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Lighting for Macro Photography and Review of the Venus KX-800 Twin Flash

A quick and dirty review of the wild new KX-800 Macro Twin Flash solid by Venus Optics. For more technical info and to purchase - head over to www.VenusLens.net
Feel free to ask questions in the comments below or just make fun of how many times I said "diffusing medium"...

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  • @deovision
    @deovision8 жыл бұрын

    Camera is slowly evolving into a bug itself :)

  • @mooriginal
    @mooriginal9 жыл бұрын

    Holy moly - great review - and actually one of the best youtube reviews Ive ever seen... Simple and on the point !

  • @pressdesign
    @pressdesign8 жыл бұрын

    That feeling, when the flash looks like an insect more than the insect itself. :D

  • @st.michaelthearchangel7774

    @st.michaelthearchangel7774

    4 жыл бұрын

    Haha! xD

  • @snowwalker9999
    @snowwalker99995 жыл бұрын

    We need more videos, please. This is an amazing channel by a great photographer and instructor.

  • @DMPhee
    @DMPhee7 жыл бұрын

    I purchased this Laowa twin flash unit based in your very good review, and am very happy with the unit; no problems after six months use. Very flexible for macro or closeup. I ended up using inexpensive small cloth-based diffusers, by Newer, held on by elastics on the diffusers, (or my own elastics). The weak spot would be the battery compartment cover; although I've had no problems, you'll need to treat it with kid gloves. It has good power; especially impressed with its power outside. As you pointed out, you will get noticed, etc; whether you want it or not, people will start conversations with you about it. Thanks, Thomas, for your reviews - I've bought this unit, the Laowa 15mm, and the Laowa 60mm because of them.

  • 9 жыл бұрын

    Hello Thomas, this report is a very important one, which will help people to do better macro photography! Thank you very much! Rüdiger

  • @sinetwo
    @sinetwo8 жыл бұрын

    Your videos are brilliant and you're really good at explaining things well. Keep it up, you're a gift to aspiring macro photographers!

  • @mebearcreations
    @mebearcreations6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for this review, including examples of what it looks like when you use this lighting system. It was very helpful!

  • @romanchukanov4454
    @romanchukanov44546 жыл бұрын

    Really love your reviews and tutorials. Please make more.

  • @voltron979
    @voltron9797 жыл бұрын

    You do know your stuff Thomas..! 2 thumbs up man ! Keep this awesome informative videos coming !

  • @Clebrush2
    @Clebrush28 жыл бұрын

    I am becoming such a big fan of your macro photo/videos. You rock 🤗😜

  • @drachemius
    @drachemius8 жыл бұрын

    You have inspired me to return to macro photography. Thank you! :)

  • @rickymcc9072
    @rickymcc90724 жыл бұрын

    At a current price of circa £280 in UK this is extraordinary expensive for what it is. I might have expected a price point nearer £100. There a multitude of small cheap flash units available ex China (Godox, Yongnuo, Neweer etc) that could do the job as well, or better, with a simple bracket/arms either DIY or from likes of Small Rig. Alternatively simply use a couple of small mini clamps (or table tripods) and a couple of diffused flashguns with any old flashguns you have to hand. Experimentation and perhaps a little lateral thinking, with a modicum of DIY effort, possibly also considering LED video lights will throw up a range of lower cost possibilities. Another advantage about experementing is you will learn a lot more about how to use light effectively.

  • @runemauland9821
    @runemauland98219 жыл бұрын

    Love your videos :) On a fun note, I would say the flash serves as a camo as well. It reminds me of a insect head.

  • @ScreaminMadMurphy
    @ScreaminMadMurphy9 жыл бұрын

    im not much for photography, i just watched cos i miss you buddy. Can we expect more spider videos? the combination of your music and the arthropods is just so nice.

  • @bashbob
    @bashbob9 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the great review, I think I'm definitely going to buy one of these, they seem pretty good value. Do you have any plans to review venus' 15mm macro as well?

  • @bogdandurlea434
    @bogdandurlea4349 жыл бұрын

    I am so glad to see that you are using Pentax! I also have the K30 but mi photos are far far away to be as good as yours. Nice job!

  • @TimSmithartist
    @TimSmithartist9 жыл бұрын

    Another great video Buddy, it looks just the job though a little out of my price range.

  • @JordanHauserGbg
    @JordanHauserGbg7 жыл бұрын

    Really nice work!

  • @mooncoinphoto
    @mooncoinphoto7 жыл бұрын

    Thomas you are fantastic!

  • @CaptnJackHammer
    @CaptnJackHammer8 жыл бұрын

    Thomas, another great tutorial. How did you find using the unit while travelling and with stowage.

  • @mattiafalaschi8341
    @mattiafalaschi83418 жыл бұрын

    Hi Thomas! Thank you for your review. I really love your photos! :D I started shooting high magnification macros thanks to you! I have some question for you about this flash: - Is the central light (focusing light) "always on" or is possible to make it turn on only when you press the camera focusing button? - Is possible to shoot short blast (8-10 shots) at 1/4 power? - Do you recommend it for high magnification macro?

  • @ashley0leung
    @ashley0leung9 жыл бұрын

    Hi Thomas, Thanks for your great insights into macro photography! I am looking to get a macro set up for photography and video, do you think the center light would be adequate enough to light the subject for some nice video shots? The flash heads on either side don't by any chance also have a constant 'on' function do they? I doubt it as it is a flash but would be good to know regardless : ) Thanks for sharing your work dude!

  • @SalwanJBinni
    @SalwanJBinni8 жыл бұрын

    wow... that's really interesting... thanks for sharing

  • @anniecrooney9640
    @anniecrooney96405 жыл бұрын

    I just ordered one of these! Please tell me if there are color filters of some kind to use with it? Thank you.I really enjoy all of your vids!

  • @Plusculus
    @Plusculus4 жыл бұрын

    Great video as always. Because of this video i bought one of these flashes. and i love it. BUT: My batteries are dying (tested three times) if i let them in the flash over night. LAOWA itself has not answered my question (nearly one year old) on how we can proceed with this issue.

  • @karlatshahan1023
    @karlatshahan10235 жыл бұрын

    I simply enjoy your guitar music!

  • @melvinch
    @melvinch7 жыл бұрын

    Very informative review ! 👍 Does it have TTL flash metering ?

  • @mikedunn8737
    @mikedunn87379 жыл бұрын

    Beautiful work. Diffusion is my bugaboo with Canon Twin Lites. How have you attached that sheet to your lens?

  • @midou9
    @midou94 жыл бұрын

    great review. Is the recycle time fast enough to do hand held stack ? Thank you very much for your chanel and numerous advices.

  • @starwarsfanforlife
    @starwarsfanforlife3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks I will definitely look to get this flash! So where did you get the handy plastic loops you used on the binder sleeve?

  • @EmoEmu
    @EmoEmu9 жыл бұрын

    That looks like a really handy product.

  • @colingentile
    @colingentile3 жыл бұрын

    Fabulous, Thomas !! Have you tried it with the Laowa 15mm F4 macro lens ?

  • @juanfpena212
    @juanfpena2125 жыл бұрын

    Hi Thomas thank you for the video,but I would asking you if this twin flash is compatible with canon eos 77d,thank you again

  • @r4yker442
    @r4yker4425 жыл бұрын

    Which lenses are U using? and which camera?

  • @jameschan3479
    @jameschan34793 жыл бұрын

    may I know if the bending of the arms of the twin flash would damage the hotshoe of the camera in long run? I am not sure if the resistance of the arms of the twin flash would be too large or just fine to hold the light heads without introducing too much pressure to the hotshoe

  • @jvbumactao7565
    @jvbumactao75658 жыл бұрын

    will it work on Sony A99 shoe? thank you.

  • @rtpearl
    @rtpearl8 жыл бұрын

    ok so I use the nikon d3000 and I am saving for the Venus 60mm 2:1 macro lens. The problem is I have no idea what to look for in flashes whether a ring flash or one that sits ontop of the camera. Can anyone help me?

  • @Alphfirm
    @Alphfirm9 жыл бұрын

    Great to see another video from you :-) Very informative and useful, thanks! Btw, still using a reversed lens, or are you using a "real" macro lens now?

  • @terser

    @terser

    9 жыл бұрын

    Alphfirm Thanks! I still use reversed lenses from time to time (mostly in the lab where sharpness counts) but have been happy with a Vivitar 55mm macro and the Venus 60mm 2:1 I've got on the camera in this video.

  • @Vincou13
    @Vincou137 жыл бұрын

    what is the interest of having 2 flashes and use a big sheet of paper to defuse the light? Only one flash would have done the same ?

  • @aSadFcuk
    @aSadFcuk9 жыл бұрын

    I love your work!, ive been following you on youtube and flickr for years man! i still havent been able to replicate your results, i can never seem to get enough light in the scene so my depth of field is too narrow due to the wide aperture, maybe i should invest in a good flash.

  • @terser

    @terser

    9 жыл бұрын

    LivingPixel Thanks! A good flash is *really* helpful for macro! Just find a way to diffuse it and get the diffuser close to the subject and you should be good to go.

  • @shirleyjal
    @shirleyjal5 жыл бұрын

    Exellent!! Thank you!

  • @mwilly974
    @mwilly9744 жыл бұрын

    these photos were taken with which lens please?

  • @margreetz8242
    @margreetz82428 жыл бұрын

    I am wondering something about this flash, while thinking about buying it. Does it do high speed sync used on a pentax? I can't seem to find really specific info on this aside from the specification on the venus website stating it's flash time is 1/200 ~ 1/20000s dealers in Holland seem to have it confused, the one states it does, the other it doesn't.... I would be very happy if some one with a pentax and this flash experience could help me with this piece of info!

  • @scott_clark
    @scott_clark9 жыл бұрын

    This may be a dumb question, but how do you calculate exposure with this flash? It doesn't seem like the level indicators give you any guidance.

  • @terser

    @terser

    9 жыл бұрын

    Scott Clark Nope - not a dumb question! You just have to guess based on your aperture, magnification and iso. The flash is *totally* manual.

  • @anniecrooney9640
    @anniecrooney96405 жыл бұрын

    btw: I will be using it with my Pentax k70 and my Pentax 100mm f/2.8 macro. Cannot WAIT!!!

  • @angelworld552
    @angelworld5525 жыл бұрын

    Which lens did you use for these pictures ?

  • @SirShrimpey
    @SirShrimpey9 жыл бұрын

    Great video! I've got one question about the arms of this system, are they easy to position to a desired place or are they rather tough and the joints do not allow to manouver too much? I am currently using nikon R1C1 on some cheap arms and the joints are really, really hard to position.

  • @terser

    @terser

    9 жыл бұрын

    hotsausage1997 The joints are definitely stiff - but you wouldn't want them any other way as they would sag. It definitely takes a little fiddling around to place them where you want - but unlike other systems/brackets - you really can place them just about anywhere (see: 0:47)

  • @rauldap-patreoncomrauldap7128
    @rauldap-patreoncomrauldap71284 жыл бұрын

    Wich lens did you use for the bugs?

  • @chriss2295
    @chriss22955 жыл бұрын

    2:56 shows that the 2 separate lights become 1 big soft box. The 2 separate lights become 1. It does work, but I would not want to buy a dedicated Macro speedlight flash. I have a design that allows for any speedlight to extend forward and get the same result.

  • @hupuacoustic2406

    @hupuacoustic2406

    5 жыл бұрын

    Can you show me your design, thank you 😁

  • @addictionsininktattoosandp4158
    @addictionsininktattoosandp41585 жыл бұрын

    What type of lens you using here ?

  • @undercoverlegacy4724
    @undercoverlegacy47247 жыл бұрын

    is it really with the 230$ price tag though?

  • @jameswiggle
    @jameswiggle4 жыл бұрын

    what diffuser did you use?

  • @MadadiAdel99
    @MadadiAdel996 жыл бұрын

    What lens plz

  • @hampuseriksson7356
    @hampuseriksson73567 жыл бұрын

    I'm using a macro lens on a fx camera but I feel I'm not getting close enough. Do you use anything on top of the lens to get even closer?

  • @Glashutte1111

    @Glashutte1111

    7 жыл бұрын

    Crop the image or use extension tubes.

  • @below90hz
    @below90hz3 жыл бұрын

    So 5.5 years later - Do you still use this flash? Is it still working properly?

  • @m0g0g028
    @m0g0g0289 жыл бұрын

    Very cool idea! Which lens are you using?

  • @terser

    @terser

    9 жыл бұрын

    Me and my E-Maxx In this video I'm using the Venus 60mm 2:1 macro. A fantastically sharp lens but difficult to use in the field due to a lack of control of the aperture (have to shoot through it "stopped down"). I use the Venus 60mm and my old reversed lens setups for higher magnification work - but for just having fun in the field (with a better "keeper" rate) I use a Vivitar 55mm macro.

  • @bloffwaffel

    @bloffwaffel

    8 жыл бұрын

    hey Thomas when you use your old extension tubes with the 50mm or 28mm did your extension tubes have baffles in them?

  • @Sean_Coyne

    @Sean_Coyne

    7 жыл бұрын

    Nice to read of someone else using a 55mm macro lens and getting a good keeper rate. I've just picked up an old legendary 55mm f2.8 micro Nikkor for my D7200. Awesome lens and very affordable. Just using a home made split diffuser (aluminium foil lined cardboard channels and white foam diffuser screen at the ends) on the pop up flash. Fiddly to design and make, yet successfully gives me a nice balanced soft light from two sides. But I may well go for the twin Venus system shown here when finances allow, as it seems much the preferable solution.

  • @jesuisravi
    @jesuisravi6 жыл бұрын

    price?

  • @RoseRocks
    @RoseRocks7 жыл бұрын

    Hi Thomas, I just bought a KR-888 and can't find any manual or instructions for it... the ones that came in the box are in Mandarin and I can't understand a thing. Do you happen to know where I can find info?

  • @ccchase420

    @ccchase420

    7 жыл бұрын

    this video is the best manual you're going to get. mine didn't even come with one haha

  • @Stick3x
    @Stick3x8 жыл бұрын

    This guy is awesome.

  • @yaacovsarshalom6066
    @yaacovsarshalom60663 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much!

  • @turdferguson63
    @turdferguson637 жыл бұрын

    How is the Venus holding up 18 months later?

  • @Maximinecraft143

    @Maximinecraft143

    5 жыл бұрын

    pretty well , they are going to sell a 100mm macro 2:1

  • @Thomas-fk6ep
    @Thomas-fk6ep6 жыл бұрын

    This light looks great, but it might be more than what I'm willing to spending. Do you recommend ring lights for macro work?

  • @DalsPhotography
    @DalsPhotography8 жыл бұрын

    Ok, I was thinking, when I photograph butterflies, and dragonflies, they will feel that a giant spider is coming for them!!! ... what's your experience Thomas? Best regards from Uruguay.

  • @anniecrooney9640
    @anniecrooney96405 жыл бұрын

    Oops!!I had not seen this vid before I asked the question about this very thing!!

  • @milart67
    @milart678 жыл бұрын

    muy bueno!!

  • @apenza4304
    @apenza43045 жыл бұрын

    One of the flashes stopped working after I used it five or six times. There was no product support or repair center to get it fixed. Don’t waste your money.

  • @brodqga
    @brodqga9 жыл бұрын

    So what is the point to have 3 lights and use them as one? Just use one, as you did before

  • @terser

    @terser

    9 жыл бұрын

    Victor Personal preference mostly (and that third center light is just a focusing lamp - doesn't factor into the exposure!). I don't like people looking at my photos and seeing exactly how I lit them - I prefer just one big soft catch-light. And having two flash heads angled through that sheet actually introduces more light than you would expect - see 4:16

  • @brodqga

    @brodqga

    9 жыл бұрын

    Thomas Shahan Yes, sorry 2 lights,.. but behind the sheet aren't they act as 1 flat, bigger soft light (10"onflash soft box DIY which we have seen)? So no lights from different angle, just 1 softer light. ...Can you please compare this light with the flash softbox?. Thank you for your videos Thomas and the inspiration of your macroshots!

  • @mohamedbejaoui5430

    @mohamedbejaoui5430

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Victor wnufkdj

  • @AkshaySinghJamwal
    @AkshaySinghJamwal9 жыл бұрын

    Great review, love your channel! As an amateur entomologist photographing pollinators: ( akshayjamwal.com/pollinators ), I was wondering what bee you've captured, and whether it's a solitary or social species.

  • @cellardoor7500

    @cellardoor7500

    6 жыл бұрын

    Akshay Singh Jamwal great photos.

  • @cellardoor7500

    @cellardoor7500

    6 жыл бұрын

    hoehlentroll69 India is beautiful. 27% of it is covered in forests. That’s Almost 700,000 square kilometres. 160,000 of that is protected national parks.

  • @AkshaySinghJamwal

    @AkshaySinghJamwal

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@cellardoor7500 Only just saw this and I know this is quite a late response, but thanks! :)

  • @Nemortal
    @Nemortal9 жыл бұрын

    What kind of glasses are you wearing?

  • @TheSnaileater
    @TheSnaileater8 жыл бұрын

    I always find focusing so hard in macrophotography ... and i see u hand holding these blue berries + hand holding your camera + checking focus on the screen ... !!!! How the hell do you get that crisp picture at the end ? Where is the magic ?

  • @johanvilhelm8032
    @johanvilhelm80328 жыл бұрын

    I'm a bit worried about how my kit compares to the reviewers. I got the 15mm Laowa T/S wide macro, and now this flash. I do LOVE what images these can give me. But I can see from a mile away that my lens, and my flash is made very different from the reviewers. It's very plasticy, different buttons. Not that well put together. The 15mm lens is a bit klonky, the tilt shift button works barely, the moving parts doesn't feel well put together. The hood were made of such a soft plastic, it didn't fit after two/three uses (first day/broken). I will have a great time with this kit, and the "keeper" list of pictures that I love is steadily growing. I just get a slight feeling that the reviewers get a bit better products than some others? As I said. I love what my Venus Optics products do in performance. I just don't see them lasting very long. Compared to my other gear, canon L/non L, Samyang, even the Kenko kit, both my lens and the flash stays in the very bottom concerning the build quality. Far from the praisal that I hear in reviews. My flash controls were way different than yours, and some functions aren't even there.

  • @scottmurphy650
    @scottmurphy6504 жыл бұрын

    I got mine in the mail yesterday and am really impressed at how flexible it is. I photographed a tiny Orchard Orb Weaver spider yesterday with the D850 and my 105mm f/2.8 AIS Micro Nikkor and PN-11 extension tube and was very pleased with the result. Mine has an LCD screen rather than the LED's. I set the base exposure given the ambient light and stopped down a half stop and then adjusted each flash to 1/16 power. I am going to either make small diffusion filters for each flash or one large one to fit over the lens to soften the light somewhat. 500px.com/photo/1018490277/Orchard-Orb-Weaver-Spider-by-Scott-Murphy/

  • @MrGoreff
    @MrGoreff5 жыл бұрын

    Useful but funny equipment. I will look like an insect...

  • @charlesdavidson4815
    @charlesdavidson48156 жыл бұрын

    Very bug-like in its form factor

  • @ScottMurray
    @ScottMurray9 жыл бұрын

    Hi ***** I am using the same flash system for my macros but instead of the tracing paper I use light weight medium for RC planes I think it works great. I also have it flat on the end of my lens attached with a ring adaptor so it is easy to transfer from lens to lens. Here is an example of the light output on a very bright beetle - www.flickr.com/photos/53353225@N07/19313195674

  • @terser

    @terser

    9 жыл бұрын

    Scott Murray Interesting! I'm open to ideas with this thing - lots of room for experimenting! Nice shot! Not a beetle though - a scutellerid (Jewel Bug)!

  • @ScottMurray

    @ScottMurray

    9 жыл бұрын

    Thomas Shahan this is my current set up - www.flickr.com/photos/scotthmurray/19310509624/in/datetaken/ www.flickr.com/photos/scotthmurray/19925553542/in/datetaken/ hope it helps and is made out of 6mm RC foam which I sourced from ebay. Thank you for the ID aswell.

  • @andreaskrappweis

    @andreaskrappweis

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Scott Murray Hi, what is "light weight medium for RC planes"? Sorry I'm German :)

  • @ScottMurray

    @ScottMurray

    8 жыл бұрын

    Andreas Krappweis it is a foam board that is used to construct Remote control aeroplanes.

  • @andreaskrappweis

    @andreaskrappweis

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Scott Murray thank you!

  • @garyshepard7881
    @garyshepard78816 жыл бұрын

    It’s a shame it isn’t TTL. If your subject will sit still long enough for you to adjust flash output and ratios fine, but most likely bugs in Summer are too stimulated by the warms temps to sit for long.

  • @azdigbee
    @azdigbee5 жыл бұрын

    It is still not an affordable option for most of us.

  • @longlee1100
    @longlee11005 жыл бұрын

    If an item has its durability measured in "2 months of rough use" and still going strong.....its durability need to be questioned.....

  • @Savage1776_
    @Savage1776_4 жыл бұрын

    It makes our cameras look like an anthropod

  • @jameswiggle
    @jameswiggle Жыл бұрын

    this is a great twin flash...until it snaps out of nowhere.

  • @Ozone280
    @Ozone2802 жыл бұрын

    £280 UK price means it's not worth the expense for your average amateur

  • @algwallt869

    @algwallt869

    2 жыл бұрын

    My thoughts exactly. Will stick to my Viltrox ring flash I think.

  • @jimkok1957
    @jimkok19574 жыл бұрын

    Will this work as a slave?

  • @eupraxis1
    @eupraxis17 жыл бұрын

    Music is too distracting. Otherwise, really interesting.

  • @snow57104
    @snow571046 жыл бұрын

    I don't trust reviews that sponsored by the product manufacturer!

  • @jameswiggle

    @jameswiggle

    4 жыл бұрын

    and the amazon only has 7 ratings

  • @avawhetton1713
    @avawhetton17135 жыл бұрын

    Why do you have bugs with pins stuck through them - that's so far against nature.

  • @apenza4304
    @apenza43043 жыл бұрын

    Piece of junk when one of the flash heads stopped working and good luck with customer support.

  • @bluebird1422
    @bluebird14224 жыл бұрын

    price of this thing is ridiculus

  • @pvw2
    @pvw27 жыл бұрын

    looks like junk.