No mention of Dholavira in epics ? There are plenty of mentions of Dwaraka, Anarata which is around the same region in the epics.

One of the best channels in KZread. Beautifully produced and researched

Very interesting, I am so obsessed with the ancient Indian civilization.

RgVeda does not have a script. It was oral. The script came much later. Also, RigVeda is not a text interested in describing cities. It is one describing rituals and spirituality. However, the later of books of the Rigveda does suggest west ward movement of which formed the Avesta.

@HarappanEnigma2024

2 жыл бұрын

Rigvedic verse of ADI PURUSH ( see Purush Shukrum) has been found in 8 Harappan seals by HARAPPAN code DGHC 2021 ( published in academia . edu ). Same discussed with Dr Shinde and Dr Puneet Gupta in a forum.

More information will be coming, if they go on investigating. Thanks for the interview.

So interesting. Good work. Keep it up.

Important and enlightening information

History -stories Archeology -facts

Great work LHI!

He is a temple of knowledge. Great.

great work..

I love your Videos Soooooooo much. Thanks,🙏

Knowledgeable interviewer.

Professor Shinde appears not as convincing when he talks about Vedic Period-Harappa connect as he is when talking about the Harappan Civilisation in general. This question is significant because of the larger cultural debate/narrative, much policised in India. The Anchor very rightly refers to this issue as raising many questions towards the end of conversation.

@adityasingh5911

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I agree

@gangadharhiremath7306

3 жыл бұрын

You are spot on.This professor is dishonest.

Sir we should have the conclusion of Dr wakankar

Good video .

Until and unless harappan script is deciphered nothing more can be known😄😄

even Jharkhand region is contemporaneous with Harappan civilization.

सानदार

The main sewer, 1.5 meters deep and 91 cm across, connected to many north-south and east-west sewers. It was made from bricks smoothened and joined together seamlessly. The expert masonry kept the sewer watertight. Drops at regular intervals acted like an automatic cleaning device. A wooden screen at the end of the drains held back solid wastes. Liquids entered a cess poll made of radial bricks. Tunnels carried the waste liquids to the main channel connecting the dockyard with the river estuary. Commoner houses had baths and drains that emptied into underground soakage jars. It was world’s first known urban sewage system. Even they had a flush toilets. And they had a first man made huge swimming pool. When British arrived in India, Indians had absolutely no clue what toilet is. Even to this date, many Indians still don’t use toilets. This gives you a tantalizing hint about how Indus valley civilization was destroyed with an absolute impunity. That is the main reason why Indus Scripts still remain as Alien scripts for us.

Rigvedic-100 times Saraswati mentioned. Many city mentioned on the banks of Saraswati. Dholavira. Kalibangan,Rakhigari-Altars of Fire worship. Fire worship in Rigveda.

@user-zu4ht7eh6c

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That is why it is very to find.

Very interesting. Keep up the the good work lhi!

Dholavira-Water harvesting and water management,Region which was dry.Water problem there.Planning was great.Between two small rivers. Excavated underground water tank. Flowing water inside the settlement. Pashupati early form of Shiva. Padari-Jar(Human figurine)Horned figurine. Kalibangan. How they decline? Climatic sequence-2000BC Climate dry suddenly,data confirming from other regions. Climate change hit all bronze age civilization. Saraswati river goes dry. Sea level gone dry considerably. Ports on makran and Saurashtra became inland site.Impact on Trade. They lost Agriculture base. Indus plain and Saraswati plain,people moved away from the area.Got diffused into local culture.

Hope Harappan writings get deciphered soon

Excellent video. Your presentation is highly viewer friendly. Prof Vasant Shinde has mentioned that Lingas have been found in IVC. Like in Kalibanga. This one was found by Dr BB Lal. Some people have raised doubts about it. They say this Linga is not mentioned in diary of excavation. Any idea what is the truth. If it possible kindly make a video on Shiva or Pashupati or Linga in IVC.

Thank you sir for such information

Very well answered but how can we say that there is no mention of these cities bcz we only have some things. Most of them has been distroyed

Sir you should comment on study done by Dr Wakkankar of Sagar University

Is fire version connected to Zorastians

Amazing Clarity on Content !! Great interviewee

Dr Shinde thank you so much for your insight into this wonderful civilization. Have to read your book.

Similar to Keeeladi-Tamil Nadu

Prof.Vasant Shinde, thank you very much for enlightening us & sharing with us the Past History of HinduStan.,🙏

Good interview. A few comments. Vedas were never written. They were transmitted orally until about 150 AD. Scripts came much later. So connecting "Harappa script" with Veda is pointless. Second, the Vedas never were a history of people. They were translated like a history by Europeans. One needs to read Indian Veda scholars like Aurobindo and Kashyap (or learn the Vedas) to understand this. Googling and reading Griffith's Veda online will give you a fake story. Lastly if anyone looks into the Vedas - their only legacy is the Vedanta which is Indian/Hindu cosmogony. There is no dictation from the 4 Vedas of architecture or gods to be worshipped. Most names like Indra. Agni, Saraswati, Vayu etc have metaphorical meanings, not literal. And as Dr. Shinde rightly said there were civilized people all around, perhaps more "primitive" but nevertheless - speaking, singing dancing etc all across Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh, Bihar, UP and the South and East. We never ask about them while we obsess with a fake migration story.

@subbulaxmimuthuraj6677

5 жыл бұрын

DRAVIDIAN /TAMIL CIVILIZATION

I also believe that epics predates indus civilisation but mahabharat has been dated at 3102bc and its proven harappan civilisation was growing and continuing that time also. Now hows that possible that both pastural and urban settlements happening togeather?

@aamirhasan8448

6 жыл бұрын

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@aamirhasan8448

6 жыл бұрын

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@nileshoak4749

6 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/hJmYuJZxf6ardso.html

@pgramanan4461

4 жыл бұрын

...because Mahabarata is a fictional adaptation of " battle of ten kings " from Rg veda. Earliest dating of Mahabarata epic is not earlier than 1000 BCE. If Mahabarata is history, where are the bones of dead horses ?

@vonderingvakeelvlogsrito

4 жыл бұрын

@@pgramanan4461 I repeat end of satya yug, death of krishna 3102bc. Where r all the fossils of all the dinosaurs in North America? Would love to continue this discussion. Hint: go for the astronomy in Mahabharata. PS. it's neither fictional nor the battle of 10 kings.

Bhujbal veer

Rakhigarhi DNA showed that the IVC people evolved from indigenous hunter-gather and Iranian agriculturists and were similar to some South Indians and Nilgiri Tribe.There is no R1a1 Haplogroup which is common with North Indians spealilly high caste Brahmins. It's sad that the man has a political and religious agendas to interpret the research findings.

@SaiKiran-fd3gq

4 жыл бұрын

All indians are caucasoids including south indians and dalits.Just look it up

@RoshanRajSingh

4 жыл бұрын

And fyi, R1a1 haplogroup earlier ancestor called r1a1* was found to be of India originating from Gangetic Plain. There is a history defining research paper on this in of the world's best science journal. Read it up, ignorant idiot. In short Harrapans and Vedic people are same.

@kshatriyarajput4908

4 жыл бұрын

Research showed IVC ppl had Ancestory upto 70-90% from Iranian hunter gatherers and Only 30-10% from Hunter gatherers of South India.

@johnreese5230

4 жыл бұрын

Fyi R1a1 haplogroup was also found in backward castes and south indians. read Sharma et al, 2009

@johnreese5230

3 жыл бұрын

@Electroweak Epoch Not trace amounts. R1a1 was found at a frequency of 17% in scheduled castes and 10% in tribals. The other 'Indo-european' R2 haplogroup observed at a frequency of 14% in scheduled castes and 6.4% in tribals. This is a substantial genetic contribution and not 'trace' amount. The only 'pure' australoids are the andamanese and some north eastern tribes which completely lack R1a1/R2 and iranian agriculturist haplogroups. Even if the australoids came first, they eventually mixed, first with iranian agriculturists and then with Indo-Aryans.

Feels very good to know that vedas were Harappan related not aryans , proud to be an indian

@aniketkolambekar

3 жыл бұрын

It shouldn't matter cause now even that is part of our life. What matters is how far we can decipher the Harappan scripts.

@19:55 "Obviously Sanskrit Script was there" --- well it is not that obvious , samskrit has been kept alive mostly by "shruti" , written scriptures came much later.

@sadenb

4 жыл бұрын

@ferzy09 How do you know it is unrelated ? What if the Indus -script is a proto Brahmi script. Your conclusion has no evidence to build upon. He is right, the Vedas originally came from a Oral tradition . Maybe the Harappan script is a Proto-Indo European script.

@sadenb

4 жыл бұрын

@ferzy09 Absolutely not. There is no relation with Brahmi and Armaic script. Cite me primary evidences and not other people's stories. Subhas Kak did a principle component analysis on the Indus symbols and the Brahmi symbols. Look the top occurring symbols.

Romila Thapar - " How dare you take away Tandoori Chicken from my mughals.".

@gangadharhiremath7306

3 жыл бұрын

Prof.Shindhe is cooking Harappan beef exclusively for Rigvedi RSS Brahmins and we are not jealous.

@gangadharhiremath7306

3 жыл бұрын

@@sumitchauhan6420 politics is made inevitable by the Hindutwa gang.Let us keep it aside and discuss the facts. Three of the recent elaborate research on Harappans,one of which Mr.Shindhe himself was co author, have yielded following results. 2) Genetically the Harappans were lacking steppe gene(Aryan marker gene) which the later period north Indian population is predominantly having. This conclusively proves the arrival Aryan gene post Harappan period. 2)Harappans were prominently non vegetarians eating PORK and BEEF. This is conclusively proved by recent research by Aksheta satyanarayan of Oxford university. 3)The so called fire altars at Kaalibhangan and Lothal as claimed by Prof.Shindhe are not accepted as so by the academic world. Accept truth based on objective facts.Else, you are free to do Hindutwa politics with cooked up information. Prof.Shindhe is no doubt a researcher but not an honest academician.

@gangadharhiremath7306

3 жыл бұрын

@@sumitchauhan6420 U R free to live in prayagraj of 20 thousand BC of OAK. Lemuria hallucination of Dravidian hawks is discarded/laughed at long long back.By raising such frivolous issues you are substantiating your own falsehood.

@gangadharhiremath7306

3 жыл бұрын

@Devvrat Mishra Good,I know about it.ple tell this to Prof Shindhe, Oak,Rajarao and their tribe. I agree Veg/Nonveg can't be the dividing line btn Harappans and Vedic ppl. *The divide is:* Fortified cities verses temporary camps, settled verses migratory, Agricultural verses pastoral, ox verses Horses. And finally, Absence or presence of central europian steppe(Aryan)gene. Calling a cooking herth or industrial furnase as fire altar can't make Harappans Aryans.

Saraswati,Sindhu mentioned hundreds of times in Vedic texts while Volga or amu daria didn't mention single time yet communist historians believe that Vedic people come from central Asia rather than Harappan places.....।।।।

@user-zu4ht7eh6c

Жыл бұрын

That is why you could not find Saraswathi. Dna says different stories and point to Tamil civilisation.

@user-mh7nd7sh7h

Жыл бұрын

@@user-zu4ht7eh6c सुन बे कीड़े तुझ जैसे वामपंथियों का भारत के टुकड़े करने का सपना कभी पूरा नहीं होने वाला हिमालय से कन्याकुमारी तक भारत एक राष्ट्र हैं और यहां रहने वाले इसकी संतान......

This obsession of right wing Hindi speaking Hindus to somehow point Aryan race was indigenous is ridiculous. Ram is a mythology. Forget harrapan times the oldest Ram temple ever found was only 1200 years old.

NEED NOT BE CONFUSED , IT IS DRAVIDIAN/TAMILS CIVILIZATION , IT IS VERY ABSURD TO CALL IT AN VEDIC

@Sunil-yy2yo

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah ..keep on chanting what Britisher left for you to chant..

@parththeviking

5 жыл бұрын

Watch Michel danino’s lectures

@parththeviking

5 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/kadpp6axpa-WhtY.html

@user-zu4ht7eh6c

Жыл бұрын

@@Sunil-yy2yo what about genetics? Genetics says they are tamils. Why don't you throw one of Brahmin skeleton inside Harappan ruins and do dna. You will have some chance.

Mr.Shindea English is very bad. That is his pronunciation us not understandable. Please provide Captions. Good programme but of no use.

People of Ganges and Indus are very different. Present day Pakistan(and part of north India) were and are always different from people of Ganges.

Read Talageri's book on RgVeda and Avesta analysis. He clearly shows that the Proto-Indo European language homeland is in India and more precisely in the Saraswati-Drishavati region. The evidence ? Well, the myths between Germanic and Greek have no commonalities except those that matches with Vedic . Now the Iranian myths have only matches with Vedic myths and no Germanic and Greek myths. If Proto-Indo European came from the Steppes , then the situation should have been reversed. However, it is not so . Therefore, if you draw a tree , then it is only possible that there was a Migration of Proto-Indo European Language out of India and not into India. Further analysis is given by Talageri, on the sequence of rivers and also in which order did the tribes migrate outwards. There were multiple stages of Out-of -India migration. The first were the Dhruyu tribes that went all the way to the Celtic region. The word Druids come from the Dhruyus. And they are also mentioned in the later part of the Rig Veda. The last migration happened was of the Bhrigus (Arthavas) and they conincide with the last book of Rig Veda. The Mitani evidence further strengthens this point since their gods have Vedic names and not Proto-Indo European names which means they happened when the language of Vedic Sanskrit formed it's current shape. They are ones that composed Zend Avesta and migrated to Iran. That is why the two myths match and much of the rituals match. The Rig Veda is not one book . It is developed over hundreds of years and is classified into ten books (mandalas). Please see them your selves and read his analysis vs Witzel's Analysis who posits the Rig Veda after 1500 BC. And please remember the script we have for Sanskrit is of Classical Sanskrit formed during the time of Panini and not Vedic Sanskrit. The two are different.

Being slightly out if topic, the host looks like a copy of rapper Badshah.

I wonder why we Bhartiyas run after foreign culture , Rich heritage Bharat has

@user-zu4ht7eh6c

Жыл бұрын

With no archaeology, genetics, scripts and inscription!!!!?

@sangeetasharma4033

Жыл бұрын

@@user-zu4ht7eh6c excuse me

@user-zu4ht7eh6c

Жыл бұрын

@@sangeetasharma4033 you need archaeological, linguistics, genetics evidences for the one you mentioned.

Sitting in front of Such a great Professor by putting one leg over the other is not cool..neither a good culture.Thts disrespectful (He is highly qualified +elder to u n u r ought to respect both aspects)..n coz of his knowledge n greatness only u hv come to interview him I guess.

Harappans are not the Vedic people's.vedic people's are Aryans comes from Iran's.

Academic dishonesty of Prof.Shindhe is open for every one to see.The nomadic Rigvedic culture is so vastly different from the urban settled culture of Harappans. Either he is playing safe due to the political compulsions or his academic knowledge is masked by the Hindutwa prejudice. Thanks to the interviewer who is trying her best to prick this professor with pertinent questions. Fire altars in Lothal or Kalibhangan are a lot of hogwash.

@kiranus8286

3 жыл бұрын

Well it's your opinion just like everyone can make, if you can point out his dishonesty, please provide proof, and how can you say rigvedic people as nomadic? Yea they are not urban as Harappan and are not at all connected to culture of them to greater part, but you pointingout biss like this show your prejudices, you have better way that this tantrum on KZread

@gangadharhiremath7306

3 жыл бұрын

@@kiranus8286 Prof.Shindhe says one thing in his research paper on Rakhigarhi Harappan skeleton and says exactly opposite in his talks and press conference briefings. Rakhigarhi skeleton does not have "Aryan"gene which shows that Harappan were not connected with Vedic ppl.He along with other researchers agrees so in his research paper,but continues to speak that Vedic ppl were indegenous. This is academic hipocracy.

@kiranus8286

3 жыл бұрын

@@gangadharhiremath7306 sir is actually true that gene of women found in rakhighari site is not completely of Aryan but yea we can't sell ourselves to foreign narrative either, Vedic are rural but can't be nomadic or different from people who were before, shall see what will be concluded after full scale archeological investigation of there sites..we alll seeing just tip of iceberg yet More over he is talking about large scale drought of century feel on great civilization simultaneously.. It is actually true, there are plenty of things changed after that in every civilization and their culture, so we should not be too narrow and judgemental on these things

@gangadharhiremath7306

3 жыл бұрын

@@kiranus8286whatever little I have read,very early vedic ppl were highly migratory pastoral ppl.In that sense I used the word nomadic.May be my use of that word for the whole of Vedic period is wrong.In post Rigvedic period,vedic ppl even built cities. Dwarka for example was a mere village like settlement between1500 BCE. and 100 BCE. The Rakhigarhi skeletal DNA has no traces what so ever of "steppe pastoral (->Aryan)DNA.

What a channel! Fack.

So there were toilets in Pakistan 5000 years ago but still no toilet in Bharat in 2001.

@maan9785

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣 thr was no pakistan at that time..

Me not understand a puckin verd! Speak English manl If you're going to attempt it, learn to pronounce it properly!

@MickTShaft

3 жыл бұрын

@Pavan Kumar Vat is it you are trying to say? Me no understand!

@MickTShaft

3 жыл бұрын

​@ferzy09 I was joking I can fully understand what they are saying, I was being a pr1ck! Thanks for not reacting to my negativity.

@user-zu4ht7eh6c

Жыл бұрын

That is indian English. They speak little bit faster.