"It's late, I'm old, I'm going home." I aspire to use this some day

@grovercleavland2698

7 ай бұрын

Why wait?

@ilmsff7

2 ай бұрын

I'm 52 and I use it now.

@Maino88

Ай бұрын

Particularly in the middle of the day.

@logic9436

14 күн бұрын

Biden should apply that. And step down, lol

"Trust? Oh. I'm sorry, I was under the misapprehension your chosen profession was politics."

@bill2953

4 жыл бұрын

A reenactment of Nadler, Schiff, Pelosi & Schumer anti-Trump squabbling.

@wrongway1100

4 жыл бұрын

Lol. Great. Just a great quote.

@sirmoonslosthismind

4 жыл бұрын

@@bill2953 you clearly don't understand the scene or the film; these are the good guys. comparing them to pelosi and schumer is a compliment, not the insult you intend.

@bill2953

4 жыл бұрын

@@sirmoonslosthismind I was merely making the observation - sorry I didn't spell it out - that politics haven't changed, the contentious bickering still goes on as it has for 250 plus years. The film is nothing short of brilliant in Daniel Day Lewis' portrayal and the dynamics of the DC political sphere in the 1800's.

@christopherpardell4418

4 жыл бұрын

Bill Do not even in the depths of stupidity equate Lincoln with that shiftless, racist, moron, and tool of a foreign despot.

"Nothing surprises you Asa. Therefore nothing about you is surprising." When you can insult someone without having to use petty names or profanity is impressive.

@AbrahamLincoln4

3 жыл бұрын

Thats why Stevens is a complete and utter Chad.

@dovbarleib3256

3 жыл бұрын

In his next incarnation Thaddeus Stevens became Don Rickles.

@mygoogleemail2063

2 жыл бұрын

Two scenes later he's telling us how he shits on the American people, then tells another man he's got slime for blood. He could do both.

@MichaelLee-tt7gm

2 жыл бұрын

"Perhaps that is why your constituents did not re-elect you to the coming term."

@tomsurber2293

2 жыл бұрын

@@dovbarleib3256 LOL!

"Trust? I'm sorry, I was under the misapprehension your chosen profession was politics." Possibly the greatest line in this whole magnificent movie.

@abehambino

4 жыл бұрын

Odysseus Rex possibly. At least the most honest one and the one that best describes this movie as a whole!

@joshuawells835

4 жыл бұрын

It is a great line and still relevant in modern politics. Though I still like his "I do not believe in equality in all things; only equality before the law" speech and then Congressman Yeaman's "I said aye, Mr. McPherson. AAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!"

@alexayers9463

3 жыл бұрын

Lincoln's "compass" retort was also pretty special. I love how one-to-two line segments in this movie annihilate so many stupid, idealistic opinions about politics. 'LINCOLN WAS A RACIST!" Uuuuh, homie, if he didn't say that racist shit, the border states would've joined the confederacy and your ass would be picking cotton. "I DON'T TRUST POLITICIANS!" Bitch, you elected this guy to scheme his way into getting what you voted him in for; if he's disloyal to you, fuck em, but otherwise, you WANT a backstabber on your side to get shit done... "WE NEED TO DEFUND THE POLICE HERE AND MAKE ALL HEALTHCARE FREE THERE NOW!!!" Bruhh, a compass will point you true north, but it doesn't tell you how to get there; "if you plunge ahead heedless of obstacles to achieve nothing more than to sink in a swamp...what good is knowing true north?" This is an essential movie about democracy and politics.

@shorthopedc

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexayers9463 I love that line ("...what's the point in knowing true north") because it is the rebuttal to Stephenson's rebuke of partisan politics. Making a nation, an entire sprawling concatenation of millions, do ANYTHING is complicated. Making it do something radical and unprecedented and permanent is nearly impossible, in any society, let alone a democratic one. Anyone can shout about what everyone SHOULD believe. The funny thing is, depending on what room he's in, Stephens (consummate politician that he is in this movie and was in history) advocates from both sides of this question. To the radical purists, he was a practical man, shoving them off their self-satisfied pedestals in the direction of compromise and progress. To Lincoln, he was the pillar of fire, upbraiding him for falling short of the one true faith. And then he went home, ate dinner, went to bed, got up, and did it all over again. Great movie, to bring that out so nimbly. Tony Kushner FTW.

@ForgottenHonor0

2 жыл бұрын

I dunno, I love it when Pendleton gets in a huff with Stevens and all he can do is shout, "HOOOOOOW DAAAAAARE YOOOOUUU!!!"

The only reason why Tommy Lee Jones didn't steal this movie outright was because of Daniel Day Lewis.

@woodwyrm

5 жыл бұрын

@TMWSITY As president Abraham Lincoln yes.

@BradyPostma

4 жыл бұрын

Tommy Lee Jones did steal this movie profoundly. I've heard movie reviewers describe it as a Thaddeus Stevens movie in disguise.

@dirdib69

4 жыл бұрын

They were as well-matched as their real-life counterparts.

@XxowendanxX

4 жыл бұрын

Tommy Lee Jones is so good, he once stole a scene from himself.

@rockyracoon3233

3 жыл бұрын

Jones stole the movie for sure. Lewis was good but Hal Holbrook's Lincoln is still the standard to which all other portrayals are judged by!

Damnit, did ANYONE in this movie NOT give their best performance? Total commitment to their roles. Just perfection....😲

@abehambino

Жыл бұрын

I’m sure there was some fly on the wall that phoning it in, but thankfully, we’ll never know! This movie is a rarity in perfection!

@emmanuela7528

Жыл бұрын

I’m starting to think it’s a Spielberg thing. Actors getting in front of his camera and they want to bring it 100%.

@corrinnereynolds4091

11 ай бұрын

Amen. They all should have received Oscars

@detoxfidelity

11 ай бұрын

@@abehambinoThat was the fly in Breaking Bad, she’s the best in the business.

@celebrim1

10 ай бұрын

It's one of the best movies ever made. I'd put it in at least the top 20. Just a magnificent movie.

We could use a dozen or a hundred more movies like this, telling the good and bad about American history.

@sempermilites87

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, but more importantly show that yes bad things have happened in the past, but things can get better as well. In this current age people want to find the horrible things that have happened in history and wave it like an example saying, "Because "A" happened, things will never get better." We need to learn from our past and not only just the mistakes we have done no matter how horrible they were. But to also learn from the great things humanity has accomplished as well.

@alexayers9463

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, cus our fuckin' history teachers don't do it.

@edmonddantes3640

4 жыл бұрын

@@sempermilites87 Bravo!!

@BradyPostma

4 жыл бұрын

This is one of the best US history movies Hollywood ever produced. _Spotlight_ is another. Can anyone recommend to me another?

@berrytharp1334

4 жыл бұрын

This movie had 95% completely fictional dialogue. This is a movie, do not confuse it with actual history. There are factual resources to learn American History that are far, far superior to Hollywood movies.

Ironic that despite being perhaps Lincoln's fiercest critic in the movie, Stevens puts faith in him when his fellow radicals don't.

@chrisrautmann8936

3 жыл бұрын

Common cause. Lincoln had proven himself to be more than the master of the situations he was thrust into. And, when Stevens WANTED Lincoln to push for abolition of slavery, he believed that Lincoln would hold to his word. At the very least, Stevens had nothing to lose by pushing forward to abolish slavery through Constitutional Amendment.

@nathanmiller8213

3 жыл бұрын

Stevens believed in abolition (and full rights, though that was not to be), if given a chance to accomplish one of his life long dreams he was not going to destroy it.

@XxowendanxX

2 жыл бұрын

Stevens' cohorts were a bunch of hotheads. Stevens was too but maybe it was his age or his having dealt with Lincoln personally more than the others that made him trust Lincoln. My belief is that Lincoln was always an abolitionist at heart and I'm sure that Stevens picked up that vibe from him, or perhaps even Lincoln told him so.

@dmendez77

2 жыл бұрын

@@XxowendanxX I agree. I think his personal dealings with old Abe showed him that the prez was a man of character, and also (despite being? 😂) a shrewd pol.

@XxowendanxX

2 жыл бұрын

@@dmendez77 it's my belief that Abe was an abolitionist at heart, but not in practice. He lived in a time when men still revered the Constitution and still held to it even when they saw nothing in it that could be used to further their own interests or agenda. If Abe had his druthers about it, he would have abolished slavery at the first opportunity but he believed that the United States Constitution did not permit the federal government to abolish slavery in the states by fiat. That said, once he became president he did take every opportunity to curtail slavery when he found that he could do so without overstepping his boundaries as president. Even when he was not completely sure of his powers to do so, he would do so unless he was convinced that the Constitution forbids it. He decided that if he erred, it would be on the side of emancipation. Witness his Emancipation Proclamation, which historians are fond of pointing out emancipated no one in the strict, legal sense. And of course as the movie illustrates, he used the civil war as a way to hack the Constitution with nearly half the states absent in order to ram the 13th amendment through. Altering the Constitution itself was a way of abolishing slavery while still adhering to his constitutional scruples of limited federal power, which the movie also illustrates irritated the radical Republicans to no end.

Daniel Day Lewis and Tommy Lee Jones steal every scene they're in

@LastlyMore

6 жыл бұрын

How about the scene they were both in? Who steals that scene?

@MuppetCore

5 жыл бұрын

Lastly More Tommy

@Lietiel

5 жыл бұрын

Well, Daniel Day-Lewis is the star, so, by definition, he can't really "steal" scenes, per se. But yeah, he and Tommy Lee are both mesmerizing in this film.

@simonpotter7534

5 жыл бұрын

They are both examples of that increasingly rare actor, the ones who can hold your attention when ever they are on the screen.

@timothyclark6079

4 жыл бұрын

Lastly More I don’t know if either steals the show in the scene they’re both in, but I liked the little grin Tommy gives DDL (Lincoln) at the end of they’re discussion. Just a brilliant scene for both of them.

It’s late, I’m old, I’m going home. Boss: it’s only 11:30am, you’re 26 and your shift just started an hour ago.

@FortunateJuice

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@gianni_hello

3 жыл бұрын

I quote this religiously

@bluesraincancun9217

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@ijunkie

2 жыл бұрын

LOL

@alessaplasters1422

2 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha

I love how the literal Speaker of the House is the most quiet one in the room XD

@pianoman9421

3 жыл бұрын

Not to be "this guy," but...Stevens wasn't the speaker of the House. However he was Chairman of the Ways and Means committee, and enormously influential, especially among the Radicals.

@amk4739

3 жыл бұрын

@@pianoman9421 Oh I was talking about Colfax , who only gets one line in this scene

@YorkusPorkus757

Жыл бұрын

@@pianoman9421 lmao you’re not “that guy” just an idiot

@dan_38

Жыл бұрын

The greatest leaders to be the quietest, because they see more than the screechers. The fact that the speaker spoke little showed he was looking at the merits of the then questionable decision for constitutional amendments

Notice how large windows used to be. In an era before electrical lighting, people had to take advantage of natural light to the extent possible. Also, long before air-conditioning, ceilings in rooms tended to be quite high to aid in cooling (as warmer air rises and cooler air sinks due to its higher density).

@guysalzmann9302

Жыл бұрын

Great observation buddy-

@sean2015

Жыл бұрын

@@guysalzmann9302 it shows good attention to detail on the part of the production designers. Overall a wonderful film - another Spielberg masterpiece.

@guysalzmann9302

Жыл бұрын

@@sean2015 Indeed! One of my favorite pics! Thx-

@bcdside

9 ай бұрын

Both this scene and the Alexander Coffroth scene were filmed inside the Thomas Jefferson Room at the Virginia Capitol Building; it’s a room I’ve stepped inside many times.

...I think Thaddeus Stevens just delivered what is called a "Sick Burn".

@Beowulf_DW

4 жыл бұрын

He was in the habit of doing that in real life, which I feel is the best part.

@Longbowan

4 жыл бұрын

I believe now in 2020 it is called shade... :)

@BradyPostma

4 жыл бұрын

I believe that the insightful, targeted, devistatingly cutting remark you describe composes the vast majority of Thaddeus Stevens' entire vocabulary.

These men have been trying to end slavery for decades, and I love it how Stevens points out that now, when Lincoln has suddenly decided to reintroduce an Amendment for the very thing they want, they don't back him at first.

This role is Tommy Lee Jones shining achievement. I dont know if this was accurate, but this character. Holy Hell, definitely my top five characters in all showtime and movie history.

@dylankornberg4892

4 жыл бұрын

wrongway1100 from what I know of Thaddeus Stevens, this is an excellent portrayal of him. Biting wit, uncompromising beliefs, and one of the sharpest political minds in US history.

@rlkinnard

3 жыл бұрын

From what i have read, this is. pretty accurate account.

@82ghall

3 жыл бұрын

@@rlkinnard yes he researched his role deeply

"Retain - even in opposition - your capacity for astonishment."

"Nothing surprises you, Asa. Therefore nothing about you is surprising. Perhaps that is why your constituents did not re-elect you to the coming term." This is especially biting considering the Republicans won hard in the last election. Somehow Asa Litton managed to completely miss the Republican wave and lose when the rest of the party gained.

@Nowthisispodracing4

6 жыл бұрын

Asa Litton never existed. He seems to be loosely based on Henry Winter Davis

@Gamerafighter76

6 жыл бұрын

Yup.

@orangefox1231

5 жыл бұрын

Asa is a compilation character of congressmen who distrusted Lincoln but were adamantly against slavery too

@neilpemberton5523

5 жыл бұрын

Clay Hawkins (the democrat who votes yes and dares the other dems to shoot him dead) is also fictional. I think he is meant to represent the good conscience of the Democratic Party in the film.

@orangefox1231

5 жыл бұрын

@@neilpemberton5523 Hawkins is meant to represent the congressmen who voted their conscience/kept promise in spite of being bullied and threatened by immovable democrats.

Everyone is praising the actors which is well deserved but I believe the true stars are the screenwriters. Some of the best dialogue in a movie ever.

I love the conversations in this movie!

The dialogue in this movie is simply perfect

Happy 10th anniversary, Lincoln! My #1 favorite movie! Released 11/16/2012!

"Lincoln and the Radicals." Cool band name.

@theevilascotcompany9255

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a 'ska band from Northern California. Hard pass.

@ningenJMK

3 жыл бұрын

@@theevilascotcompany9255 Understandable.

@GH-oi2jf

10 ай бұрын

But Lincoln wasn’t a Radical Republican. He was a pragmatist.

Dammit, now I have to watch the whole thing again. The performances, script, and direction of this film are just astonishingly good. I believe it to be Speilberg's best work, which feels incredible to put into words.

What great writing, amazing speeches going back and forth. Today’s language is rather dull, mostly loud shouting instead of engaging minds and arguments.

@onrwy

3 жыл бұрын

Because no one today entertains critical thought. Lemmings.

DDL deserved his Oscar but TLJ was just as good. What a splendid ensemble cast!

This is why I love Thaddeus Stevens. He was a cutthroat politician who didn’t even pretend to reach the other side when it came to the rights of slaves. He knew very well that cooperating with the other side would mean the rights of slaves would be in jeopardy. Being a ruthless partisan who didn’t pretend to be bipartisan helped pass the 13th Amendment. He didn’t believe in this “unity” bullshit because he knew the other side was a threat to the goal of a multiracial democracy. We need more politicians like Thaddeus Stevens today who recognize that “unity” and “bipartisanship” is utter bullshit and that you need to be totally partisan if you want to protect the rights of marginalized groups.

@kayvan671

2 жыл бұрын

Thaddeus Stevens and William Lloyd Garrison are my favorite Americans.

@aaronjobe606

2 жыл бұрын

That's goddamn right, brother!

@roseg2239

2 жыл бұрын

Slavery is a bit different to most issues nowadays, though I see your point.

@jackcoleman1784

Жыл бұрын

I actually disagree with this whole heartedly. I think partisanship should apply on a case by case basis. I've watched Mitch McConnell deadlock and break literally every procedural event that could even possibly be interpreted as a win for the Democratic party simply because they were in the majority at the time. The same man then turned around and used the fact that he gridlocked said government to try and win more political power by lying about his role in it when pressed or using whataboutisms. This is when he wasn't preventing routine court appointments and then turning around and stacking both the federal courts and the supreme court. The man is a ruthless partisan and would literally oppose the other side of the aisle on any issue just because it isn't his party. He even went so far as to say that the reason he voted to acquit in an impeachment had nothing to do with whether or not said impeachee was guilty or not but purely because they were both members of the same party. What kind of a world do we live in now where a politician in America can do so much harm, say the quiet part out loud, and still have a longstanding career in politics? Ruthless partisanship can be one of the worst things to happen at least in this country. You have to pick which battles are deserving of partisanship and the 13th amendment just happened to be one such battle. That being said it was a good thing Thaddeus was right because a central theme of this film is how trying to pass the 13th amendment at the time Lincoln wanted it passed could have damaged their ability to pass it later. Thaddeus himself also had to compromise his very moral principles for the greater common good by stating he did not believe in equality for all things just to get the amendment passed. Politics is about more than just outright partisanship especially when said partisanship gets you nowhere or will hurt the overall country.

@danthemankhan

11 күн бұрын

Found the wild-eyed abolitionist scum. Go marry your daughter to a freedman and leave us be.

"When they look at you, at what it cost to live at the heart of this, they'll wonder at it. They'll wonder at you. They should. But they should also look at the wretched woman by your side, if they want to understand what this was truly like. For an ordinary person. For anyone other than you."

And it’s awesome that the small group of Radical Republicans were able to change so much in the United States.

@evannesbitt7852

2 жыл бұрын

We see here only a fraction of the Radicals who were in the House, Senate. Bear in mind several Governors out of Michigan, Illinois and New York were at one point radical Republicans

In a movie filled with brilliant conversations, this particular one is one of my favorites....Seems so realistic, like how people would really talk...very believable and interesting.

I love tommy lee as Thaddus Stevens! I'm at the edge of my seat off his every word!

@michaelkingsbury4305

11 ай бұрын

TLJ steals every scene he is in, sucks the air out of every room, cowers every scholar with his knowledge, and I'm told by people in film who worked with him is bat shit crazy. Well that's an educated Texican for you. Reminds me of my Dad.

The funny thing they never tell you in this film is that Alexander Stephens was a personal friend of Lincoln’s and that Lincoln trusted him to distribute his letter to the Southern politicians asking them to not secede. Also, Stephens opposed Davis on secession because the one thing that he agreed with William Lloyd Garrison and Lysander Spooner on was that secession would hasten the demise of slavery.

@neilpemberton5523

4 жыл бұрын

But the movie's called Lincoln. But I agree more of Stephens would have been nice. He was possibly the sanest politician in the Deep South, and with horrible irony ended up the Confederate Vice-President. All he could do in such a powerless role was criticise Davis.

@FishHatcheryGuy

4 жыл бұрын

This scene is about Thaddeus Stevens not Alexander Stephens.

@cgallegos2106

10 ай бұрын

@@neilpemberton5523”the sanest politician in the Deep South”, have you read the “Cornerstone” Speech?

@cgallegos2106

10 ай бұрын

You do know Alexander Stephens gave “the Cornerstone Speech” right? Yeah, he was an ardent Southern democrat, but he was still a rabid white supremacist. He was against secession but praise it as soon as he could.

@neilpemberton5523

10 ай бұрын

@cgallegos2106 Yes, I have. The sane Southern politicians tried to stop secession, because everyone agreed the Constitution protected slavery, unless you were stupid enough to secede. Public and legal opinion in the North was overwhelmingly antisecession, and during a war Lincoln could find a legal basis to emancipate slaves who made it to Union lines. Stephens was not insane in supporting slavery, just short-sighted, deluded and callous in the way of the South of his time.

Back in the day when the republicans were the radicals

@Spongebrain97

4 жыл бұрын

Now its literally just about supporting rich people at the expense of everyone else. Dems do it too but at least there's guys like Bernie sanders and richard ojeda who break the mold

@garrettstephens3081

4 жыл бұрын

Creepy Closet if you think Bernie sanders isn’t one of those rich bastards then you are just stupid

@jimmy2k4o

4 жыл бұрын

Still are. And the democrats still keep black people down, this time, so the democrat can stand on their shoulders and proclaim that they fight for these people. Even though it’s radical republican president that has done more for blacks in American than Obama didn’t in 8 years. If I were a democrat I’d be embarrassed everywhere I go.

@1daddy57

4 жыл бұрын

In the face of SJW dogma, they are again, the radicals....offering radical ideas like individual responsibility, and freedom

@garrettstephens3081

4 жыл бұрын

1daddy57 freedom? Oh no that’s terrible... who wants freedom besides everyone?

Believe me when I say that I LOVE he had an answer for everything

I love this scene this how politics act beyond doors 🍺🍻🥂🥃🥃

‘Trust? Oh, I’m sorry, I was in the misapprehension you chosen profession was politics.’ 😂😂

Stevens never trusted Lincoln, but they had a respect for one another.

@rlkinnard

6 ай бұрын

i am not sure about that.

"Mans never been near a whale ship in his life" Lol dude said that with so much malice

@jmr1090

2 жыл бұрын

*whale ship

@n_v9386

Жыл бұрын

@@jmr1090 sorry i was high as shit

Thaddeus Stevens speaches Majorly contributed to the 13 Amendment getting passed

@kayvan671

3 жыл бұрын

It's very sad that he died so early... He could have accomplished more in the time of reconstruction after Andrew Johnson. But unfortunately reconstruction was not popular anymore when Grant came into office. That explains most problems of later american society.

@danthemankhan

11 күн бұрын

@@kayvan671 The face of Reconstruction that people saw was either bent on vengeance against the South, or bent on self-enrichment at their expense. Of course it was not popular.

Every time I leave work. “ it’s late, I’m old. I’m going home.”

@ijunkie

Жыл бұрын

The old are young at heart. The young are old at heart.

“The mans never been near a whale ship in his life!”

@RenaissanceM

3 жыл бұрын

Lol I remember hearing that line, and thinking to myself “yeah because that’s the point of what he was saying!” 😂

@LordZontar

10 ай бұрын

It's likely Lincoln read Melville so he'd have at least an academic idea about whalers and whaling ships even if he'd never actually seen one.

The way TLJ exited the room is the mic drop of the 1860's.

Watching this scene, and having watched the one where Lincoln and Steven talking privately to each other, I understand why Martin Scorsese said the Marvel franchise is not real cinema.

Man, if only Republicans were like this today

@colinmerritt7645

4 ай бұрын

"It's late, I itch from syphilis, and you didn't pay me a million dollars." - Trump

@danthemankhan

11 күн бұрын

Well, to be fair, I'd guess that Trump has even less knowledge of whaling ships than Lincoln did. Not that he'd ever admit that. "Folks we've got to bring whaling back, you send the little boats out with the harpoons, we love the harpoons don't we, and frankly Sleepy Joe wants to take all the harpoons away, you want to lose your country folks, you start by taking the harpoons. They want that, we don't want that, we never wanted that, and we're doing very well with regard to whales, that I can tell you."

A bust of Robespierre is an interesting touch

@evannesbitt7852

2 жыл бұрын

Probably accurate too

@danthemankhan

11 күн бұрын

Not surprising. They took the mantle of "radical" seriously.

He saw the gambit. What a joy to be apprehended.

@rdjrdj

4 жыл бұрын

Willwork4 XRP inspired comment!

Tommy Lee Jones fucking owns his scenes

Amazing performances here, everywhere you looked

Tommy Lee Jones in one of his finest hours

"Retain even in opposition your capacity for astonishment."

This was back when Politicians had testicles... Now look at where we are now...

@reppinseattle7974

5 жыл бұрын

They still have testicles, they are just in their mouth now.

@aaronjanestrada9484

5 жыл бұрын

@@reppinseattle7974 Problem is that those have cancer.

@MegaToonzNetwork

5 жыл бұрын

I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE AARON JAN ESTRADA STATES OF AMERICA CLOTHED IN AWESOME, IMMENSE POWER! YOU WILL PROCURE ME THOSE VOTES!" @@aaronjanestrada9484

@aaronjanestrada9484

5 жыл бұрын

@@MegaToonzNetwork wut😂😂😂

@MegaToonzNetwork

5 жыл бұрын

@@aaronjanestrada9484 You said that in your 1995 inaugural address!

Imagine the state of politics now, in which we can't see this happening on our era. Today, politics feels like fans during a game of football rather than people actually working for the good of all of us. There are things that are better in our era, for sure. Science being one of them just to name an example, but how come we have degradated from the glorious bits and pieces we see in this film, to what we have today? PS: I'm from Venezuela, but I think this has happened across all the globe, sadly.

@AkilesJose

2 жыл бұрын

@jbl good perspective. Will dig more into it. Thank you!

@danthemankhan

11 күн бұрын

Well these guys weren't "fighting for the good of all of us", they didn't care one bit about the good of the slave-owners.

It is the biggest tragedy that slavery could not have ended without a war that killed over 600k people and the way it was fought continues bad feelings and more to this day. I wonder if the southern state leaders in 1776 would have accepted its end right then if they could see the deaths

@calkelpdiver

3 жыл бұрын

No, the southern agricultural economic engine was built on slave labor. That is why they wouldn't have allowed slavery to end in 1776 and then in 1860 fought against its end. The North saw the Civil war as two things; first pulling back together the Union and then second the end of slavery. The South saw it as a separation of its states from an overbearing North and the saving of its economic engine (which its labor force was the slaves). That is why when the South started the process of ending the war they wanted to be allowed to keep their slaves so their economy wouldn't collapse. Also, the South saw a truce as an ending. The North did not and wanted a surrender and complete re-absorption of the southern states along with the end of Slavery. Reconstruction was to facilitate the whole process.

@roryclague5876

3 жыл бұрын

In 150 years someone will ask this question about politicians from 2020 in relation to climate change. The attitude 'it's a problem for someone else to solve' is the source of a lot of evils.

@danthemankhan

11 күн бұрын

@@roryclague5876 Perhaps they will. Or perhaps they will laugh and joke about people in the olden times believing in climate change. We can only speculate.

When Jesus spoke in parables it was done to allow those who comprehend what he said while those who don’t believe will not understand

@danthemankhan

11 күн бұрын

I disagree. I'm an agnostic and I understand the point of his parables quite well. And yet, many Christians seem to have missed the point entirely. Hmmmmm.

Tommy Lee Jones is a class act.

Tommy Lee Jones really brought Thaddeus Stevens to life

I believe that 'Lincoln' is the finest work Spielberg has ever done ❤

What a roaster.

Yet "Argo" won for Best Picture. I dont mean to denigrate that movie. But this is so great!

@rocketguardian2001

2 жыл бұрын

Yes of the two "historical" films, the one that was a complete lie won.

"Hasn't he surprised you? No. That's because you're boring haha what a burn!

Who knows what modern technology you can see in this vid.. btw a great movie I must say

I think that's a bust of Robespierre on his desk!

@joeszymaszek1146

3 жыл бұрын

Could be Lafayette

@GH-oi2jf

10 ай бұрын

I have read elsewhere that it is Robespierre. Stevens was likened to Robespierre by his detractors. Maybe the set designers were making a little joke.

Tommy lee Jones deserves an Oscar for this performance

It really helps when you 'providers' take the extra three seconds to name and date the damned movie. Some of us have lives and don't live in mom's basement.

@danthemankhan

11 күн бұрын

2004, "Dude Where's My Car?". You're welcome.

Daniel Hardman and Alan Shore in the same movie! I wish Denny Crane was in there somewhere too along with Harvey Spectre and Mike Ross and Jessica Pearson could have been a wife of one of the black soldiers, while Shirley Schmidt could have been Lincoln's wife! Wow that would have been just great

Great Movie-

Thaddeus Stevens is a Chad.

Stevens Roast Asa 😂

Stevens was a king.

What a cast !

Daniel Hardmam, Raymond Reddington and The Director of the Cabal enter a bar......

Thaddeus “Thunderbolt” Stevens

Anyone notice the modern door closer at the top of the door!!

@danthemankhan

11 күн бұрын

Apparently they were invented only a dozen years after this movie was set. Who knew?

@gabegu5102

11 күн бұрын

@@danthemankhan really that’s wild I had to look it up there was a one invented in the late 1700s but the hydraulic one started being widely used in the late 1910s

.....MIC DROP!

Tommy Lee Jones rose to the occasion in this movie

Not seen here - a cut scene just before the sequence opens where Thaddeus Stevens and Litton argue about which of the three _Kung Fu Panda_ movies is the best one. "Sir, as one gentleman and scholar to another, I say to you with utmost candour that Bryan Cranston's vocal performance as Po's long-lost father made 3 the unadulterated cinematic triumph it assuredly was!"

A bust of Robespierre on his desk? I have to say that choice baffles me but I'm working on it.

@joeszymaszek1146

3 жыл бұрын

Could be Marquis de Lafayette. Would make more sense

@jda4111

3 жыл бұрын

@@joeszymaszek1146 Robespierre would certainly be more radical.

@GH-oi2jf

10 ай бұрын

Stevens was likened to Robespierre by his detractors, so the bust may have been just an inside joke by the set designers.

I voted McClellan in '64.

@danthemankhan

11 күн бұрын

I need a bumper sticker: "Don't Blame Me, I Voted Constitutional Union".

This scene is why I'm not a fan of a lot of politicians and lawyers. Are you in favor of something being passed or not? Is it a good idea or not? Who cares WHO is getting it passed. Just get it passed.

@danthemankhan

11 күн бұрын

Well in this case they are afraid it is being used as a bargaining chip, offer to take it off the table if the South returns to the fold. So it isn't entirely certain that their support will actually lead to passage.

Thaddeus Stevens was a radical abolitionist in the Republican Party. He once said during the Civil War: "And if it's necessary to turn the South into a howling wilderness to free the slaves, so be it." And when he died it took a while to find a cemetery for him, because in his last will he explicitly forbade to be buried on a segregated cemetery. Rather all cemeteries were "whites only" and "others only" at that time. At the end but they found one.

@crimony3054

3 ай бұрын

Sounds like the Boston Bomber. As a resident of Boston who was unconvicted of any crime, he had a right to be buried in the public cemetery. But while the good people of Massachusetts demand that others have unsegregated cemeteries, they themselves will not do hard things that the law requires.

@danthemankhan

11 күн бұрын

Sounds like he had a case of the Woke Mind Virus.

I dub this scene, everyone hates Lincoln

@humbertoflores2545

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah sure.. and he won the second period by landslade against traitor useless Union General McClellan..

@t.c.thompson2359

3 жыл бұрын

3 of them were defending him

@Pravdacz-tp8zu

3 жыл бұрын

@@humbertoflores2545 There was serious risk of him losing reelection. That's why he chose Democrat Andrew Johnson to be his new VP. To appeal to some Democrats. He mostly won because of what happened shortly before the election, loyalty of Union soldiers and people believing that it's their duty to re-elect wartime president, even though the war was extremely unpopular.

nobody: senator wayde: wHaLeRs???

Nice

Nice.

The disunited Republican Party... Somethings never change.

You know this fact is particularly interesting to note- Thaddeus Stevens was a Whig at one time, who were very much pro slavery.

@sirmoonslosthismind

4 жыл бұрын

prior to the creation of the republican party, there was no party specifically opposed to slavery. the parties were organized around other issues.

@thefreeman8791

4 жыл бұрын

The Republican Party was mostly Whigs. Lincoln himself was a Whig longer then he was a Republican and he called Henry Clay, the KY slave holder, the “bough ideal of a statesman”. Some Republicans had been Democrats before. David Wilmot of PA was a Democrat turned Republican but he also had no problem with slavery.

@Pravdacz-tp8zu

3 жыл бұрын

He was also Know-nothing at one point.

@danthemankhan

11 күн бұрын

The Whigs were not "very much pro slavery"; just like with Democrats, there were views all across the spectrum. Whigs tended to not be so focused on the issue exactly because it was divisive for their membership and thus not helpful when it came time to pull together and win an election. Though I suppose it is true that every Whig who got elected President was pro-slavery.

Don't give your soul to the pony = Don't trust the pony.

@jt7638

4 жыл бұрын

???

@richardlopez5195

4 жыл бұрын

@@jt7638 it might already be too late some ponies aren't meant for the light.

When republicans were americans....wake up the world is falling apart!!!!!!!!

Thaddeus could not sanction Asa's buffoonery.

Question from a Canadian: did the south try to throw out the 13th amendment when they rejoined the union?

@crimony3054

3 ай бұрын

The elections immediately after the Civil War prohibited most ex-Confederates from voting, and especially from running for office. So most of the politicians were freed slaves. All the relevant legislatures passed the amendments. But Lincoln had the votes he needed. He needed majorities in 3/4ths (75%) of the state legislatures, and he already had 25/36ths, 70%. Ending slavery would have been far, far more difficult if the southern states had not seceded.

@danthemankhan

11 күн бұрын

No, their states were governed by pro-Northern Republican governments for about ten years, and besides, once an amendment passes, the only way to throw it out is to repeal it, and the south knew they'd never get the northern states on board with that. They tended to focus more on circumventing the amendments granting citizenship and the right to vote to the freedmen. I wouldn't be surprised if somebody somewhere brought a lawsuit claiming that the southern governments that ratified the amendment weren't representative of their populations (only freed slaves and those who had supported the Union were permitted to vote) and thus their acts were illegitimate, but I doubt it got any traction. It was very much a "rub their secessionist noses in it" era.

Ok. Pay attention. Ill explain his witts.

1:03

God I wish someone would write out this scene but in words I can understand! Lol but for real if someone could write out this scene in modern language and side notes explaining what they are saying actually means and all that would be so amazing and I would dance at their wedding!

Don't mix fact with cinematic license ...

Dat dang Democrats

If Asa wasn't re-elected why is he in the House of Representatives at all?

@alessiodelcastillo1613

3 жыл бұрын

@Benj Smith Productions He's a lame-duck politician essentially. Lost the election but his term isn't up yet

@danthemankhan

11 күн бұрын

In those days every state had their elections at different times but the Congressional term always ended at the same time. Some states had Congressmen in office for over a year after losing re-election.

Compare this with Republicans in the 21st Century and be sad for a moment.

Just a gentle reminder that the names for the parties were switched back then. Republican = Modern Democrat Democrat = Modern Republican

@1313tennisman

3 жыл бұрын

in important ways yes but certainly not in every way

@kayvan671

3 жыл бұрын

Modern Democrat? Dude no. Republicans back then were totally progressives. You just insulted them as Democrats.

@swordarmstudios6052

2 жыл бұрын

They switched partially - but that switch really happened in the 1960s. With the civil rights act, that ironically more got more republicans support than democratic support. Republicans during this era were still a small goverment, pro-business, and anti-slavery party. The democratic party was a working class, labor and socially conservative party. They were extremely populist. Vestiges of that Republican party still exist - essentially northern republicans with who are quite popular in blue states, like Charlie Baker and Larry Hogan. In many ways the switch of the parties started back then, but the coalitions have shifted in stages and not all at once. It's almost but not entirely complete now. I think it's likely you'll see pro-growth elements of the Republican party now, who are generally liberal socially, cut ties and become a conservative wing of the democratic party. The process is already starting. FDR for example passed the New Deal, with support of conservative southern democrats - and it was opposed by the Lincoln Wing of the Republicans for being goverment overreach. The anti-goverment strain of Republican thought was alive and well during the civil war. One of the conflicts in the movie was how the Conservative Republicans wanted to end slavery while still maintaining seperation of powers, but the radicals were more willing to expand goverment power if it meant the end of slavery. But both wings were anti-slavery.

@GH-oi2jf

10 ай бұрын

Not quite that simple.

@danthemankhan

11 күн бұрын

Do you hold this metaphor to also apply to the then-Republicans impeaching a President for violating a law they passed for the sole reason of getting him to violate it? Is this a modern Democrat strategy? What about the Compromise of 1876, where the then-Republicans traded protecting the civil rights of Southern blacks for winning the Presidency? Is this a modern Democrat strategy?

BLM 1865

where is Lincoln? he is blowing his body guard.

Lol this is the same GOP as today? If you say radical republicans you would be talking about something completely different...literally the ideological opposite

@GH-oi2jf

10 ай бұрын

It is the same party in name only. Lincoln would not recognize today’s Republicans.

@WyattPriceTV

6 ай бұрын

@@GH-oi2jf Based on what?