Leveling the Precision Matthews TL-1660 Lathe
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In this video I'll be getting the new Precision Matthews TL-1660 lathe leveled using my precision level. I machined my own leveling feet for this machine and share the techniques I used to get the machine properly leveled to remove any twist from the bed ways.
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As a young process engineer in a corn syrup manufacturing facility in the 1970s, we were expanding our plants at warp speed and often did temporary piping as new processes were installed. I gained the nickname Mr Goodwrench because I was always taking stuff apart and putting it back together. The old guy pipefitters taught me to always use thread lubricant because our areas were wet and carbon steel bolts would rust quickly. Also we had to use it so stainless bolts wouldn't gall. If I had the value of all the clothes I ruined with nickel based anti-seize and CopperGraph we used on gaskets, I could have retired a couple of years earlier.
I got anti-seize on me just watching this lol
@chato6210
2 жыл бұрын
🤣👍
@unwired1281
2 жыл бұрын
Yup
@markchatman9583
2 жыл бұрын
I’m not even in the house and it’s already on the couch
@wjhjr1415
2 жыл бұрын
Just don't get any "never seize" on you.🤣
@es47
2 жыл бұрын
Was going to say that also
That feeling when you have always only had used stuff and finally get a new one is really something. You may have bigger and maybe better machines, even new ones, but this will always have a special spot for the rest of your life. Even if you end up hating it, you will still love it.
I've leveled robotic machines for decades like this, its a skill set and very critical for several reasons such as having a tool operate properly consistently reliably, and a finished product that depends on leveling accuracy! Few ppl really realize how important this really is.
I have never run a lathe that wasn't already WELL broken in before I used it. You are a lucky man!
I'm watching this instead of the state of the union address, this is definitely better.
I honestly can't believe the amount of people that are so concerned about pitching the lathe downhill towards the tailstock for coolant drainage, when what is required are the ways running on the same plane. The lathe could probably run in an almost vertical position and machine accurate parts, as long as the bed is in on the same plane from side to side, and no I'm not talking about being parallel, the structure takes care of that (just wanted to confirm, some of you probably don't understand what the webs in the casting are for either). If the chip tray slope bothers you that much, look the machine up and see if it specs the chip tray slope maybe that will keep you occupied for a while.
Mark the ground around the feet pads to keep a eye on any movement .
@francisschweitzer8431
2 жыл бұрын
Great point. That machine is light. I was thinking the same thing.
.002" may as well be level as far as coolant is concerned. Our machines were lined up with the rest of the world and they drained just fine.
They did a great job making sure the floor was absolutely level. I'm absolutely astounded that the floor is that level.
So amped I'm ordering a PM-1440-2SM tomorrow. Thanks for the info and the wonderful tutorials on all machining aspects.
Love it! Everything coming together so nicely. It's exciting watching you get this shop up and running right from the start.
nothing more fun than setting up a new shop. hope youre enjoying every minute of it too.
Happy to see Adam doing so well for himself. It’s not easy going out on your own in any business. Always happy to see others growing their business!
@ronsherbert5757
2 жыл бұрын
would have liked to see the level rotated 180 degrees to check that it is true.
I have a PM lathe and mill , you WON'T be disappointed! On top of quality machines, Matt's customer service is as good as it gets.
I bought a Precision Matthews about 10 years ago. Have had great results 👍
Everything you machine looks amazing. Works of art!!
Whoever did that floor , deserves favour ! That machine is beautiful ! Happy lathing Adam .
It’s exciting to see a new machine
Neverseize - the gift that keeps on givin
I remember my summer as a machine builder (college kid, first 'responsible' job in an industrial setting (building drive shafts for DANA doesn't count here)). We had huge bases for a big machining line that was being built. 16'~20' long, 4' ~ 6' wide. Each base had 8 to 12 leveling screws (2-1/2" screws). It came time to finally level those things (30 or 40 of them), and they brought out the laser instead of the levels. I chased that damn beep an entire day trying to get that think level. It ended up taking a solid week to get all of them done and I only did one of them, the "experienced" guys took over and it STILL took them 1/2 day per base working in teams. Still one of the best "college" jobs I ever had. I got introduced to the Bridgeport, surface grinder, lathe, drill sharpening, indicating, surface plate work (basic), and a few other things. I loved it, and looking back at my life 30+ years later? Probably should have stuck with it...it was enjoyable.
@francisschweitzer8431
2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like major deal even with lasers…. Can you imagine if all you had were bubble levels
@WreckDiver99
2 жыл бұрын
@@francisschweitzer8431 I can't...just can't. It was brutal with the lasers because they were so sensitive and beeped like crazy. You'd move ONE screw just a fraction of a degree and BEEEP....move to the next corner...BEEP...move back "nothing". Also due to the size of the bases you had flex in the middle of the base, so you were adjusting constantly. What really should have been done is use a couple of sensors, find the low spot, high spot, and move from there. I think they finally did that near the end, kind of how you would do grade stakes for building and such.
Six years ago I wanted to drill a hole in hardened steel and no friend had time to do it immediately , normal I let them do my metal work cause I thought I'm not good at it. So I tried, but it didn't work 😭 I picked up my phone and looked at KZread for an explanation....this must have been the moment the metal virus got me...what I always thought that it's a boring thing was a whole new world for me ( at age 44 ) it was very interesting and mind blowing...two weeks later my first brand new lathe came 😂 and another week later my first mill 😂 which were replaced after a year to bigger ones ( lathe 350kg mill about the same) and despite being a hobbyist ( studied law ) I have a hobby workshop for about 60K all bought the last years🤪🤪🤪 and divided into two rooms to keep the grinding dust away from the other machines and tools 😇 and its the responsibility of guys like Adam why the metal work theme was so fascinating that i spend every free minute in the workshop . Also I was becoming the star for my friends and neighbors because if they need a repair I'm glad to do it immediately for them never taking a cent even not for the material.😁😁 I know but I do it with such pleasure I don't want to take money for it and the number of people who come to me is increasing ever since 🤣🤣🤣 When I don't repair things I have two houses which there's always metal work to do or just copy nice projects from KZread.Since I converted my mill with four Nema34 12.5Nm Motors to CNC the fourth axis a turning axis i made myself out if steele and in near future I make the 5th also the possibilities have increased cause I can't mill the complex forms the computer can do but by using the wireless Handwheel I can use it like normal only with more precision...🤪 So thank you Adam you cost me a bunch of bucks but gave me the best hobby I can think of 😁😂😂
@camillosteuss
2 жыл бұрын
I discovered machinery of this sort around 15 years ago, and since then studied it from manuals and books and online from joe, stefan, adam, robin and so on... Last year i got a Schaublin 22, Schaerer UN450, Emco FB2, a yugoslavian baby lathe, a Deckel S1 t&cg and a few other tidbits... An extensive list of tooling and measurement devices aswell... Now i am setting up my shop, and like you, plan on two rooms for grinders and the dust crew as none of that grime is ever gonna see my machines, but the feeling of running a 3 ton lathe, or a factory new Schau22 is just amazing... The baby machines are there for parts that would be an insult to the large machines, as you dont turn a 1 inch bushing on a 3 ton lathe... Nor do you drill a few tiny holes on a 1 ton mill when the emco will bust their ass with joy... Heck, the only reason i got the machines are guys like adam, tony and the rest... Seeing them work was such a pleasure i knew it could only be even better not just lustfully watching the work being done, and so it is... But fucking hell do you need a load of cash to get all the tools and precision devices after the initial cost of the machines... I think i have seen your ass on robrenzes channel wolfie, or was it suburban tools? likely the latter, and i am glad to see this comment from you, its a great joy seeing someone else discover the loveliness of machinery as such... They truly are a darlings to be loved, and as you said, they do make you much more liked, as peasants who scrounge for a screw and overpay junk run to you in heaps with pleading eyes as soon as the word gets out that there be a machine enthusiast with proper machines and if not official, good learned knowledge, gotten through much more interest in the subject than many who finished proper schooling have, as most in schools are there out of necessity, whereas we fell in love and spend every moment either watching or reading about the art of it, or now even engage in it :) All the best and warmest regards!
@wolfitirol8347
2 жыл бұрын
@@camillosteuss thanx for the nice answer..yes unbelievable how much you can spend on tooling and measurement equipment on the other hand I bought a few good cars ( jaguar,BMW,mercedes etc ) and today even often after a few year's there's nothing left from that much more money but the tooling and workshop I have for the rest of my life if I look propperly after it .,.and if I stand at a lathe I forget everything around me it's one of the best feelings I know ...and if you don't forget the problems around you your friends have fun and can call you nine finger Camillo 😂😂...that's a win-win 😇👍
Something changed in the last few videos, the picture quality has dramatically improved. Seems the audio has improved as well.
Great stuff, never knew levelling is that important. Congrats on your new machine, happy turning!
Wow so cool to see you bringing your new shoo online and your first brand new lathe is im sure a real moment in time for your career.
Exciting stuff, looks like a great edition to the new shop
Great job Adam, will be glad when you show using it and breaking it in. Thanks for sharing. Fred.
We are enjoying this with you; you have earned it!
YES! An Abom production again.
Wouldn't the drainage of the chip tray be built in at the design level? What I mean is, if they suggest using the top of the cross slide to level the machine then maybe the chip tray is already built with the desired drainage angle if the machine is levelled correctly at the cross slide. I'd have thought that if they are making a precision machine to create precision parts then they wouldn't expect an end user to apply guesswork to add drainage angles for coolant. Just a thought 😉
@johansamzelius2503
2 жыл бұрын
Just what I thought too 😏
@elischultes6587
2 жыл бұрын
I was hoping so
@robertbutler8004
2 жыл бұрын
Galerak agreed it would be like a bathtub you set the bathtub into the wall and have both the length and the width level and the tub would be manufactured to drain to the plug and this lathe would be the same.
Thanks Adam! I’m about to tackle this process on an 1950s Bradford Metalmaster that I’m in the process of reviving. Good, straight forward procedure to follow. Thanks again!
This machine... I think i'm in love... I just can't get over it. This thing is SO DANG LOVELY.
They make a expoy you can run around your leveling pads to hold them in place. You just pout it around them and let it dry. We used it to set Cincinnati machines years ago
Excellent work Adam really nice to see the different ways of leveling u can do nicely explained.
Thanks for sharing. I learn so much from. You have a lot knowledge to share with us. I am loving your new shop and have shop envy. lol
Love the channel , I miss engineering and Toolmaking CNC , sheet metal work and welding . My apprenticeship was 5 years and we learned to everything
Amazing looking machine! Thanks for the detailed instruction.
I really enjoyed the first few minutes of the video, watching the pads get faced and chamfered. Just hearing the machine running was neat, like ASMR (Abom Swift Metal Removal).
Slick machine, you’ll be happy with it for sure
I´m so jelous of you right now. It´s always awesome to have a brand new machine and be the first one using it. Great content as always Adam :)
THE MAN!!!!! your most definitely an inspiration.
Loving the new lathe can't wait to see it cut.
Years ago a work acquaintance gave me a piece of gymnastics foam to save my knees at work and it lasted me for years. It was durable and washable, and didn't break down like foam rubber pads do. It only needed replaced because I got roofing tar on it, and it took me a while to track down what type it was. As it turns out, toolbox makers sell it with a fancy name -- "Kaizen foam".
@kaine2416
2 жыл бұрын
I have a cheap rolled up yoga mat that has saved my knees over the years. Took me about 2 years of regularly using it to wear it out and it only cost me $5 to replace. Even saved my back a few times rolling it out to work underneath my friend's car in gravel. 100% worth it!
@ItsMrAssholeToYou
2 жыл бұрын
Useful info. Thanks.
I love this channel , you're living the life I can only dream of.
Always enjoyable to watch a master at work!
@chato6210
2 жыл бұрын
You might want to wipe your nose after saying all that.....and afterwards pass me a tissue because I agree with you it is pretty cool 🤣🤣🤣🤣👍
@millomweb
2 жыл бұрын
Oh, where were you looking ? ;)
thanks for sharing! sweet! new lathe so far. i can almost smell it.
What a beautiful machine, Ive had the PM 1640TL on my wish list for a couple of years. One day.
Good evening from central Florida! Hope everyone has a great night!
Hi Adam, Amazing job on the levelling and nice to see one go so smoothly. Best of luck with the grease removal an oil change etc; I'm looking forward to seeing the first accuracy tests!.
Nice going, look forward to seeing it in action.
Congrats on the new lathe. May your ground be stable.
love the sensitivity of the masters level
Perfect timing Adam! I just got a 12 x 36 PM lathe. This tutorial ids just what the doctor ordered. Thanks!
@millomweb
2 жыл бұрын
Oh dear ! Please follow the instructions in the manual !
From Newzealand 🇳🇿🇳🇿🇮🇳🇮🇳What a Beautiful Explanation Bro We Love It✌
A salute to your concrete guys, they gave you a true and level shop floor, about the best you could ask for.
Very cool methods...might want to check level again in 30 or 90 days since the concrete is fresh. Those leveling blocks you made Adam are perfect because tall operators will benefit from them.
Can't wait to see it running and making some chips as well as the pacemaker. Good interesting video as always.
Awesome video. I’ll be putting this advice into action soon.
Always love seein' that photo at the end of your videos. Gives me inspiration, something to strive for with my son. Your videos always edify. Looking forward to the next one. Be well.
Ah wonderful! Another great video from an awesome chip maker!
I find it so satisfying to watch chips fly. I am not a machinist but I do have some high school experience playing around with the lathe. I have an ME degree and enjoy what I do but there is nothing like watching chips fly.
Beautiful machine my friend.
Well done! Have fun with your new toy! Greetings from Dresden (Germany)!
That was fun! Thanks for showing it! Glad it went well. Seems like your measurements are even more precise than all the little gotcha's that will creep in over time!
Looks like an awesome lathe can’t wait to se it cut also
Sweet! Awesome machine!
That is one beautiful piece of machinery. I bet you will find it to function exactly as good (or better) than it looks.
Hi Abomb, congrats on your new lathe pretty exiting i can imagine.love the content you have. wish you continued progress, old school machining is were its at. im a cnc guy but i never forget the roots of the trade. it always translates nicely to modern tech thanks for your vids.
Me thinks leveling is not important. Lathes are used on boats of all kinds. What is important is to take out the tweak, the twist, the lack of symmetry. A simple way to achieve this is via leveling. Yes, there are jobs where one want to use a level for initial holding of the part. But this is just an opinion, and those I have plenty of. I like this new wave of episodes. You seem to having recovered your aim. Great!
Great information about how to level the lathe. That machine looks well made. I hope it is a good powerful and accurate machine because I like seeing you make some big cuts sometimes lol. Enjoyed the episode and the information. Keep em coming.
@millomweb
2 жыл бұрын
He's got other lathes to hammer with big cuts - he should use this lathe as little as possible to preserve its accuracy. As someone said in a previous episode - he should fit an hour meter to the motor wiring to record how much the machine is used - to plan a maintenance schedule. Had the bed not been somewhat prelubed, he'll have put a year's worth of wear on the bed already. He's talking of cleaning all the protective gunge off it. I'd have squirted oil all over it first.
So satisfying watching this 👍
Almost forgot. You're quality of this video is the best I have ever seen. The sound was also very good. I don't know if you changed your equipment or not but the quality was very noticeable. Good show.
Looking good, nice job
Nice lathe, great video!
LOOKING GOOD ADAM.
Thanks for making the text huge on the screen. I watch on my phone most of the time and the text easy to read on a computer screen really is hard for the aging eyes to see on a phone! Love the new metal to money converter!
More great content Adam. I am well familiar, as I am sure you are, and many viewers are, with backlash in older machines. Could you show us just how much backlash there is in your wonderful new machine in its "as new" condition in a video some time? I think it would be fascinating to see/compare , especially with your older machines, just how much backlash there is. We are all spoiled with DRO units. The old guys had to deal with backlash and dials to hit the numbers. Hats off to them. It would also be great to see you align head and tail stocks, do some test cuts on the new machine, your professional and methodical approach would make it fascinating.
That must be a very well built machine for the leveling process to have gone so smoothly.
Thanks for sharing that. That was a very good video to be watching. Learned a lot from it.
Adam you need to TRAM your toolbox mat, it's not flat enough. LUL great video man, appreciate all the info you provide to the community with every video, always something to learn mate.
Very interesting Adam 🤩🏴
Looking good 👍 excited to see how it performs power vise and accuracy 👍😊 Best regards
Nice job
I love your attention to detail, in everything that you do. Paul
awesome, I go by you 4 times a day thats me beeping the horn
If I ever would want a sponsor for anything, it would be CRC 👌
I agree with your decision on the new lathe and on your assessment of Taiwan machines. I'm a 50 year machinist and toolmaker.
Nice machine. Iam a bit envious. 😁
"I know that would be the proper way to use this but..." hahahahahahaha!!! I could not have related to you on that more! I work on cars and use that stuff often and I'm here to say it's a love hate relationship. I swear I've noticed a spot of that on my face in the morning 3 days after I've used it but it has also saved me so much time when maintaining things I've already worked on. Good show sir, I really enjoy your attention to detail, thanks for sharing.
Very interesting Adam.
such a beauty
Amazing machine
Got a 2' by 6" by 2" thick rubber from work that was left over from insulating a couple of 1750 HP Chillers. Great to lay on agent working in washing machine dryer or furnance. Can remember kneeling on steel diamond plate while an apprentice. Would never do that now a days. Good luck with the new shop.
Thanks for sharing
That is a beauty- so jealous!
I was using those type of knee foams. now I just put on some knee pads that are gel filled love them!
Nice real nice,it's a keeper.
Man, that's exciting! I bet it feels like forever waiting on the electrician. Hope to get a mill and lathe from PM someday...
Thanks Adam, my PM-1440GT just arrived today! I made my leveling pads out of aluminum.
@llthpofh
2 жыл бұрын
hmm i dont a bout that you really want steel for them and not aluminum im like adam i use steel and i been moving and setting up machines for years
@johnferguson2728
2 жыл бұрын
Aluminum has been just fine on my 4000 pound Monarch, they should be okay on this 1500 pound lathe. I shouldn’t have to worry about corrosion either.
I liked that smile on your face at the end.