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@MrDeclareWar

Ай бұрын

Lille simply cannot win because it would be a miracle if gerard wins, which means he'd win because gerard would be severly outmatched at the start. Which is exactly why gerard wins 9/10. A few things wrong, 1) Lille isn't intangible to energy attacks. Hence why shunsuis reiryoku thread cut him. 2) Lilles cutting AP is not greater than bankai Kenpachi and True bankai toshiro hax so he couldn't destroy gerards cross like they couldn't. All the damage gerard takes will just be converted into power, lille does not have this ability, lille only has regeneration when transforming and he only has 2 higher forms. He might be able to destroy the cross with his gun but that assumes he hits him and his cross and that it doesn't get destroyed as the gun is the only time he can uniformly penetrate. In other words its probability based..... who manipulates probability. thats right. Gerard has damage sharing, so if hoffnung is cut by lilles light attack, the same damage will be reflected onto lille and kill him like it did with nanao. The miracle will also just make it so he can cut through lilles intangibility since it manipulates reality. Miracle = Subjective Probability/Reality manipulation > X-axis

@Jimmysavile69inurmum

Ай бұрын

MrTommo I don’t think you should touch this subject, you aren’t a powerscaler.

@TheBigExclusive

Ай бұрын

If Kubo says Bankai Kenpachi can't cut Gerard's heart, then Lille can't break it with a Sniper rifle. I rank Bankai Kenpachi above Lille's Sniper rounds in destructive power.

@zefanyaraysanevadalaput7371

Ай бұрын

​@@TheBigExclusiveexactly even bankai kenpachi cut Gerard clean in the middle but the cross still intact no scratch

@harlemgemini3048

Ай бұрын

I agree ​@@MrDeclareWar

With the Schutzstaffel, Kubo thought, " What if plot armor was an actual in world power?"

@deaths2934

Ай бұрын

Sternritter P, the Plot Armor lol

@vb2806

Ай бұрын

So that's why Robert lost. Sternritter N. No plot Armour

@NyambeneDenHaag

Ай бұрын

"And just because I can, I'm gonna sprinkle a bit of 1940s Nazism just to spice things up a bit 😌 because say what you want about them, but they sure did know how to dress well" - Kubo, probably

@xeithar9236

Ай бұрын

@@deaths2934that’s just Ichigo…

@josephmother2659

Ай бұрын

@@xeithar9236yeah you’re correct but people still complain too much about the main antagonists and protagonists being near equal in stories (because that’s how stories work). It does definitely get out of hand like yhwach having omniscience and still losing, ichigo fighting the 3 strongest characters throughout the story because the plot required him to, and Gerard having unlimited regeneration and power increases because (reasons)

"My power penetrates all" is the most Chad Fuckboy thing ever

@kaimanthelizardwizard1248

Ай бұрын

Nick's Cannon

@supergerard25

Ай бұрын

The canon of Nick

@ez_is_bloo

Ай бұрын

Came from a black guy too, very fitting.

@RipplingOphelia

Ай бұрын

Lillie is the penis of the Soul King

@roywempor8395

Ай бұрын

​@@ez_is_bloo how so?

Ultimate One-Shot vs Ultimate Damage Sponge. I feel like I’m playing World Of Tanks.

@100nakpvp2

Ай бұрын

As someone who doesn't play that game. I find it very funny

@HOLDENPOPE

Ай бұрын

World of Tanks' ads are hysterical to me, if it's the World of Tanks I think you're talking about.

@CaptainKotetsu

Ай бұрын

@@HOLDENPOPE The ads where tanks just randomly run sh*t over and ruin peoples’ days? Yes, those ads are great.

@rexflores8461

Ай бұрын

the ultimate one-shot is also a ultimate damage sponge

Honestly, I think the main thing Lille has to watch out for is Gerard’s sword, Hoffnung. True, he does have intangibility but if he can be affected by Shunsui’s shared pain part of his Bankai, I can imagine the same thing happening to him by damaging Hoffnung.

@kakashihatake1029

Ай бұрын

Yeah. It would seem any form of power reflection is Barros weakness. No just Nanaos zanpakuto. Which also makes it clear to me that Haschwalth is a terrible matchup for Barro too

@AdellRedwinters

Ай бұрын

Cutting such a foe..would truly need a MIRACLE

@iliketowatchnfl3515

Ай бұрын

@@kakashihatake1029unless he one shots jugram.

@sasailicc

Ай бұрын

Except he cant one shoot Jugram, who is miles above when it comes to speed and durability feats​@@iliketowatchnfl3515

@muchoyurdem5260

Ай бұрын

​​@sasailicc Sure "Miles above when it comes to feats and durability" how many miles would that be? Are we talking about America to Asia miles or Tokyo to Okinawa? 😂

When I saw the line that basically sums up as "Oh no. I'm such a big guy I can't find you tiny people and that's exactly why I'll find you" I burst out laughing thinking that in a fight between Gerard and Lille Gerard would go like: "Oh no. I can't hit you because you're intangible... and that's exactly why I'll hit you!!" or "Oh no. You can pierce my core with your penetrating x-axis... AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHY YOU CAN'T PENETRATE ME!!!" 😂

@adolessons6219

Ай бұрын

That's exactly why I think Gerard wins. The fact Lille can't be hit in his holy form I don't see why the miracle wouldn't turn that around into Gerard's favor

@ChrisIchiban

Ай бұрын

Exactly, his Miracle would overwrite every other gimmick

All I know for sure is, these flights are gonna be epic animated.

I love that "Who wasn't easy against us?" line! It hints at other battles they have been in and I wonder when they were and against who?

@FGame2star

Ай бұрын

probably most of the other Quincies that didn't accept Yhwach

@AlexDrewsumin

Ай бұрын

Also, hollow without a doubt. They also could theoretically have been there before aizen and left before he ever had been born. Them using their skills on other Quincy makes sense, but there's gotta be another litmus test. And it could have also been shinigami who found out about the Quincy or ones who were used for intel for perpetration for the war. A prison or Intel unit. Or some sort of execution camp is easy to see for the Quincy, especially considering it's been shown before w the hollow. It wouldn't be hard to believe they've done it before.

The only question is can the X pierce Gerard's Cross? If yes, he wins. As kubo said Gerard can be killed if his cross is broken.

@havoc5791

Ай бұрын

@@felipez3115to be more specific the question was about Kenpachi being capable

@felipez3115

Ай бұрын

@@havoc5791 Yeah I saw a different translation but is probably wrong.

@Jacaerys1

Ай бұрын

@@havoc5791which Kenpachi wasn’t able to.

@ackkenan2346

Ай бұрын

How I see it is that the Quincy Cross is a manifestation of the heart of the soul king as well what else would it be? As such can the X-Axis destroy the heart that belongs to effectively the God of the universe

@crosis2

Ай бұрын

Lille still has to hit, just the X-axis being able to destroy the cross does not make it a sure win

Gerard's heart almost sounds like a Hogyoku. Nearly impossible to destroy and just like with Aizen it kept on constantly powering him up over and over. Someone should ask Kubo if Urahara essentially created a sudo Reio heart.

Tommo: "Gerard gets cut in half by Kenpachi, that move would have virtually killed every single character in the series" Aizen: nuh-uh

@brq_1009

Ай бұрын

Aizen: Nah i'd Adapt

@hitkid2456

Ай бұрын

Definitely not Pernida either.

@muchoyurdem5260

Ай бұрын

Lille. Sk Yhwach, Ichigo too.

@envan7865

Ай бұрын

​@muchoyurdem5260 Don't see how Ichigo survives being vertically bisected. That's a far more severe injury than he's ever had, his only hope would be that White Zangetsu takes over like in the Ulquiorra fight, but I don't know that even White could take that

@muchoyurdem5260

Ай бұрын

@@envan7865 How did Zaraki survive when Ichigo tried to vertically bisect him in the SS arc the first time they fought? How did he survive all the attacks of SOUL KING Yhwach? 1. There is a powersystem in the verse 2. Are you saying Zaraki has higher attack Potency then Yhwach?

When the archangels clash, even the heavens tremble from their power. That said, I would put my money on Gerard.

I think something important to think about would be whether or not the miracle can bypass Lilles intangibility. If hitting Lillie is impossible, could the miracle make it possible?

@yuwannaknownodrip5079

Ай бұрын

I was gonna right this argument too so W m8.

@AT4HS

Ай бұрын

I mean, if it did, that would be a miracle

@AlexDrewsumin

Ай бұрын

No because the miracles ability isn't to generate actual miracles. It just brings him back and he calls it the miracle. It essentially just makes him immortal as long as he has the cross.

@harlemgemini3048

Ай бұрын

For sure it can

@harlemgemini3048

Ай бұрын

​@AlexDrewsuminno your wrong. It actually makes miraclesin Gerard's favor. Remember when it was almost impossible for him to find the shinigami then the miracle made it that he instantly found them.

Since Kubo confirmed that Gerard would die if the cross gets destroyed, I imagine Lille shouldn’t have much of a problem dealing with that since his X-Axis ignores durability and penetrates anything and everything. I believe Lille is the strongest Schutzstaffel in my opinion since he had to be defeated by a specific god slaying sword. He isn’t the leader for nothing.

@Pridam

Ай бұрын

Yeah there's a reason Lille is the leader of the Schutzstaffel. If he felt that he wasn't adequate or strong enough to lead Yhwach's Royal Guard, Gerard would certainly challenge him for the position, or at least threaten him the same way he threatened Askin due to him having just been promoted to the Schutzsaffel. Being the first to be bestowed by the QUincy King's power really does have it's perks because it would have meant that Lille was given far more power than the other Sternritter. Although Gerard himself never received a new power when he was given his Schrift since it was just something he was given to acknowledge the power he already had

@ackkenan2346

Ай бұрын

How I see it is that the Quincy Cross is a manifestation of the heart of the soul king as well what else would it be? As such can the X-Axis destroy the heart that belongs to effectively the God of the universe

@marctm7614

Ай бұрын

​@@PridamGerard has a strong sense of camaraderie with his fellow Quincy. He threatened to cut down Askin if he "fell behind," but he also immediately accepted Uryū as their newest member when he pretended to shoot Ichigo off the palace. He certainly would never fight Lille for his position just because he's stronger, he is the literal embodiment of undying loyalty to Yhwach.

@Pridam

Ай бұрын

@@marctm7614 He immediately accepted Uryu AFTER hearing Uryu's declaration of his "loyalty" to Yhwach. I'm just saying, that he would threaten any of the Schutzstaffel if they haven't proven themselves in both loyalty and fighting ability

@marctm7614

Ай бұрын

@@Pridam Not sure why you repeated what I said, but alright.

Lille is the unstoppable force, Gerard is the immovable object, we cannot tell what happens when the two clashes but it's gonna be one awsome fucking fight

It would truly be a miracle if hoffnung gained the properties of shinken hakkyoken...

Real interested in this one- especially given what's coming up! Hope you're doing great, Tommo. Fingers crossed we get a cour 3 date soon.

"Oh no, hurting Lille is impossible" *becomes possible* Tadaaa

X-Axis is an Unstoppable Force and Gerard's Cross is an Immovable Object.

@AlexDrewsumin

Ай бұрын

It's destroyable w non godlike hacks.

@TheAnomaly00

Ай бұрын

​@AlexDrewsumin I think the point Kubo made is that it is _indestructible_ without godlike hacks. Bankai Kenpachi couldn't even scratch it. Hell, I even doubt mugetsu could so much as leave a mark. The X-axis *might* be one of the very few things that can damage it, but then the problem becomes Lille actually hitting Gerard. (Edit: clarifying of position)

@jocoolshow

Ай бұрын

@@TheAnomaly00I doubt the x axis is stronger than Toshiro conceptual freezing ability or Kenpachi’s spatial cutting

@sladew9788

Ай бұрын

​@@TheAnomaly00x-axis not one of the ability that can damage the cross, rather it is one of the abilities that can directly attack the cross. Nothing suggests it can even leave a scratch on it. Kubo never said any character can destroy it, all he said was if something is capable enough to destroy the cross, sure Gerard would die, but also suggests that even bankai zaraki at that time couldn't achieve that (the epitome of pure destruction).

@TheAnomaly00

Ай бұрын

@sladew9788 Here's a much more comprehensive take on the whole X-axis vs. Gerard's heart. Let's say that as Lille and Gerard are getting ready to throw down, Lille gets one free shot that hits. There are at minimum three outcomes. The first, simplest, and most likely outcome is that the x-axis is unable to damage the core, thus making it a moot point. Now, the second outcome is where things get interesting. Assuming the x-axis _can_ pierce Gerard's heart, the question becomes how much of an effect would a mere hole in it would have? Because Kubo's phrasing implies that the entire cross must be destroyed completely in order to kill Gerard. If that is the case, then it is likely that the cross itself would be restored by The Miracle. The third option is that _because_ the x-axis *can* pierce the heart, The Miracle would kick in and make it unable to do so.

Great vid Tom! Can't wait to enjoy all the content we will have when part 3 is out.

It would be a miracle if Gerard could somehow overcome Lille's intangible light form

@5SDcards

Ай бұрын

Lille one shots in base

@muchoyurdem5260

Ай бұрын

​​​@@5SDcardsIn your dreams. In his strongest form he couldn't even one shot Shunsui 😂. Yall fanboying someone and your only arguments are no limit fallacys and headcanon

@5SDcards

Ай бұрын

@@muchoyurdem5260 Gerard in base got statued by Oetsu while Lille still had time to shoot Oetsu with bullets instead of the X axis.

@muchoyurdem5260

Ай бұрын

@5SDcards bruhh what a nonsense argument. Lille only had time because Oetsu gave him that time 🤦‍♂️. Gerard was simply the first one to directly attack him lmfao. And Lille got one shot the same as Gerard. Also what does that prove? And what does that have to do with my argument? Nothing you said changes the fact that Lille wasn't able to One shot even Shunsui even in his stronger forms 😂. Funny how you are trying to ignore the fact that i debunked your claim

@5SDcards

Ай бұрын

@@muchoyurdem5260 What does Shunsui have to do with Gerard? If not for Nanao coming to Shunsui, he was implied to have given up and was dying after he was shot in the abdomen by Lille. Gerard being perception blitzed during his swing has nothing to do with him being the first to attack.

long time lurker here but thanks tommo for the consistent and in depth bleach content. also love how well spoken u are lol you’ve come a long way

It would take a miracle for Gerard to cut down Lille's intangible, indestructible heavenly body... ...which is why that's exactly what would happen. The hope of the masses would sunder the heavens.

@Jimmysavile69inurmum

Ай бұрын

Facts.

@qmoney9997

Ай бұрын

Even if he could cut him because of his miracle Lillie would also come back his miracle gives him more power it doesn’t take it away from others it’s a stalemate unless the X axis can destroy Gerard’s Quincy cross then Lilie wins

@UltraStarWarsFanatic

Ай бұрын

@@qmoney9997 Not the case. Lille can be harmed beyond recovery, like he was when his own holy power was turned on him. And there exists no holier power than the Soul King's.

It's not just Aizen and Gerard, Ayon also survived being split in half and even remained combat capable. Not that big of a deal, but something to note when discussing how rarely people survive vertical bisection in Bleach.

@RFDN0

Ай бұрын

Ayon, didn't survive. It is a golem.

@marctm7614

Ай бұрын

Weird, it says I have a reply but I can't see anything. Anyway, Ayon absolutely survived being cut in half and Yamamoto resorted to scorching him with Ryūjinjakka to defeat him.

@hitkid2456

Ай бұрын

​@@marctm7614I think they meant it didn't really have a soul or existence or whatever. I don't see it as any different than Dangai Joue. Also I think it may have succumbed to its injuries eventually.

@marctm7614

Ай бұрын

@@hitkid2456 Ayon is a living entity, he is completely different from Komamaru's Bankai - which is just a manifestation of Reiatsu.

@envan7865

Ай бұрын

​@@marctm7614He is a living entity that has died at least twice though, clearly Ayon's not quite the same as most living beings

Lille destroys the Quincy Cross of Gerard. No miracle for Gerard. 💀

@kalamafraggre1

Ай бұрын

Round 1 ko

@logsgdodo

Ай бұрын

It would be A MIRCALE if he couldn't

@philbuttler3427

Ай бұрын

The Quincy Cross has nothing to do with the Miracle working or not as far as we know. That's just a fan theory

@MrDeclareWar

Ай бұрын

Well only his gun could possibly destroy the quincy cross, he'd have to know where it is and hit gerard, base ouetsu dodged his gun trajectory aswell as shikai shunsui and the gerard and lille are above them. To imply gerard cant dodge and lille would hit the cross and destroy it is clear bias. And if the gun is destroyed then lille has no way of shooting uniformly penetrating bullets and his higher forms use light attacks. He doesn't have the ability, power and stamina to kill gerard unless he gets extremely lucky at the start but the miracle itself manipulates probability and reality subjectively to benefit gerard lille isnt winning. Lille will just serve to damage/kill gerard and amp him continously. Lilles intangibility is only matter based and the miracle itself will allow for gerard to bypass the ability of matter intangibility, since thats what it does. Lille simply cannot win because it would be a miracle if gerard wins, which means he'd win because gerard would be severly outmatched at the start. Which is exactly why gerard wins 9/10.

@phstingray205

Ай бұрын

@@philbuttler3427there is literally a club outside that confirms that theory lol. That being said I don’t agree that Lillie can break it.

"Im the fastest strongest mightiest of all Quincys" VS "im second only to god" "my arrows can pierce anything" kinda though to know since they both hype themselves up so much

@muchoyurdem5260

Ай бұрын

You forgot in the first part, "The divine authority, a God and the most noble and Purest of God's Knight's: The heart of the Soul King."

Man Lille is intangible and can’t die… the odds are so stacked against Gerard! it really would take a miracle for Gerard to be able to damage Lille…

Awesome to have the vs matches back xD hope to see some more of these in the future. Kyoraku or Kenpachi would be great to see.

@Force-Multiplier

Ай бұрын

Kyoraku VS Zaraki is a draw at best for Zaraki due to the shared wounds unless Kyoraku doesn't get serious and gets killed before Bankai

@jeremyleonjonas7657

Ай бұрын

@@Force-Multiplier tbh Kenpachi is significantly more powerful then Kyoraku and depending on how much you believe him to be he may unironically neg that hax. But I didn't necessarly mean to match them up against each other (don't want 2 of my 3 favorite chars slaughtering each other).

@Force-Multiplier

Ай бұрын

@@jeremyleonjonas7657 if Lille didn't negged the hax i don't see Zaraki doing it Zaraki was claimed to be unable to break the Core by the Klub Outside reveal Lille is still in contention to that besides Lille has confirmed divinity status from the sword that only cuts gods working on him and Zaraki was paralyzed by Mayuri's Shikai just fine so i doubt Kyoraku's Bankai won't work on him

@jeremyleonjonas7657

Ай бұрын

@@Force-Multiplier if we include CFYOW, Kenpachi is very much shown to be on the low end tier of Ichigo, Hikone or Aizen. Which I just don't see Kyoraku reaching. But even so, there is still the fact that Kenpachi would very easily be able to beat Kyoraku without bankai. He is demonstratively capable of overpowering captain tiers, is extremely adaptive when presented with tricksy abilities and is likely the better swordsman (not by much, I'll admit and Kyoraku obviously would make up for that much in kido). And all thats before accounting his extremely nerfed bankai considering he doesn't even know its name (for reference: we know the impact a fake name has from Renji and Yumichika) and was only using it for the very first time.

@Force-Multiplier

Ай бұрын

@@jeremyleonjonas7657 CFYOW Zaraki is the same as TYBW Zaraki they never said he was stronger and unless we get confirmation of him being stronger in CFYOW (wich there isn't and its just 6 months of peace later so there is no reason for him to be stronger either) then he's just fighting weaker oponents in CFYOW than in TYBW there is no way Hisagi would beat Gerard or Lille or even Pernida but he did beat Hikone hax or no hax he still couldn't do the same to any of the Schutzstaffels Askin will become inmune equalized or not and Hisagi will suffer and suffer even if Askin can't kill Hisagi either eventually Hisagi should pass out from the pain since his Bankai doesn't make him inmune to things or anything Pernida will just keep regenerating and eventually touch and control Hisagi Lille is intangible equalized stats or not but unlike the others he can't kill Hisagi or do anything to him UNLESS *he breaks Hisagi's Zanpakuto* wich rarely gets brought up and Gerard is on a similar boat to Pernida but he can't control Hisagi either however he could steal it and become inmune to Hollow Reiatsu with the Miracle and this is consistent too Hikone was claimed to need Hougyoku to be Transcendent like Aizen proving that Hikone wasn't quite there and his/her (whatever the sex or lack of it lol) biggest power boost came from Nails of Reio Pernida and Gerard are limbs or vital organs of Reio and got the Auswählen boost on top of that and Lille is relative to them just for extra reference Zaraki didn't even go Shikai on Hikone when he tried that with Pernida he got no diffed then he used Bankai on Gerard and Klub outside awnsers to a fan on the matter gave the awnser is basically saying that the core wasn't destroyed by Zaraki's Bankai ... there's plenty of evidence of this and nothing Zaraki does there really puts him above his TYBW feats as for Zaraki being stronger than Kyoraku physically yeah we agree there in the physical sense he is superior but that won't change the unavoidable draw *at best* for Zaraki due to the shared wounds Kyoraku on the other hand can use Bankai and dispel Bankai at will and has the advantages of being able to attack from the Shadows and hide there plus tons of other hax a very slight advantage but still higher odds heck if Kyoraku see's himself unable to win but absolutely wants Zaraki dead all he needs to do is un-alive himself and that's all she wrote

I haven't watched the video yet but thank you for uploading it

I use to believe this was a never ending battle but with kubo confirming Gerard’s weakness then Lille simply erases his core . Leader of the Elites wins

@Force-Multiplier

Ай бұрын

Depends since same as Lille claimed to be able to pierce anything and be second only to god Gerard claimed to be the fastest strongest mightiest of all Quincy

@roywempor8395

Ай бұрын

Gerard wins, Lillie can definitely hit the cross but can he pierce it? Gerard is the hearth of the soul king, and Lillie definitely can't penetrate the soul king

@iliketowatchnfl3515

Ай бұрын

@@roywempor8395why is lille the leader of the elites?

@nouvelle147

Ай бұрын

​@@roywempor8395 No need to add the Soul King to this. Pernida was his hand and it died to a scientific mishap. Obviously the individual parts no longer are on the same level as Soul King himself.

@roywempor8395

Ай бұрын

@@iliketowatchnfl3515 because of his leadership skills

Personally, I think the Miracle's probability/reality manipulation would actually seal the deal in favor of Gerard. I think it's also worth pointing out that as a piece of God/the Soul King, Gerard might have a way to bypass Lille's intangibility.

Love this channel.

he brought the series back with a banger

Was it ever told exactly how Gremmy and Ywach came to know each other and how the latter managerd to not only imprison the former, but keep him there?

@BerryStraw15

Ай бұрын

Of course not 😂 Kubo never gave Gremmy the chance to develop as a character and rushed him into oblivion. Pun not intended. *sigh*

@gammafrost

Ай бұрын

@@BerryStraw15 I really wish kubo expanded a bit more on Gremmy. He could have easily been promoted to the elites if he trained more. His death was disappointing.

@BerryStraw15

Ай бұрын

@@gammafrost Gremmy could never be with the Elites because he would literally kill them and put everyone in danger. There is a reason Yhwach kept him locked up. But yes, Kubo dropped the ball real hard with Gremmy's character.

I really like your take on vs battles. I wouldn’t mind getting these every once in awhile. Maybe revisiting Ichigo vs Aizen once the anime adaptation is over. Or maybe something a little more broad like the Zero division vs the Gotei 13 (Not sure what era) even Byakuya vs Kenpachi I think can be an interesting topic if it’s during the Hueco Mundo arc or soul society arc

Great analysis, as always.

X-Axis, are you kidding me...the one shot potential is crazy...

@ackkenan2346

Ай бұрын

How I see it is that the Quincy Cross is a manifestation of the heart of the soul king as well what else would it be? As such can the X-Axis destroy the heart that belongs to effectively the God of the universe

@Thnkrgames

Ай бұрын

No way he can actually hit Gerard, gerard is way faster than lillie. Thats something not taken into consideration here, their massive gap in physical stats

@jocoolshow

Ай бұрын

@@ThnkrgamesA half dead Kyoraku was able to dodge the x axis and people think he’s hitting Gerard

@sladew9788

Ай бұрын

​@@jocoolshowleave that… lille got a free sneak attack on kyoraku and pierced through his heart. This is when kyoraku thought lille is defeated, deactivates his bankai and has let down his guard and closes his eye to rest. And that was still incapable of killing of a tired "no-guard up" kyoraku. So, even if lille is capable of hitting the cross heart of gerard, the capability to destroy the cross is absolutely baseless and very questionable.

Bankai isn't magical, it's ethereal.

This reminds me of the Superman vs Goku argument. The one who has essentially infinite power vs the one how has the power to grow infinitely

I'd actually be interested seeing you look at Askin vs the other schutzstaffel, could his deathdealing turn Gerald's ability against itself? Lille seems to be somewhat vulnerable to the plague step of Shunsuie's bankai, so he too seems potentially vulnerable to the deathdealing

The only video we always needed

I used to be team Gerard until the info drop about his cross. Without that weakness I think he wins in a battle of attrition. Because of that however I think Lille is able to pack him up pretty easily.

@sparknazo

Ай бұрын

yeah i dont blame people pre kubo reveal for believing gerad since he literally refused to lose lol

@ackkenan2346

Ай бұрын

How I see it is that the Quincy Cross is a manifestation of the heart of the soul king as well what else would it be? As such can the X-Axis destroy the heart that belongs to effectively the God of the universe

@olmodelrio1144

Ай бұрын

Lille being able to pack up Gerard easily? But that would mean is almost impossible for Gerard to win, that he would need a mirac.... oh....

@kelvinallen9327

Ай бұрын

But how many actually know about his cross?? They tried everything & still couldnt killl him. 👍

@moonl8536

Ай бұрын

Kubo said if Kenny could , meaning No one can still beat Gerard

Gremmy could kill Lille and Gerard with ease by opening his space trap in Living World's space. Every Quincy's power comes from absorbing reishi(ch.49 pg.3). Reishi is the source of all Quincy abilities(ch.547 pg.11). Living World is composed of kishi(ch.70 pg.8). That means Gremmy can not only take away all offensive abilities but defensive as well and leave his opponents to the hostile environment of outer space. Not an insta kill but an extremely painful one. That's why all the Sternritters feared him and never bared their fangs at him(ch.575 pg.14 and CFYOW vol.2 ch.15 pg.216).

@envan7865

Ай бұрын

I think that would fail for the same reason it failed against Kenpachi, they're just fast enough to escape. Gerard is physically stronger than Kenpachi, who's strength Gremmy could even fathom and given that Gremmy is just a brain, the X-Axis just shoots there and kills him, no?

@kanoreese1253

Ай бұрын

@@envan7865 Uh...it didn't fail against Zaraki. It severely injured him and he managed to cut his way out. Gerard is not physically stronger than Zaraki and Gremmy imagined the"totality"of his power but couldn't imagine a body to contain that power. All Sternritters get their power from external reishi, if there is no reishi they can't use their schrifts or any defensive arts. Gremmy has also been shown to use intangibility like Lille. So no.

I completely agree with whole analysis. But it was seriously close.

Gerard looks majestic

Gerard would destroy lille A few things wrong, 1) Lille isn't intangible to energy attacks. Hence why shunsuis reiryoku thread cut him. 2) Lilles cutting AP is not greater than bankai Kenpachi and True bankai toshiro hax so he couldn't destroy gerards cross like they couldn't. All the damage gerard takes will just be converted into power, lille does not have this ability, lille only has regeneration when transforming and he only has 2 higher forms. He might be able to destroy the cross with his gun but that assumes he hits him and his cross and that it doesn't get destroyed as the gun is the only time he can uniformly penetrate. Gerard has damage sharing, so if hoffnung is cut by lilles light attack, the same damage will be reflected onto lille and kill him like it did with nanao. The miracle will just make it so he can cut through lilles intangibility also since it manipulates reality. Miracle = Subjective Probability/Reality manipulation > X-axis (Matter intan, Light attacks) it would be a miracle if gerard wins, which means he'd win because gerard would be severly outmatched at the start. Which is exactly why gerard wins 9/10.

@HOLDENPOPE

Ай бұрын

Nanao's attack doesn't share damage, it specifically diffuses holy power. We saw how useful sharing damage was against Lille, all it did was make him power up and start throwing around all-erasing nukes.

@MrDeclareWar

Ай бұрын

@@HOLDENPOPE Wrong, i never said nanaos attack shares damage, i said gerards sword will share the damage taken from lilles attack if damaged. Also nanaos sword doesnt diffuse holy power, ch 653 lille states "it reflects the ability of the god its facing" Sharing damage is not the same for everyone, did you not understand? Damage sharing is relative to the damage taken, so the damage dealt by lille onto the sword will be equally shared on lille. in other words, the god power of lilles attack will share onto him.

Personally, one VS battle (well, set of VS battles) I'd like to see is: Aizen, Gin, Tosen, Starrk, Barragan and Harribel vs Squad Zero. In particular, Aizen vs Ichibe, maybe Gin vs Senjumaru. For that matter, I am also really interested to see the fights that would occur if the Wandenreich had invaded Hueco Mundo while Aizen and the Espada were still at full strength. Some fight ideas, I think, could be: Aaroniero vs BG9, Szayel-Apporo vs Askin Nakk Le Varr, maybe Zommari vs Pepe (though that would be more of a silly match that would need extra participants to be viable, given they both can control people, one through his Resurrection, one through his Schrift). Maybe the female Sternritters could fight against Harribel's Fraccion? With the second scenario of the Wandenreich invading Hueco Mundo at the peak of Aizen's power, I'm also imagining an endless skirmish between the Soldaat and the Exequias.

37:18 I agree with Lille winning, but doesn't the fact Gerald will never have a weapon capable of killing Lille mean that he'll develop a weapon capable of killing Lille if The Miracle can activate?

Here's the issue, I still think Gerard wins. Gerard's cross only forms if Gerard gets destroyed to a degree that the cross needs to even appear. And there's no proof that Lille can destroy the cross considering the fact that the heart of the soul king might only be able to get destroyed by the soul king himself. Also, I think Gerard would be able to touch Lille even if Lille is intangible. People forget, the more impossible it is for Gerard, the more likely he'd be able to do it thanks to the miracle. It'd take a miracle to damage Lille Barro? Well, Gerard makes the impossible possible.

@5SDcards

Ай бұрын

There’s no reason why Lille shouldn’t be able to destroy his cross.

@muchoyurdem5260

Ай бұрын

​@@5SDcardsThere are multiple reasons why he clearly isnt able lmao. Literally the other way around there is no reason why he could other than no limit fallacys and headcanon

@NEONlights-lb8um

Ай бұрын

@@5SDcards there is lol. Zaraki's Shikai can casually cut through space meaning it can ignore durability and ignore the laws of physics binding physical matter together. His Bankai has 5-10 times that power and can't cut the cross. Even after Gerard was frozen by Toshiro who could freeze even concepts and broken to pieces, his cross still wasn't affected. You cannot be certain that Lille Barro can destroy the cross as well. Kubo didn't say he could either. Kubo said "the cross is his weakness, if there's a way to destroy the cross"

@5SDcards

Ай бұрын

@@NEONlights-lb8um Kenpachi can only chip Hoffnung with shikai. Toshiro doesn’t “freeze concepts” he just makes the matter he freezes lose its function which has no effect on Gerard as he can still muscle through his ice. Kubo is only talking about Kenpachi had he been able to destroy the cross not everyone.

@5SDcards

Ай бұрын

@@muchoyurdem5260 Yet you can’t name a single one.

If a Bankai Kenpachi can't damage the cross, doubt Lille could. And Gerard managing to hit Lille would be a miracle, which....he gets to do all the time.

I can't wait for the final fight to start

People throw this one around a lot but this really is a battle of an unstoppable force and an immovable object.

Can you make a video explaining the soul king and his body parts

@gammafrost

Ай бұрын

He did that already a year ago.

Tough one but im going with lilie & here’s why. The miracle may appear to be absolute but there is one exception ywach’s ability to recall his power. IF the miracle was TRULY absolute ywach would not be able reclaim his power “the miracle” from gerrod, This tells me 2 things 1. Ywach’s power over his sternriter and their given Shrifts is absolute. 2. If ywach bestowed lilie with the ability to pierce through anything. & ywach’s power over his shrifts is absolute, then lilie would absolutely peirce gerrods core & kill him. Essentially a miracle won’t occur because Ywach bestowed lilie with the power to kill a miracle or “The”miracle whichever. Just my initial thoughts though.

You make some good points. However. Gerard power being the miracle. His own shrift will grant a way. Through sword damage or some other way. They are both broken in terms of both power and abilities. Its close cause if he hits Gerard's core, Is Lille powerful enough to destroy it? If you say yes, that means Lille's attack is greater than Kenpachi's Bankai. Plus freezing and destroying Gerard entire body didn't finish him. I don't think Lille could do worse to Gerard, that he couldn't come back. I would give the edge to the soul kings heart being greater. it's closer to and maybe great as the Hōgyoku. Cause the soul kings heart grants miracles to Gerard. I can see the Lille argument but just think Gerard has more divinity. I maybe way off. but loved the video good work Tom

My question is how the Miracle might interact with the condition that Gerard would have to land a critical blow on Lille, but not activate his second eye/not give him three fatal blows avoided? Would that make it more likely for the Miracle to kick in? I think it would, even if Lille's own conditions for activating Ziliel would complicate things.

Crazy that u and dbzimran just dropped videos at the same time talking about royal guards at the same time

@felipez3115

Ай бұрын

Mr Tommo is 1000x better, analisys and video quality overall.

@HOLDENPOPE

Ай бұрын

@@felipez3115 I'm sure they respect each other enough to not want this kind of 'my dad can beat up your dad' energy.

@muchoyurdem5260

Ай бұрын

​@@felipez3115Clyde or Jaymes>>

@felipez3115

Ай бұрын

@@HOLDENPOPE And I'm just said who I think is better, problem?

@felipez3115

Ай бұрын

@@muchoyurdem5260 Clyde is a Aizen fanboy, he said that he can beat squad 0, and also using the "why isn't close" title, no thanks.

This is what it would be like for 2 kids playing imaginary fights, who just keep making up skills as they go along to one up each other. That being said, Lille Barro wins..... Probably

@Jaycutler709

Ай бұрын

The more I think about it, the more I feel like Lille wins like 95% of the time. I just dunno how Gerard is gonna affect Lille

@logsgdodo

Ай бұрын

@@Jaycutler709 it would be miracle if he could damage lille . that all what you need to know

UNSTOPPABLE FORCE MEETING AN IMMOVABLE OBJECT‼️

Im putting my bet on the "Heart of the SK". I totally forgot about the reflective Hoffnug Sword, but again I believe in the miracle kicking in when Gerald starts missing his attacks on Lille intangible form. Apart from not having a garanteed confirmation that the X Axis can "reach" SK' heart.

If Gremmy had any interest in physics, he would instantly win every fight. Gremmy: So you say there is 0.1g of anitmatter behind your ear? Opponent: What? Gremmy: What? BOOOOOM ! Gremmy: The gravity at your location is as strong as it is on the surface of a neutron star. Opponent: Proceeds to transform into a 1nm thick layer of plasma. Gremmy: Oopsie. Gremmy: Get hit by a relativistic projectile at 99.9% c Opponent: Gets atomized. Literally.

@HOLDENPOPE

Ай бұрын

Almost everyone in bleach is MFTL and made of something that antimatter wouldn't affect. This is one of the Holy Shonen Trinity, like Naruto and One Piece, IRL physics seldom applies to them.

It would be cool if in the anime they show more about Gerald’s cross. Like if after he is shattered it shows the cross on the ground shaking and starting to draw reishi towards itself in an attempt to rebuild Gerard’s body… and Kenpachi stamps it out, shattering it to dust and scattering any remaining reishi. I know that doesn’t work with the canon material’s timeline, because Gerald actually meets his end by Auschwalen, and Kenpachi brings himself down by using too much of his Bankai power before the end of the fight, but I can dream can’t I?

Aizen in the Hell Arc has dwarfed both since it was confirmed that 'his reiatsu along with sk juga are required to keep hell gate shut'

I think it’s clear that Lille’s eye requires knowledge the attack is lethal; I think that was probably what he was referring to when he said he didn’t get a chance to defend against Oetsu, since that would have killed him barring Aushwalen

Aizen would win

My money is on Lille

Lille “My X-Axis Pierces ALL!” It could pierce Gerard’s Cross Gerard “wouldn’t it be a MIRACLE if you could actually find it”

Have you made a video about the strongest Soul Reapers during the TYBW arc? I think that would be kinda cool if you haven't. I think Shunsui's bankai really puts him at the top. edit: just checked and you did already make a video on this topic! We agree that Shunsui is the strongest.

@muchoyurdem5260

Ай бұрын

I have Tosh over Shunsui although it's hard. Same as Gerard>Lille

If Geralds core can be found and destroyed then Lille wins.

He's there version of Kenpachi.

@Gaminglife-sf1oz

Ай бұрын

Quincy kenpachi

It’s like the biggest war of attrition

Thank you for qualifying this. It's said multiple times in the manga that Lille is the strongest.

The balance is the most powerful, Hands down.

@sakashimayokoshimahapofusagari

Ай бұрын

not. hands up🚨👮‍♂️

@Force-Multiplier

Ай бұрын

Well see in part 3 that's probably the last shot for Hashwalth and Ishida to show their worth unless they go all out on part 4 and we see Hashwalth's Volstandig

@raymondperkins1436

Ай бұрын

I mean the Balance and The Miracle are kinda opposites of each other and counter each other

So, before watching the video: My take is that Lille is initially more powerful than Gerard and has the potential to win outright so long as he is able to recognize and capitalize on Gerard's cross weakness. However, if it becomes a drawn-out fight, Gerard absolutely stomps by essentially Miarcle'ing his way past everything Lille is capable of.

@desantinotafrancesco2639

Ай бұрын

How can the miracle pass liles' durability and intangibility? They literally had to create a God slaying sword that reflects the power of the user back to itself in order to defeat him, and he didn't even die.

@lo4tr

Ай бұрын

@@desantinotafrancesco2639 Because the literal ability of the Miracle makes it possible. Oh, sure, Lille has intangibility that makes it impossible for Gerard to hit him... but, that impossibility is exactly what would trigger the Miracle to allow Gerard to be able to strike Lille.

@desantinotafrancesco2639

Ай бұрын

@@lo4tr that only happens in the unlikely case that lille doesn't just put a hole through that chain in his heart, I doubt Gerard would last long against the kind of attacks that lille can dish out, but it's debatable of course.

@desantinotafrancesco2639

Ай бұрын

@@lo4tr can't lille erase anything between two points no matter what ?

@Dolovex

Ай бұрын

Lille should be able to shoot through Gerard, Gerard has no feats to say otherwise.

This is a never ending debate, both are good fighters.

Lille’s X-axis goes through Gerard, destroying that cross of light within him that brings him back to life that Kubo revealed after the manga was over.

Considering that Lillie's X-Axis can hit whenever he wants it to without anything able to stop it save for a broken ability, Gerard would die once the cross is destroyed and Lillie can do that without any problem. Plus Lillie is already my favourite while Gurard is just a big meat shield like Yammy before him.

@ackkenan2346

Ай бұрын

How I see it is that the Quincy Cross is a manifestation of the heart of the soul king as well what else would it be? As such can the X-Axis destroy the heart that belongs to effectively the God of the universe

@jonahbrown5669

Ай бұрын

"Lille is the best because he's my favorite!"

I feel like lille would win just due to Gerard needing to kinda "rank up" his power in increments. Also knowing more about him, Lille could just snipe Gerard's quincy cross core as soon as it showed up and be done with it.

@Mortarion-xt9wp

Ай бұрын

I think it doesn't even need to "show up" . Lille just sniping the place where the cross should suffice.

I think both X-Axis and Miracle are both Nr. 1 , so for me it just comes down to preference. Lille has better design, better weapon choice. So yeah, while both are 100/100, I prefer Lille. Miracle is awesome indeed, but what Kubo did with X-Axis is just too epic.

My take on this topic is, if we're looking at Overall Stats, Gerard is probably stronger than Lille Barro, cause he takes on some of the strongest captains in the series all at once, and while it's arguable how strong they are individually, as a group that should be a bigger challenge than facing Kyoraku and Nanao. But if we're looking at this as a Vs Matchup, I feel Lille has more win cons than Gerard does, cause unless the Miracle gives him the ability to do damage to Lille, who can literally become untouchable. Lille has a far better range advantage, and since Kubo revealed that the way to defeat Gerard is by destroying his core, if Lille finds it, he might just oneshot it, at least in his Powered up Cherub Form.

I'd say Lillie simply because we saw more of his skillset. With Gerald the only things we saw were his giant ability and hoffnung which wouldn't work on lillie anyway since he's made intangible by his schrit

Both gremmy victims

@raymondperkins1436

Ай бұрын

please gremmy was getting walked by Zaraki and was using his imagination to it's fullest to try to beat him while Gerard was pressureing and beat this same Zaraki

@FM-no4xn

Ай бұрын

Both negs Gremmy

Please give us more versus battles 👍

@gammafrost

Ай бұрын

I hope he does one between Mayuri and Askin or even between Urahara and Pernida.

I’ve actually never understood what’s the difference between flashstep and a teleportation. Been a fan since 2010 lol.

They both negs Jugram 😂🤝🤝

@achmedschachbrett772

Ай бұрын

They aint standing a chance against jugo ☠️ The Balance absolutely annihilates them both

@aleex_maggot

Ай бұрын

@@achmedschachbrett772 no.

@andrei-cezarbleaje5519

Ай бұрын

no lol . jugram will negg them he is superior in both stats and hax .

@achmedschachbrett772

Ай бұрын

@@andrei-cezarbleaje5519 bruv Are you restarted??? Im saying that jugram Beats Both of them, cant you read

@limb-o7180

Ай бұрын

@@achmedschachbrett772 I think he's responding to the same comment you were responding to, he's not replying to you lol

Lille Barro wins no diff with X Axis hax

"He's rushing me. If only I could retreat straight backwards and use a linear, infinite ranged weapon that goes through defenses. 🙄 It's almost like Quincy are ranged fighters and I'm the ultimate example of that."

Let s also remember, ychwalt gave them the power of all sternritters who were alive* I think this fidht would be a draw... with half the planet destroyed

Gremmy that's not an idiot> shutstaffel

@Jacaerys1

Ай бұрын

Can’t argue with that. I agree.

@0eyes

Ай бұрын

He would get one shot by Lille to the head killing him right there.

@xenoemblem7

Ай бұрын

​@@0eyesYou think that would stop Gremmy?

@0eyes

Ай бұрын

@@xenoemblem7 Yes, he’s literally just a brain.

@duckmcduckins8475

Ай бұрын

@@xenoemblem7yes bro gremmy is a brain 😂

If Kubo says Bankai Kenpachi can't cut Gerard's heart, then Lille can't break it with a Sniper rifle. I rank Bankai Kenpachi above Lille's Sniper rounds in destructive power.

@uriel7940

Ай бұрын

penetrate anything between his weapon and his target, ignoring obstacles and durability Basically it isn’t a tangible bullet, he is simply ERASING whatever area he targets. The Cross is a tangible object that HOLDS The Miracle’s ability. Bankai Kenpachi can’t cut it because it is virtually unbreakable by conventional physical means. But here’s the key to all this and why Lille CAN break the Cross. The X-Axis simply completely ignores defense which means if Lille has the Cross in his sight, it is effectively deleted from existence. No questions asked. Until Kubo says that isn’t possible and that the Miracle has a defense for this, Lille wins easily.

@karaso0

Ай бұрын

So Lillie can't win because you like Kenpanchi and scale him >>>😂. Lillie's power doesn't rely on Attack Power like Kenpanchis so you're analysis is moot.

@chrisbarnesbarnes8332

Ай бұрын

If the cross has durability then Lille can destroy as his power straight up negates durability.

@muchoyurdem5260

Ай бұрын

One of the few that uses logic 👏

@karaso0

Ай бұрын

@@muchoyurdem5260 Please elaborate on the "logic"?🧐

question about the miracle: if the power boosts it gives Gerard are based on how much the odds are stacked against him does that mean a viable (albeit risky) strategy to defeat him is to have someone who's almost a completely even match for him fight him and hope they can edge out the win?

You point out that it's unlikely for Lille to end up hitting Gerald's sword, but then if it's something that could turn the tide in battle, the less likely it is to happen the more the miracle will kick in to make it happen

I was talking to someone on reddit about Lille and they mentioned that in a way Haschwalth would've been better off having Lille's final form. I sort of agree and disagree but i really do see the premise behind that

Can you do a video of barragan if have or haven't of how powerful and broken he is and how he grew coz of bordism and lacking a challenge , and that why Aizen was able to defeat and also how he should've have knowledge of all types Hollows and arrancars and that skar on his face is not from quincy but either a powerful shinigama are 1 of the soul kings body part that baragan destroyed while using his existence erasure , where by that arrancar is almost or was power as prime yhwac and yamamoto

Gerard is literally the soul king's heart, not to mention his sword could reflect damage with equal or greater force. He could easily destroy Lillie Halo, making him no longer intangible. Also, it took juha himself to stop him while Lillie couldn't stop nanao shunsui and Kira of all people.

Unstoppable Force vs Immovable Object

I hope that if the Hell Arc occurs, the new characters will have similarly broken powers!

Being made of intangible light or golem with god’s heart with seeming limitless growth potential over the course of a fight. This should be very interesting. I'll probably give it to Gerald simply due to the miracle seemingly having no capped sealing in overcoming an enemy’s ability (Toshiro’s bankai as an example).

@thefanwithoutaface8105

Ай бұрын

Huh, now that you phrase it like that Gerard is kind of like the Golems from Judaism while Lillie is more akin to a Christian Angel. Neat.

@andrei-cezarbleaje5519

Ай бұрын

Lille will win , he is their leader for a reason

@muchoyurdem5260

Ай бұрын

​@@andrei-cezarbleaje5519How does being a leader mean an automatic win? So Eos Shunsui beats Eos Zaraki just because Shunsui is the leader of the Gotei?

Applying fighting game splits of match ups- L7/G3 Ranged V Grappler(hybrid) always a pain😅

I'm going to complain here. Why are we still talking about Gremmy? His power was not able to compete with shikai kenpachi with an eye patch. His power is directly tied to reiatsu like all the other powers; doesn't have the reiatsu then can't use the power/if the reiatsu is shaken or broken like for Lillie Sbarro then powers are affected. He didn't have the reiatsu to be able to imagine a body that could house kenpachi's power while imagining his power. That is the limit for his reiatsu and schrift; kenpachi's body and power something that Gerard surpasses in spades by the time he starts fighting him, a power that the Pernida also surpasses and going by the power up the royal guard gets they should all be far above. The imagination isn't the limit it's the reiatsu like it is with everything else in the series.