Hola Odeh, wonderful chat with a small group 2 weeks ago. Very enlightening. Thank you for the interview

@keytolifestyle-

2 ай бұрын

This is Carol, Rodrigo s causin.

Fascinating! Not a dull moment with Odeh. Great questions too. I'm hoping to see more of such conversations :)

Thanks for sharing. Nice to hear your experience and understanding.

Es lo mas extraordinario y a la vez lo más sencillo y mas revelador que he escuchado en mi vida! Gracias Odeh!!

I am intrigued by your somewhat different perspective on enlightenment, even though part of what you said reminded me of Krishnamurti who also stressed that there are no techniques leading to "enlightenment", and who also didn't want to be viewed as a guru. Moreover, I'm aware of the concept of happiness as a life goal being a relatively recent invention of Western societies, which use it to sell everything from cars to self-help books and courses. Chinese medicine understands that there is such a thing as too much happiness and that this can cause a person to become unbalanced and even succumb to disease. They therefore view balance/equanimity as the goal, not happiness. We might translate that as "bliss", but even that word can transmit the wrong idea. Jesus called it the "peace that transcends human understanding". Anyway, I like to hear what you have to say about it, so I just ordered your book and am looking forward to finding out!

@SherifatSuliemon-lw6ls

Жыл бұрын

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Thank you Odeh sir 🙏

very good! Muy bueno!

I have a slightly different but compatible way to see and it's that the sense of "me" accrues over time as a biological process. The ego is a mechanism to get the organism (human) to act on it's acquired desires. The feelings and emotions are building pressure that will make the individual act in the world, the sense of "me" is a sense of being a manager of said emotion which tries to make it go away by acquiring it's desires. We start life as the natural state by default, then enough desires and identities (each desire has it's own identity attached, the manager of the desire) accumulate as we grow that the ego mode becomes the default uninterrupted state. A infinite to-do list that never ends. Even when a desire is satisfied, the celebration is short lived as the next unfulfilled desire bubbles up in a endless train of identities and desires all day long... unless something very dramatic happens some day shaking that system and giving the individual a taste of not existing as ego for a moment, through meditation, extreme life event, random medical event, drugs (ego death)... this taste of the natural state often becomes a major experience in that individual person... Who then sometimes proceed to become a seeker to try to get "there" more which is eventually possible through various method and paths and gradual insights... check out Buddhism Vipassana cessations as an example of how meditation can lead there systematically

Congrats ❤❤❤

Wonderful. Like a much friendlier, warmer UG Krishnamurti. Thank you

Hello Odeh . It's wonderful to listen to you.Ot all makes sense to me and I feel great relief. The freedom from the barden of the spiritual path. Thank you. I would love to hear more of your talks.

20:50 verry verry true !

Well that is what I say that we are perfect imperfection

I appreciate your perspective Odeh. You postulate that your experience of your "self-face" is what spiritual seekers of enlightenment have called "the witness." I have never read about anyone, spiritual seeker or otherwise, who has described having anything like your experience of the self-face. I feel that it is difficult to get at exactly what others are saying by particular words such as "witness" and so is important to understand the context that the word is being used in. Let me give an example. Stephen Wolinsky, who speaks of realizing the deepest nature of reality explains how his teacher Nisargadatta Maharaj taught. First, as one is identified with oneself as one's thoughts he would tell the student to focus on his sense of "I am." The sense of "I amness" appears fully when one ceases to focus exclusively on and identify with thought. One is then in the witness state, just as you say. But that state is still far from the truth of who one is and the fundamental nature of reality. As Stephen Wolinsky explains it, then one must inquiry into and pay attention to the witness until it is revealed what is behind the witness, consciousness itself, then behind that is awareness, then one come to Absolute Nothingness, and on it goes until absolutely nothing can be said or known about oneself, anyone else, or the nature of reality itself. That, according to Wolinsky, his teacher, and other teachers of enlightenment is the final destination. Nisargadatta Maharaj calls it Parabrahman, but it is not an experience because it is beyond all experience, beyond all conceptualization. Maybe that all sounds like nonsense to the one who hasn't had the non-experience of it. Lol. I sure haven't. Maybe it's some sort of mental head trip. Though I did have an experience many years ago of going beyond my identity of being "Chris Meagher." I still had a sense of being but without any story or ideas attached to my sense of being. I experienced myself as emptiness that I could see and feel as the essence of all things. It is the most free I have ever felt. I didn't label it as a spiritual experience while in the midst of it. I just felt that I was seeing things clearly without the mind jumping in to explain everything to me. And one question, just because there is a physical correlate, in the brain in particular, to an experience doesn't mean that the physical aspect of experience is the cause anymore than the non-physicality of subjective experience would be. Aren't mirror neurons just more concepts to explain what is beyond concepts?

Very good, is more like UG than JK. Thanks, i would like hear more of Odeh.

,,,doe's anybody say that You are as the face and voice ,,,like Arnold Schwarzenegger,,!? Anyway Thank You very much for clarify some spiritual issues ,

Wonderful interview! Can I ask, Odeh, if you're familiar with Julian Jaynes?

@odehturjman

Жыл бұрын

Hi John, I'm not familiar with Julian Jaynes, but I just checked him out and it seems that he also stresses the role of language in consciousness.

Dear fellow travelers... Have you been searching for "the Truth" for a very long time? Have you given up many things (if not everything!) in your life to find "the Truth"?... Have you met many "spiritual teachers"? "spiritual Masters"? Gurus and anti Gurus? Have you read all kinds of "spiritual" books?... And you still havent found any "Truth"?...you still haven't found your Truth?... Then ODEH might really interest you !!... His experience is surprising!.... and very surprising is the result of his unique researches in the neuroscience field!... Get ready for surprises... be ready to drop all the old and new concepts you have gathered while searching for "the Truth"... Existence is really a mystery!...

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How do we put self off

@odehturjman

7 ай бұрын

By silencing the inner self-talk

@shaileshsankpal7511

Ай бұрын

​​@@odehturjmanis there any way for silencing inner self talk?

I guess you don't accept the model of the 5 koshas.