now make a socialism debunked video. what's that? oh, you like socialism? it's an inconvenient truth that it doesn't work?

@TheProverbialHater

8 жыл бұрын

Seems to be working in the UK... Socialism and Communism not the same thing.

@gollypo448

8 жыл бұрын

What you said: "Watch me kick da shit outta this fella made o' straw, Ma!"

@kylemagersupp9746

8 жыл бұрын

The Proverbial Hater it works for a while, but it'll fail eventually.

@danielweimer7207

8 жыл бұрын

we are a semi-socialist (democratic socialist) country dumbass. Who pays for roads, firemen, police, military, social security, etc.?

@Violatorclown

8 жыл бұрын

Socialised here in Ireland has been a massive success.

>When you think Objectivism and Libertarianism are interchangeable.

@fyufiy4703

3 жыл бұрын

@@freemarketliberal9432 lmao

@markcrawford5810

3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking that when I clicked on the video. Specifically I was thinking it how Objectivist is atheist and a Libertarian can be religious.

@TheEvolver311

2 жыл бұрын

Kinda like how people conflate socialism and communism

I know everything about libertarianism. Trust me. I've seen Elysium.

These guys don't appear to understand libertarianism.

Ok, I can officially say that this guy understands nothing about libertarianism

Libertarianism is the perfect religion for rich white men. If you want to see where Libertarianism leads look to the Sudan.

@MFMegaZeroX7

8 жыл бұрын

Somalia is a better example of where Libertarianism leads.

@evolvedape2161

8 жыл бұрын

Wait, there are rich white men in Sudan?

@thepenguinwarriors4167

8 жыл бұрын

So they become rich from capitalism and then become proponents of capitalism? I do not understand where the hypocrisy is their. You also are ignoring the fact that far more young people vote Libertarian than old.

@daddyaf945

8 жыл бұрын

lols

@Illusionistical822

8 жыл бұрын

Not exactly. The rich want a big government...provided it works for them. Libertarianism, like other fringe movements, only attracts people who don't benefit from the status quo.

so in other words, your rights, freedom, and human individuality debunked

@Redx3257

3 жыл бұрын

Hahahahahhahahahah... this was too good

@derrickjohnson4952

3 жыл бұрын

Ha exactly

@2vexy

2 жыл бұрын

human rights are arbitrary and freedom is not an inherent good.

@Ptkt665

Жыл бұрын

Basically. Hasan is just another collectivist

"We've never seen Libertarianism fail in practice- but here's why it will fail.... because movies"

@et133et

8 жыл бұрын

You were born into the system that provides for all of those things. You are biased towards that system and are claiming them as requirements for society. Yet look at where we are as a society and how everyone is unhappy with the system. Tell me now, how is using the same system to perpetuate what clearly hasn't worked going to solve any issues? Why is the welfare state a need? Why can't consumers educate themselves and participate in markets and companies they agree with? Why would you continue to work for a company who didn't provide compensation that you view as equal to your capital labor? No one forces anyone to work and a company doesn't need to hire you. You sound like you have a case of Stockholm Syndrome.

@Eirenarch

8 жыл бұрын

OK I will make just one try to explain 1. Libertarian is not a Boolean value just like liberal is not. There are many kinds of libertarian some of which think there should be some state to provide some services. Example - minarchists. Only full-blown anarcho-capitalists defend the total abolition of the state and I assure you they have answers to your "market won't provide" arguments and counter examples of the markets providing it. However virtually every libertarian out there thinks we have too much state now. Not every libertarian can agree on how much state we should remove but we all agree we should start removing some. For example not every libertarian thinks heroin should be legal but every libertarian thinks cannabis should be legal. 2. Libertarians are not against unions at all. In fact the original, honest concept of a union is quite libertarian. However libertarians are against protections of union members by the state or restricting the employer from firing people on strike. Sure have your union but if you stop working and the employer can just replace you all don't barricade inside his factory. If union members stop working and that is not enough to get the employer to increase wages or improve working conditions then the union members are not worth as much as they think they are and they should shut up. 3. "What about the need for a welfare state" - there is no need for a welfare state or as Wikipedia would put it [citation needed] Oh and btw the core value of libertarianism is not a small state it is the Non-Aggression Principle - go look it up

@nustada

8 жыл бұрын

"What about negative externalities?" What about them? Strong property rights are the answer. You poison the river you are liable to everyone downstream. "governments provide infrastructure " Governments provides nothing, all they can give is what they took. There is no rational reason to think you have to point guns to build "infrastructure" "from being bid down below labor's productivity" That is not how wages work now. Minimum wage only applies to a minority as it is. Imagine one hundred people are bidding over a dollar, all of them want to buy the dollar for as little as possible. The bidding begins at one cent. How much will then end price be, will it be closer to zero or closer to a dollar. Now replace that dollar with the value a worker can bring to a job. Wages should ALWAYS be lower than productivity, because the employer bears the capital risk and time value interest. "What about the need for a welfare state?" What about it, the sooner it is gone, the better. The decline of poverty ended when Johnson started his "war on poverty". For those in real need that is what family, community and charity are for. The only reason we "need" welfare is the impoverishing effects of institutional extortion in the first place.

@2vexy

Жыл бұрын

We've never seen Libertarianism work in practice.

You can't debunk a political ideology

@stewartsimon5012

3 жыл бұрын

Why

@360_gangsterelite2

3 жыл бұрын

except for socialism

@jake4297

3 жыл бұрын

@@stewartsimon5012 because its an ideology. you cant just say the ideology is false

@jake4297

3 жыл бұрын

@@stewartsimon5012 i cant say islam debunked just because im not muslim

You didn't debunk libertarianism. You didn't even debunk your own misrepresentation of it.

@nepalguy1009

4 жыл бұрын

If you debunk you mean he didn't show a contradiction within the philosophy, then sure. But that was not his intention. His aim was to shed light on the direct entailments of a capitalist society with a night-watchman state.

This is not a debunk. It is just a video explaining why he does not like libertarianism.

I was just a conservative before this video. After this video I became a libertarians. I did further study and realized you debunked nothing.

The Marxist does not like libertarianism..? Who would have seen that..?

@ladycatfish2896

8 жыл бұрын

***** Can you explain this simple observation I have made regarding those on the left and those on the right: Those on the left, even Cenk, when they speak of Marxism/communism, speak in tones of regret. As in, they wish it would work, but they realized it would not. Those on the right, on the other hand, blatantly say it won't work at all and despise it. I have heard more than one leftist quote the Communist Manifesto (which I have read in full, btw). "Communisms end goal is actual to completely abolish the State" -> And we all saw how that worked out... Well actually, to be fair, their communist states were "abolished", i.e., made defunct, in the end! Is Social Democrat the same as Democratic Socialist or two different things? Also: the gun thing is exclusively an American thing. No other places have that issue, as far as I am aware. Not really a left vs right thing, as even many liberals like guns. And many conservatives actually prefer more gun regulations. This has nothing to do with capitalism or anti-capitalism.

@kazzd0g158

8 жыл бұрын

+

@ladycatfish2896

8 жыл бұрын

***** Human nature itself defeats Marxism/communism. I had come to this conclusion independently long ago. And surprisingly, even Cenk himself mentioned that once in one of his videos a while back. The *only* way I see that Marxism would ever work(in my personal opinion) is if some massive super intelligent AI with all the info available handled the government/economy and also if all production was handled by robots, no humans involved at all. A world where humans do not have to work at all. However, I fear that this too would eventually end in a disaster as humans have a remarkable tendency to mess shit up when they get really bored/complacent/got nothing to do. Humans would....stagnate. That old saying, the idle mind is the devil's workshop.. Regarding Democratic Socialism, you *really* need to see this: www.dsausa.org/what_is_democratic_socialism See the rhetoric closely. Much of what is being said sounds eeriely like the communist rhetoric. Very similar ideas. Too similar.

@athelstaneofconingsburgh

8 жыл бұрын

Communist Manifesto is a meme. Read some actual works of Marx like full two volumes of Das Kapital and some selected works of Engels and Hegel. And even that's a short version that ignores 150 years of development of the Marxist thought that occurred afterward.

@coosoorlog

8 жыл бұрын

reading Das Kapital is almost like waterboarding. and this is from a western marxist. I'd suggest rather going through those David Harvey lectures so you don't get suicidal tendencies in the process.

He probably spent more time watching Elysium than he did actually researching what libertarianism is

When you use videos of authoritarian governments to explain why we need more government 😂

Libertarians arent for no government, but less

@theheat510

3 жыл бұрын

What is less?

@kodiak3995

3 жыл бұрын

@@theheat510 free market, fully privatized land (no property tax etc), ensuring liberties, anti atf, etc

@whachamacallitis

3 жыл бұрын

How much less? Who gets to decide where in what sector in what circumstances and to what degree it is less?

Libertarianism ignores humanities greed, and communism ignores humanities laziness

@israel11648

8 жыл бұрын

joseph dejacque google him.

@rpgspree

8 жыл бұрын

Libertarianism ignores humanity's greed, and communism ignores humanity's greed. (FTFY) The single party communist states were rife with all forms of corruption. Any system that ignores greed is doomed from its very inception.

@termspar4231

8 жыл бұрын

And government ignores both peoples greed, and laziness

@mannyverse6158

8 жыл бұрын

rpgspree I agree the government becomes corrupt, I'm talking about the people, the people (non-government people) become lazy because they believe the govt will do things for them

@rpgspree

8 жыл бұрын

***** Do you know anyone who lived in a communist country? None of them I know would be called "lazy". LOL

Libertarianism isn't a rich man ideal, in fact the richest people utilize the government to get advantage on others, they use lobbies to put away others competitors, cause in a really free market they have to offer a great product if they want to sell something.

@libertariankeith7027

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, if it was truly a rich man ideology why do wall street fund republicans and democrats. They don't fund Libertarians. You are exactly most monopolist use the state to crush competition. TYT are talking a lot of nonsense.

@pumamountainlion7777

2 жыл бұрын

Libertarianism is the rich man’s ideal because without government being an authority over socioeconomics who’s going to defend the oppressed from the oppressors and uphold human rights and peoples needs?

@BerlinSantos

2 жыл бұрын

@@pumamountainlion7777 Man, the government is the main oppressor

@chickenbroski99

2 жыл бұрын

@@pumamountainlion7777 THE AVERAGE DECENT HUMAN BEING WILL. IF YOU HAD A CHOICE BETWEEN WAL MART AND A MOM AND POP STORE WHICH WOULD YOU CHOOSE? YOU DONT BECAUSE YOUR SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO RUN A SMALL BUSINESS MORON. BACK TO THE QUESTION - IF LIBERTARIANISM IS FOR RICH PEOPLE WHY DO RICH PEOPLE FUND DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS? USE BRAIN TARD

@youtubeviolatedme7123

Жыл бұрын

Wrong. Picture a boxing match where one of the judges is clearly biased towards one of the fighters. Maybe that judge had been paid off by that fighter to give them a higher score. Most people upon learning about this bias would sack the judge, and hire a different, impartial judge. Libertarians would propose that the boxing match should be held without any judges at all, and only with a referee. edit: even though I think most people will understand what I'm getting at, I'll still explain the metaphor. The boxing ring is the market. The fighters are companies. The judges are the government. The referee is law enforcement.

How are TYT not embarrassed to put this up? There isn't a single argument in the entire video, nor an accurate representation of libertarian philosophy.

@averagejoe3312

8 жыл бұрын

TYT is a bunch of liberals. Liberals rely on the Government and doesn't want to work. They are happy to let the Government rule their lives. Libertarian is the opposite, and stands for freedom. Libertarian means you make your own way in life, and the Government only protects the people.

@Shanannigan1

8 жыл бұрын

cassl14 There's no compassion in social programs. Charity shows compassion, welfare is not charity. It's compassion if you voluntarily give to help those in need. Having the state steal the wealth of others under coercion is not compassion.

@averagejoe3312

8 жыл бұрын

Hobble is right in what he said. Liberalism is nothing more than a get a few more pennies off the American tax payers and authoritarian rulers. Libertarian is less government and more of people making their own way in life. Libertarian means you believe in small government and lesser programs, but more jobs and freedom, and much less taxes. Libertarian is about freedom, and liberal is about more food stamps next months to feed my kids so I wont half to go out and find myself a real job.

@YungGokuOver

8 жыл бұрын

hmmmm, I'm curious about this. because I used to support Ron Paul back in 2012, but then as time went on I realized that I agreed with some of what he said, but then other things just left me scratching my head. I wish someone would make a video series really breaking down the nuances of the different ideologies, as well as the benefits of mixing them. my big question to libratarians, as a black man, I ask when you say there should essentially be no taxes so that the citizens have more money and they can pull themselves up from their bootstraps...now my question is, with Slavery and Jim Crow and the Drug War/New Jim Crow doing a disgustingly superb job at destroying minority communities and families, putting us behind the 8 ball compared to the average white family, I ask when you get rid of social programs like wellfare and what not, what do you say to people in those communities? because the playing field is not equal, and I just don't think it would work in the world we live it atm. also I know less regulation is wanted and all I keep hearing is how when we deregulated the banks we got the housing crash. I'm truly curious. I know I'm a democratic socialist at heart, but I like to be fully informed.

@averagejoe3312

8 жыл бұрын

At least that made some sense. It just frankly means this, you will get up and go to work. Your paycheck will pay your own way much better in life. Libertarian will not do away with taxes and not help people, it will only lessen them. It will make you have a most of your paycheck to pay your own way in life. This will make you have more government freedom and independence from government rules and regulations. The government likes the ones they control,not the ones they can't. I work for a very big company and they have high up management that's black Obama is black, and many lawyers and judges are black. all it takes is a little trying on anyone part to change the stars.

When someone doesn't know the difference between Libertarianism and Anarchism... and then pretends to know what they are talking about. A+ reporting there TYT

@VexingThoughts1

8 жыл бұрын

are you that person?

One minute in and anyone who knows anything about Libertarianism knows this dude doesn't know wtf he's talking about. LMAO. What a goofy attempt. Lol.

@tyler-go2gw

2 жыл бұрын

yep that is this guys M.O. he exists online to spread marxist propaganda and attempts to clown everyone who isn't a liberal extremist.

This guy didn't "debunk" anything. He just showed how little he actually understands about libertarianism.

Read a freaking book on economics before you post crap like this

I love that the channel that thinks the American government is evil and racist is “debunking” an ideology that calls for less government interference and not forcing others to live the way you want them too.

@mattshelfreliance

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 and boom goes the dynamite 🧨😅👍

@Rey_th7

Жыл бұрын

American is government controlled by millionaires and billionaires.

Still better than trump and hilary

@tomiokiji3792

8 жыл бұрын

Your comparing an ideology to a political candidate... Makes sense

@georgerodriguez1365

8 жыл бұрын

+Tomi Okiji haha I know right

@scott12black

8 жыл бұрын

Not much to go on--so is what I just dropped off in the toilet...

@LutherusPXCs

8 жыл бұрын

Dog shit on the road is better, no president at all is better

@Blackjacksoldier395

8 жыл бұрын

agreed

Only TYT could describe libertarianism by showing images of statist holy symbols.

Did he actually compare Libertarianism to communism? What?

@Flashyfinancier

4 жыл бұрын

They are both at the extremes of the political spectrum therefore extremely stupid

@JanGuentherMarkus

4 жыл бұрын

@@Flashyfinancier haha expert take right there

@Flashyfinancier

4 жыл бұрын

@@JanGuentherMarkus yeah

the dystopian movies used to argue against libertarianism, have nothing to do with it. Those movies had authoritarian governments.

@cookiegino23

3 жыл бұрын

Could argue similarly for socialism and authoritarian governments

Wasn't America a libertarian country for almost all of our history? You know the years when our economy was booming? When we went from having virtually nothing in this country to being the richest country on planet, it was all due to libertarianism.

@lollard

8 жыл бұрын

Yeah, back when everyone owned slaves and most people had to work triple/quadruple shifts a day in extremely dangerous and deadly factories, including children, just to put food on the table. You see... The U.S. didn't become one of the richest countries in the world until after WWII, during a time when post-depression Keynesian mixed economic policies were in place (top marginal tax rate was 90%), and war spending provided ungodly numbers of new jobs, new technologies, and new industries.

@lollard

8 жыл бұрын

Um... it did... Have you ever even read a history book? I'm asking that as a serious question. Have you ever taken a history class? Have you ever heard of the 50s? "America's response to World War II was the most extraordinary mobilization of an idle economy in the history of the world. During the war 17 million new civilian jobs were created, industrial productivity increased by 96 percent, and corporate profits after taxes doubled. The government expenditures helped bring about the business recovery that ;had eluded the New Deal. War needs directly consumed over one-third of the output of industry, but the expanded productivity ensured a remarkable supply of consumer goods to the people as well. America was the only that saw an expansion of consumer goods despite wartime rationing. BY 1944, as a result of wage increases and overtime pay, real weekly wages before taxes in manufacturing were 50 percent higher than in 1939. The war also created entire new technologies, industries, and associated human skills." Yeah, but who needs facts when you're a LIBER-FUCKIN-TARIAN!!!???

@pierrebush662

8 жыл бұрын

+::: STICKY DROSERA This is completely false. America was already one of the most wealth countries at the beginning of the 20th century....its military wasn't the strongest in the world as it was after World War II but it was already a global economic juggernaut...

@darwin4219

8 жыл бұрын

Yes the native Americans were free from big government before the Spanish arrived ;)

@Spilly42

8 жыл бұрын

+::: STICKY DROSERA You understand slavery was enforced through government to begin with right? Also, people should be able to choose whatever hours they want to work for whatever pay they want to work for through voluntary negotiations. I guess you don't understand that the standard of living, wages, and life expectancy all increased during the industrial revolution.

"Libertarianism is similar to communism" Jesus Christ what is this guy on?

@stupiditycrusader2368

6 жыл бұрын

Fake News Ikr? It's literally the exact opposite

"What can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence." -Christopher Hitchens

@robinsss

6 жыл бұрын

your point is?

@zerokev6691

6 жыл бұрын

robinsss He did not bring up evidence that libertarianism is bad so therefore his analysis could be dismissed without bringing up evidence

@dickgoblin

3 жыл бұрын

Bases of all libertarians.

TYT talking about Libertarianism is the equivalent to me try to tell Tom Brady how to be a better quarterback.

@AlyssaQ420

4 жыл бұрын

Haha! XD

@aidasberzinskas

4 жыл бұрын

@@AlyssaQ420 I like how you used XD unironically.

@profoundwill43

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao yes

@amisanthrope247

2 жыл бұрын

Riiiiiiiight....because everything said here isn't spot on accurate as f*ck, is it? Douche-tard.

@d.nakamura9579

2 жыл бұрын

Touchy!

If libertarianism is rich man ideal - why NO RICH people donate and fund the libertarian movement ? ;-) Because most rich people today got there thanks to the state - by cronyism and regulation written by lobbyists to stiffle competition. And you cant have cronyism in libertarian small government :-)

@chris135x

2 жыл бұрын

Is this your way of saying "thank you, BIG GOVERNEMNT! I will worship you until I die."???

@2vexy

2 жыл бұрын

When the rich aren't being regulated, there absolutely will be more cronyism.

@MrJigssaw1989

2 жыл бұрын

@@2vexy Imagine a government which literally has no power to regulate economic behavior - now tell me how there is cronyism ?

@2vexy

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrJigssaw1989 no regulations means the companies can do whatever they want, the biggest companies can go and buy up all the small companies and increase prices because no laws to set competition, companies can decrease people's wages because no minimum wage laws, companies can force people to pay more for basic necessities like Healthcare and education because no government subsidies or alternatives

@MrJigssaw1989

2 жыл бұрын

@@2vexy guess what there is no law against increasing prices and 97% of people work for more than minimum wage (where i live). Competition is not set by a law .... Interesting that the sectors where prices are rising the most are actually the ones where government is - namely education and healthcare. Like compare lasik surgery price - where neither government or insurance isnt paying and some basic surgery like where it is over time. Hell just compare prices of veterinary surgeries with similar surgeries on humans..... And then go with a straight face and tell me that government is helping.

This didn't debunk anything except for the intellectual credibility of TYT.

it's super cool that TYT is so multicultural that they started making vids in other languages because this sure as shit was not English

"The core value of libertarianism is 'small government'." - No. It is the non-aggression principal. "Fiscally conservative republicans are more likely to vote for libertarians than democrats."" - Political agenda is not the goal. That is a contradiction. "Man motivated by self gain will not ultimately do the right thing." - Is this a projection of yourself? Man will if he is rational. "The purpose of society is to make sure that everyone is fed ...." - No. Society has no purpose. Individuals have a purpose. "Who protects the unprotected? Who defends the rights of the defenseless?" - We all do. Who does this in your statist society? No one. "Libertarians acknowledge that a free society will drive a larger wealth disparity." - No. There is a large wealth disparity in your statist society. It will be less in a free society because there is no state to fund the ruling class. "Wealth inequality paired with deregulation creates an opportunity for the haves to rule over the have nots." - No. That's what we have today in your statist society. Without a state, by definition, their will be no rulers. "Employers [would] have a right to force rules that would never be permitted in our current democratic systems." - No. The opposite. They have a "right" to force things because of your state. "[Libertarianism] compels the poor to take jobs they don't want to, and live where they don't want to."" - No. Reality does this. The Elysium movie is a libertarian utopia. - No. It is a totalitarian dictatorship, which is the opposite of a free society. Libertarianism is like the monarchy before the French revolution. - No. A free society does not have a monarch. "Libertarianism is similar to communism." - No. It is the opposite. "[Libertarianism] has individual freedom as its overriding principal. [Communism] has equality." _ That is a false dichotomy.

@jiraiyasannin5905

7 жыл бұрын

These are all cheap technicalities that you know are false. Your counters aren't fact based but just angsty and snarky and almost come off as liberal sarcasm

@kraortlag1548

7 жыл бұрын

dylan brown Another way of saying that it's *you* that don't have a any counter-arguments to his?

"The core value of Libertarianism is small government." Wrong, the core value of Libertarianism is the non-aggression principle.

@CrimsonFlameRTR

8 жыл бұрын

Sayuas It has nothing to do with wealth. It's not an economic statement, it's a moral statement.

@sayuas4293

8 жыл бұрын

Nicholas Kent That just conveniently happens to result in huge economic disparity.

@CrimsonFlameRTR

8 жыл бұрын

Sayuas Any evidence? Where are the libertarian countries, current or historical?

@1GTX1

8 жыл бұрын

Having kids is aggression, how many libertarians are without kids?

@CrimsonFlameRTR

8 жыл бұрын

1GTX1 Unless a rape has occurred, pregnancy is consensual. Try again.

Not all libertarians are right wing libertarians, many of us are socialists.

@tomiokiji3792

8 жыл бұрын

You are therefore a democrat.

@erikdumas9873

8 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but I think they're referring to the Libertarian Party, which tends to be more right wing on economic issues.

@h.a.l.3980

8 жыл бұрын

Fair enough... Their are crazies in every party I suppose.

@tomiokiji3792

8 жыл бұрын

I meant to say liberal which is a term used to refer to a democrat. My mistake

@MFMegaZeroX7

8 жыл бұрын

You aren't a libertarian, any more than anyone who identifies themself as a communist can be a conservative. Libertarianism by definition means you are right wing idealogically, and probably oppose things like welfare and food stamps. Take a look at the definition of libertarianism. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

Classical liberalism is two fundamental principles: 1) Non-aggression, 2) Property rights. The consequence is limited government because government by taking peoples money violates the non-aggression-principle and property rights

@thegeneralstrike6747

6 жыл бұрын

Erlend Somehow it sounds like I don't know anarchism or the more modern term libertarian socialism the word libertarian has always meant Anarchist throughout history it wasn't until neoliberals to said to change the definition of every freaking thing under the sun

@robinsss

6 жыл бұрын

actually this a common misnomer ..........people started to confuse libertarians and anarchist very early on and because of that many people associated libertarianism with anarchist,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,libertarian was actually just another term used to describe liberals form a very early period............journalist may have created the political use of the term

@thegeneralstrike6747

6 жыл бұрын

Erlend Libertarian Socialism sir. Liberalism is the psuedo left. Liberals with an ideology that govt can solve social issues, offer protection, under the false pretense that hierarchy, representative democracy, govt, or pieces of paper, can give, protect, or offer rights, liberties, sovereignty, etc. You are correct about nonaggression as it pertains to Libertarian Socialism but liberals are still under the same false pretence stated above. Govt, constitutions, constitutional republics, are at core complete illusions, meant to allow those in the minority to be protected from the masses of ignorant cannon fodder who would strive for equity, so in short Madisonian democracy. Just FYI Thomas Paine who so brilliantly penned THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, believed it to be the end of hierarchical tyranny, Paine had no use for the Constitution. Paine sae the constitution as a farce, that words on paper, govts, or anyone could give rights is a joke. Unalienable rights are those you are born with, cannot be taken away, but could surely be freely given if one was to be coerced, or nehscience was the only knowledge passed down. Libertarians, in North America, are corporate socialists, which in many ways we already have as The Fascist Corporate State. The coporate socialism had gone on for years before the Powell memorandum when the full on push for a Coup De Tat or Corporate Raiding occured fully infiltrating the entire us govt hierarchy. (See def. Of fascist state) So the confusion only began when Anarchist ideology was used to label a party that would only allow business to have the equity and have it quite freely. Libertarians would have the fascist state be up front hiding in plain site so to speak. As well corporate sponsorship of a candidate they believe would be a given and they would reap the financial rewards from having a legit candidate. So briefly North American Libertarian= Corporate Socialist/Anarchocapitalist in which hierarchical structures oppress the cannon fodder in order they profit at the expense of others through propaganda global terrorism as corporate racketeers Globally Libertarian Socialist=Anarchist Socialism=System of Economics not a political schema or ideology as the taking of the state by corporate cooperatives would only lead back to the Fascist State Anarchist=Equity for all life, no hierarchical structures Only authority as can legitimize itself on demand or has been requested by the community at large for temporary resolutions, nonaggression principles No private property Cooperative or individual industry only Direct democracy

@theheat510

3 жыл бұрын

Who do you think defends property rights. Our court systems make sure that no one can take your house from under you, your neighbor can't encroach on your property and claim it as he own. if somebody breaks into your house it's the police that goes out and find that person and retrieve your things, also those same courts prosecute the person that stole your shit.

They couldn't debunk a turd

Being dishonest about something is not the same thing as debunking it. Look I get it, you're scared of freedom.

@vincem2759

8 жыл бұрын

Please tell me you came up with that quote. If not i'm stealing it anyway lol

@justinmackey24

8 жыл бұрын

Yes, I'm terrified of unity. Unity breeds lot's of collective stupidity.

@vincem2759

8 жыл бұрын

Justin Mackey Well then leave the country, be alone by yourself without collective protection.

@justinmackey24

8 жыл бұрын

Nah man... Unfortunately the Statists have me trapped here :(

@ItsPooly

8 жыл бұрын

Do you realize that most monopolies and rich people are rich because of government. Look up the myth of the natural monopoly. Only in extraordinary circumstances has a monopoly ever existed without governmental assistance. Elon Musk, Trump, George Soros, etc all of them are rich because of crony capitalism. At some point you can't blame the player and you have to blame the game. Soros gets his wealth from betting against the U.S. after creating social and political tension via politics like funding BLM (conveniently with riots) which created economic tension. He does this in every country. Our entire country is built upon libertarianism and classical liberal principles and it has worked for HUNDREDS of years. Only now after we decide to abandon it for a huge social safety net, regulations, and government interventionism has everything begin to go to shit.

You have no understanding of Libertarianism. Socialism leads to Venezuela , why dont you go for a visit

@TheFireAspect

8 жыл бұрын

>Says you have no understanding of socialism >Proceeds to cite Denmark as a socialist haven I think YOU are the one who needs to learn what socialism is pal.

@TexKimball

8 жыл бұрын

Denmark is not socialism hahaha

@alwayschanging5821

8 жыл бұрын

That's extremely fallicized logic. The US practices socialism right now and has been for years.

@brandonbowen1962

8 жыл бұрын

TheFire Aspect, technically Denmark has a freer market than the USA, they just have a larger welfare state.

@brandonbowen1962

8 жыл бұрын

Nephilim Born, the USA is more of a corporatism state than Socialist. It's not really capitalist or socialist.

i watch leftists to get views from all side but this is crazy and regulation mainly helps the rich and big corporations that can afford it

Imagine believing this debunks libertarianism.

@gabemando7823

6 жыл бұрын

Tumble Sensei like, thumbs up and subscribe

@WeAreWafc

5 жыл бұрын

This video made me a libertarian

So the examples shown to criticize libertarianism are 1) clips of protestors/rioters clashing with police in largely authoritarian states and 2) a movie. This is such a strong argument.

@cory45x

8 жыл бұрын

think you forgot to unmute your sound, 'cause you know, he was speaking his points

@jtook14

8 жыл бұрын

When someone makes claims and provides fiction to substantiate said claims, it makes it a terrible argument. That makes this an opinionated hit piece. It didn't even have cherry-picked stats to put up the perception of a coherent argument.

@TheFrostsabre

8 жыл бұрын

Well the images were just there to give people something to look at, it doesn't really matter what they showed as long as his argument was solid. Were those protesters libertarian protesters? If they were then I can see the justification for using them. As for the movie he was only using an example of what a libertarian society could look like, and he drew similarities between the future portrayed in the movie and the future that libertarianism could bring. Personally I can't see what the issue with that is

@jtook14

8 жыл бұрын

+TheFrostsabre One can reasonably make the assumption that those protestors weren't libertarian. The reason? There aren't a ton of libertarians out there that can mobilize easily and the vast majority of protests like those pictured are due to a result of people being upset of an authoritarian government. Those pictures depict the negatives of an authoritarian government...not the negatives of the peoples' cause. Do you think that BLM is a terrible movement that has no justification and the clashes with police are just showing what they are truly about? That's the argument you just tried to make.

@jtook14

8 жыл бұрын

+This Guy I never said it was impossible to debunk any ideology. There are flaws and valid grievances/issues for all. That being said, it's possible to debunk a lot of the fear-inspired rhetoric that this had. It's weird. TYT and libertarians actually talk about a lot of the same issues but have different economic theories to address them. So instead of bringing those issues to the forefront of the argument like they did with Bernie, they're smashing them and influencing their audience to settle for someone who doesn't care about the issues they care about. Seems counterproductive.

So your main sources are Science Fiction movies and assumptions derived from those movies? Well shit, that's me sold.

Except that in Libertarianism, no one is helpless.

I want to live in a world with out people like you.

@heimerblaster976

6 жыл бұрын

Ya I agree I don't like Hugh ether he owes me money and...and, O wait you said YOU...my mistake...i'll just go now.

@icecreamjunkie6790

3 жыл бұрын

Don’t we all

This guy has a severe misunderstanding of the basic principles. I doubt he knows anything about economics, nor has he read the foundational literature that he so readily ridicules

@g2trashtxd781

5 жыл бұрын

I think he hasn't even read Das Kapital.

As a Libertarian, I watched a minute of this video, paused, went to go get alcohol, then resumed. That's the only way I could make it through. That's the way I get through any Young Turks video.

@ScottyBeans-ex1ds

7 жыл бұрын

For the lulz. You?

TL;DR: "Libertarianism is debunked because I don't really understand... 1) "How disparity of income is not the problem with poverty, and that what matters is how wealthy the poorest are." (If the poorest person in your country have cars, it doesn't matter if the richest hs a quantum spaceship. Similarly, a society where everyone is starving equally is not one to be called ideal. Disparity is not the problem; never was and never will be. The problem is about getting the poor out of starvation or misery; it's about making the poorest live well.) 2) "How the rich infringing the rights and freedoms of others goes directly against the very first thing I said about Libertarianism." 3) "How there is no such thing as an altruistic government." (By definition, if the resources you're using to help others are taken by force from someone else, that's not altruism, that's theft. In the first place, helping the helpless should be something voluntary, as each adult person is ultimatelly responsible for themselves and their children. No one should be forced to sacrifice themselves or their resources for the sake of others'. If society worked that way as a principle, you could be forced to anything at any time. "I think I deserve YOUR stuff more than you do, therefore you OWE what you have to me, and I'll take if by force if need be!" - That is how societies become UNcivilized; and socialism is just that with extra steps. Particularly, it's that replacing the second 'I' with "that third person there". It is immoral to it's very core.)

@jimgrieser9381

3 жыл бұрын

@A Ryzen I'm no fan of Vox, but this is a pretty good article covering the housing situation; www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/22524829/wall-street-housing-market-blackrock-bubble And here's a study; www.freddiemac.com/research/insight/20210507_housing_supply.page#:~:text=Future%20outlook%3A%20shortage%20to%20continue,to%203.8%20million%20in%202020.

@jimgrieser9381

3 жыл бұрын

@A Ryzen Long story short, it's hard for middle class people to buy homes because of the recent shortages stipulated largely by local governments and land use regulations, zoning restrictions preventing supply from picking up in areas which have the most demand, etc. And these companies don't usually invest in single-family households but apartments that would be rented one way or another.

@Rey_th7

Жыл бұрын

Privatized helath care sucks in usa

Nice ratio guys. EVen your own subscribers don't agree with you.

@Baraborn

3 жыл бұрын

I watched this one 3 years ago. These people are new and probably didn't even sub.

Next up: A Creationist debunks evolution. .

@SuperAtheist

8 жыл бұрын

***** that's a good example of projection.

@SuperAtheist

8 жыл бұрын

***** Not an argument.

You didn't debunk libertarianism. You simply argued the economic theory of right-libertarianism. You need to argue against the philosophy as a whole in order to truly debunk it

There was literally zero facts provided. Please PROVE to me how libertarianism creates an Elysium society.

@VexingThoughts1

8 жыл бұрын

with the power of imagination and that's all

total crap .. not worth watching

Am I the only who finds it hilarious that the only evidence provided against libertarian economics in this video Is a bellow average science fiction action movie?

@IceBlueBeard

8 жыл бұрын

Well there is always Somalia

@onepiecefan74

8 жыл бұрын

IceBlueBeard But they didn't cite that. They cited a fictional movie that no one really liked.

@crazynemoperson97

8 жыл бұрын

Libertarians hate regulation, and from the gilded age we seen what happens unless we get corporation on check. Even to this day there isn't enough regulation. But at least we have the EPA.

@MrGran90

8 жыл бұрын

+IceBlueBeard Warring factions and no respect for private property rights is not libertarianism. Don't mistake govt collapse or ineptitude for a limited govt that responsibility is limited to protecting individual rights, property rights, and national defense

@IceBlueBeard

8 жыл бұрын

Gran McKerlie So you are saying if there are warring factions and no respect for private property then libertarianism cannot function? So what if that happens in a libertarian society , then how can you prevent that if you don't have any government to regulate things?

I’ll let The like to dislike ratio speak for itself.....

@SerEthan

6 жыл бұрын

Faigame Tupai that's how the free market works

"The purpose of civilization should... not create conditions so that the few can secure a substantially greater portion of resources while others are virtually left with nothing" That sounds like government for me, not libertarianism. Young Turks talking nonsense as usual.

@samwalters6170

7 жыл бұрын

Exactly, the conditions they described can only be achieved through violent actions. That is how modern government structures came about.

I became a libertarian after Hillary lost and the left lost what was left of their minds.

@spencerferrier3857

3 жыл бұрын

When you think that the Democrats are the left...🤦🤦🤦

@bkstandard882

3 жыл бұрын

@@spencerferrier3857 They are though

@HarbingerOfBattle

Жыл бұрын

@@bkstandard882 No they’re really not. The Dems are still authoritarian right, just like the GOP. They’re just less authoritarian and less right leaning.

Leave it to TYT to "debunk" freedom.

You can't be more wrong about socialism. Socialism does not have equality as a core principle, it has equity as a core principle. There is a difference and it is very important to understand. The beauty of libertarianism is that by removing government barriers it gives everyone an EQUAL chance, it is in this sense the most equal government ever conceived. Transactions in a libertarian society happen solely between the parties involved, and only on a consensual basis. It doesn't give additional benefit to anyone based on class, sex, race, or any other factor, it only cares about the parties deciding if or if not they want to do business together. The problem with socialism is that it is inherently unequal and unjust. This is the reason it eventually breaks down, there is a difference between everyone should be treated equal and everyone is equal, one is a moral virtue, the other is a false statement, and socialism attempts to work on the basis that the second is true.

@oddozx

5 жыл бұрын

Socialism advocates exactly for "everyone should be treated equally", it never assumed that everyone is equal, you won't find such a nonsensical definition of Socialism anywhere. Heck, even Communism never assumed that everyone is equal, only that " each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs". It is a quite basic propaganda tactic from Cold War times, cmon, you can do better.

@mbrook6807

5 жыл бұрын

It's nice that the children of the poor will have exactly the same chance at financial success as the children of the rich, what a fantastically insane idea. This system is so absurd .

@oddozx

5 жыл бұрын

@@mbrook6807 not sure who are you talking to, but if yes, Socialism assumes that children of the poor will have more-or-less the same chance at financial success. For sure, rich people will be able to teach their kids some tricks about how to become wealthy OR try to push them further by the means of corruption and bribery. And the first one is okay, it is okay to give your wisdom to your kids, but the second one should be persecuted by the government heavily. Overall, corruption is the main problem of Socialism and should be the first thing to deal with. If you were talking about Libertarianism, well, then I agree, because it is insane to assume that in the conditions of absolutely uncontrolled free market anyone would be equal in any way.

@mbrook6807

5 жыл бұрын

Oddo I was talking about libertarianism. I agree with you I would consider myself a social democrat. Libertarianism, I find, to be one of the more dangerous philosophies that currently infects our society.

@2vexy

Жыл бұрын

It's not consensual though, I did not consent to the existence of private property, and yet libertarianism would force me to acknowledge it's existence.

He acts like libertarians want to abolish government rather than shrink it. He is over-exadurating and using a straw man.

So essentially, what you're saying is, "we can't trust the wealthy in a free society where everyone has equal opportunity, so instead let's trust a handful of wealthy people to tell 320 million people what's best for them." Because that's what we have right now... a bunch of wealthy people in Congress who get to make the rules for 320 million people who can't really do anything about it if they disagree. And because of the regulation power we give these wealthy people in Congress, they are able to make regulations that favor their lobbyists while stifling competition and harming small business.

Almost everything he said was completely wrong... He clearly knows almost nothing about the subject.

@checking00

8 жыл бұрын

Rigghhttt, cause only libertarians and supporters of it know what its about.

@AndyMcCoyFTW

8 жыл бұрын

must sound familiar.

@PhyloGenesis

8 жыл бұрын

checking00 No, just this guy is clueless. Cenk Uygur seems plenty informed about it despite being totally against it. They should probably have discussed it first.

@AndyMcCoyFTW

8 жыл бұрын

Maybe if Cenk learned how to debate he would be able to "debunk" it.

@Classygreekgirl

8 жыл бұрын

Please, by all means. Share with us what he got wrong about Libertarianism.

"I can't understand economics, ergo Libertarianism debunked" Wow great argument TyT :)

@lavia5521

8 жыл бұрын

"I can't understand the arguments used, so I am going to up a narrative" -Jet Jenkins

@CarSVernon

8 жыл бұрын

"anyone can type random bullshit online, so why dont I as well"

@sullyFL

8 жыл бұрын

Well, it's basically true. Libertarians are people who make bad grades. Libertarianism is a self-defeating concept, as it would only work in a system of perfect competition (all competitors near equal); but it a highly skewed society, arguing for deregulation is arguing to give more to dominant market players and less to those struggling to compete.

@BeornBorg

8 жыл бұрын

Alan Greespan debunked the central tenet of Libertarianism (i.e. the market is rationale).

@sullyFL

8 жыл бұрын

Corporations love a government they can buy; you're making an argument for campaign finance reform and getting money out of politics. That's important. But deregulating in this already skewed marketplace doesn't magically level the playing field and create new competitors--it just allows existing ones to exploit new avenues to profit.

Using Elysium (A sci fi movie) as a source. I didn't expect anything more of Vox.

@Yodelinthegully-d7r

3 жыл бұрын

It’s a small example in the entire piece. Nice try. Go smoke your weed and whine about taxes and enjoy this trendy bullshit. It’s founder even gave up on it.

@lolhi9626

3 жыл бұрын

@@Yodelinthegully-d7r First learn how to spell "its"

99% of the comments here debunk this debunking. This must tell you something.

Libertarianism status: not debunked

@ArchYeomans

7 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

I have a feeling that you failed your argumentation classes. First of all, you never start a sentence with "I feel" or "I think." When trying to present something as fact, one must remove themselves from the equation, implying that you have no bias. Secondly, you've failed that specific task already by using TYT's platform. Bias against liberalism and other ideals right of extreme left are heavily discouraged. To summarize, this debunking video is not a debunk. It's an opinion.

@tyler-go2gw

2 жыл бұрын

welcome to liberal media. no facts just opinion and attempts to clown everyone who isn't an extremist libtard.

TYT once again showing they know jack shit about communism/socialism.

This guy has no clue what libertarianism is...

Some statistics would be nice

your interpretation of libertarianism is simply wrong

@eysitk

8 жыл бұрын

your right, i was uninformed

@shanedk

8 жыл бұрын

No, it isn't. It's a complete strawman and doesn't even get the basics of libertarian thought correct.

@shanedk

8 жыл бұрын

***** No, I've been a libertarian activist for DECADES. Oh, but I must not be a "real" libertarian because I disagree with your pathetic strawman...

@shanedk

8 жыл бұрын

***** I HAVE provided them. You just don't want to see. You'll cling to your pathetic strawman because you have no response to what we REALLY say.

@et133et

8 жыл бұрын

He didn't even mention voluntaryism or the non aggression principle...you know the two things that libertarianism is founded on. Sorry Nick B but you really are generalizing incorrectly and have only met misled and misinformed people applying a label to themselves that they don't understand. You clearly haven't met any educated libertarians or you would have no way to agree with any of this video.

When "Libertarianism Debunked" is the title and a self-proclaimed opponent of Libertarians (Ayn Rand) is the thumbnail.

I lost a few brain cells after watching this, thanks.

Ahhh yes i see you study Libertarianism by watching Gary Johnson videos. Forget about Adam Smith or Milton Friedman, Libertarians get there ideas from a movie starring Matt Damon (?)

@icecreamjunkie6790

3 жыл бұрын

Who’s a liberal by the way

What a smug title for a video, you must be really arrogant to think you can dismantle an ideology in 5 minutes as "wrong".

@nustada

8 жыл бұрын

What are you talking about, this guy is smarter than all libertarians, I am sure this guy eats F.A. Hayeks guts for breakfast. /sarcasm

If Libertarianism is only for corporations and rich people, why do no large corporations, and very few rich people fund and promote libertarian candidates? Yet they love giving millions and millions to Democrats?

@TexKimball

8 жыл бұрын

If they actually do just fund the two parties for privileges, but still call themselves libertarians..... Then I don't think they're actual libertarians.

@firstandforemost87

8 жыл бұрын

+Vault Boy You seem to forget that it's 2016. A person can identify as whatever they want and who are we to question the authenticity of their claims? Who cares if they don't walk the walk, all the libertarian bandwagon jumpers 'feel' like libertarians, and that's what matters.

@TexKimball

8 жыл бұрын

"Their greed just comes first, and their political ideology second." But that's what I'm saying, if they truly were libertarians they wouldn't be doing that, solely out of moral obligation. Who cares what they call themselves, actions speak louder than words. Just like a majority of Trump's positions are big government and border-line democrat. I don't consider him a "conservative" in any way, even though he claimed to be, and many others don't. Just like if people "feel" like Socialists, even though their ideology is just recycled big-government democrat policies; even though I'm not a socialist in any way, I know that those people aren't actually socialists. But yes, I guess these days people can "identify" as whatever they want and we can't question it...

TYT strawmanning as usual.

Talks about "reality." Uses movie plots to justify position..

Man I love using fictional movies as arguments against libertarianism

@DarkMustard1337

6 жыл бұрын

libertarians polciies are from a ficticious pie in the sky mentallity so why not

@isaacdimaaksen8740

6 жыл бұрын

As I love when "libertarians" quote Ayn Rand and thinks that they've made a valid argument in a debate. Always hilarious!

Incredible how narrow and wrong your idea of libertarianism is. You really impressed me

No one takes these people seriously...right?

100% incorrect

@Kyle_Schaff

7 жыл бұрын

Randy Miller I wouldn't say 100%, but he made some terrible generalizations. He shouldn't try to explain an entire school of political and economic thought in a quick, 5 minute video. It makes him look stupid.

@arthurmorgan332

2 жыл бұрын

You: 200% triggered

I have so many questions: 1) Did he seriously just cite a Matt Damon movie as a legitimate support to his argument? 2) Does this guy actually know who Ayn Rand is? He doesn't know how to pronounce her name is clearly ignorant of her philosophy. 3) Since when has it been Young Turk's official HR practice to hire former Urban Outfitter employees as "journalists"?

@H1TMANactual

8 жыл бұрын

He's Turkish that's why he got hired.

@Howleye

8 жыл бұрын

Dude are you serious? this is TYT, there are no journalists here, just a bunch of clowns who think really highly of themselves

Libertarianism will destroy the middle class? ...Funny. I think the fed, government regulations, and printing money to allow for more spending is ruining the middle class. Inflation is a form of taxing that initially offers gains to government and large corporations while placing the costs on everyone else. Government regulations are way to stifle free markets and competition while helping large interest groups and specific companies.

@ArchYeomans

7 жыл бұрын

Libtards and NeoNazi conservatives blame libertarians for everything. BTW, prostitution is NOT a crime.

The young Turks should really get the stats from economic books. Not Elysium and other fiction movies

Libertarianism doesn't cast off the idea of a third-party arbitrator; simply put, libertarianism posits that the consumer will choose who that arbitrator is. If the consumer is able to choose it's mode of arbitration, outside of force, the consumer has the authority rather than the regulator. This guy is peddling fear and misinformation, period.

@Celrador

8 жыл бұрын

Like the American pseudo-"Libertarians" are more or less spreading misinformation by even calling themself such, despite them just advocating for a privatized state and essentially being laissez-faire extremists? _"One gratifying aspect of our rise to some prominence is that, for the first time in my memory, we, 'our side,' had captured a crucial word from the enemy... 'Libertarians'... had long been simply a polite word for left-wing anarchists, that is for anti-private property anarchists, either of the communist or syndicalist variety. But now we had taken it over..."_ - Murray Rothbard, one of the pseudo-"libertarian" apostles, in his book "The Betrayal of the American Right" Elsewhere what Americans refer to as "Libertarian" is still known as "extreme liberals".

@MrImaxx

8 жыл бұрын

I can't speak to how anyone else chooses to define libertarianism, nor am I much interested in engaging in the rampant war of semantics that polutes any such discussion. For my part, I want objectivity in legal and political discourse. I want to shrug off the idea that moral prescription will somehow advance us as a society or species. If that makes me an extremist, then I accept the moniker with enthusiasm.

@Celrador

8 жыл бұрын

***** The thing making American pseudo-"Libertarians" to extremists is that they are free market capitalist fundamentalists. And you are talking about "moral prescription", while the American pseudos are the ones who always talk about morales in order to justify their laissez-faire extremism. (Don't get me wrong... I think that morales are important in order to determine which direction we should go, but I just think that your statement was hypocritical.)

@MrImaxx

8 жыл бұрын

As I stated, I can't speak for them. I do not identify as a libertarian, left, right, or upside down. My position is that morality should have no place in our political or legal systems.

@Celrador

8 жыл бұрын

***** In this case I apologize. Maybe it's because English isn't my native language, but I didn't see you saying that you aren't identifying as "libertarian". I disagree your position about morals though. (As there are ways to rationalize even the most despicable positions.)

I don’t think this “man” knows how many libertarians are “poor”..........it’s people that value freedom more than safety who are libertarians.

@jacobklug7816

2 жыл бұрын

Indubitably

Libertarianism will win.

You need to read about Austrian economics. You have a lot of learning to do.

When you don't research libertarianism, you get this. It's like you guys just spent 30 seconds on google or something and checked out a fifth of the wiki. Please use data, not what your teacher or a movie told you.

This channel has ZERO credibility left. It's just a joke.

'That's why there are criminals' These criminals, on average, have almost nothing. That's not greed, it's survival. If you're gonna create red tape to block job creation and make laws to inhibit how people function in their daily lives, people have a massive incentive to break those rules.

two words straw man

This guy has obviously not studied the subject very deeply... He sounds like he read some democratic pamphlets on the subject and thought he could make a discourse on it. He's got anarchism confused with libertarianism which by the way is a spectrum, and not an absolute.

@Iandar1

5 жыл бұрын

James Wagoner Libertarianism and anarchism are the very same thing. Matter of fact leftists coined the term after the word anarchist became illegal to use in France.

@jameswagoner3309

5 жыл бұрын

Ian.... Libertarianism is a spectrum and not an absolute, so there are many Anarchist that join us in our Pursuit for a small government, absolute Liberty, and free and open markets.

@cheesusfarley3959

4 жыл бұрын

@@Iandar1 Libertarianism is made up of subclasses like anarcho-capitalists, minarchists, classical liberals, and anarcho-communists.

@Iandar1

4 жыл бұрын

Cheesus Farley anarcho capitalist is an oxymoron because the anarchist seeks to abolish all unjustified hierarchy and that means capitalism.

@cheesusfarley3959

4 жыл бұрын

@@Iandar1 true, but anarcho-capitalism is still an ideology, just an badly named one.

This didn’t debunk shit, it radicalized me.

@mattshelfreliance

3 жыл бұрын

😂 Great comment 😂

Libertarianism is simply the rejection of force, not blind worship of capitalism and corporations. The radical libertarians that speak on the party’s behalf do not speak for all libertarians. And yes while an economic disparity would occur in a libertarian society, that isn’t necessarily a bad thing as that is result of a society with individuals free to pursue their own passions and interests.

@robinsss

5 жыл бұрын

good post except libertarians don't reject force, they reject the initiation of force

@RyanSmith-uz9km

5 жыл бұрын

robinsss How would you define the difference?

@LesterBrunt

5 жыл бұрын

Ryan Smith If you try to kill me I am free to defend myself even if that results in your death. In that way Libertarians don’t reject force, only the initiation of it.

@RyanSmith-uz9km

5 жыл бұрын

@@LesterBrunt Libertarians wouldn’t deny your right to self preservation in a deadly situation, in which case you would have to respond to force (I see where I was wrong in this regard). But I would also mention that my murder in this example would make you no more of a libertarian than I am, which in this example I clearly wouldn’t be, as you would violate my right to life as every human being naturally has

@RyanSmith-uz9km

5 жыл бұрын

@@LesterBrunt Just because I initiated deadly force against you in this situation, which I would never really do, does not mean you need to stoop to my level and disregard my right to life the way I disregarded yours. If possible you could try to incapacitate me before taking my life

He thinks both libertarianism and communism are pie-in-the-sky ideas? Then why didn't he criticize Bernie Sanders for basically advocating Communist policies for America? Or his supporters?

@calebolsen6175

8 жыл бұрын

What are you confused about? Bernie DOES advocate socialist/commmunist policies.