with you

Paid for Linux distros are fine as long as the free or "Core" version isn't served up as crippleware with important features limited or removed. I.E. The fee provides more out of the box as a convenience for those who don't want to go through the effort of customizing and adding to the base distro. The danger is that at some point in the future the Core version might be dropped. As long as that doesn't happen I'm fine with fees for those who want to buy convenience.

There should be a Open Collective Support Group that is dedicated to helping users understand what each open collective firm does :D

X-stream or put your worries A-wayland, hilarious Michael. Thanks for another gr8 show and have fun at Scale.

On the question of who still uses GTK2, another example would be the Calf Plugins that many have used on their Linux DAWs even though those packages currently have no maintainers. Just saying.

if chromeos had its own flatpak remote and supported flatpak; i would count it as a linux distro

@CommodoreFan64

2 ай бұрын

Currently you can install .deb packages on Chrome OS, so I think that's good enough for me.

I am waiting for kde 6 on opensuse tumbleweed

One thing you failed to mention is that IBMs R&D center is in Rochester.

Thanks for the news!

In my new position they allowed to me to develop (I am an embedder fw developers) in Linux, and this is going very well, so for me this is the year of Linux in the desktop.

I could imagine that linux will break 5% or even 6% this year :) (if it keeps growing at this pace (~0.2%/month))

Thanks for the news Michael, and congratulations for the 30k subs 🎉

What we need is a universal peripheral control app that controls pwm fan/pump speed of coolers and fans + rgb lighting of keyboards, mice, coolers, GPUs, memory modules, fans, led strips etc... None of the companies that make these hardware offer Linux option: Razer, Steelseries, Logitech, Asus, MSI, Gskill, Gigabyte.

@michael_tunnell

2 ай бұрын

That would be nice but likely incredibly difficult to build because hardware support is a pain to reverse engineer

@solodagci

2 ай бұрын

@@michael_tunnell Well, Microsoft is doing it. They integrated a tool that makes just this in Win11. I think Linux should have this too.

@michael_tunnell

2 ай бұрын

99% of all peripherals work in Windows by default, some exclusively Windows like Razer products, Razer doesn’t even support macOS. This is a very very easy thing for them to do compared to Linux or even Apple and yet it’s still taken them 30+ years to attempt it. Yes, it would be beneficial for Linux or any OS to do this but the complexity involved is massive. For context, this is so difficult to do that let’s take Razer for example again, there is a project created by the Linux community to support their hardware and only their hardware and yet they don’t support every Razer product. This is because they have to reverse engineer support for every product with zero help from the company. This is only one set of products from one company, multiply this to the amount of companies and the products from each and it’s a ton. This would be nice to have support for everything but “universal app” doesn’t work when companies don’t care if their products work on our platform and other companies actively try to stop them from working. The process of making the entire line of products from a company work fluidly in Linux is a very big hill to climb but the amount of effort required to support everything universally that makes Mt. Everest look like a speed bump.

I don't see a problem with a paid version of a disto, especially if there's a free version as well. My strong (if naive) belief is that users should support, financially or otherwise, the distro they use on a regular basis. Even if one holds the debatable opinion that devs should work for free for the common good, hosting, bandwidth, etc. cost real money. I'm not a Zorin user, but it sure looks like a great replacement (along with distros like Linux Mint and Pop!OS) for all those Windows 10 users with older machines that will be staring down the barrel of EOL in a year and a half. I'm afraid most of those folks with cave and buy new computers (consigning to e-waste perfectly good machines) or continue to run an unsupported OS.

Hey Mike I need some advice from a Linux power user. How do i stop the Black screen glitch on Linux Mint 21? I'm using a New BMAX Laptop.

@michael_tunnell

2 ай бұрын

I don’t know what is causing your issue and it could be a ton of little random things. The best option is for you to contact the Linux Mint team through their support forum and have them troubleshoot the problem with you. I have not used Linux Mint on any of my machines in over a decade so I can’t really offer much help in this case because of that.

Linux is the best OS and KDE is the best DE for Linux!

@DCM777.

2 ай бұрын

AMEN

@SleepTime-Dark

2 ай бұрын

Couldn't agree more, also hyprland is the best WM!

Congratulations on 30k subscribers! You deserve it and more.

Observation: When did KeemStar start doing linux news? As usual great content dude.

@michael_tunnell

2 ай бұрын

LOL that’s funny and yea I see it now 🧢

My main gripe with pacman is you can do pacman -Sy but doing so will probably break something sooner or later, you should always do -Syu, so why have the option?

@michael_tunnell

2 ай бұрын

Agreed and also some people do Syyu but that can also break things sooner or later but again why is it there 🤷‍♂️

2 ай бұрын

@@michael_tunnellExactly my point. If I do dnf upgrade I know what I'm getting, if I do dnf refresh-cache I know what I'm getting

@DCM777.

2 ай бұрын

I always do yay, that upgrades all and never had a problem.

2 ай бұрын

​@@DCM777.yay, as per the Arch wiki, is unsafe due to the fact that it accesses the AUR. It's just unsafe unless you specifically use -Syu to install, to update, to upgrade, all

@DCM777.

2 ай бұрын

@ Don't care i want also to update the AUR and i have zero prolems with it.

So the marketshare stats are based on Statcounter visits? Data gathered by sites that use the Statcounter script? So then I would guess that this excludes larges sites like Google, Facebook, KZread, etc. since they probably don't use Statcounter? Then my guess would be that the 4% marketshare by Linux is probably overstated.

@michael_tunnell

2 ай бұрын

Actually, I’d argue it’s the opposite of that. Google is used by literally everyone to some degree so it’s more likely with that data it’s even more people. Statcounter is a sample size of 1.5 million websites. This is a very good sample size. Though because it’s not including the giant websites the usage is likely even more.

@R_Priest

2 ай бұрын

@@michael_tunnell Interesting take. I would think that "normies" more often visit big sites (youtube, Netflix, etc). And "non-normies" (more likely to use Linux) visit smaller sites that use Statcounter.

@michael_tunnell

2 ай бұрын

I have never heard of a single site that uses statcounter so it’s a mystery to me where they get the data and that’s why I think it would be bigger because everyone uses KZread. There are millions of people who use Linux who aren’t geeks such as people who work at a company that deploys Linux to their users workstations, or family & friends of geeks, raspberry pi dabblers, or etc. that’s why I think it would be bigger on KZread because most of these people never make themselves known, in fact maybe some don’t even know they are using Linux.

awayland, I see what you did there.

It is the second time I hear about Zorin OS as a Windows replacement. I was almost convinced, but then you talked about the pro version, and it was like a cold shower. Every time there are 2 versions of a product, a free and a paid one, it ends badly. It is a no go for me.

@michael_tunnell

2 ай бұрын

Zorin OS works on a free version that is everything you need and the premium edition has cosmetic things that you can do yourself if you want but they do it for you as a convenience thing. I am totally fine with Freemium is the structure this way

@jamesvandamme7786

2 ай бұрын

Zorin is the gateway drug into the world of Linux, so it's OK that it tries to look like Windows. I put it on my 98 year old dad's PC some time ago.

Subscribed!

the future will be basically all companies with their own Distro, Chrome OS , Windows ( will use Linux Kernel im absolutely sure about it ) etc, MacOS is already a Unix system and they only support their own devices so not count.

@michael_tunnell

2 ай бұрын

Linux is already separated like that in a way. Technically you could treat Ubuntu and Fedora as separate OS's because they are so different even though they both use the same kernel. On the other hand, macOS is the way it is because BSD license allows for someone to take it and turn it proprietary, which that is exactly what they did. 🤷‍♂️

Bryan Lunduke debunked the 4% claim.

@louisfifteen

2 ай бұрын

Duck Bryan Lunduke

@HardlyTray

2 ай бұрын

Considering Lunduke has very little credibility in the Linux community for a lot of reasons, one of which is him running away from KZread because of all the times people would point out the inaccuracies of his videos. I'm going to say, he probably didnt debunk anything. He most certainly claimed to debunk it but he probably said something dumb like the sample size wasn't enough but that stat site has 1.5 Million websites in the sample size, this is more than enough data for a reliable estimate. Hell, it is more likely the number is even bigger if we could compare it with data from Google Analytics. Lunduke also claimed he would stop making those "Linux Sucks" videos and then he never stopped . . . he should debunk himself because he can't even keep to his own claims.

@louisfifteen

2 ай бұрын

@@HardlyTray Very well said.

No, don't count ChromeOS - but see ChromeOS as a gateway to the Linux Desktop... there are a generation of people growing up without Windows; that 4% will only go up!

16:56 Bruh

@michael_tunnell

2 ай бұрын

LOL! you're welcome 😎👍

I would be more inclined to use wayland if it didn't break mouse control in games... like really, these people are supposed to be testing things, if it doesn't work exactly like X11 out of the box then why bother releasing it? .. to be specific the wayland mouse issues im specifically getting is when I launch a game there is no mouse control at all or there is mouse control but clicking on the screen causes the character to face up and then spin uncontrollably.. but sometimes it works until I click away from the screen to do something on my second screen because I actually multitask on my PC with two screens, then when I go back tot he game mouse control breaks again.. I switched back to X11 for now, no issues and multitasking works fine as expected, they REALLY need to make the mouse control work out of the box like on X11... So basically I think it's a bad idea to go all in on Wayland until they fix that problem... im on Arch btw and they already pushed wayland which cause my mouse issues in games..

its fine bcoz console not need xorg. kernel and some bash = linux

i love pacman sytax it reminds me of pacman the videogame

GNU/Keemstar

@XionicalXionical

2 ай бұрын

The Gnews Gnome

Emulators are a form of"protest"against proprietary software....just like wine...

chromeos is based on gentoo which is funny

10? 4+2 isn't 10 michael 😂

@RedSaint83

2 ай бұрын

Maybe he counts in base 6 😅

@fuseteam

2 ай бұрын

@@RedSaint83 good one 🤣

@michael_tunnell

2 ай бұрын

I dont know how I read the Unknown category as Chrome OS but thats why I said that which I am not sure which is worse . . . not being able to do simple math or not being able to read? 🤣

@fuseteam

2 ай бұрын

@@michael_tunnell that explains everything 🤣

Wayland is X12.

@michael_tunnell

2 ай бұрын

Wayland is developed by the Xorg team but its an entirely new thing it’s not based on X so X12 is not an accurate description of it

I run slackware and your comparison is wrong..... I haven't had to really do anything to get a working system / desktop - the only thing you really have to do, is manage dependencies, because you are the dependency checker/manager ; but i hardly even had to compile anything , there are slackbuilds that repackage redhat / debian / ubuntu packages too ; so your info on slackware is not accurate.

@michael_tunnell

2 ай бұрын

Slackbuilds are not officially part of the distribution, these are a third party solution and more importantly it’s called builds because they are building from scripts aka compiling so yes you are compiling every time. My information is in fact accurate.

2024 the year of TempleOS.

Everyone seems to be happy about linux . Can any one please tell me how to install an application in a different drive than a system drive like we can install an application in d drive and edrive except c drive in windows . There are no videos about it on KZread. I asked chat gpt it say it's not straight forward like windows and not possible.

@michael_tunnell

2 ай бұрын

Why would you want to do this? I have a theory as to why you want to do this but rather than assuming please explain here.

@logohub1234

2 ай бұрын

@@michael_tunnell because linux is installed on SSD which is very small like 128 gb while my another hdd(512 gb) is free so I plan to install less used softwares there. I have a windows pc . But windows is heavy that's why I installed linux lite(based on Ubuntu ) on my old pc(i3 2nd generation ) but there are no way I can find a way to install less used software in hdd. It is very straightforward in windows. But i didn't find a single way for linux It looks like I made a mistake upgrading in that pc from windows 7 to linux. It would be helpful if you share any tips. I am planning to make it a home server also . Are portable apps (apps without installation) possible or available on linux?

@michael_tunnell

2 ай бұрын

I understand now, well firstly just wanted to mention that Linux apps are typically smaller than Windows apps so there isn't as much to worry about as there is on Windows. Linux works is very different in a lot of ways and one of the cool ways is that the configurations and settings and changes to make to an app is stored separately from the app itself. In Windows, apps are installed in a specific place and the configs and all that is stored in the same place so where you install something matters but this is not how it works on Linux. In a Linux system, the apps are installed into one location but the configs and settings and changes are all stored in the user's "/home" folder. This means you can install an app then customize it to your needs with settings changes and whatever else and then uninstall that app but the config stuff stays. So for apps you dont need often you can simply install them when you need them and they will pull from the configs you already have and thus only take up storage when you actually need them to rather than wasting storage elsewhere. Portable apps are a cool concept but they arent that practical which is why most developers dont do that for Windows. However, in some ways you can do that with AppImages on Linux where the app itself is stored wherever you want it to be but the configuration settings are stored separately in your /home folder. This is cool because that means you can upgrade an AppImage simply by replacing it with a new version and all the configs are untouched as they are stored separately. Your main machine should not be a home server depending on what you mean by that. Home servers are meant to be running at all times and thats not practical be done with a daily driver machine in my opinion. Though I suppose it could depend on what you mean by that since that could be thousands of different things.

@logohub1234

2 ай бұрын

@@michael_tunnellthanks. Home server means i stored my movies and tv series in that system and then I can watch them when I want. My friend developed a small app which can stream these videos in my mobile via wifi linked through vlc. That code requires the file to be stored in main drive . Now I ran out of space so my old external HDD is connected to that device. Now I want to install some software for CCTV monitoring . So I asked for suggestions. now i understood why Linux is bad for gaming in my windows I have game installed in several drives which is very straightforward. I think the Linux community should solve this issue. Portable apps mainly like benchmark apps and other testing apps are good and I still use them on a pendrive for windows and there is still support for many small apps which are under 10 mb like CPU z portable and etc.

@logohub1234

2 ай бұрын

@@michael_tunnell thanks for reply . Home server means i stored my movies and tv series in that system and then I can watch them when I want. My friend developed a small app which can stream these videos on my mobile via wifi linked through vlc. That code requires the file to be stored in main drive . Now I ran out of space so my old external HDD is connected to that device. Now I want to install some software for CCTV monitoring . So I asked for suggestions. now i understood why Linux is bad for gaming in my windows I have game installed in several drives which is very straightforward. I think the Linux community should solve this issue. Portable apps mainly like benchmark apps and other testing apps are good and I still use them on a pendrive for windows and there is still support for many small apps which are under 10 mb like CPU z portable and etc.

Just want to say that Michael started to present the content in more sleek way and is more like Nicks channel witch is a good thing

I think that 4% market share for Linux comes from the fact that Valve sells their SteamDeck out of the box with SteamOS and many people are fine just using that as their PC too. Plus Microsoft for whatever reason setting Windows 11 requirements even higher despite noticing themselves that Windows 10 is still favored by most sure boosts here as well. OMV7 getting released comes in at a great time for me also since I got my NAS working again. I already upgraded few days ago, having to check even less for package updates sounds like a huge QoL improvement to me :) Didn't know about that part, so thanks, Michael! As for the whole emulation thing, yea, you are pretty much spot on with the pronunciation of Ryujinx, at least when I hear others talk about it. I think Nintendo sued them first and foremost because of their patreon and people having usermade patches that made games like Zelda playable days in advance. It's a bummer since I like variety and choice for emulators, plus Yuzu runs better on the Deck than Ryujinx also. But killing one FOSS emulator is like fighting a Hydra. Something Nintendo lets us to in Splatoon (those who play the game get the reference) but something even they fail to succeed at. It's more tragic because of Citra anyway since the 2/3DS is discontinued for a while now and alternative emulators are slow in adopting.

@mavfan1

2 ай бұрын

No. It has to do with increasing use in India.

@CommodoreFan64

2 ай бұрын

@@mavfan1 There are a lot of factors at play here from Microsoft trying to screw over people yet again, to Valve with the Steam Deck, to India, to the cost of being in the Apple ecosystem, to more KZreadrs covering Linux like LTT, to the rise of single board computers like the Raspberry Pi, streaming boxes/TV's(Roku one example) etc.. we really can't just say it's one single source, but no matter what it is, it's all good in the end for Linux usage.

Can we get an episode all about how we can solve simple glitches in Linux?

The Windows as a subscription already exists, and the only thing is going to happen is to make it available for consumers. It's not going to replace Windows. I know because I searched for it, and I am interested. You would be able to run Windows without a computer, from any device, TV, phone, tablet. I can do 95% of my work from a tablet, This service can make this 5% available on the tablet, so I don't have to carry a laptop everywhere. Or a thin and light arm laptop witch ever comes first.

Yuzu created an emulator for a console that is still available and sold by Nintendo. They are very protective of their own products, even after consoles are off the market. Open source doesn't necessarily protect people from a company like Nintendo. While I have used NES emulators in the past, it was at a time when not even Nintendo had such things on their radar, particularly because it didn't effect their then current product line, and most would agree then that running on the actual hardware was better than using an emulator. It was also when emulation was the only way to actually play certain games. Nintendo Switch changed that game, in as much as such games can be found on the store. It may be easier to argue that Nintendo is being greedy over this, but if you have ever created your own stuff, written a book or trilogy, or otherwise have created something original you care about, you can understand this issue from Nintendo's side better. I've seen it from the perspective of Second Life and IMVU devs, in that you have content creators who grew a business out of virtual clothing and other avatar creations, including SL famous and popular bodies, like Maitreya, Belleza, and Slink. When people make knock-offs of their product, that hurts small to mid level developers that depend on their virtual businesses as a main source of their livelihood. It's easy to demonize Nintendo for being protective of their place in the gaming world, but consider that some of their major competition, like Atari and Sega, are mostly known for their past games libraries and the nostalgia of them. Atari may have a new console out, but what new games does it have? Why aren't they even trying to make more modern games, rather than just floating along with games made popular in the 1970's and early 80's, before they went bankrupt, and before their attempt to get back in the game with the Lynx and Jaguar? Sega just became another 3rd party developer and doesn't seem to have making a modern console anywhere on their radar. Even Neo Geo and Turbo Grafx are 90's legends, and little else these days. Thus why you can see emulation and roms not get a lot of take downs, in as much as the creators themselves are off the radar beyond cash grab nostalgia retro games that might be found on Steam, the Nintendo store, or a mini console collection. They're just happy their games are still being played and recognized, whereas Nintendo is still a thriving company that cares about its games and living legacy. Even in Second Life and IMVU, that is the case with the devs that remain and are still creating, compared to the ones that are not, and especially those that pretty much given up their product as either cheap noobie cloths, or free dev kits for another generation devs to try out and learn how to make their own stuff off of. And that's pretty much where emulation ought to be, is a place for people to learn some of the old tricks of the trade, and springboard into making something new that they can call their own.

I think the 4% mark isn’t due more users choosing Linux, per se, but because there’s overall fewer PCs deployed in field than there used to be. So, the windows percentage will remain roughly the same, but the Linux percentage will adjust accordingly to reflect that difference.

@sheikhshakilakhtar1865

2 ай бұрын

Not really. Linux has been growing. I came across an article that one of the reasons for Linux being able to cross 4% market share, was the Indian user-base. Here in India, more than 15% of desktop computers run on Linux and it will keep growing.

Ew version, syntax still is weird… hahahaha

Worst adult hat alignment/placement ever... ;) Thank you for everything Mike,i really appreciate you! Greetings from Greece.

I agree with the syntax issue. I don’t want to remember a bunch of flags. It just makes life harder for no reason.

@jonatan3035

2 ай бұрын

I use aliases so it doesn't matter to me.