it's wild how the trailers had everyone excited to kill thor and then the actual game made everyone want to take down Odin for killing Thor

@sumairshirazi

Жыл бұрын

considering how odin is basically treating thor I don't blame them wanting to kill odin. dude killed his own son for disobeying him.

@ishmaelpierson7681

Жыл бұрын

@@sumairshirazi didn't kill him atreus did that but he did beat modi badly

@sumairshirazi

Жыл бұрын

@@ishmaelpierson7681 I am not saying he didn't

@rockyroads8802

Жыл бұрын

@@ishmaelpierson7681 I think Thor was drunk when he Beat Modi. Hence why he is trying to get off of alcohol in Ragnarok. The guilt he has for being partly responsible for Modi's death likely pushed him over the edge and made him want to go sober.

@ededdandeddytv5164

Жыл бұрын

@@sumairshiraziOh is that what he was referring to? Thanks for enlightening us, we never would’ve understood it without you 👍🏽

That 'No.' from Thor sealed his fate. Odin knew he'd never win against Thor while he is in full strength, so he struck him when he was weakened. What a great antagonist!

@leonel392

Жыл бұрын

Nah, Odin was stronger

@Classified_rA9

Жыл бұрын

Odin was confirmed multiple times to be the strongest aesir god numerous times by feats, lore, statements, dev statements, actual mythology, the boss itself, numerous other things. His whole gimmick is deception, while being a seemingly frail old man hes the strongest being in god of war ragnarok (aside from kratos and maybe ragnarok ofc)

@angelwilliams8965

Жыл бұрын

Odin is still stronger than Thor.

@aaro_koivisto25

Жыл бұрын

Odin would wipe the floor with Thor with both of his eyes gone

@Emiichoco

Жыл бұрын

Odin is stronger than Thor

I think the main part where things changed was when Kratos decided not to attack through the midgardians. He asked freya and Freyr to hold off ragnarok and they’ll find another way through. That was when Kratos chose “being better” as the correct option. Which goes with what the Norns said; that was kratos choosing the path they didn’t predict

@richymancebo8014

Жыл бұрын

Also in that same scene he told atreus to open his heart to the suffering and pain of others that he was wrong for telling him to close his heart implying that kratos also opened his heart. I believe that was one of the reasons he was able to change his destiny.

@noahbusch7542

Жыл бұрын

I think it’s him convincing Thor to be better and Thor wanting to change but that’s just me.

@xmant8842

Жыл бұрын

I think so too. At first, I'd probably think it was when they made ragnarok differently but amgrboda said herself that small things can change in prophecy but will still have the same same result in the end. In this case, that would be ragnarok still being formed. But the moment kratos truly decided he wouldn't be who he was and basically decided to let atreus take the lead for what they do, that's when he truly went against what the norns said he was

@josephfigues4202

Жыл бұрын

@@noahbusch7542 that is one too. The Prophecy states that Thor WILL kill Kratos, but with enough prodding from Kratos Loki, and Mimir and Thor's decision to change, changed destiny.

@noahbusch7542

Жыл бұрын

@@josephfigues4202 Also? The prophecy was Thor would kill him. Kratos probably changed it by convincing Thor to be better then before, something the giants who hate Thor probably didn’t predict. But it’s just my two cents.

Odin kills Thor in front of everyone* Odin: Thrud...this is all their fault...they've done this to us...to our family... Kratos and Atreus : 😶

@johnsantos507

Жыл бұрын

Oh sure, Odin. Lied to Thrúd that it was Kratos and Atreus that your son Thor. She saw her own eyes. You killed your own flesh and blood.

10:35 you're reading the character wrong. Odin is smart, he's calculating, he uses disguises and subterfuge, yes, but he isn't a dispassionate spymaster. he's a cunning cult leader type. his whole character is all about being in control (like when he screams "I'M IN CONTROL HERE" during the big twist). he's constantly shifting blame, playing on people's best intentions, manipulating and lying to get what he wants. he could never place blind faith into anyone or anything the way kratos learns to put blind faith in his son and his allies. he wants total control. that's why, anytime someone starts to peel away the facade and chip away at his sense of control, like Thor does in this moment, Odin goes apeshit and butchers them.

@crashwithkirby6708

Жыл бұрын

He acts like an animal, wounded and backed into a corner. As Kratos said earlier, he’s had lifetimes to prepare for this… and yet, it’s still coming for him anyways. It’s unravelling right before him, so he starts unravelling in reaction.

@sean.a.s7234

Жыл бұрын

He treats Thor like a tool, an instrument. And when that tool starts to become something more, or *broken* in his words. He disposes him. As he says in his first appearance. Baldur was his best *tracker* , his best *closer* . Bastard doesn't even make an effort to call him son

@johncra8982

Жыл бұрын

@@sean.a.s7234 yup. Baldr "had value", while Thor's sons were "useless" to the point where their own sister has been convinced that it's better that they're dead. everyone is good as long as they're behaving the way heimdall does, eager to find an audience with Odin, to get some of his attention and time, to impress him. but the moment they break free of his control, his illusions, and his lies, he kills them.

@catharticreverie

Жыл бұрын

yup, the Jotun denied Odin when they saw through his trickery to steal their magic and secrets, and banished him from their realm during their peace summit with the real Tyr. In vengeance for defying him, Odin commanded Thor to kill every Jotun in Midgard for not bowing down to him

@johncra8982

Жыл бұрын

@@catharticreverie exactly, probably the most significant example of his true nature revealing itself

This may be a stretch, but I think when Brok confronts Tyr is when the timeline changes. The fates know the path of living beings but Brok was only partially pieced back together when Sindri saved him. So this might possibly put him outside the scope of the fates. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

@carlacooper9507

Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure it was when thor revived kratos, it broke the prophecy

@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx

Жыл бұрын

@@carlacooper9507 Thor doesn't have a clear motivation of why he has to kill Kratos that time so he just played around. When the time came for Thor to kill Kratos during Ragnarok, his resolve to kill was faltered because of his change of heart.

@Tw15tedMynd

Жыл бұрын

At the end of the game, it's revealed that while Faye did forsee the entire journey of the first game and it's shown again in this game. She broke the last tile so that they won't always live within prophecy. And so they will literally make their own path.

@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx

Жыл бұрын

@@Tw15tedMynd Angrboda was quite confused as to why Atreus keeps denying the prophecy that's already set in stone. But when he proved her wrong, she was probably stand corrected after that.

@emorynguyen1583

Жыл бұрын

@@carlacooper9507 Thor “killing” Kratos could’ve been that moment. Like Atreus says when Mimir asks “is this the past or future?” it depends when u look at it. We know that the prophecies are vague but always end up unfolding in ways unexpected, example Baldur, Atreus “serving “ Odin, it’s also worth mentioning the mural we saw at the end of GOW 2018 had Kratos dead in Atreus’ arms and the mural with dead Kratos and Thor was a different mural meaning this is a separate occasion

I’ve seen no one has pointed it out yet, but I like how they have Thor turn his head away from Odin, as a kind of way of showing that Thor is defying his father and not listening to him anymore, that he has no control over him anymore

@TheWarchiefZekeJaeger

Жыл бұрын

I don't think it's a defying act, but more of a reaction to painful events, like when Odin calls his sons "useless" and he looks away, or how Thrúd points out his broken promisse and he looks away.

@VidiaReePhoenix

10 ай бұрын

@@TheWarchiefZekeJaeger Yeah. I was under the impression it was due to him being hurt and even disgusted by Odin. His father had emotionally abused him for thousands of years and now had given him a mortal wound. Yet, Odin continued to lie and say, "It's not my fault! YOU made me do this" at which point Thor looks away. It seems like Thor couldn't even bring himself to look in his abuser's face who was still lying, up until his final moment.

My interpretation, and I think a very common one is that Odin lost control of the narrative. Things aren't going his way anymore so he just starts panicking.

@yochior

Жыл бұрын

the worse thing for manipulator

@oentrepreneur

11 күн бұрын

​@yochior yh but he isn't pure evil in the mythology

@Dragonspeak30

11 күн бұрын

@@oentrepreneur I'd say that's a matter of perspective.

Nobody is talking about how Odin just picked up Mjolnir. That hammer may not have some worthiness enchantment on it, but it is insanely heavy. To the point that Thor needs a belt that increases his strength ten fold to pick it up. And Odin just hurled it at his granddaughter with ease. And yes, I realize that Thrud picks it up too, but she's Thor's daughter. At least one of his kids was stronger than him as a toddler, lifting a massive giant off him.

@animator049

Жыл бұрын

Not this hammer

@Bluesit32

Жыл бұрын

@@animator049 Kratos couldn't lift it.

@angelwilliams8965

Жыл бұрын

He's the All-Father bro.

@Koraki0000

Жыл бұрын

I think it does have an enchantment, but it might only be linked to Thor's bloodline

@jessemaleh8145

Жыл бұрын

Odin is the one who enchanted the hammer in the first place so it stands to reason he’d be able to wield it as well.

Odin: *kills Thor Also Odin: Why did you make me do that?!!!

@liddolwiddol

Жыл бұрын

That's Abuse 101.

@witherverse1351

5 ай бұрын

You're fighting so you can watch everyone around you die!

I think likely when the Mask was fully formed Odin got way too excited that he was close to his dream, Brok's rant must have caught him off guard and Ragnarok possibly ending his dream made him desperate, so he didn't care about anything at that point, him being calm was a facade afterall

Yea this was a gutpunch man. You could tell that Thor wanted to run things around.

Theres an official explanation why did fate changed. İf ı remember right when kratos said "open your heart" to atreus, kratos changed his teachings to atreus, since norms said "theres no script, you are sum of you choices and your choices never change..." the fate changed at that moment. (İf ı remember corretly. Correct me if you want)

@JBgolden

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the director said this in one of the big post game interviews where he laid stuff ouut.

@narutony1916

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, by choosing empathy and love for other people, he effectively saved himself. My thought is that had they let Ragnarok come unimpeded, hed have been why Thor was able to kill Kratos (since it seems clear to me that Kratos is for sure stronger instead of rivals)

@mattfoley1718

Жыл бұрын

Does it not also have some to do with the prophecy been followed was in fact a lie? And the prophecy that faye made was the prophecy that came to be, ie Kratos been the real champion which he found at the very end when Atreus left and he saw the prophecy behind the one they saw. Cos faye made the other prophecy which followed everything that happened in the first game so it would make sense she predicted the next for Kratos

@adamtheriault6743

Жыл бұрын

@@mattfoley1718 prophecies are shifty by nature, that's why some fall into them while trying to avoid them Plus, prophecies seem to focus on the macro rather than the micro, the events rather than the why of the events In a way, the prophecy does go as intended situation wise, it's just the specific people in the situation that changes, based on the choices made by those people

@robertguerra1310

Жыл бұрын

🤝

I think it was when Surtur cheats fate. The prophecy says that the two of them would fall in love, and that Primordial Ice and Primordial Fire, embodied by two beings, would combine to create Ragnarock. Since Surter had his lovers Heart, he was able to embody primordial Ice once his Fire left him, which he put not the blades to be the second conduit. Then they combined, aka the stabbing, and Primordial Fire and Ice combined into one body, aka Ragnarock. He followed fate just enough to change it. And the two beings that did it are Kratos who came to the land and found love, and the love Surtur has for Sinmara. It was love, expressed by Kratos with Faye, who he picked back up his Blades for HER to spread her ashes. And by Surtur, who refused to involve Sinmara. Love beat Fate.

@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx

Жыл бұрын

And also Love for all made Kratos convince Atreus to never close his heart to the other people's suffering which changed their fates forever.

As the norns said, fate isn't actually a thing, people's choices are just predictable, but the moment when kratos said he was wrong when they were trying to break through the wall of asgard, was surely a moment that wasn't expected, or atleast when he spared thor, those choices kratos made, were different, he spared a god that was nothing to him but an enemy

i loved how easily odin picked up mjolnir really goes to show how insanely strong he is compared to thor and the other gods

@purevessel4506

Жыл бұрын

He's not stronger than Thor physically. Yes he picked up the hammer and swung it but his swing couldn't even kill Thrud. Thor's swings could kill Kratos. Yes Kratos was holding back. Holding back Kratos is still massively above Thrud. In his fight with Kratos Odin relied on magic to fight him. Every time Kratos got him in a hold he was pretty fucked without magic. Meanwhile Thor and Baldur were somewhat able to match Kratos physically and they relied on their physicality to fight him. I think even Magni is physically stronger than Odin considering he was able to lift Hgunir's corpse off of Thor as a toddler while Odin could not

@user-zw7qe1ex3c

Жыл бұрын

you guys know that the strong enough to lift it is marvel bs, its not in the norse mythology

@sigurd_7613

Жыл бұрын

@@user-zw7qe1ex3c no it's reverse, the worthy is marvel bullshit while the Mjølnir from actual mythology is just extremely heavy

@mattmysterious866

Жыл бұрын

@@purevessel4506 he is stronger than thor

@havitheone9587

Жыл бұрын

@@sigurd_7613 I'd like to add that Thor in mythology has to have a special made belt and gauntlets to use the hammer which is, as you said, way different than what marvel has

What people seem to not realize is that in the prophecy in the wall. it is depicted kratos die into Thor, then atreus following odin and then he following 3 wolves which we can assume it's ironwood. so the order of things are completely fucked up because kratos didn't die the 1st fight against Thor

@omnimon2230

Жыл бұрын

So when Thor revived him after killing him, that was the turning point.

@swordsunknown5226

Жыл бұрын

@@omnimon2230holy shit

@rockycuro7737

Жыл бұрын

@@omnimon2230 that makes the most sense

@adamtheriault6743

Жыл бұрын

But the murals aren't necessarily arranged like that, Faye's funeral pyre was shown at the end of the 2018 events, after the events of 2018 had taken place, and it doesn't account for atreus being there or doing the soul thing with kratoss body I think it's more so the situation was the same, but the key characters involved were changed based on their actions, instead of cradling kratos as he died, atreus cradled Odin, with kratos standing over them instead of Thor

@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx

Жыл бұрын

@@adamtheriault6743 Odin didn't change himself. He refused to change so the prophecy was turned against him as the result. It is said that some people has a chance to die during Ragnarok and it is not said that anyone who is prophecized to live through it are immortal. And also, the fact that Odin still went through everything despite all the warnings he received after he impersonated Tyr for half the game, he still did it.

Here’s a list of reasons that Krato’s fate has changed to shed some light Faye’s love- before she meet Kratos, she knew that her destiny was to set him on the right path but over time fell in love with him, so she taught him compassion and she destroyed the future wall at Jotunheim and found a new prediction for him Surtr and Sammara- they were supposed to join together but their love gave them an alternative path, now Sammara is in Niflheim crying for loss Kratos telling Atreus to open his heart (The MAIN reason)- Kratos became ‘better’ because of Faye by telling Atreus to open his heart, and when he face Thor he told him ‘we must be better’, altering his fate with Thor and Odin dying in his place. Also sense Atreus’s father is not dead he had no reason to join Odin at the end, even if it means losing the answers to his questions

Kratos saw how sutr changed his loves fate, but I think it was because of his Faye dream that made him truly change for his son. But in the first game Mimir mentioned how Kratos and Atreus managed to make Ragnarok come early, so that is when I believe things started to change.

I believe that in the end the prophecy marks a "general line" of events. No matter who dies or when, Ragnarok was going to happen one way or another.

@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx

Жыл бұрын

I think the prophecy itself is just a whole "Class Diagram" of sorts that only Norn Sisters know of. The Norns told us that there is "no grand design" and our choices only defines our fates. And since some people's choices never change, their fates will proceed depending on the choices they have made, vice versa.

As heartbreaking as the scene is, Odin just casually yeeting Thrud out of the game cracks me the fuck up lmao

Odin really is a master Is manipulator, he's so good at it he gaslights Thor as he's killing him! Great villain!

I think that the reason things changed was when Atreus saw the prophecy of Kratos dying and him joining Odin. The first game played out exactly as it was foretold in the prophecy because they weren’t able to see it until after everything had already happened. If Atreus didn’t see the prophecy before the event happened, it would have played out just as the prophecy foretold. However because he saw what would have happened in the future before it did, his decisions were there on based on how he could prevent it. We may know the decisions that he made in the game but the decisions he could have made if he didn’t learn about the prophecy could have been entirely different with him eventually turning on Kratos and him joining Odin.

@robertguerra1310

Жыл бұрын

Kratos mentioned that people in his homeland, in a desperate attempt to avoid their destiny, end up fulfilling it. So Atreus’s foresight of his and Kratos’s prophecy doomed him in a way. I think the real hand of fate, as the Norns described, is that a person is the sum of their choices. Thus, their unwillingness to fundamentally change renders them unable to change their fate. Had Kratos still tried to force his unyielding teachings unto Atreus, their relationship would have become distant and would have likely fulfilled the prophecy. But since Kratos changed in order to let Atreus grow into his own person, he changed his destiny. Prophecies don’t dictate you’re destiny, however they are a good estimate of what will happen if you are set in your ways.

@tenjenk

Жыл бұрын

The main thing that broke the prophecy is as the Norn said. Prophecy is just people behaving predictably and making predictable choices based on their personalities, therefore unable to change it because they're unable to change themselves. The prophecy started to come apart because Faye, Kratos and Atreus all fought "to be better". Faye rebelled against her people's intentions for her family and sowed the seeds enabling them to break the prophecy, Kratos grew past his fatalism and cold violent approach, wishing to live instead and advising his son not to close his heart anymore, and Atreus let go of his arrogance and hesitation to do what is necessary even if it meant violence while also embracing his compassion. They stopped acting along the lines of their previous selves.

this also kind of demonstrates how much more powerful the greek gods were than the norse. when any of THEM died, even lesser gods like hermes, the consequences were cataclysmic for all of greece, but here thor, one of the most powerful and primordial of the aesir, just kind of fades away.

@ByrgenworthGraduate

Жыл бұрын

Ehh kinda disagree I thought it was the weapon that made him fade away not to mention ragnarok is literally happening around the area so And even than I would argue Thor would beat the shit out of most of the Greek gods except for the REALLY powerful once Yet again that's just my opinion

@bengie2015

Жыл бұрын

Greece had more powerful gods but Thor is around Ares level and Odin would beat Zeus due to his intelligence. Overall Greek>Norse by a hair

@gageunruh3574

Жыл бұрын

Cory barlog said that baldur was the strongest god kratos fought soooooo

@Koraki0000

Жыл бұрын

I think it's because somehow, the greek gods had more conection to the primal origins of magic. As stated by Mimir, Greek Gods had all kinds of magic, and that somehow was surprising for him. So what I think happens is, the Greek Gods become one with the concept they are inbounded, like how Ares is the God of War, or how Poseidon is the God of the Sea, so they ARE those things, unlike the Norse gods who are extremely proficient with the concept that they represent, rather than being that thing itself. So the consequences for Greek gods dying is way more dangerous than a Norse god

@axrye800

Жыл бұрын

Hmm. I wonder what could have possibly triggered Fimbulwinter, which leads to Ragnarok. Surely, not the demise of a Norse god.

“Oh fuck” is the best u could get out of critikal

@STAR_GUARDIAN_V

Жыл бұрын

I wished they stopped using him for reactions. He's trash.

@GhostlyPhonk

Жыл бұрын

@@STAR_GUARDIAN_V xqc too, these "mainstream" streamers are so burnt out on everything not even god of war can hype them

@SLIVER-MACE

Жыл бұрын

@@GhostlyPhonk they have no reactions

@GhostlyPhonk

Жыл бұрын

@@SLIVER-MACE Thanks for simplifying what I said

@kirbo4111

Жыл бұрын

@@GhostlyPhonkit’s not even that critikal just doesn’t emote much in general

This cutscene had me audibly screaming “NO!!!”

The prophecy changed when Kratos told Atreus that he should be himself, to not close his heart. By choosing this different path, of mercy and justice instead of selfish revenge he didn't try to kill Thor. Because of that it changed Thor as well instead of him killing Kratos.

Idk why but i really love odin in this game, is just pure evil and all and he doesn't need to look badass to be strong, so it's maybe because of that

I’m not sure how often someone says it but thank you for these reaction videos. KZread is like cable TV for me pretty much, it’s all I watch anymore besides Twitch. These videos introduce me to KZreadrs I haven’t heard of before or brings back the ones I haven’t seen in forever. Genuinely appreciate what you do!

The prophecy is really interesting because its following what they saw just some different pieces are taking the spots like Kratos Killing Thor or well fighting Thor but for odin to kill em and that's like when odin gets defeated he takes kratos position for the final mural and same with surtr joining with his wife he technically did just a different piece

@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx

Жыл бұрын

I think Kratos surviving gave Surtr another option of becoming Ragnarok. Because in the original myth, Kratos never existed and Surtr has to combine with Sinmara because there is no other way to exact their vengeance on Asgard.

Moistcr1tical seriously needs his 8 hours of sleep every day.

3:34 I think it happened when Kratos made the choice to admit to his mistake at saying to sacrifice everything for victory and telling his son to open his heart to the others pain and suffering.

I feel bad for Thor at first I wanted to kill him before he killed Kratos but he was redeemed just to instantly die 😭

Prophecy line went into a new path when Kratos told Boi at Ragnarok to open his heart to everyone's suffering.

There's a number of factors that diverged the timeline from the prophecy but one thing I know for sure is that Surtr's and Sinmara's love is definitely one of them.

Crazy how zeus and odin are so alike, both are the leaders of their own pantheon and both die from the fear of a prophecy they couldn’t control

I think Odin’s behavior makes total sense. His whole thing is finding a way to cheat death, this is the same for odin in mythology. This version at least is driven by a need for control and a fear of his own mortality because that is something he doesn’t have control over. He is incredibly clever and he can play the long game or do whatever he needs to do including being “calm and reasonable” 😆, but by Ragnarok there is no long game. There is no strategy to be had here because everything he is afraid of is literally on his door step. So all he can do is act and force his own goals ahead, and sometimes he makes calculated mistakes as people do. In my opinion Odin is a symbol of human faults, which is ironic since he is meant to be the great and powerful All-father. I think that’s why he outed himself as Tyr and why he killed his own son. He saw his end coming closer and closer and he felt himself losing control so he lashed out in fear.

"As soon as Ragnarök starts everything seems to kind of unravel and I don't really know why." I mean, it was said that when this even happens, this is when he is supposed to die. When you've been afraid of death for so long, and you finally see it coming your way in the form of a fiery monster ready to rip you apart, I think I would start losing some of my composure as well. He's been doing everything he could to avoid Ragnarök for as long as he could remember, and now he is staring at his failures in full swing, his death looming over him, how could he not lose his composure. When he was still Tyr, when he was spying on everyone, the end wasn't looming, he still had time, he could still make the right choice (potentially) to avoid the inevitable. Now that it's here, he has no time, no choice, and no life left. In my opinion at least.

The fate changed because of faye. She did all of it to protect them and let them create their own path. The mastermind was faye all along. This info is given to you at the last cutscene where Atreus says goodbye to Kratos.

I just realized that the cutscenes show the amount of blood on Thor's body differ fron each experience, depending on how bloody your match with him was. This game is something else.

Everyone: screaming and being mad that Thor gets killed Charlie: Oh fuck

Eddie: “ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?” Marz: “What? Are you serious?” Charlie: “oh, fuck.”

3:40 My guess is that the giants prophecy went awry right when kratos told Atreus to care about the hostage humans in Asgard and to save them instead of ignoring them. Completely against his usually nature to ignore the suffering of others. His character development was essentially complete right then.

The Ragnarok time branch probably happened when Kratos agreed to serve Tÿr’s role as depicted by the prophecies. The concept of the Norns is that everyone is just really predictable to them, but having Kratos wholeheartedly agree to blow the horn and lead the charge is quite unpredictable for what they know about his character. Faye was always placing the breadcrumbs for them to follow, and it was her presence in his dreams that guided him towards his unpredictable character development.

I think the decision that changed things was Kratos not killing and then convincing Thor not to fight

The little changes can take down a profecy, like the name of the Champion of Jotnar, for the Jotnar are Loki, but his real name is Atreus, not raised as a Giant, raised like a Human

The differentiation in paths as far as prophecy goes is Loki going to Asgard. The Norns explained that the future is predictable when people act the way they normally would. Loki would never go to Asgard willingly and Kratos would never let him go. Because of this nature of theirs, the future set was that Kratos would be killed by Odin and Loki would go to Asgard after his death. By choosing to go to Asgard on his own, Kratos' death was averted because he would not be there to keep Loki from Odin. This may also have to do with Kratos only seeing the part where he is killed while Loki knows the rest of the prophecy regarding Kratos' death. Kratos knows he would be killed but not why. Loki would see the why and would take steps to avert Kratos' death. This would only work if Kratos didn't know why he would die since, as is per his nature, he would never permit Atreus to go to Asgard. Loki would have to defy his fathers wish and do it on his own.

@tenjenk

Жыл бұрын

Its also the point where kratos decided he wanted to live. Had he remained fatalistic and accepted that he had to die for his son's destiny, the prophecy would have aligned. Plus it seems Faye rebelled against her people for her family.

@Alex_the_Copper

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@@tenjenk There's also the time Kratos and Atreus had seperate from each other that seemed to be influencing things. Kratos would never have gotten to build the bonds he did if Atreus was there with him the whole time that led to him getting the things he needed to survive. Atreus is the same way in he got much needed bonds that would also help Kratos survive. By making sure bits of the prophecy was shown to both of them to make them separate from each other, it altered how things could play out.

Kratos understands exactly how it feels to be killed by your own father

It's Kratos existence in the Norse lands and mythology that caused everything to play out differently. Through defeating Magni, Modi, Baldur, with all the Valkyries, and eventually batting Thor, Heimdal, the Einherjar along with Odin himself, Kratos was the wrench in the classic prophecy of Ragnarok.

the path diverted the moment they arrived in jotunheim, Fey broke the cycle by doing that

“Ok, that’s it; You’re Done, Odin!”

Wow... MC showed a reaction :0

I just noticed Thor tried to snap his fingers to call Mjolnir

3:45 I'd say the path separation is when kratos tells aterus to listen to his heart

in a video i saw, the game directors said that the prophecy changed when kratos told atreus to open his heart to people’s suffering. the directors said that choice was what changed the prophecy because they’ve been closing their heart to everyone the whole game

Its nice to see eddie here

I believe the switch happened when Odin tried to change the outcome again by possing as Tyr. The Giants prophecy is showing Kratos with spear all along leading the army against Asgard perhaps as a way to get his son back, but ultimately gets bested by Thor. But Tyr imposing backfired even though it started out looking real good for Odin. I feel mask also plays a part as its Odin's life work, everything he's done is hinging on that one piece. So Odin looses his calm and calculated mind whenever it's dependent on the mask. Like he's jumping with joy when the crack widens first time, he cant wait for the them to get back the second time, he blows his cover just to grab the mask and all. I strongly believe this impatience to finally gain knowledge done him in.

I believe the prophecy was altered by faye to allow them to forge their own path. One example is the mural showing a dieing kratos in atreus arms but that was revealed to be odin when atreus removed his soul.

Everyone has such over the top reactions, and then Charlie is just a monotone “oh f***” I love him

Everyone reaction :😱 Charlie : 😐 This why hes my favorite steamer

Big Omni-man “WHY DID YOU MAKE ME DO THIS?!" energy

am i the only one that double taps as soon as this dude pops up during the reactions

I believe it changes when kratos truly decides to be better. To not kill because of how he feels rather to kill because it is what must be done. While he still is going to take down odin he isn't doing it to kill him, he is doing it to stop him from killing others. The prophecy only saw him as a tool of destruction, not as a chance to rebuild.

makes odins death all more satisfying

I'll say the time the paths diverged is when Kratos and Atreus had that heart to heart in Hellheim

My reaction was "that was... unexpected"

Gold glove takes the title for most surprised reaction lol

I think the future changed after kratos acknowledged his wife’s advice during his dreams, telling Atreus not to close his heart, instead open to their suffering, the norms did mention fate is easily shown because people don’t bother changing their nature, but that’s just my guess, kratos was destined to die by Thor

My guy just answered his own question 😂

I'm honestly not even mad that they were able to bend the prophecy because not only has Kratos done it before it just felt natural

@3:43 it is because during ragnorok, instead of fighting for vengeance, killing the migardians, Kratos chose justice instead and didn’t use surtur to get to Odin, they broke down the wall with Sindri, that’s what changed the prophecy

their first journey was predicted because they didnt know they were following it and in this one they knew what could happen and changed it themselves.

Those lifeless being called Twitch streamers, maan, no reaction atall. SeeYaLater

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You'll have to specify, cause I see good reactions.

@G128_cz

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@@TerminatorT--rg4op Moistcr!tical and XQC, okay XQC had some sort of a reaction, but the other guy, He said only like 4 words. SeeYaLater

it's disturbing to me how odin stresses this feeling that 'I was forced' or 'I had no choice' to kill thor, and even acts a bit distraught about it reminds me of those stories about slave masters that 'liked' their slaves sure, i'll love you and care for you, but the second you refuse to do what i ask, when i ask, you die

IT WAS BROK!!!!! when brok questioned the Odin had to reveal himself prematurely!!!

* Clearly shows everyone he killed thor* Odin to thrud: “ Must’ve been the wind.”

Prophecy line I feel like changed when they decided to use the flaw in the wall and not sacrifice wherever needed to won

im wondering if the giants changed the predictions in order to push Krator and Atreus in the direction needed to avoid their fates in a way that did not make them obsessive like Odin/

Would have been fun to see your reaction too !

The performances in this GAME are Oscar worthy.

In this game the characters stay freeze when they see someone else dying in front of the, like brok

Why does Thor dissolve after he dies? Nobody else dissolves after death in this game (except common enemies, but they dissolve because the game is removing the dead body so it doesn’t need to be rendered anymore)

I wish there was a command I could use for this part of the game for when Thor drops the hammer and says "No" I wish It could say "Fuck You" just seems like some fitting final words from son to father

i was waiting for cory to post cmon man

The timeline or prophecy changes when or a little before Heimdall and Kratos fight and Heimdall dies. The prophecy was that Heimdall would be the one to blow gjarllarhorn and start Ragnarok but Heimdall died so that never happens. Later on, Kratos is the one to blow the horn and start it.

He made every plan to stop ragnarok, because ragnarok was when he died. He lost composure when he heard gallajorn( his imminent death) approaching.

Although Surtr also didn't follow prophecy, they went off their prophecy when Kratos changed his nature and saved the Midgardians in Asgard

I think the prophecy changed when Atreus gave Angrboda the marbles

What changed the prophecy was kratos telling atreus to open his heart and not to close it, doing that changed there fates, it proves that we make our own fate and that you can always make a different choice, also this I correct because the creator said this when he was asked what changed fate

Thor whos that? Oh the lightning dude from the beginning

Well that Faye fight the giant to change the fate ...

Tyr being captured I would say changed things.. because the prophecy said tyr would lead the realms against odin and then cratos ended up leading the battle. He then turned into the new God of war in the prophecy.

Prophecy changed when kratos tried not to kill Heimdall the norns said he would die because he would not change from being a god killer and kratos changed by trying to talk it out and killing when he has to

What nobody is saying though is how this actually mimics when Kratos got stabbed by Zeus.

Did anybody felt that hammer in the chest when odin smacked thrud??

It is when Kratos suddenly have a change of heart... he mention before getting to asgard..they will do this for vengeance.. but right when Atreus keep saying "Close your heart" meaning towards those midgardians that Odin used in front line just to die on stopping us and ragnarok.. that was the point when Kratos said.. He was wrong .. that instead.. Atreus must open his heart to those who suffers because that's who really Atreus is.. and they will do it for Justice not for Vengeance anymore.. Kratos even told Freya and the others to help on saving innocent people. I think at that moment.. their fate changes..

i think kratos later trusted atreus going to asgard which changed things cause if he didnt atreus would have given the mask to odin and atreus would team up with thor against kratos but since kratos cant kill another child he wouldnt fight them

3:18 well it's obliviously that Santa Monica went for different way to describe ragnarok from books poem etc, and I love the way it was done on this game and that it.

Moist:damn...insane..wow...*sips black coffee*

Homie why do you have to do an intro to every compilation? I know Mixed Reactions does it (and tbh I don't know why he started doing that in the first place), but, we're here for the reactions man- if you're that desperate to pad out the run time, then wait for or find more reactions instead of pulling from the same 5-9 people lmao its not hard. And why is your description just a copy and pasted advertisement for the game??? What are you doing man 😂