May your road lead you to warm sands.

@georelbonai8244

2 жыл бұрын

"All Roads lead to Rome"😳

I genuinely don't know why you have so little subs, your TES lore/analysis content is great.

It's funny how this video has only a couple hundred views and then suddenly argonian boobs have thousands. Anyways I'm impressed by the Ta'agra language project. As far as I know there is only one dude expanding Khuzdul from Tolkien's universe which is way more popular than Elder scrolls and they somehow have entire team working on a language for one of the less popular races in that universe.

@LeftoverPat

3 жыл бұрын

I'm just as surprised from the Argonian Boobs viewcount surge lately, but I suppose this is a heavier topic. Thank you for your comment. I would love to see that dude's page.

@vlatstrapes3931

3 жыл бұрын

@@LeftoverPat It's dwarrow scholar, he has a youtube as well.

i had always thought khajiits were inspired by indians and romanis but never bothered to fully look into it, great vid

When you go full circle back to games for preparing a DnD Session...

epic, loving this channel! asks some of those obscure TES lore questions that I often find myself wondering, and loving this. an Ahziss ari Ta'agra an khajiit di Elsweyr!

1:35 - to the family maybe, but to other watchers: please remember that it is not a rule in all of them. Slavic languages pretty much disregard word order. Polish has no word order, whatever you use is technically correct, it may just sound strange for a native speaker, but it works within grammar rules.

Good video. Quite well done. As somebody with gypsy heritage I enjoyed it and always enjoyed playing as khajits. No worries about using the word gypsy, I've never met another gypsy that got offended by it if I'm honest lol.

@jonny_vix6834

2 жыл бұрын

*I agree with you, bro, I am a Gypsy myself and against the prohibition of this word, there is nothing in this that would oppress us, they call us that, because they were confused with the Egyptians, I advise such stupid people who are trying to find oppression everywhere to study better the history of our people etymology of the word "Gypsies" and also not to be such "oppressed fools" inspired by leftists!*

@ZooTycoon2witchdoc1

2 жыл бұрын

Its always people getting offended on everyone else's behalf

Language and TES Lore. LeftoverPat, I am ever happy that I stumbled across your channel!

Honestly I’m so glad KZread recommended you to me I’ve been watching all your videos! Can’t wait for more :)

This channel is epic! I'm so glad I found it. Your in-depth research is massively impressive!

@LeftoverPat

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Happy you enjoy it.

I would be hella interested in an entire video on Elswyr and Khajit!

*Im a Russian-Lithuanian Gypsy, thank you for the video, its very interesting!*

@hirohito40k14

Жыл бұрын

same lol

I'm always impressed to see how pro your videos are

Love this Elder Scrolls analysis videos

Yes! I've always thought of them as Romani gypsies. I'm glad I'm not the only one! Your channel is amazing by the way!

so happy to see some representation in pop culture for a group of people that are quickly vanishing

@Janine.Najarian

2 жыл бұрын

Vanishing if only to Anti Roma violence in Europe

Ah, so the nords in skyrim act like the irl europeans.

Brilliant, thank you. Now I know who to reference to learn their accent

Were is my coin purse ?

Did I butcher it @2:48?

@nicholasmullins3693

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. Yes you did lol

Fantastic, got you a Sub and a Like!

this content is 10/10

Having a lot of gypsy/romani people in my country, I can safely say that Khajiit culture is similar.

Oddly enough strong hungarian accant also sounds like ta'agra. We also use sharp clear sounds like khajiits.

This one agrees with your assessment

Love how you roll the r when you said “In’tenurr”

I'm an American Romani Gypsy, and I already knew they were Gypsy. That's why I played one! 😊

@introspection827

5 ай бұрын

Thieves Guild?

I love languages and I always played as the khajit so learning about the Ta’agra project was a dream come true

my guy went hard for no reason

KZread Algorithm brought me here. Not sure why.

Always know... their voices even sounds like roma's. That khajiit woman in Skyrim sounds exactly like my grandmother's ( I'm half). Roma is one aspect of Khajiit culture, for me mostly bandaari... oh also they caravans look like those from medieval gypsies, who were roamed straight to europe from middle eastern countries. I really love their presentation in lore.

@durimuramon1620

2 жыл бұрын

Thought dragon laguage has some roma words, but it could be indian as well

Jewelry, caravans, stealing

@FlagAnthem

2 жыл бұрын

no itinerant musicians or horse breeders though

This dude is the embodiment of a good teacher.

@Janine.Najarian

2 жыл бұрын

Eh. His takes are kind of reductive and orientalist. And also contrary to popular belief The Assyrians, who the dunmer are based on, are very much still around. I talk to them everyday in fact. Real decent salt of the earth people. Ah like em 🇦🇲🤝💙🤍♥️

what are you trying to say that im a cat

@Janine.Najarian

2 жыл бұрын

Ikr it's like in fantasy you can't get any positive representation for like West and South Asian or North African culture unless they turn us into like magical cat people 🙄🇦🇲

Oh I am a big fan of this video.

I’m of lovari romani descent, this is so interesting to learn about and honestly kinda cool that we have a TES race based off of us lol

@spriterfighterstudio4574

3 жыл бұрын

Purdé

KHAJIIT!!! 😻

I think tes 6 will take place in both hammerfall and a little bit of highrock aka the area of daggerfall. Aka red(redguards/hammerfall) and fall(dagerfall/maybe all of highrock). Also most of the time they end up changing the name in the end so maybe it wont even be called that and redfall is just a place holder name. But idk. We will see. That or it will be in hammerfall and then the first expansion/dlc will be in highrock. I also think this because it would be weird if the last tes game ever will be just in hammerfall. I would be disapointed if we never went back to classic medieval area of highrock. One last sepculation is the main game takes place in hammerfall except the main quest involves the tower on the island between hammerfall and highrock. Then they slowly start releasing expansions/dlcs until all of nirn(or at least tamriel) has been officially explored like in eso. I hope its the last one. That would be amazing!

Europeans: "Based."

The video was a good distraction for this one to steal your coin purse.

It's no wonder why I hate the cat people.

That’s great and all but I really need some skooma

That would also explain why they are such good thief

You made a mistake, Be- is not the subject in the Romani sentence shown at 1:51. It’s the first two letters of the verb beshel (to sit). In fact the pronoun can be omitted in Romani, similar to Spanish, and Romani sentences can definitely start with a verb. Further, to sit is an intransitive verb so “in a little house” is not the object for “I sit”.

Calé and I agree with this 100%

Ah yes the universal pickpocket language

Great theory! I've always thought of the Khajiit as similar to Arabs, but Romani makes so much sense. However, I don't get why verb-first structures are supposed to be prohibited in Indo-European languages (?) The Celtic languages such as Irish follow VSO word order and they are all Indo-European

interesting video! Only thingy thats not correct is that the Romani Language is coming from Middle east and/or Rajasthan. The Romani Language has his roots in the Region Of Sindh (Ancient India, today this region belongs to Pakistan) where the oldest known Gypsys are coming from. The folk of the Sinti people, they are still speaking the oldest version of this very Unique Language.

For some reason a lot of their culture gives an Indian (which includes Romani) vibe, but I also felt an Arabian (not like the Redgaurds but still there) and perhaps a Carribean vibe

@LeftoverPat

Жыл бұрын

That's interesting with the Caribbean vibe. I can picture them like that voodoo chick in the pirates movies. With Arabic, I think south/sw Asia would cover it well. Thanks for the comment!

3:09 why did you use the monarchist Iranian flag?

@joshuakuehn

3 жыл бұрын

Why not? Probably just a first result in Google search

@LeftoverPat

3 жыл бұрын

Conscious decision. Mostly just picked because I like it better and it had a lion to connect it to the Khajiit image on screen. Connects it to an older time as well, which can help contextualize migration (16th Century Savafid Dynasty had the same insignia). If there's some cultural sin I've committed without knowing, please let me know so I can be sensitive to it in the future.

@joshuakuehn

3 жыл бұрын

@@LeftoverPat I work at a company owned by persian immigrants. They left right as the ayatollahs took over Iran and they all respond to "persian" so I don't think you've done anything that bad. At least according to my anecdotal evidence. Take from that what you will.

I think i am the only one Indian native in this comment section who likes the elder scrolls lore, by the way Fascinating research, i always like this kind of realistic research,. May warm sands guide yours path, 😂

Take a look

Dude, I always thought kahjiit were meh as far as elder scrolls races go, but this definitely raised by appreciation for them

@LeftoverPat

2 жыл бұрын

F yeah. Good to hear

Lachu dives me rakrau romanes. Kon haivel man?

@jonny_vix6834

2 жыл бұрын

*Me, pshal!*

@D3n1s__

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonny_vix6834 baht sastapen

But they don't call you bati for big brother

Dawty gorjas morin mandi

KhajiitCrusader Hates Redguards

They are egyptians

As a Gypsy this video was interesting to watch. Not a big fan of the Khajiiti, though.

@oopdi

3 жыл бұрын

Because you think it mocks Romani culture or in-game/lore reasons if you mind me asking.

@HemmiHedman

3 жыл бұрын

@@oopdi No, I don't find it to be mockery. I just prefer human races.

@enotsnavdier6867

3 жыл бұрын

@@HemmiHedman Same, I like the Nords because I played Skyrim first and I prefer the human races.

@durimuramon1620

2 жыл бұрын

@@oopdi I was observing this (Kahjiit caravan pendlers aka romani) from first playing Skyrim and after playing ESO ONLINE N/S ELSWEYR I was amazed much more, even the terrain and architecture, even if it was generic after a while (Love that Indonesian inspired buildings). Khajiits are my TOP 3 (1. KHAJIITS, 2.REDGUARD, 3.DARK ELVES) - I don't know If I'am biased, but i personally prefer dark theme for my character. I also often play as a paladin breton aka light knight, or imperial one hand and shield hero. Never a nord cause I can't relate to their culture, it feels too nordic and I have no roots in northern Europe. But I like every possible culture, every possible fanatsy culture and I appreciate diversity and not everybody is playing games like me. I always roleplays and I am lil bit connected to my characters. Every culture in skyrim seem gray to me, none of them is pure good or evil, those are factions, etc. THAT thing with discrimination and slavery is FOR ME really well depicted in lore, someone attached can be offended, someone not. (I forgot, I'm half rom, that's why this one is so attached) I HOPE SOMEONE CAN READ IT.

@Janine.Najarian

2 жыл бұрын

See I was a big fan of the khajiit until I realized that it was kind of a negative portrayal of y'all so I just went back to my dunmer. Assyrians it is 💀

*uses the correct term for an ethnic group* *In brackets: slur* So close lol

@Janine.Najarian

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah he's kind of uhhhh "clumsy" when it comes to handling "different" cultures shall we say 💀

How would Persian come from India tho? That makes no sense

i dont remember the Khajiit stealing my metal tho

@yds2m

3 жыл бұрын

racist

@ISELLSALT

3 жыл бұрын

@@yds2m excuse me mr. freedom land, western europe or whatever im from eastern europe, here even said gypsies make fun of the fact they steal anything metallic kindly go yell racist at someone else, ya humorless twat

@Janine.Najarian

2 жыл бұрын

Racist

I have a Hungarian friend who would love this. They, uh, don't exactly like gypsies there

@yds2m

3 жыл бұрын

yeah hungary is really racist

@pokkerhonklers6625

3 жыл бұрын

@@yds2m its like this all over the Balkans, but this sentiment towards gypsies also doesn't come from nowhere.

I guess people do with their time what they will🤷

BUT... Is it orientalist?

@Janine.Najarian

2 жыл бұрын

(yes)

Was anyone doubting that the Khajiit were inspired by the Romani? I got into the game with Oblivion and my immediate thought was "Oh, skeevy gypsy cat folk. Neat?"

@Himmyjewett

2 жыл бұрын

No he just explaining how they are

@Janine.Najarian

2 жыл бұрын

I mean there's any number of like West Asian and North African cultures they could have been based on like Amazigh and Bedouin for example

@Janine.Najarian

2 жыл бұрын

But yeah from my outsider perspective I would say that most closely resemble Roma. Perhaps not in the most positive light but it's rare that they ever get that 🙄

Quite honestly I never liked the TES lore. And it's quite obvious that the devs mostly just make stuff up as they go. But there's a subtle humour in your vids and your approach that I love a lot. Be it about Argonian eggvolution or the unemployment rate of Bravil.

@LeftoverPat

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, this is a great compliment

Despite the linguistic evidence, you can just look at the khajiit and tell they're Romani-coded. Nomadic lifestyle due to discrimination/segregation, clothing, spiritualism, and negative stereotypes painting both groups as liars, thieves, and overall vagrants. It's sometimes hard to determine Bethesda's intention behind coding the khajiit as Romani, because you'll have some characters defending the khajiit against harmful stereotypes (Ysolda for example), but on the other hand with the broken English, skooma dealing, and overall criminal activity, it's enough to instill doubt. Also, without judgement because a lot of people don't know this, but g*psy is a slur and it's generally accepted that gadje (non-Romani) are not allowed to say it. You may have a person pop up and say that they're not offended and that a gadjo can say it, but it is still a racial slur and is still used to oppress us to this day. Good video overall, though 👍

@jonny_vix6834

2 жыл бұрын

*I myself am a Russian-Lithuanian Gypsy, I do not agree with you that the word Gypsies is a racial insult, they began to call us Gypsies, because we were confused with Egyptians for a long time*

@jonny_vix6834

2 жыл бұрын

*If we ban the word Gypsies, then the same will come out as with the n-word, the Nazis will use it as an insult, do you want that? No need to make us look prejudiced!*

@rosshancock1950

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonny_vix6834 I'm not saying to ban the word, but it is still recognized as a racial slur and should only be used by Romani who wish to reclaim the word. Like the n-word. There are people who've reclaimed it and use it casually and there are people who are too affected by it to feel comfortable using or hearing it. Plus gadje should call us by our name anyway, Romani. Many gadje don't even know the word Romani, just gypsy, so I don't fault them, but they still should be educated on the word and why they shouldn't use it casually.

@Himmyjewett

2 жыл бұрын

@@rosshancock1950 as black person the n word can be used by any other person it's a word

@rosshancock1950

2 жыл бұрын

@@Himmyjewett if you're okay with other people saying that word, then i honestly don't care but if a non black person were to say the n-word in public then i believe they should know that they're most likely gonna have consequences to saying it. me informing someone that g*psy is a slur isn't really me saying that someone isn't allowed to say it, but really me saying "hey if you say this and you can't reclaim it, then you're probably gonna get in trouble for it". i say g*psy a lot same with other Romanies and don't usually get offended if gadje say it because most of the time they're unaware that the word was used to dehumanize us, same with the n-word and other slurs. but if i educate them and they still use it then that's when its valid to criticize them

Not in movies or TV but the Khajiit (in skyrim specifically) ARE SO OBVIOUSLY based on romani people and the stereotypes that follow us. >Caravans not allowed in most cities due to the exact aame reasons Romani are stereotyped for > Linguistically extremely similar to the more common Roma dialects. Like their language is practically just. Romani. >Literally every single stereotype they follow is an excuse used to abuse and genocide us. Drug dealers, thieves, travelling merchants who are ousted from cities due to their 'criminal nature'. And before any Gadje say 'but you're the one assigning them to romani people' Bro. It isn't hard to assume that the travelling merchants whos home land is a pretty direct analog to India, who are stereotyped and displayed in classic anti-romani stereotypes, whos language DIRECTLY PARALLELS Romani language, is supposed to be analogous to romani people. I may be seperated from my Roma clan (My family integrated into England to survive WW2) but I have spent the whole time I've known educating, listening and fighting. Keep going with your videos!

i don't mean to butt in, but unfortunately "gypsy" is a romani slur. it's a really well-done video but the word being used so casually just kind of irks me. either way, well done! very informative.

@anonymousbloke1

3 жыл бұрын

It isn't a slur and even if it were, there's nothing wrong with that. Romani isn't the only gypsy group, and there's no other way to refer to these people other than gypsies. Besides, there have been worse ways to refer to these people throughout centuries

@LeftoverPat

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment! I debated using the word Gypsy to describe it in the video, as I'm familiar with it being used as a derogatory term, but I decided it's not only a helpful way of identification (especially to non-Europeans unfamiliar with Romani), so long as I didn't keep it as the focus term. From what I could tell (mostly just youtube TED talks), the term Gypsy is used as a way to identify themselves in rare occasions, so that made me feel okay using it in the way I did. Hopefully it was minimal enough to not be distracting. I apologize if it was offensively irksome for you.

@Sticklemako

3 жыл бұрын

I think it depends HOW you use the word 'gypsy'.. he is using it descriptively not proscriptively so its fine

@CossackGene

3 жыл бұрын

@@LeftoverPat In the TED talk you used a clip of, g*psy is used as an example of a negative term used to refer to Roma by those who discriminate against them. In the US it isn't always considered a slur as far as I've seen (that is, most Roma I've seen who aren't bothered by it are from the US). But in Europe, where Roma are much more discriminated against, it's not a word you want to say if you want to be an ally.

@Janine.Najarian

2 жыл бұрын

@@anonymousbloke1 I'm pretty the Lom ppl of my country Armenia would prefer to be addressed as such and not with the G slur

Hey, i hate being that guy, but the word gypsy is a negitive and disparaging word, twisted by people who hated the romani people

dont say gpsy

@jonny_vix6834

2 жыл бұрын

*Dude, if we will ban this word, its gonna be like with the N-Word, Im a Rom, the “Gypsy” is actually not a bad word, learn history, brother*

Dude please stop using the g slur man. It’s not acceptable.

@gasmanoo

3 жыл бұрын

What, you mean gypsy ?

@arnoarno1092

3 жыл бұрын

@@gasmanoo yeah it’s a slur. the Romani have been oppressed and othered for centuries, and people shouldn’t use it because it continues that tradition

@gasmanoo

2 жыл бұрын

@@arnoarno1092 No, it´s not. The word "romani" indicates that gypsies came from Romania, which is incorrect and misleading. As the video already stated, most came from India. As for the "been oppressed for centuries" geez, I wonder why that is ? Perhaps because they can´t integrate into the societies they are now part of ? The stereotypes about them didn´t spring up out of nowhere, it has been gypsies observed behaviour that created these stereotypes.

@zentar2646

2 жыл бұрын

@@gasmanoo romani is just how the gypsies say the word "man" in their language has nothing to do with romania