As a Christian it still feels really offensive. Regardless of whether or not it was a real church, it was a depiction of one. The imagery itself is what’s wrong. Religion shouldn’t be dismissed just because people do and don’t believe in it. Remember that religion is also a way of life - a culture - for many people. Different cultures are to be respected. I’m just disappointed that I can no longer support Le Sserafim after this, especially with Yunjin being one of my favorite artists.

@venusgirlserena

2 ай бұрын

That’s what I’m saying.

@noticemenot

2 ай бұрын

As Christians let's not support minors in kpop group, toxic infustry with lot of abuse and sexual abuse and not support child work❗ I'm happy you unfollow them and hope you'll find healthier singers to stan like Bibi or Soyeon they're all a bout women empowerment and mote healthily uplifting

@jelenkaa

2 ай бұрын

im a christian and i agree with you. i love le sserfims music but i cant support them after that.

@ILoveSeungmin736

2 ай бұрын

Exactly it’s this and the Choreography… People defended it but if you watch the full thing you can see them getting down with their legs “Open” Shaking their buts in The video people brush it off just bc it happens everywhere…

Didnt know blasphemy was an aesthetic now lol. 💀💀💀

Church or not they disrespect Christianity. The Mary and Jesus copy, wearing a cross and devil horns. A lot of songs have biblical concepts about embracing sin. You can say “I’m a bad girl and idc” w/o disrespecting Christianity smh. Anyway it’s between them and God

@mimi-bx3ru

2 ай бұрын

yes! omg this is what i'm talking about like why does no one get it

@Ari-tq8lg

2 ай бұрын

Yes. And hybe should’ve thought first. I hate these concepts and using Christianity as a “aesthetic” is so wrong.

@noticemenot

2 ай бұрын

Because they're producers are evil Please don't support minors in kpop and kids labor

@mimi-bx3ru

2 ай бұрын

@@Ari-tq8lg right omg like why is a religion an aesthetic/concept now 😭 and why is it so well-received by the masses

please do not say 17 year olds are mature beings 😭 you'll realize as you grow up and think about how stupid your younger self was. im not saying that eunchae is immature, but she's the maknae, she's babied and coddled by her group and the fans alike. from what ive observed, that makes her want to act grown up all the more, and those are all the wrong reasons to appear more mature. its only natural for someone of her age to want to grow up and act all adult-y, you wont understand then that yknow growing old is not really all that jazz and to cherish your teens some more. as you said, just because she would be sexualized no matter what she does, should not mean we're actively thrusting choreos on them that call for such attention!!

The line of argument that I keep seeing that' there are 15 year olds that are dancing and dressing more provocatively or whatever ' is very weak. This is more so just highlighting the hypersexualisation of teens in our society. Also dancing in your room or in your dance studio is not the same as dancing in-front of a large audience broadcasted permanently on the internet with an even larger audience. I believe the reason people are mostly upset is because this is not an isolated issue, eunchae has been receiving sexual dances since debut (fearless mv with also a 16 year old garam). But I don't expect most kpop fans to understand this since much of them are very young. I need kpop fans to stop, breathe and realise not all forms of constructive criticism are hate towards their fave groups.

If this wouldn’t be tolerated for other beliefs and religions, why should it be tolerated for Christianity?? The fact it’s not a “real” church is not a valid argument, it still represents one and a church structure is based on religion, so why was it even necessary when it has nothing to do with the song?!

@eunvaise

2 ай бұрын

i have no idea 🫢

@millennial_fairy

2 ай бұрын

It Would have been a different story if they were in a set that was supposed to represent a synagogue mosque, Buddhist, Hindu temple, etc

@hana_mari

2 ай бұрын

exactly. thank you.

@Sunwonpockezt

2 ай бұрын

Even if it was a mosque or a Hindu temple.

Imagine if the music video was taken in a mosque, people would have been going crazy. church or mosque it doesn’t matter that’s just outright disrespectful! The other depictions in the music video like the nuns bowing down to them is just disgusting. Plus yunjin drinking Starbucks during the boycott when she one hundred percent knows what’s going on coz she’s so “woke” and wants to “change” the kpop industry is so problematic. It’s honestly disappointing how people try to defend kpop idols because their companies force them to do this stuff, that excuse has gotten old. These are grown ass people we’re talking about, they have their own morals and mindsets and they show it to us every day. They need to be held accountable. And I don’t play about innocent lives being taken, free palestine 🇵🇸

@Higuysitsme73737

2 ай бұрын

ILY FOR SAYING THIS TY

@3TO5858

2 ай бұрын

all of it is bad exept kinda the starbuck if she wants it she can have it other people who are so called boycotting them still drink their drink daily

@jelenkaa

2 ай бұрын

say it louder for the people in the back

@Genalpha69420

2 ай бұрын

​@@3TO5858zionist

@luvbettyx

2 ай бұрын

For yunjin one. Not everyone has to support the boycott people can support who they want to. ANd also starbucks korea does not support israel.

I think the debate about the “church” music video is not something we should minimize. Yes it’s not really in a church but it does disrespect Christianity and we can clearly see blasphemy in the mv. If it was another religion people wouldn’t minimize it

I'm the same age as eunchae and my parents won't let me dance this type of choreography 💀

@f4iry__chaewon

3 ай бұрын

okay

@hanshitakhare6412

3 ай бұрын

glad to know abt that !! your opinion was veryyy helpful :D

@ucihaitachi3869

3 ай бұрын

And?

@loureedpipes

3 ай бұрын

Maybe I'm not in the right circle for it, but I feel like I don't see many people talk about how young Eunchae is. Le Sserafim has always had pretty suggestive/grown up choreo and concepts, which is alarming to me. People express discomfort with NewJeans, how young they are and their music/lyrics (which I agree with), but I'd argue that Le Sserafim's choreo and styling can be even worse for a group that still has an underage member?

@coldblooded972

3 ай бұрын

​​@@loureedpipesthese are the same people who be cheering Lil girls performing sexy dance in school lmao on Nicki Minaj song😂😂

Yall before the live of lesserafim preforming their new album and i saw the chat and was absolutely disgusted. Someone said "lesserafim flops ive is better" "eunchae is useless"the only thing eunchae is good is for making babies" like bbg its a f_cking minor you're talking about?!

@gghostqs

3 ай бұрын

OH ME TOO, I SAW AND WAS LIKE WTF. I FORGOT THEIR USER.

Its literally SMARTER people need to give up thier jobs!!! They aren't saying samtah!!

Part of the reason why Christianity is taken as a joke is because one, we Christian’s aren’t united and we fight amongst ourselves (about the most irrelevant topics), how can we be taken seriously if we “can’t figure out our own faith?” And two, because Christianity is the one and only truth. The Bible says “you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” (John 8:32 CSB) And, “”Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.“ ‭‭(John‬ ‭14‬:‭6‬ ‭CSB‬‬). People hate the truth, so they’d do anything possible to dismiss it, or downplay it. Hence the vulgar dancing and subliminal messages presented in a church (this church in particular seemed catholic, either way it is still a holy place of worship and should be treated as such). This MV, along with others who mock God are inexcusable, whether it’s towards Christianity, Islam or Hinduism, it doesn’t matter, defamation of a religion, or faith should be taken seriously. ”Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness, who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.“ (‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭5‬:‭20‬ ‭CSB‬‬)

only commenting on what concerns me most, here we go! the church issue: honestly, as a christian we shouldn't bash the members neither the entertainment but the owner/priest etc about letting anyone film in the church. though, i'm concerned by how many people use the excuse "many people film there", 1. just because multiple people film there doesn't make it right to film there. 2. it dissapoints me when christians are called "sensitive" for bringing up an issue like these. (ik it's not a real church but still, not most would've known this) the Smart song; honestly, period for them. i love the song, the vibes everything. just further proves that black people influence the whole genre of not only kpop but music itself. the pronounciation, they have to say "smartah" so it fits the song, so it sounds more like "i'm smart uh, baby smart uh" . the choreo: though 17 is still a minor, it's practically a stage of maturity..thing is y'all (as in those guilty of doing so) baby her too much like she's 5 years old. many dancers including myself (i'm 16) dance to a lot of dances like these, and the ones seeing it as sexual are the real creeps here. also to add, the dance they're doing is common in africa, like the Water challenge, minors were doing it. if you're weird about it, just know, in this world whatever women do, there's something wrong with it. we can't win. *another "issue" i saw on tiktok* the song not being kpop-y: mbrrr times change yall, new sounds come up, new inspirations, new everything. i'm sure y'all wont like the same snoozefest all the time right? kpop is still kpop, this song is kpop because it's perfomed by a KOREAN girl group in a KOREA entertainment company based in KOREA singing KOREAN (get where i'm going?). as k-pop is discovered around the world, there's no way it won't be influenced by the western world. if you don't like it, listen to kpop when it used to be "kpop" then. lolzz uh anyway, i doubt anyone will read this but i wanted to share my thoughts! Peace out

@viktorianischeshuhn3303

3 ай бұрын

Thanks!! That is exactly was I was thinking

@stanado-ks6sf

3 ай бұрын

I read all if this and totally agree!

@speaknowstan13

3 ай бұрын

well personally i don't really agree with the dance part but the rest YESS

@d4ze_22

3 ай бұрын

THERE SAY IT LOUDER!!! Especially on the dance part bc it’s not sexual or inappropriate. It’s part of black culture and many girls her age do that dances.

i unstanned le sserafim for all these controverseys, just cant keep up on them.

No, because I think it was the outfit for Eunchae that made me so uncomfortable, not the dance.

People only care if it’s not Christian. I’m not religious but using Christianity for aesthetic is always fine but any other religion people care about. Even if it’s not church this goes in general. And idk why I thought they were saying smart talk instead of smartah

where I come from, in most cases, you are not even allowed to enter a church while wearing hats, shorts or sleeveless tops, generally you should be dressed „modestly” in order to not be disrespectful (doesn’t matter if you are a tourist or come there to pray, the rule applies to everyone), so I totally understand why someone might find it offensive; I didn’t know it was just a filming venue and not a real church, but it’s not really clear while watching video, still they are using christianity as an „aesthetic” which I don’t think is the best idea but what can we do about it 🤷🏼‍♀️

When you guys could just look at the lyrics at first. Its "smarter" not "smatah" so they basically did pronounce it right

Suga and Halsey Lilith was filmed in an actual church, the Chapelle des Jésuites in Cambrai, France. Nobody freaked out and it was for the game "Diablo". The Church sold them a filming licence (between 300 to 1000 dollars) so why would anyone complain?

@fenewjeans

3 ай бұрын

they replace the cross of JESUS with their logo,like they are GOD, sakura wore crown of throw,

@aerianax

3 ай бұрын

@@fenewjeans please tell me where chaewon burned the bible?

@fenewjeans

3 ай бұрын

@@aerianax it is in their visualizer i thinks.

@fenewjeans

3 ай бұрын

@@aerianax i will search that.i forgot.if i found this i will tag you

@fenewjeans

3 ай бұрын

@@aerianax i don't know if it is chaewon.but the burned a book and because they are in s church.we supposed it is s bible. It is a people who said that on tiktok

I just think it's silly that all these people fall for the engagement bait of these companies over and OVER again. This is exactly why they do this shit. Do people really think companies have minors dancing choreos like that just because?

I think people should be more offended that Christianity as an aesthetic than they filmed at a fake church. Also Eunchae is still a child. Doesnt matter if she's "mature". That dance will just let people justify sexualisation

@speaknowstan13

3 ай бұрын

yes thank you, i feel like ppl that think it's fine for a minor to dance like that bcs they live in a hypersexualized culture that normalized those stuffs..even if eunchae was fine with it doesn't make it ok attack me as much as y'all want, this is just my two cents

@haerindotcom

2 ай бұрын

it wasnt filmed in a church at all. it was filmed in a theater. also, eunchae is not 2 years old. she is 17. yes, she is still a minor, and no matter what happens ppl will still sexualize her, but she is not a child. i dont think that dance should be classified as twerking cause its a traditional african dance and was never ever classified as twerking.

I assumed that they were saying smarter... Are we sure they aren't saying smarter?

@unicorn_xxx3424

3 ай бұрын

yeah it sounds so much like smarter

@Sky12

3 ай бұрын

They’re saying smarter, you’re correct 💀

@kamialexis4831

3 ай бұрын

That’s what I think it is 😂

I am not blaming the group but I am blaming the company for this one. I’m Christian, I am happy that they didn’t film in a real church but It’s not right to create a church like building. I never liked movies who are degrading Christianity, why only us? Correct me if I’m wrong but I’ve never seen a movie with exorcist in a mosque. These movies were always normalised but if it was with another religion things would go wild and the group (and movies made) would be cancelled. I’m just sick that people uses Christianity as an aesthetic like you said

@emilywillis4563

3 ай бұрын

literally who cares christians have persecuted and killed millions of people for thousands of years. if people wanna use christianity as an aesthetic let them

@Army_stayy_slayyy

3 ай бұрын

Hi. I'm a Muslim and I respect your opinion. I think that religion should be completely separate from any types of aesthetics but as you brought up Islam , there have been many instances when Islam was also brought into kpop i.e gidle dancing Infront of a mosque, Jake wearing "Allah" necklace ,etc ( ik that these were the stylist and the event organizers fault. I'm not blaming the artists) so I just think that any religion as a whole should be completely separate from the entertainment industry and not be made into an aesthetic.

@dollamin

3 ай бұрын

@@emilywillis4563 so we should just generalize the entire religion and disrespect them??? yur logic makes no sense Christian’s aren’t the only religion that’s done shitty stuff sit down

Im CHRISTIAN and this was disrespectful to me...

@sweetpea3908

3 ай бұрын

as the youtuber said it isn't an actual church it is a filming location

@_M_OO_N_

3 ай бұрын

It isn't a real church, and even if it was, the church agreed to let them dance

@fwtens203

3 ай бұрын

​@@sweetpea3908 This will be a long reply, and I wrote it to shed light on how it might be perceived from the other side's perspective. if you're continuously using Christian symbols and disrespecting them if thats the appropiate term here by dancing in front of a place intended to be sacred doesn't improve the situation, especially if it's just a filming location. They didn't need to include Christianity in this and use the alleged fake church as an aesthetic for their music video. You can't simply brush it off as just a filming location. Maybe you don't grasp how deeply offended some Christians are because you don't belong to that faith. But picture yourself as a member of a centuries-old religion, one that's woven into a rich cultural tapestry and has left its mark on the world. You cherish it, find solace in it, and it fills you with pride and joy. Now, imagine a pop group shooting a music video in a place once sacred, a former church. They replace the cross with their logo, employ nuns in a bizarre symbolic gesture, and perform *some* sexual dances in this once-holy space. They chose this revered structure, your religions most sacred site for prayer, out of countless other options. Whether it's still officially a church or not, whether society has normalized its use for filming, none of that changes the disrespect. It's disrespectful, plain and simple. You honor cultures and religions. even I, a Christian, would never film in a Buddhist temple/monastery or mosque. I wouldn't do it because I'd be exploiting it for my own purposes, treating it solely as an aesthetic backdrop for my music video. I'm sorry, but I just cant imagine doing such a disgraceful act. It's straightforward to show respect, so why do celebrities find it so HARD nowadays?

@sweetpea3908

3 ай бұрын

@@fwtens203 amazing comment it opened my eyes really

@angelamisciagna2943

2 ай бұрын

Im a christian im personally not offended its a FAKE church and its not like their saying christianity sucks in the song and if this music video bothers you so much then go also attack the others who have used the filming space aswell

FILMED AT A CHURCH???

@aeriluv.

2 ай бұрын

did u watch the vid? it wasnt

@twadegy

2 ай бұрын

@@aeriluv.idgaf 😂

@aeriluv.

2 ай бұрын

@@twadegy errr

@robloxlovera6362

Ай бұрын

It's a church 💀

@twadegy

Ай бұрын

@@robloxlovera6362 ??

and yeah no the 17 year old thing is still weird. im 17 as well and it makes me uncomfortable. inherently twerking isnt a sexual thing and it is used in afrobeats but the difference is who the audience is and the demographic. eunchae debuted when she was 15 and has been heavily sexualized from debut and put in inappropriate clothes AND choreo. fearless had the girls twerking on the ground, her and garam being 15 and 16 respectively. hybe KNEW it was wrong and made altercations bcs of backlash, implying there was some care abt the situation but as time progressed they just showed it was a pr move because gp found it weird. 17 year olds are not fully developed or mature to be making decisions with how they want to be perceived fully along w the appropriateness regarding something which is why things like coordinators and higher ups exist for this type of thing. but if the choreo and song concept is PUSHING to be sxy while knowing full well eunchae is 17, thats weird... this type of sxualization has happened since 2nd gen and many idols who are even adults come out further and say they didnt feel comfortable even being grown because most , as in 90% of the time , the sxy concept is made and intended for the male gaze. the idea that she will be sexualized regardless and just brushing it off as a norm instead of challenging the idea that maybe, just maybe, the industry can put some sort of protocol or safety measures in place so she isnt further sexualized and pushed into this idea is super harmful. the whole entire idea that 18 is fully developed is weird as well, people have contended this for years bcs its just an abstract age that draws no line and the front cortex is not developed until 25. that is quite literally why everyone hates "barely legal" and "18 year old" categories from iykyk because theyre literally made w that in mind.. its CREEPY. there shouldnt be sxy concepts pushed on any idol until theyre minimum age of 21 IMHO and thas only if they make it vocal and clear that theyre fine with that.... we live in a hypersexualized culture where minors twerking in proactive ways that are intended to appeal a certain demographic are normalized and thats where the issue lies. we cannot keep brushing this as an okay thing just cuz a lot of people do it. i have a major is yapanese literature btw if it counts for anything

@coldblooded972

3 ай бұрын

These type of girls be singing Nicki Minaj song in her childhood and judging eunchae who's 17 lmao😂😂

@mediverge

3 ай бұрын

@@coldblooded972 again. the audience matters. if eunchae was doing thoae dances with friends or family or in a small crew or studio, it would he MUCH different than her doing it for the full public consumption and audience who includes plenty of creeps. singing nicki minaj as a 10 yearold is not the same as you getting a lap dance from her at a concert. shes literally under fire because she's been enabling pedos... time, place, audience is all that matters female idols have been outspoken how theres creepy online boards made for slowing down pics and vids of idols for nsfw reasons lets use our brains

@mediverge

3 ай бұрын

@@coldblooded972 also, im not a girl and what made you think im judging eunchae? im on her sude I'm questioning the higher ups who are approving and letting her do these things

@coldblooded972

3 ай бұрын

@@mediverge I was replying to others whose comments are now deleted smart ass did I replied by mentioning you

@speaknowstan13

3 ай бұрын

@@eunvaise lol ppl like you are those type that don't know how to accept opinion from othera, the fact you can't read all of that says a lot abt you💀

People defend eunchae like she's 5 ..like okay ...even if she did that dance then what? You're the one sexualising it ...and it was not even provocative..just cause it has two moves which require hip rolling or turning your back to the crowd ... She's not gonna become a whole ass women when she turn 19 bruh...

to me the church critique makes no sense because like.. churches as filming locations have been a norm for decades now??? like there has been so much worse and this is what gets you???????????????????

@eunvaise

3 ай бұрын

this comment this so trueee

@Itsmeemili

3 ай бұрын

So because society has made it a norm means people of the church faith aren’t allowed to be offended? That makes no sense. Look around the world. So many inappropriate things are normalized. Just means we’ve lost our way, not that it’s okay. The church is a holy place it’s that simple.

@dollamin

3 ай бұрын

just because its normalized doesn’t make it right tf

i agree with you completely. i feel like people are using whatever they find to hate on them in the middle of the comeback since they know it will affect them more. also, the mispronunciation in smart is a complete lie. if you search the lyrics to the song it actually says "i'm a SMARTER baby smarter". they pronounce it well. they aren't saying "smart", they are saying "smarter"

Another mess is the length of each song on the album 😢

@roseshyejoo

3 ай бұрын

exactly cause why is an EP with 5 songs 13 mins in its total run time?? be so fr..

@saeicid

3 ай бұрын

​​@@roseshyejooI hate to say it but they truly pulled a newjeans for this one and I don't fwi 😭

@Lixxies_brownie

3 ай бұрын

@@saeicidthis is so true tho 😭

@ri-kb1ue

3 ай бұрын

Ikr and why did the intro have to be so long instead of making each song 3 minutes

the smart thing really pissed me off honestly. as a black kpop stan, they said SMARTER and not smart, which i see a lot of people saying that they said smart in a south african accent. i get being upset about this at first, but people need to do their research and look up the lyrics before commenting that they are copying south african accents. loved your video btw!!!

the way they say "smart/smarter" is not anyone else's business except for the black community. Half of the people speaking on the "church" topic don't know wtf they are saying. people should do proper research before talking about a sensitive and controversial topic. I've seen many people mocking/defending the situation. If it turns out that the place was in fact MEANT to be/represent a church and the audience believed it as a church TOO, then everything is indefensible i mean we had nuns in the churches, sakura wearing jesus's crown of thorns for their concept pics, changing their logo into a cross, AND recreated Mary holding the of Christ after the crucifixion. The whole set and concept was very questionable. Everyone is taking this situation differently and sharing their opinions so theres no right and wrong but i also dont think this should be whole situation should be taken easily

People film movies in churches all the time? You guys just pick and choose and find the littlest thing to get offended over .

@lurica5566

3 ай бұрын

Let me add this: 1st.Presbyterian church is not a Catholic. 2nd the room is being used for event and concert it's called SANCTUARY (not a church)3rd. they have 2 main chapel on the other side(Westminster and Chichester chapel).

@lurica5566

3 ай бұрын

Take a note their at the sanctuary room not the chapel. Emmanuel Presbyterian Church in lost angeles has sanctuary, parlor room, 2 chapel , gym, rooftop basketball court and Parish hall.

@skadiwlf1204

3 ай бұрын

Well how about the procession cross in the beginning of their mv that changed into their logo , the symbol of Jesus' sacred heart with letter 'LSF' on it and sakura wore crown of thorns as a freakin aesthetic ? so disgusting

@lurica5566

3 ай бұрын

@@skadiwlf1204 I acknowledge that, idk what their concept/design team thinking about this. Concept related to religion is serious matter. But aren't we think outside the box? Too much? When all about their message (lyrics) is all about themselves, hardwork and the success are not being easy. 😭

@Cvntybg

3 ай бұрын

okay but they shouldn’t even be dancing with clothes like that in a church anyway. christianity isn’t an aesthetic

speaking of minors dancing "sexually", in my town we have a hip hop dance group which is mainly filled with minors (10 years old or younger) doing twerking and shit. or like really sexual dance moves and i never saw a problem with it until i got much older and seeing them do that stuff weirds me out. i see even adults rooting for them😭

I don’t have a big opinion on this, but why do I get the feeling that you like Le Serrafim? Like, it wasn’t THAT serious (apart from the DANG BLASPHEMY), but you were kind of.. soft? On them.

@brittanys505

Ай бұрын

Absolutely like it is serious enough for them to make a video addressing it.

1 correction, immanuel presbyterian* is an actual presbyterian church in la (presbyterian is form of christianity), since on the building there is a cross in front of the building, but it really isnt that big of an issue knowing that the church did give them permission, and the church has been used for filming lots of things!

My issue is when its not allowed for other groups to use anything from a religion, then why is it okay to do so with christianity? Like anyone remember BlackPink getting so much hate for their (i think) "How You Like That" mv due to a small statue that was important in (i think) Hinduism. The backlash got so big that the mv was edited un order to remove the statue. So the backlash due to disrespecting a different religion is warranted

@notaspeck6104

Ай бұрын

As a catholic why do we have to compare? People are brain dead, just respect every religion. Christianity has a very different history in the west than other religions. People from other religions face plenty of issues that is christians don’t, just because twitter gets mad at one thing and not the other, it doesn’t invalidate the real life issues people face. Get off the internet 🙄

the way they say smart is so south african accent coded😭 so odd omds😭😭😭 smart still bangs 😩💘

@SleepyRue

3 ай бұрын

It kind is but it's good it sounds like Tyla- Water which is fine it is really a good song

@sumankumari5004

2 ай бұрын

They're saying "smarter" not smart check the lyrics

@suz-2050

2 ай бұрын

@@sumankumari5004 that’s information ’known’ now the lyrics has come out, regardless i do still hear ‘smatah’ even in yunjin’s american accent, it does sound more vibes in that accent imo

only person i have agreed with so far on EVERYTHING. finally a sensible human being oml 😭

i thought they were saying smarter smarter smarter 😶

@insabo3031

3 ай бұрын

They do

@shapinaak

3 ай бұрын

They are. If people would just take the time to read the lyrics before writing essays on twitter, they would know they're singing smarter and not smart, which means there's no problem with the pronunciation

i feel like you guys automatically assume whenever someone voices an opinion or thought theyre deeply offended and it affects them heavily like. no. people can point out something and talk about the deeper idea instead of it being construed as them being violently angry.

This whole entire time i thought they were saying 'smarter' Lol

I agree with what you said. Who thinks the pronunciation of smart is making fun of anybody? Lots of songs in lots of languages deliberately stretch out or mispronounce words for a particular effect. (Btw I swear “zimzalabim” was “inspired by” a German children’s song. “Umpah umpah” could be interpreted as making fun of Bavarians/Austrians. Yes I know that’s not Le Sserafim. But getting upset about those things is just as dumb as getting upset about “smart.”) Who has the time and energy to get worked up about something like that? As for the suggestive dancing, I have no problem with it at all but then again I am a western person who only got into K-pop months ago. I find a lot of the “controversies“ overblown and ridiculous but I guess there are some cultural boundaries within Korea that I am not aware of. I might even be accused of being disrespectful which is not my intention. Anyway, thank you for the video! 🙏🧡🎼🕺🪩

@thethingcalledlisa

3 ай бұрын

I genuenly want to hear what you mean with the Umpah Umpah thing; how would that ever make fun of bavarians, Austrains, etc.? (Also don't get the Zimzalabim take or how the two songs are related here) The thing about the pronounciation of "smart" is objectively incorrect since the lyrics don't even say "smart" but rather "smarter" which it does sound like And about the clothing situation if you look it up and try to genuenly think about it you'll at least get where the people who find it morally questionable at least come from even if you don't agree with it

@dronesclubhighjinks

3 ай бұрын

​@@thethingcalledlisa clothing situation? I thought we were talking about suggestive choreography. Where exactly should I look up morally questionable clothing? Please advise. Genuinely have no idea although I would genuinely like to think about it if I genuinely knew what the problem genuinely was. The pronunciation of smart was discussed in the video. That is what I was referring to. And if the word used is actually “smarter“, then why was there a controversy at all? Making fun of Bavarians / Austrians was an ironic joke on my part to illustrate the silliness of these controversies. Like, claiming “cultural appropriation” instead of “cultural appreciation” of those countries/regions/cultures. Or claiming that Red Velvet is mocking the culture. I am poking fun at people who are hyper sensitive about every tiny thing. “Oompah oompah” (that would be the English spelling) is the word for the type of music that commonly people, at least in most English speaking countries, assume goes with the Bavarian/Austrian culture, because generally all they know about it is the Oktoberfest and Alps. Also, they tend to assume this is “German culture.” This tends to annoy the crap out of Germans, who are not Bavarians. There is a German children’s song called ”Simsalabim” which is very catchy. To English speakers, the German S sounds like English Z, which is why I assume Red Velvet chose to spell their song “Zimzalabim.” Again, that would be a German thing that Koreans have used. Please refer to the 3rd paragraph. And the 4th if you need to. Hope that clears things up. Do tell me where I can look up morally questionable clothing. What is the age of consent - or the age at which this clothing would no longer be morally questionable if worn by a female person in South Korean culture? Hope you have a nice week! 🙏🌺🦩💕

I can understand people wanting to protect Eunchae snd and other idols who are still underage and in general

Using Christian symbols disrespectfully, especially in a place meant to be sacred, doesn't help the situation, especially if it's just for a video shoot. There's no need to involve Christianity in this way or use a fake church for their music video's aesthetics. It's not just about the location being used for filming; it's about the lack of respect. Think about being part of a religion with a long history and deep cultural significance. Now, imagine a pop group filming a video in a former church, altering its sacred symbols and using suggestive dances. They chose this place over many others, disregarding its importance. Regardless of its current status, it's disrespectful. Honoring cultures and religions means avoiding actions like this. Even as a Christian, I wouldn't film in a Buddhist temple or mosque. It's about showing respect, something that seems to be lacking in celebrity culture nowadays. Harassing Lesserafim for this isn't right, but it's not something we should just brush off either. They're humans, and perhaps they also felt wrong doing this. At the end of the day, it's just an insignificant, somewhat offensive decision their team or they themselves made. Cancelling them is wrong, and trying to justify their actions by saying it's not a church anymore is also wrong.

@TA---

3 ай бұрын

Jesus spoke directly against churches being sacred... But rather the community is what's important. Traditionalism in Christianity will be the demise of the religion.

@hana_mari

2 ай бұрын

@@TA---yes, but the church represents the place where the community can gather and worship. doing this type of dance is not in any way a form of worship; it’s really inappropriate. and it doesn’t excuse the disrespectful use of Christian symbolism.

You can’t film in a church especially since they changed the cross to their logo!! And even worse. The person that allowed is also problematic. The controversy should have never started with Hybe wanting to film in a church. And yes it’s a church

tbh about the whole ‘smart’ pronunciation thing, it’s seriously not that deep. when it comes to kpop girl groups, people will nit pick for the smallest things to hate esp when they are as successful and popular 😭

ok let's assume you didn't see Sakura wearing Jesus' crown of thorns

@lo.ve.l.y

3 ай бұрын

where in the mv does it show that??

@Npappy74

3 ай бұрын

@@lo.ve.l.yit’s in the concept photos

@xifiaofkca

2 ай бұрын

@@lo.ve.l.y concept photos, and not just Sakura, ALL of lesserafim

Well, 1st Presbyterian church is not a Catholic. 2nd the room is being used for event and concert it's called SANCTUARY (not a church)3rd. they have 2 main chapel on the other side(Westminster and Chichester chapel). Take a note their at the sanctuary room not the chapel. Emmanuel Presbyterian Church in lost angeles has sanctuary, parlor room, 2 chapel , gym, rooftop basketball court and Parish hall.

2:04 as a south african, the blaccent was kinda odd though

About the pronunciation. Additionally, I think in swan song, it sounds like they say black swan - eh. So what though. I am sure Yunjin would know how to pronounce swan if that were the issue. But obviously this is what they are going for. It didn't even occur to me to complain. For all I know they are saying a different word in Korean and I just don't hear it right. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (Edit: It says black swan nan; nan as in "I'm a" in Korean, shows you what I know), Folks we are listening to Korean music. It's usually sung in Korean, sometimes with some English here and there. To an international fanbase. Please give it a rest. ✌🏼 Peace

3:16 yes exactly everyone hates to admit manchae is growing up, shes going to be an adult this year

- For god sake, this generation is completely f****D up... You can't live without searching sh*t on some groups or people... - If they filmed a music video in a church, that means the owners of the church allowed it... The group and the crew didn't show up the morning and said "Let's film here"... - And I don't see the meaning of the " no cross", 🤔 - The age is a problem in the entire K-pop industry, minors shouldn't be allowed to be in groups... The parallel with teens dancing in school is dumb, in school, they dance in front of other teens, supervised by adults...

@user-gt9cz6lg1t

3 ай бұрын

dont even share ur opinion because its literally wrong

@fenewjeans

3 ай бұрын

Chaewon burned a BIBLE,they replaced the cross of JESUS with their logo like they are GODS, they wore short clothes and skirts in a church

@fwtens203

3 ай бұрын

Huh? Ok now this is kind of nonsensical. Just because the church, most likely run by administrators who only care about money and disregard its significance, allows some group of girls to dance in a religious place meant for prayer and reverence, doesn't mean it's acceptable or okay. The church holds a symbolic presence and Implication behind it. Unfortunately, its administrators don't care about that and use it for their selfish actions. We Christians feel offended by some church owners because they discard the culture's importance and symbolic meaning, you can't stand here and tell me that just because the church allowed some dog to pee on the ground inside it, means it's totally okay and doesn't disgrace and disrespect the religion of that sacred building

@xanderross

2 ай бұрын

@@user-gt9cz6lg1t it's not wrong, and I will continue to share my opinion, so get a life...

@xanderross

2 ай бұрын

@khaaadouj that church is used for movies, tv shows, mv and even enterprise conference and before opening your mouth, you should check the website of the church...

Please stop being shocked by every little thing... I'm Catholic and I don't care at all that the video is set in a church. Or rather I am happy that our churches are being highlighted and that something is happening there. It's probably not even a real church ! Or a reformed church like there are a lot today used for concert or museum. So stop the sterile controversies and displaying yourselves as pseudo victims at the slightest religious sign. It just doesn't make sense in the 21st century...

@rsfpanda

3 ай бұрын

im not offended by the church but rather the crowns, nuns, the evil eye,

@cutemeowgirl

3 ай бұрын

Huhhhh

@penpinson12882

3 ай бұрын

wtf why are u happy secular music is being filmed in a representation of a church are u ok.

@infinityunique8694

3 ай бұрын

I agree

@MiniMoonCake

3 ай бұрын

its not a church 😭

In all fairness, I never even noticed that the backdrop in the MV looked like a church. Then again, if a church is purely for worshipping-purposes, why build massive structures with beautifull architecture and glass? I'm not religeous myself so I could be completely ignorant (please let me know a different viewpoint if that is the case) but for now I can't help but see churches as partly aesthetic buidlings as well and it would be up to the church if they allow someone to film in there or not. Now that it has been confirmed to be a "regular" filming-site this only shows more that people are waaay to quick to jump on a hate train or be offended imho. REgarding the dance, when I first listened to the song I thought it was a massive ass-shaking-song (in a very good way tho, it's the best song on the album imho) and it's not surprising thats exactly what the choreo is. But also here, it's not that they didn't shake their behinds in Antifragile or Unforgiven or something... To me this dance is not that much worse then those. Plus you do see in the live performance that Eunchae is holding back/performing alternate moves so they did tune it down a bit. But you are right, the moment a minor is debuted in a group they are sexualised. Sad but true. Le Sserafim (particularly the company) is catering to this with their styling and choreo's.

@Cherylmayblii

3 ай бұрын

Well, If someone worships god, then obviously they’ll make the place to worship that god magnificent and opulent. From what I’m aware, orthodox churches were so big and beautifully sculpted for a multitude of reasons. They worship god, just like you mentioned. Isn’t that the answer itself??? Worshipping isn’t just merely praying and reciting scriptures. They worship a god, and hence see that particular god as the higher being that deserves nothing less of the utmost devotion. Churches are made to look so beautiful because it is believed it is the least that can be done for god. I suggest you look up articles on this, there’s quite a lot that are easy to comprehend !! As for the situation at hand, (imo) it’s a mixed bag. A lot of people don’t seem to care or think it was that big of a deal, but some people felt genuinely uncomfortable and hurt, and hence disliked the mv. Its a messy topic to detangle and determine who’s in the right or wrong, or if there’s even a right and wrong. As for the dance, it’s upsetting how normalised minors doing ‘sexy’ dance moves has become. Lesserafim had a great comeback, I just hope they won’t make eunchae do such chores in the future.

@Cherylmayblii

3 ай бұрын

Also I’m so sorryyyyy kskskskss I wrote an entire para 😭😭😭

@TKoote

3 ай бұрын

@@Cherylmayblii Thanks for your reply and I get your point as it being a gesture or symbolism of appreciaction to god. Makes perfect sense. Then it would be more a matter of the church itself allowing the filming of such content, but also the company requesting to film at a sensitive site in the first place. Then again, as this was not a church but a movie-site with the religeous symbols removed, Hybe surely knew what they were looking for and took the risk of criticism with it.

@alliepie1402

3 ай бұрын

@@TKoote Actually I think they did used some symbols in the mv, maybe nothing obvious like a big cross, but still I noticed a few: - one of the neons in the background you looks like a hamsa hand which is an amulet commonly used in middle east - another that is a heart surrounded by flames and the letters “lsf” is similar to the symbol of heart of Jesus surrounded by thorns and little flame at the top (sometimes they would also put letters “ihs” which is a monogram for the name Jesus) - the eye neons could be interpreted as all seeing eye of God or as a nazar protecting from the evil eye - Also the scene where Yunjin is lying on Chaewon is form of pieta, which is a pose often find in Christian art depicting Saint Mary holding body of Christ after his death To me it’s like picking and mixing together some occult and christianity symbols purely for aesthetic purposes, which is quite ignorant. Obviously the team behind the visuals is to be blamed, but I doubt they would care at all 😅

@aimeeclarkson-williams3706

3 ай бұрын

@@Cherylmayblii they song is very catchy and cool, but as a religious person, i’m dont rlly like how they did it in a church. Its fine that they weren’t doing and witchcraft or anything, but the clothes and the dance

Thats Emmanuel Presbyterian Church, The place who used by LSM is “ main sanctuary “ with has no cross(most band/artist perform this place) and the one has it called Westminster Chapel. It’s not a Catholic Church, it’s a Presbyterian Church who broke away from Catholic in the 15-16th century.

@ryangerald736

3 ай бұрын

Its the same its A CHURCH.

@lurica5566

3 ай бұрын

@@ryangerald736 Well, 1st Presbyterian church is not a Catholic. 2nd the room is being used for event and concert it's called SANCTUARY (not a church)3rd. they have 2 main chapel on the other side(Westminster and Chichester chapel).

@lurica5566

3 ай бұрын

@@ryangerald736 Take note , their at the sanctuary room not the chapel.

@lurica5566

3 ай бұрын

@@ryangerald736 Search, Emmanuel Presbyterian Church lost angeles tour in KZread. So u can fact check this place. That place doesn't have cross inside.

@lurica5566

3 ай бұрын

@@ryangerald736 Search, Emmanuel Presbyterian Church lost angeles tour in KZread. So u can fact check this place. That place(Sanctuary )doesn't have cross inside.

I agree all the way with you on this. Like it really ain’t that serious 😂 but people like to be dramatic these days

@JessyDonZola

3 ай бұрын

U just dont care about our religion if they would do something with ur religion would u like it dont call us dramatic at least we care about our religion!

@TA---

3 ай бұрын

​@@JessyDonZolagrowing up non-denominational, I also think the reaction is silly.

You made a lot of good points. For me, I don't like calling people "too sensitive", because we all have things we are sensitive about. I do too. And I am also not trying to say people shouldn't express their feelings. As if I even could --- it's their right either way. As it is also mine to speak my opinions. I believe one of the reasons why kpop is so creative and has a lot of qualities that we as fans love, is because they are not as beholden to the whims of mobs on the internet as other markets have become. It's one thing for people to express their own opinion, but another when people are just looking for a reason to rile up the crowd to go around and F with anyone who is enjoying these crafts. There are always trouble makers looking for a reason to harass others. Not to say that everyone who believes in the cause does that. But anytime a mob is formed to scapegoat others who don't follow along, it sets an environment to be abused by those deranged and bored individuals. I wanna mention that there are some churches & cathedrals that do allow visitors and people to take pictures and film. People do need to be respectful and follow the rules that the church set forth. These days it is hard for some of these beautiful and historical structures to stay afloat, and allowing this helps them obtain some funds in order to do upkeep and renovations. That does not mean disrespect but I would caution people from assuming that all of the religious figures feel the same way they do. You cleared up that this was not filmed in a church anyway, so thanks for that. I just wanted to give a bit of a PSA there.

your opinions are so based. nothing to add. ppl are crazy. i‘m happy the company and the girls do not engage with these so called "critics"💀

@eunvaise

3 ай бұрын

what does this even mean

@pinkvixenz

3 ай бұрын

yea its just her personal take on them. nothing really factual except for the church one. 17 year olds are more mature becasue they discover things prior to. even minors younger than 17. eunchae being a minor in this kind of industry is wrong enough.

@scarlettvixtoria

3 ай бұрын

its literally just an opinion if u dont like it leave 🔥

@deno4816

3 ай бұрын

@@eunvaise girl i said i agree with you

My question does the venue even classify as a church the definition of a church is " a building used for public christian worship" and the venue CLEARLY does nit fit that description (P.S I am a christian)

how do you have 32k subscribers

@eunvaise

3 ай бұрын

fansss

I agree with everything you've said infact haters are people who make them famous 😂

OOO THE CLICKBAIT GOT ME😭😭

True tho..I'm going to be 17 this year and i dance to viviz manisc and kiof nobody knows viral parts daily lmao😅

@thethingcalledlisa

3 ай бұрын

But you don't have to according to a contract which would cost you several thousand Dollar to break and don't do it in front of thousands of people

@luvpohi

2 ай бұрын

nope, it’s different. ur doing it cause u want to idols dont have a choice, they are obligated to do it and have thousands/millions of people watching them. whether they are okay with it or not they still have to perform those choreos like the other person said.. theyre under a contract that they cannot break

Stopped at 0:29. the problem is you and you dont even know

@Captrain958

3 ай бұрын

watch the whole video before you comment lmfao

@huhyep5604

3 ай бұрын

True that!

their literally saying "im a SMARTER baby smarter" not smartah

@eunvaise

2 ай бұрын

yeah we get it now

The double standards with people are real. Its very hard to stick on to your principles and morality when on the other side is your favourite k-pop group. Girl... we get you. Its nothing new. Christianity has been vandalised by artists time and time again.Black culture and music have been used by people for monetary purposes and what not,its not anything new. Its just that earlier it was white Americans now it's by white Asians😌. And girl just because everyone is doing something doesn't mean its right by default. Revolutionary changes which demoralised slavery and female oppression didn't come over night it took years to stand against oppression and bring a change.

This happens when they debut minors.. They even dont know how to respect a religion 😢

@user-hx8om4go3b

Ай бұрын

Remember it wasn’t in a church she said

@user-ti9ix7hi8l

27 күн бұрын

Sakura is far from a minor

My issue with smart, and other K-pop groups who use/make Afro-beat music every now & then is not necessarily the fact that they are doing it. It’s that when they make that type of music, they r praised but when African/Caribbean people do it, it’s suddenly “too” cultural.

@dianaJ12344

3 ай бұрын

but its not necessarily their fault for that, people are just shitty for that

@jlizard8500

3 ай бұрын

Hmm I've actually never seen those instances but thats so stupid to hate on Africans or African Americans for that. That's like saying traditional Korean music is too "cultural"

the video is very disrespectful

@eunvaise

3 ай бұрын

in what way 💀

@imareezy4391

3 ай бұрын

@@eunvaise FR

it didn't even look like a church, yet le sserafim are blamed for this?

First ❤ caught you in 28sec Can I get a pin?? 😭 I really love your videos

Looks like you're missing the point here! About smart; the issue is way more than just "smartah"... The thing is that kpop fans have acted very racist agaisnt black people, the most recent example would be the misunderstanding about le sserafim posts about their brand when they used a black model. So a lot of people not only blk people were angry cause it is a fact that without black and african culture kpop does not exist. Or at the very least would have trouble surviving. On the other hand, the whole smart song is heavily inspired by Tyla we talking about the song, the clothes and even the choreo, so yeah obvioulsly they say "smartah" and not smarter fro a reason. Don't get me wrong, the song is very catchy, however it is getting tiring that people would litteraly spit on any culture, and then praise their favorite kpop group which is using that same culture. As a black person, i am tired. I just wish kpop was a safer place for blk kpop stans. BTW!!! This is business so i am not necessarily mad at the group, le sserafim is always jumping on any trends anyways idk what hybe is doing with them.

@sofirrrodriguez

3 ай бұрын

but isn't "smartah" like a brit pronunciation? what's the problem with it?

@eunvaise

3 ай бұрын

wdym "i just wish kpop was a safer place for black kpop stans". kpop was always about the music, but people choose fight over dumb things. when a kpop idol says the n-word, im like "okay, im never associating myself with this idol again", end of story, i moved on with my life. people should not let such things stick around in their minds then complain "its not a safe place", then dont BE in that place..? if yk what im talking about.

@Army_stayy_slayyy

3 ай бұрын

​@@eunvaisegirl imo your take on the "smart" cheography was not it. The 27 year olds you are talking about , they probably have no eyes on them. They are not performing in front of millions of people. And the dance is not just hip shaking. Anti fragile also had hip shaking. This is proper" butt" shaking and who knows what kind of people are watching that performance. You defending this is insane.

@yoonjungie

3 ай бұрын

lmfao search up the actual lyrics before getting offended. they said "smarter" not "smart."

@picante28

3 ай бұрын

@@Army_stayy_slayyy looks like you're the one s3xualizing her body here...

it's probably not even a real church why people so overthinking? some fandoms want pulling to down lesserafim

@hulnhulnn7304

3 ай бұрын

It doesn't matter if it's real church or not. The song and dancing was really good ngl. But I know it's just WRONG. It's still disrespectful, they replace the cross with their logo, and the eyes???

@Cvntybg

3 ай бұрын

u js need to know that christianity isnt a concept you shouldn’t even be dancing with clothes like that in a church anyway

@infinityunique8694

3 ай бұрын

OMG this building already allowed for Music video and Movie so many why complain now? you said that's replace the cross with their logo you don't even know this building inside design more learn to the immanuel presbyterian church and then people need to more grow up why a bigot only don't have cross that's still ok if you not okay that's your i'm out @@hulnhulnn7304

@dollamin

3 ай бұрын

it being a real church or not doesn’t matter it’s disrespectful to christians that’s that

@vixxexo6855

3 ай бұрын

@@hulnhulnn7304How is it wrong if it is not a real church? If it is not a church then that means it is a regular building. How can it be wrong then?

FINALLY FINALLY!! BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE ARE JSUT HATING AND HATING AND NOT SEARCHING THE FACTS

Ask them where did their hate brought them?! Absolutely nothing!

Lets point out the truth about all this nonsense. When this comeback dropped and everyone realised LSF leveled up instead of stagnanting. The toxic mindset of no one is better than my fav group kicked in and the Christian thing was just an easy way to dogpile on the group to try and bring them down. At the end of the day none of these weirdos actually care that it was shot at a set of a church.

there's still time to delete this fam

@eunvaise

3 ай бұрын

delete this comment and never come to my page AGAIN 😚😚

@przxyua

3 ай бұрын

​@@eunvaiseATEE

@2vivi

3 ай бұрын

​@@przxyuasry but that drag was ass 🗣️🔥

@sdmvbz

3 ай бұрын

​@@2viviclock it omg

@Kpopisntforkids

2 ай бұрын

​@@przxyua Chile ate what? The plate is still full, cold, and stale 💀💀

The song the match the visuals 😢

idc lol , there is already clarification the church has been used in many industries..stop making content for ur sake

I love your videos smm 🫶🏻

Why is the kpop fandom so full of young people with the exact same views as conservative old men? Like, they used religious imagery in a less transgressive way than Madonna did in the 80s, and a 17 year old did a vaguely provocative dance wearing slightly revealing clothing. None of this is scandalous, or even very interesting. Everyone needs to go watch a John Waters film or read some Octavia Butler or just experience anything a little bit subversive so you might broaden your minds a tiny tiny bit.

you're soo honest with your reviews

@eunvaise

3 ай бұрын

is this satire 😂

@Kpopinstead

3 ай бұрын

@@eunvaise ??

THANK YOUUUU

Tbh you're 100% Right imo

Ppl get mad at anything

@Ha4youngg

2 ай бұрын

Getting mad cuz they disrespected a religion? Yes we are

@darklightss_

2 ай бұрын

@@Ha4youngg but im christian myself and idgaf things in movies happened all the time but nobody does anything

@wowimflyingUuuuu

2 ай бұрын

​@@darklightss_ you should be troubled at someone mocking your religion. Dancing in a place that's supposed to be a church while there's an eye instead of the cross should disturb you very much.

@darklightss_

2 ай бұрын

@@wowimflyingUuuuu how is that lsfms fault, theyre not in charge of that tho, its their job to follow orders so if you’re mad direct it towards hybe not the girls

@wowimflyingUuuuu

2 ай бұрын

@@darklightss_ I'm not blaming the girls. Ik how idols have to follow the stuff they are told to. But you as a Christian should not defend this at all. Don't fall for worldly desires.

I liked dancing and dressing sexy my whole teen years when I could get away with it. Because we are in a hypersexualized culture and its normalized and lauded. However this left me in a vulnerable state where I very easily could have been groomed if I wasn't lucky and also led to more body image issues. I also didn't see the problem when I was your age. But in hindsight I wish someone had told me there's no rush to grow up. We need to draw the line somewhere, and I don't think 18/19 is bad, precisely because less people are outraged about eunchae right now. What really gets me is the fact that adults profit off all this. I don't know how these industry execs sleep at night if they have any morals. A kid dancing in high school isn't bejng exploited in the same way as eunchae and of course many other idols I have a video on my channel from a few years ago if you want more perspective

About the church thing. Not trying to defend her but you cant just go there and dance, you have to get a special permission. And yeah, maybe they should have picked a different location but if the church is okay i dont get the whining

@Itsmeemili

3 ай бұрын

If it was any other religion it would not be okay. Extremely disrespectful! The church is considered a sacred place for any Bible-believing person. What is the NEED to film in that type of setting?

@blushyrosie886

3 ай бұрын

@@Itsmeemili why would have been okay it it was another religion?? Yall should be mad at the church for allowing this.

@clarabessede7360

3 ай бұрын

Did you even watch the video it was not filmed in a Church like you even get the real location 🤨like you guys arguing for nothing...

@blushyrosie886

3 ай бұрын

@@clarabessede7360 I'm not even arguing? I could care less about this whole situation but let's not pretend that is not a church.

@clarabessede7360

3 ай бұрын

@@blushyrosie886 girl are you ..? Ugh see that is a venue it's a room that looks like a church that is arranged like a church but is NOT a church because you know what? There's no cross for goddamn sake. So what that's a church? then if i take multiple desks and chairs and put them in a room in my house then it's a classroom? I swear i don't understand some people 👁👄👁

It's not just about the PLACE,the CHURCH,but how they portray acolytes and the pastor when they're entering the church, dancing inappropriately in the ALTAR, changing the SACRED HEART OF JESUS symbol and placing their LSM logo into it, changing the cross to their logo, do some research y'all 💀 y'all think it's just about the church but there is more, idc if they're atheist but at least respect some people's religion, religion it's not just an aesthetics👎 There are many kinds of unique places and concepts, but they're choosing religion TO BE DIFFERENT and UNIQUE?? Smh

I love their comeback by the way and you made a great video 🙂!

why does her voice sound familliar ???

@julessspovs_

8 күн бұрын

i hear jojo siwa😭

as a christian i honestly got offended when i first found out about it, so thank you for clearing things up lol i was about to unstan them since chaewon and sakura already danced in front of a mosque while ssots era (i held them accountable) i always hated the fact that people see eunchae as the cute baby maknae and baby her so much, like shes 17.. anyways i never saw her get sexualised so idrk what ur talking about lol at minute 4:32 i dont really agree since at a fansign the members themselves said they dont want eunchae to do provocative dances, and she as well makes being cute her only trait which i get annoyed by.

@chuunation4140

3 ай бұрын

can u please enlighten me regarding the "dancing in front of mosque"? id like to know since im a muslim

@ideap.343

3 ай бұрын

@@chuunation4140 It was when they were still in izone, basically they attended an event to perform the song “secret story of the swan” and somehow the staffs put on a background of a mosque while they performed. In my opinion, i’m pissed about the event coordinator who allow this to happen, using religious institution as “aesthetics”. I personally don’t think the group even know that this was going to happen because usually in events like this, they just do rehearsal once or twice usually without background or full effects on so to each their own.

@skadiwlf1204

3 ай бұрын

Mind you the whole members of Le sserafim wore crown of thorns as their concept photo and sakura literally posted a selfie of herself wearing crown of thorns on Instagram, maybe it's a sign to stop stanning them.

oh yea. you ate this one.

I luv easy + smart Argue wit ur mama 😭🫵🏼

@Lazzydad

2 ай бұрын

Don’t watch the vid then💀💀

2:23 omg i love you

THEY ATEE

If I’m being honest I don’t know why people bash the group members when they have no choice to things like preforming in disrespectful places, singing songs with swears and having ‘inappropriate’ dance moves, they would most likely loose there job as an idol if they disagree to what the company’s telling them. Bash the company not the girls!!! Anyways, The church issue: It wasn’t a church! They preformed on a movie set which is not a church. And if it was, the blame is on whoever let them preform at the ‘church’ in the first place ( as said in the video ) As a Christian I’d feel a bit more upset towards this if it was a real church, as most people feel right now, but I know most people mad at the group for this rn is probably unaware that it wasn’t a real church. The ‘smart’ song This really pissed me off. It’s just a song, the world will end if someone ‘miss pronounced’ a word omggg! They didn’t even say ‘smart’ they said smarter. They are a Korean group, so English isn’t their native language, so obviously it’s normal for them to not pronounce words accurately just like we do. Just because they pronounce ‘smarter’ different doesn’t mean they’re copying a native American accent. The song being ‘different’ Time changes, new inspirations, new concepts, new songs, new groups. Not every K-pop song is gonna be all cutesy, and just because it got a different concept doesn’t mean it’s not K-pop-y, it’s still K-pop either way. They sing in Korean, under a Korean company and are native Koreans, therefore it’s K-pop. They have done other songs like this as said in the video so it’s nothing new, along with other groups doing ‘different’ concepts like this. Comments that say things like that is really stereotyping kpop, and what happened to ‘different’ is good, but when a group does a unique concept it’s the worst thing ever? The choreo: Although 17 is a miner, people need to stop babying her, seventeen year olds are mature and shouldn’t be treated like they are an infant, she’s 17 not 10. Of topic but when I was ten I did a lot worse dancing and wore small crop tops. I get that she was in front of a crowd but teens in high school preform a lot worse things. Also no mater what in the entertainment industry you will be sexualised no mater what you do! How old you are, what you were or how you dance. It happens to everyone, everyday and there is no way to really stop this, even changing the choreo or outfit won’t do much. ( its disgusting ) She signed up to being an idol which means preforming in front of people, which basically guarantees someone sexualising you. Overall I do wish people would just do research before assuming things, and I hope people will stop getting mad at the groups because it’s the company’s who do this. Thanks for reading (if you did) this is all my opinion, so if you disagree that’s fine cause everyone has a different opinion, thanks for your time Bye 💗💗

@laviecestenrouge

3 ай бұрын

Girl it was a church search it up, the church became popular due to its beautiful architecture. They still worship God and Bible studies etc…

@Cchloeelovesssblackpink

3 ай бұрын

@@laviecestenrouge 1:25

@laviecestenrouge

3 ай бұрын

@@Cchloeelovesssblackpink i literally did my info, stop believing everything u see online n search it up for urself

you just spoke with the mf truth🗣🔥💥

ofc it was the unoriginal channel that uses a loquendo voice🙄

@eunvaise

3 ай бұрын

what are you talking about

@user-gt9cz6lg1t

3 ай бұрын

@@eunvaise girl/boy just admit le sserafim has been problematic, maybe some people are overreacting but you're clearly being biased towards them

@user-ny7kr2uk1g

3 ай бұрын

aint no way ur THAT shit brained..@@user-gt9cz6lg1t

@eunvaise

3 ай бұрын

@@user-gt9cz6lg1tevery kpop group is problematic, what now 💀

@user-gt9cz6lg1t

3 ай бұрын

@@eunvaise and you say that with pride?? whoever manages le sserafim, whoever directed this mv and whoever composed the song are very wrong for this.

Anyways, live laugh love leslayrafim