I'd prefer a squad overhaul than a new manager.

@Fresh0710

Ай бұрын

So Ten Hag can buy more Antonys, Mounts and Casemiros??

@nickthesportlover

Ай бұрын

@@Fresh0710 there’s hopefully a better structure behind the scenes now to ensure better scouting, recruitment and negotiating. You can’t blame the manager for overspending on players that’s up to the club. Who says Casemiro and Mount were ETH’s choices.

@XboneMalone

Ай бұрын

@@Fresh0710 He didn't go out to shops and buy them though did he. Wanted FDJ and a striker 1st season, didn't get either. Recruitment panicked and he got Casemiro & Antony (knew he could carry out the tactical/defensive requirements, clearly gambled on him stepping up attacking wise). Didn't say pay all the money for Mount, and didn't foresee him being injured all season either!

@Fresh0710

Ай бұрын

@@XboneMalone Recruitment panicked?? Who is “recruitment” actually?? Buying Antony is one of the biggest abominations of premier league history and everyone on this channel wants to sweep these type of things under the rug. United will not win anything as long as there is a lack of accountability. Ten Hag has not been good enough. End of story.

@Fresh0710

Ай бұрын

@@nickthesportlover All the transfer decisions are Ten Hag’s What about Antony???? Elanga>Antony. Imagine

Media has never liked ETH from day 1. And they sell more with negative stories and sacking

@Ten-Heisenberg99

Ай бұрын

They haven’t liked any manager since SAF; it’s not exclusive to Ten Hag. As you said, negative stories about United sell, because rival fans eat it up.

@joey1547

Ай бұрын

We finished in the worst position in our Premier League history

@EnshroudedLad

Ай бұрын

​@joey1547 We've finished 12th before mate 😂. We've been relegated too by the way

@keyboardwarriorsaint

Ай бұрын

Not true! They supported him for 1.5 years and have only started being critical of him in the past few months, as have most united fans and rightly so. We have been generally appalling all season, with problem after problem, bad performances and results every week, so I'm not quite sure what else you expect from the media establishment.

@phatbi971

Ай бұрын

@@EnshroudedLadso you’re justifying failure?

The irony is of eth wasnt our manager and he was still at ajax he would likely be our no 1 target

@Matts-gv6nz

Ай бұрын

The only manager beside ten hag that I fancied was julian nagelsmann and that's it, I thought about Zidane but the club hasn't been ran well enough to really support him.

@Killerslime-vk5uv

Ай бұрын

​@@Matts-gv6nzhe can't even speak English and he's a pep guardiola type of manager. He needs a established team to succeed he won't rebuild a team

@Matts-gv6nz

Ай бұрын

​@@Killerslime-vk5uvOnce upon a time all of europe thought ten hag was a pep guardiola type of manager.

@user-zc2sz1os3j

Ай бұрын

Which just shows how little 'football experts' know about football. How many Dutch managers have done well in the PL?

@Killerslime-vk5uv

Ай бұрын

@@user-zc2sz1os3j How many Scottish Managers made it in the league? No logic.

reasons to keep him. a) there's no better out there atm. b) he's not afraid to get rid of the divas. c) 3 finals in two years is not bad considering the mess we're in d) at the end of next season you won't have to pay millions in compensation to get rid e) next season we can judge him with the new club structure, hopefully propper backing, propper scouting, and hopefully less injuries f) new manager= back to square one, we'll get a new manager bounce but ultimately back in the same situation in a couple years time reasons to get rid: a) he keeps picking anthony its pretty clear to me

@shafer.chris.2244

Ай бұрын

reasons to get rid poor man management poor in game adjustment poor in game subs doesn't train the players bends the rules for his favorites, enforces on some lead united to worst place in standings ever 8th minus 1 goal difference in season 14 losses record for united Ten Hag record Gaslights the fan base and media 2 years in United have barely made any progress towards ETH tactics and game style bad player ID smug level of stubbornness has let him down 7-0 against liverpool 6-1 against city. and many more.... now since u stated new manager = starting all over, well HELLO.... that's seems like the right decision since we are trying to get rid of almost all the players and have a total new owner running the football at the club. obviously they should bring in their guy, now if that's ETH fair enough. however, with de zerbi, Zidane, Pochetino, tuchel all available, I dont understand why they would stick with ETH

@shafer.chris.2244

Ай бұрын

It's also funny how you say he deserves another season with proper backing scouting structure and hopefully less injuries, and then immediately say if we get a new manager we will revert back to the same situation in a couple seasons?? how's the work? is ineos going to back ETH, or the new manager or aren't they? so you put all that faith in ineos to do what they say, but immediately believe they wouldn't back the manager, develop structure scout proper with a new manager at the helm. just day it man you love ETH and nothing he could do is gonna make you want him gone. it's fine man but at least be honest with your takes

@thebiglebrowski3695

Ай бұрын

A: Yes, there is. Flick, Nagelsmann, Alonso, Inzaghi, Lopategui, Spalletti, Zidane, Emery. There are tons of managers better than him. Some of them might say no but definitely not all of them. B: He got rid of the wrong players. He disrespected and outted club legends while keeping the dross. C: When you finish 8th, it really is. He spent half a billion. Top four is the bare minimum. A few luxky cup runs don't negate that. D: You will lose out on UCL money when he finishes outside the top 4 again, though. E: Yeah cos 450m and the ability to choose we sign and get rid of isn't proper backing 😂. He has had backing, it is naive and delusional to pretend otherwise F: Square One is better than three squares back, which is where Ten Hag has us. For a real list of reasons to get rid: A: Terrible recruitment B: Terrible tactics C: Terrible game management D: Terrible man management E: No charisma F: He finished eighth H: He can't keep people fit. His training causes injuries. I: He doesn't have a single redeeming quality as a manager. Seems pretty clear to me. If we keep him then god help us. He is in out of his depth and it is clear for all but our deluded fans. He is the worst manager since Fergie, including Moyes.

@Infernus25

Ай бұрын

Also the fact that Ajax has struggled since he's departed is a telling sign that he played a large role in their success

@roughwalkers

Ай бұрын

​@@shafer.chris.2244 doesnt train the players? Is a weekly 8 mile run not training to you? Erm ok wow Whats considered training then? Are you a regular at carrington?

I think Ten Hag is at the forefront of a necessary culture change. His hardline with Ronaldo, and Sancho showed a tremendous amount of character and leadership that the badge comes first. I think the knocks on his recruitment are fair and hopefully Dan Ashworth fixes some of that, and his tactical stubbornness I think has a lot to do with injuries. Overhaul the squad first, keep Ten Hag, and if all those pieces coming together don't make an improvement then you move on.

"No one has got a clue, what's going to happen to EtH" - good to see that the leaks from the club have started to slow down. The leaks at OT next? 😅

@Matts-gv6nz

Ай бұрын

Maybe because the players are expecting ten hag to be sacked, I wouldn't put it past them.

@matthewbaker2573

Ай бұрын

What leaks 😂 you actually believed the media 😂

@JamesMIrby

Ай бұрын

Ten hag is way out if his league in the epl. Face it like a man and not a zombie like Brent's flock.

Us finishing the worst ever spot in premier league is a bigger story than city doing 4 in a row - we’re always gonna be a bigger clubb

@Caskchap

Ай бұрын

City doing 4 on the bounce is much like Lance Armstrong winning 7 tours on the bounce. A fantastic achievement.

@JamesMIrby

Ай бұрын

I wish I could agree but until they are proven guilty they are innocent. I hope they are proven guilty.

I am keeping Ten Hag all day long….It’s about time we stick to a manager give him the time resources and the grip to take us to the next level. Get rid of the rotten players 🙏🏼

@StephenC1908

Ай бұрын

We are on a downward trajectory over the past 18 months. If we keep him another season we will finish behind Palace, West Ham and Brighton next season. They are our main competitors now. The traditional top 6 are way better than us and have better managers.

@MikosSparta

Ай бұрын

@@StephenC1908u clearly have no experience what u talkin about. Look how Klopp performed previous year. Outraged and they sticked to him and did better this year

@StephenC1908

Ай бұрын

@MikosSparta Klopp didn't finish last in the UCL group. Klopp didn't finish 8th with a -1 goal difference. Klopp had a style of play. Klopp won everything in club football at Liverpool. Klopp didn't spend as much as ETH since ETH joined United. I hate Klopp, but don't compare him to ETH.

@MikosSparta

Ай бұрын

@@StephenC1908 man what u sayin, ten hag only second year as manutd trainer..😂 he already won efl cup and 4th in the league. This year was only worse due injuries not otherwise

@StephenC1908

Ай бұрын

@MikosSparta He finished 8th in the league with a -1 goal difference and bottom of UCL group. Wake up, it's 2024!

I’m not sure to be honest. What has really gone wrong this season. The fact we only got one striker, martial is always injured, no real cover for Shaw. We lack depth in the squad. The club has been run like a circus for years. It should help with not being in Europe next season, where depth in the squad should less of an issue. I remember us before we were relegated and it gave the Doc time o change the squad, we came back so refreshing, Tommy Doc team where exciting because he was given time to rebuild, still think he would have won the league if he not been sacked because he fell for the coaching staff wife. I still don’t see anyone out there better than Eric myself. So keep ETH. Glory Glory Man Utd

@grahamrichardson7851

Ай бұрын

Spot on! .

@neilthornton3544

Ай бұрын

Yes please!! More long balls and transitional football on steroids!! More continental Pulis ball!! More low posession and players injured in high intensity sprints chasing the ball !!

@Caskchap

Ай бұрын

Martial hasn’t done a tap for years injured or not.

If finishing 8th is acceptable as a United manager then this club is fucked.

@SimonWhitworth

Ай бұрын

Funny, the "standards" brigade arent banging that drum now it's not Ole....

@lancerevo9747

Ай бұрын

​@@SimonWhitworthbecause most fans have learned to give the manager time. It's not that hard to understand. Ten Hag is the beneficiary of the sacrifices of Ole and Jose.

@grahamallan101

Ай бұрын

Club has been fucked for 10 years. If we keep sacking managers half way through a rebuild then we’ll keep repeating the same cycle. The definition of insanity, keep doing the same shit and expecting a different result.

@SimonWhitworth

Ай бұрын

@@grahamallan101 So the sane option is to reward the guy who's literally led us to our worst season in almost 50 years a new contract?

@SimonWhitworth

Ай бұрын

@@lancerevo9747 Which is madness because you all want to give time to a manager who hasnt achieved or shown a 10th of what either of those did.

I stand by Ten Hag. The team is still on a transition. As professionals the owners would have him sacked a month ago if they were gonna get someone else. It would have been easier on everyone to have him sacked during a turmoil as the fans would have been sitting on the fence. They will give him another year with at least 3 signings because Ten Hag is renown to unearth talents as he had shown in the past. After 2 years at the club, His U18s stand as a testament to that.

Erik ten Haag had to deal with 1)Ronaldo Interview ( Not signed by Erik ) 2)Greenwood saga ( Not signed by Erik ) 3)Maguire captaincy ( Not signed by Erik) 4)Sancho Twitter post ( Not signed by Erik ) 5)Rashford Nights out 6)Antony Girlfriend Claims ( player sign by Erik) 7)TAKEOVER SAGA 8)Media Abuse by The sun, BBC, TEAMtalk, SKYSPORTS 9)Most Importantly, 60+ separate injuries and still knocked out Liverpool out of FA Cup and drew 2-2 two weeks after on 7th of April 10)Last season played beautiful football with not many signings given to him without Dan Ashworth and Beranda So please @Fabrizio Romano can you please send a clear message to the Ineos Owner that deciding Erik Ten Haag’s future on FA cup day without his full squad is Utterly disgraceful especially trying to replace him with Gareth southgate is utterly disrespectful. Fans should open their eyes that Sir Jim Ratcliffe has eyes and brains of football but wants to protect his british views along the way.

How on earth can we even be discussing a new contract for him off the back of our worst season in HALF A CENTURY?! It's madness, theres no way what so ever we should be even thinking about it at this point, the bollocks on the guy to think he deserves a new deal after this season is ALMOST admirable if he wasnt such a garbage manager.

@sagethinker7168

Ай бұрын

Shows how far the standards of the club have fallen he should of been sacked months ago after the champions league debacle and the fact some people want to give him another season is a joke

@SimonWhitworth

Ай бұрын

@@sagethinker7168 Yep, I get the whole manager loyalty schtick but there HAS to be a limit. To even suggest a guy who in any other season couldve realistically had a chance of getting us relegated (the metrics suggest this) should be not only given more time but a new contract is absolute madness to the nth degree.

I just don't see enough in what Ten Hag has done this season to say that he has the capacity to take the club forward. I just don't see it. A lot of the poor players are his players. This season, which should have been a kick on from the first season's successes, has been nothing short of a disaster. The first season should have been the disaster. We massively overperformed thanks to Rashford deciding he wanted to get paid. It was a lot like Ole's second full season; sure, we came high in the league, but there were clearly massive problems that needed sorting. And now we've wasted a season, and it looks for all the world like we're running into Ole's final season again; a summer of optimism, a couple of early successes, and then the wheels fall off and we're in a mess by November. I'm not happy, and I don't want to be Ten Hag Out. But if the alternatives are waste another season and let him run out his contract, or watch him get sacked in November and waste another season, then the time to pull the trigger on him is now.

EtH is not an easy person to like, his communication skills are awful, even accounting for the injuries it’s difficult to see what the team is attempting to do, but we can’t just keep replacing Managers. No new contract let him see out the final year and make a considered decision then.

@Killerslime-vk5uv

Ай бұрын

It's good that you back him but I genuinely wonder what type of pattern of play you want to see with the injuries we've had. Even last season when we finished 3rd we played way better but we still didn't play ten hags ball. So this season hasn't been a surprise to me. He's not perfect but he needs another season

@huna1950

Ай бұрын

Sadly he’s horrendous with the empathy communication and above all likability and respect He’s a gonner No top top player would sacrifice another top club to play for him

@SimonWhitworth

Ай бұрын

Most unlikeable, cold, arrogant manager I've ever seen.

@damonetaylor8602

Ай бұрын

@@Killerslime-vk5uvthat’s a bs argument. If he has a style of play then regardless of the players available he should be able to play it. Van gaal had a style of play and even when academy players were in the team it was the same style. Other managers have injuries this season just as bad if not worse than United and they still have a style of play.

@MichaelEnright-gk6yc

Ай бұрын

United can always let him go at the xmas break if things get worse and our win record is poor.

I’m sorry but the idea of giving ETH another transfer budget terrifies me. Remember this guy wanted to sign Arnautovic.

@BM-qn6fg

Ай бұрын

He wanted Kane. The board told him he could have Arnautovic!

@oceanedgemediang8549

Ай бұрын

Did you have a striker? You want him to perform miracles with what he has?

@guesswho5905

Ай бұрын

@@oceanedgemediang8549 I would've just used Sancho as a false 9 like he was doing in preseason. Arnautovic is problematic to bring into the dressing room.

@BM-qn6fg

Ай бұрын

@@guesswho5905 sancho! That clown is a waste of space. Leave him in the farmers league.

🚨 Reasons Poch is THE ideal man: - Has PL experience* - Plays attractive football - Proven to be a top coach making players better - Has the charisma and personality to handle superstars, young players and press - Familiar with the ‘head coach’ role - Has prior relationship with INEOS Besides Pep and Klopp (virtually impossible) there isn’t a manager in world football who could come in and galvanise this squad of players and has the ‘pedigree’, tactics and personality to win shit.

@jwashington54

Ай бұрын

*Yes, he may not have won the prem yet but having the experience at big clubs is a major advantage. Having gone head to head with the top coaches in the league, he will have assessed what the evolution in their teams are and how United could capitalise on (hopefully) having no European football next season.

Might be your best analysis/video to date. Good one mate

You know it’s the club and team when there is literally other top teams waiting for him to get scaled to take him

He deserves another season, at least under a new regime above him. I think at the very least, he deserves that much.

@FIRELINK75

Ай бұрын

why?

@danika181263

Ай бұрын

Because he had a great first season, and that was without the right structure above him. He's had a huge amount to deal with, apart from over 64 injuries/illnesses, in my opinion he deserves until the end of his contract.

@dcpln7

Ай бұрын

dont put too much hope in this new regime.... seems like Glazers' puppet now.

Erik ten Hags management has been abysmal all season. The mitigating factors are no excuse for our weekly dire performances. He has thrown away this season for his ideological purity. That shows a manager who can’t adapt. Erik ten Hag has to share blame with the transfer policy (during his tenure) and the volume of injuries. His contract gives him say on transfers. We have heard all season we overtrain and then we get loads of non contact muscle injuries.

As callous as it sounds, one game shouldn't decide if Ineos keep him or not. Even if the 10% happens and we win the FA cup. We need to take emotions out of it. EtH has been tactically naive throughout the season. His man-management has been poor and his "talent ID" has been atrocious.

@matthewbaker2573

Ай бұрын

You clearly don't watch the games if that's what you think

@Zeppelin180

Ай бұрын

@@matthewbaker2573Wait a minute. Does that mean you watch the games every week and see tactical brilliance and great football?

@matthewbaker2573

Ай бұрын

@@Zeppelin180 I see a manager who's had to line up 14 different CBS pairings this season due to injuries to players in that position including his first choice CB who's only appeared 10 times this season. That's an average of 4 games per set. If you don't understand how important stable partnerships are playing football, you know nothing about the game

@-_-DatDude

Ай бұрын

@@matthewbaker2573 I wanted EtH to prove me wrong since I started to have doubts on him. Ive watched all our games Matt, yes your right we've been plagued with injuries but Chelsea and Newcastle had more games missed and a higher total injury count than us. Both Newcastle and Chelsea finished above us Matt... Let that sink into your skull pal. We can't keep using injuries as an excuse for EtH. He's not the guy to take us forward. There's no style of play. He's done £400m+ here and hasn't drastically improved our first 11 with that money. I genuinely question your love for this club if you still back EtH.

@matthewbaker2573

Ай бұрын

@@-_-DatDude Chelsea and Newcastle have had those injuries spread over different positions. So they've had cover. So that defies your logic there 🤦‍♂️ To say he hasn't improved the team is horseshit. 3 domestic cup finals out of a possible 4. Had mainoo not been injured pre season, he would have started from game 1. Had Martinez not been injured, United's defence would have been far better organised. If Shaw and Malacia weren't injured, he'd have a left sided defender to use, not have to rotate 2 right sided players. If you don't back your manager/players when they have a bad run, especially when it's because of something out of their control. You ain't a real fan, you are plastic !

Injuries is a problem that needs to be addressed, and I believe the coaching is possibly partially to blame. But it’s one of a group of factors. 1. The match schedule 2. Added time referee directive 3. Coaching United like they are Ajax There are too many games. UEFA and FIFA want to create MORE games to rake in that TV money the Premier League have demonstrated is out there. Not to sound like a Klopp-apologist, but he’s partially right about how TV has too much influence on when matches take place. Anecdotally speaking, the top clubs in Europe have their federations bending over backwards to reduce this burden, whereas in England it’s the entire opposite. Real and Barcelona routinely have matches scheduled in the evenings, even on weekends. I imagine there is some good data out there on how consistent timing it’s important in maintaining optimum performance. When clubs are trying to manage their players even down to their sleep cycles, the erratic nature of match start times in England surely puts our clubs at s disadvantage compared to their European counterparts. Teams in England have more competitions to play than their near peers in Europe. The League Cup (as the FA Cup is pure history and therefore more important) needs to go in some shape to reduce the schedule. For the top teams it can be four or more additional matches a season, critically compressed into the schedule when European teams are resting in the winter. Solution? Premier League teams must field their Premier League 2 squads in those games. Problem solved. Added time this season. It amounts to an additional 10 minutes of play in each match. That’s 380 minutes a season, more than 4 whole matches. Bruno Fernandes can run 10km in a game. That’s an extra 40km on the clock potentially. Coaching like we’re Ajax. Considering the additional cup competition in comparison to the other European leagues, what about the size of those leagues? Ajax play in an 18 team league. That’s 4 fewer matches a season. If you’re keeping up with the maths, that’s 12+ matches extra a season by virtue of playing in England alone. 120km on Bruno’s tyres. But why mention the coaching? I think Ten Hag coaches us like we have that shorter schedule. I don’t think he has reduced the intensity of his training sessions to account for that. The players are knackered. Too many are 30+ and more prone to injuries. That’s not a purely a Ten Hag problem. It’s a legacy of recruitment over the last decade. But he’s fielding the fallout. Essay written. Probably won’t be read, but there’s a lot of problems that United could be leading the fights against.

@5on-of-Fire

Ай бұрын

World Cup

Given the speed at which Ratcliffe has moved on everything else, I’m 99% certain the decision on the manager has already been made. My gut is he stays. It’s silly to think that they’re still 50/50 on what to do; they dont strike me as a team who make rash decisions on the back of a single game.

The toxicity and disloyalty among united fans is scary. I think no coach will ever be accepted only if that coach wins a treble in he’s first season 😅

How do you know they haven’t decided? Fans are too used to everything getting leaked out the club. They complain about it when it happens and now go crazy assuming nothing is happening when it doesn’t.

Why keep a Managaer if there are so many questions unanswered. That is not a long term solution required at the club. Hence, he should be changed.

Even if we were playing Hull City, not Manchester City, I'd still expect to concede 20 shots and ultimately get beat.

Definitely not Poch.... I think EtH to be given an additional year, with the new sporting staff to play a key role in procurement - so that it all doesn't crash when a manager leaves.

@iainsteele5737

Ай бұрын

how does the sporting staff stop him playing a stupid system that just doesn’t and will never work in the PL, or training players into the ground?

@thesmithsnerd

Ай бұрын

Poch is class, Poch has always been the guy, I’ve been calling it since 2017. What he done with Espanyol, Soton & Spurs was very impressive. The way he had them playing, his youth development skills, the freedom of expression he gives his players, his suave, his charisma, they’re all Man Utd characteristics. Some managers, and some players just fit certain clubs, and he fits Man Utd, I’ve always believed it. I never fancied him at PSG or Chelsea, because historically they’re authoritarian led clubs, suited to a Conte, a Jose, an Enrique, a Diego Simeone would be a textbook Chelsea manager, Poch however was never that hard line or rigid, he’s far more flamboyant is his style of play, gives his players much more freedom, that’s what Man Utd is all about.

@thomasgundersen8975

Ай бұрын

What has he done to deserve another year ?

@illuminatusdeus3051

Ай бұрын

@thomasgundersen8975 1 cup win and 2 Cup finals in 2 years?

@thomasgundersen8975

Ай бұрын

@@illuminatusdeus3051 I think you know that winning the carabao which big teams often down prioritize and the FA cup is not excactly the bread & butter. PL and playing in the CL is. He failed miserable in both unfortunately.

Dalot backs Ten Hag publicly... "We look to him as our leader. Normally this is what leaders do; they always take the bullets for everyone. But make no mistake about it, don’t misunderstand it - we take responsibility for what we do on the pitch," Dalot told reporters. "Obviously he tries to give his best, we try to give our best. But this is the type of connection that we need to have, with players and with the manager and we have a good connection with him. And he’s been an amazing manager in terms of trying to put us back on top."

Ten Haag no favourites you say? Antony has been picked all season despite 1 goal. Amad meanwhile sat on the bench until now.

Im not against replacing him, but now isnt the right time. If the plan is to replace him let's use next season to build the things in place for his successor

@phatbi971

Ай бұрын

That won’t help us because he plays shit football

@StephenC1908

Ай бұрын

We could finish in the bottom half of the table next season with Palace, Brighton, and West Ham bringing in new managers. That's who we are competing with now under this manager.

@ctb1977

Ай бұрын

@StephenC1908 I agree we could finish poorly next season. The question is will changing manager make much of a difference?

@danielglasgow8163

Ай бұрын

So you want to give him a ton of money for it maybe not work and then have less to spend at say xmas to bring in the new managers players?

@ctb1977

Ай бұрын

@@danielglasgow8163 No, because we wouldn't "give" Ten Hag any money, the backroom stuff would make transfer decisions with the long-term strategy in mind. ETH may have some input, but if we've learned anything, we will make transfers now to benefit us in the future regardless of who's the manager

I hate the “you spent a billion you should have a better squad” argument because the same people will then say we overspent on Antony, maguire, etc. which means that no we shouldn’t be better because we overpaid for players. You can’t have it both ways

If people don’t want De Zerbi they’re just visiting this planet. Since 2013 the biggest thing we’ve missed on the field (mainly the organization is to blame) has been a distinct identity that meets the definition of modern football. ETH has been the closest we’ve had but it’s extremely hard to understand what we’ve been doing in training come match day. Injuries have been a nightmare but Dutch managers rarely succeed in England. For me, the structure we use to play from the back (when we try) is shocking, even at full strength. We need a coach that teaches players how to play confidently in their vision. RDZ is a phenomenal coach when it comes to a beautiful brand working with a much more limited squad player by player. I’m numb at this point to united, we’ll be an mba case study one day based on the horrendous downfall we’ve had. Would love RDZ to have 4 years to change how we play, then evaluate him on the brand not the league position. We need to stop looking at that.

Unfortunately, most fans that want Ten Hag to stay is because they don't want Potter/Southgate, NOT because they want Ten Hag as the manager. That's not a reason to keep him.

Keep Ten Hag - Arteta’s 2nd season (with similar issues to what we’ve faced with player power etc) was 8th place and 61 points. We were 8th with 60 and no back four for 85% of the season. I believe in a better future with Ten Hag, he’s done a great job of connecting the youth set up to the first team, I can see a brighter future if we allow him to have one with a structure in place. But, as always, it isn’t our choice. Ineos will pick a manager in their image

If we sack him we go back to day 1, simple as that. He has had to deal with a lot since he was signed. He came out victorious over the likes of Ronaldo and Sancho. He has been the single driving force behind the change in culture of our club. Plus this season has been record breaking in-terms of injuries, and the squad dept was the main problem coming into this season. So now we all need to back him, and more importantly INEOS need to back this man. Atleast give him another season to earn his place.

I loved how Ten Hag came in and took control over a lot of bullshit that was hindering the squad. I loved how we played both sides of the Qatar world cup too, gave me a lot of hope. But since feb 23 we just haven't looked right. I have never been one to want a manager out but I just can't see why he deserves backing at this point . Yes we've had injuries, yes that hurt our progress but even with that we should still see his style of play and I don't think we have at any point. Some of his decisions, comments and tactics worry me, what will change next season? Can't keep doing the same things and expect different outcomes. Because all season we've done exactly that.

@wwpark

Ай бұрын

He needs to stay. Need to clear out another wave of players. Honeymoon is over and played true colours are coming out.

Injuries aside I’m not convinced about ETH agility in thinking, planning and execution. Every manager has to adapt and he’s said he won’t. That worries me

@Stan.k.Phlaps6447

Ай бұрын

Absolutely. He came with a reputation for being obsessed with details and planning yet every team he's put out this season has looked seriously unprepared. He's failed to adapt during games or between games. We are still playing the same way at the end of the season as we did against wolves at the start. Didn't work then, still doesn't.

Let’s see an overhaul with all the players in for a training pre season, where they understand what they are supposed to be doing. Too many players obviously not doing what they’re supposed to. You could make a good case to replace all back four starters apart from Martinez and obviously new defensive midfielder. Added to this every forward has to track / tackle back or F off. In so many positions they need to make decisions and get people out of the club - but they have to do it immediately after the season ends.

@thomasgundersen8975

Ай бұрын

First the manager though.

Watching this and I see you have another one pop up saying he's going. I've got to go out for a dinner so can't watch it till later. Grrrr!

At the end of the day, after SAF Ten Hag has the highest win %, when you consider the massive injury issues, and the deadwood he inherited. He needs to be gauged against his own side. It was reported that when he was taken on by Woodward that he would be given time regardless of results as the club realised that they had to get off the manager merry go round of replacing a coach every 2 years! Last year he overachieved, this year under, however we have never had injuries like we've had! He needs a straight run, a decent off season, players back from injury, and getting the deadwood sold. Then buy based on value, no silly big named players, right now we need warriors not the icing on the cake. we need solid foundations. The FA cup final does not matter (Any final is a lottery, you can not base anything important on one match!) I'd love to win the cup, but my head is thinking we could do with losing, we need the mid weeks off so ETH gets time with his players. If he gets that time and relatively injury free season, we should end up top 4 at least. there would be no excuse.

I’ve always taken the “we’ll clarify after the FA Cup” as we don’t want to undermine ten Hag by announcing a successor before the final. If INEOS were going to stick with ten Hag, why not announce that before now. I guess they want some time to assess the position and get the new appointments (Berrada, Ashworth, Wilcox) in place to help assess also, but they must have enough information from Brailsford’s audit to understand what is working and what isn’t working, and if there is a better fit for the role out there.

I think the squad fell short this season, not the manager. Simple as that. He stuck to his direction despite the injury, rather than taking a pragmatic approach and it could be argued either way which would have been a better approach. Keep trying and progressing towards playing the way he wanted despite not having the defensive line available to do it or change tack and scrap the progress to accommodate the injuries.

People defend Erik when he got worse results than Ole in Premier League and in Europe competition having much better squad overall. Sure he got us to FA Cup final twice now, but that's it. Oh and he won Carabao Cup no-one cares about. There is something wrong with how Erik manages this team. We also don't even have defined style of play.

Fan support is much higher for Ten Hag than any other recent coach from fan's

If Sir Jim really meant what he said that no man could have succeeded with Man Utd's current structure, then they have to give Ten Hag one more season under a proper structure and with a better squad, one not decimated by injuries. Only then can we properly judge him on his output

100 percent keep him. It's only been bad this season because of the injuries we've had in major areas. Most managers that get injuries usually struggle. He had his best team last season and finished 3rd with 2 finals and trophy. He's had a lot of issues to deal with on and off the pitch. Most of the time we play games he only has like 3 players that he's signed on the pitch. Wait till he's got a full 11 of his own on a consistent basis.

I kind of agree with the Muppetiers arguement that if you are keeping Ten Hag, you have to give him a new deal because you believe in him as the leader of this project. if you don't believe in him as the leader for the next three years--then it really makes no sense to just let it continue on. It's normal for new ownership to want their guy. Nothing personal or new. There's no reason any of the candidates we are linked with can't do just as good or better job than Ten Hag has done. Especially if they're going to be backed. So whoever comes in, it's fine. It's so much drama over something that at the end of the day....next season we will just have a coach. No reason to obsess over it. If the coach hits the metrics, keep them. If they don't, you sack them. In the modern system we are building the manager as some one man savior is fast departing.

We have had so much bad luck with, var and general ref decison plus injuries, that we didn't have run going to build confidence in the squad, game against Copenhagen is the example in that case we were on top of them and then var red to marcus and everything went to s***, so sticking with ETH is the best at this moment

Regarding not mention whether ETH stays or not and waiting for after the final. It could be just avoid any noise affecting Final Preparations. Would prefer him to stay and rip squad apart. But wouldn't be surprised if new manager announced after the final.

For me, I don’t think it should be about the result in the cup final for Ten Hag, but we at least need to see something from the game. Some positives to allow us to believe that he can be the man to take us forward. Especially considering the options that have come into the manager market in the last couple of weeks.

I think giving him another contract doesnt make sense right now. Let him see out his current one, if he has a good season, he can be rewarded later on. There's no rush to give him a new contract.

@Zeppelin180

Ай бұрын

That approach never works.

@IAmConorr

Ай бұрын

Players will continue to throw him under the bus knowing he won't get a new contract if they do, It'll just be like Rangnicks tenure.

@neilthornton3544

Ай бұрын

Uncertainty over the job since Xmas . If he stays it has to be on a new long contract or it will be uncertainty ALL season

@Stan.k.Phlaps6447

Ай бұрын

It'll be hard to convince quality players to sign for a manager in his final year - especially after finishing 8th. Plus, I doubt he'll get the best out of the players we already have if they know he's leaving. It's either back him or sack him - and I don't want to waste another season.

The problem is transparency if there is messages to tell us this is the plan. Sadly we need to know if it's a 5 year plan or we try to perform right now.

we need to stick to one manager for at least 4 seasons like Arsenal did and Liverpool did , people are talking about we don't see a playing style , we will see it if our players don't get injured all the time

Only way to make sense of ten hags incident press conferences and unwillingness to change tactics the 2nd half of the season is that either A) he was taking a piss out of the British sporting press (which, let’s be honest, they deserve it) or B) he was given some sort of assurance re: job security by Ineos

@lemons1986

Ай бұрын

Either way, should find out pretty soon. Ineos are unlikely to dwell on their decisions the way the glazers did

I think the decision has been made, but they are waiting until after the Cup Final to write the press release, which will look totally different depending on the result.

The only thing I can take away from this discussion is that it's going to take a long time to get back to competing for titles. Hopefully ineos are willing to build a solid foundation, and not just go for quick fixes.

I believe it's pretty simple this: If MU have already got a target in mind for long term, then they should part with ETH and hire the new guy. If they're still focusing on making everything in the background click, then stick with ETH for a bit longer, it's much better than some short term fix and then repeat the cycle the club has been in for years.

In my opinion, there've been too many bad decisions over the season to justify Ten Hag keeping his job. All the drama with numerous players, a very questionable talent id and only bringing in players from his contact list resulting in shocking transfers. No structure in or out of possession even though he's shaped the team for 2 years. Very little game management. I think about 15 shots conceded per game without making any changes in the set up or tactics throughout the season. Negative goal difference. Benching Amad for Forson. The shady work going on with his sons agent agency. etc. It's important to not only look at the results (because we're not as good as we like to think we are) but the trajectory of where things our going. Right now, I think we're heading for relegation within 5 years if this continues. He might feel he's been hard done by, but he has to go.

Ste, you're a clever enough lad to know that this kind of decision has very likely already been made but the way INEOS/Trawlers have functioned since February when they arrived, means they play things close to their chest. The FA Cup result is inconsequential and likely will have a negliable impact on the final say on EtH's future. I would expect an announcement during the week after the final one way or the other.

l totally agree with you, we have to start the rebuild now, cause keeping him and then fire him later will certainly take us backwards again, and l dont think he have the steel to take us forward, yes he have had injuries but we dont have a pattern of play, tha worries me alot because we should have a way of playing regradless of having injuries or not

Whats that Green light pulsing in the bottom right there Ste? 😁

After having talking with Ratcliffe. et al. ETH is likely asking for at least 2 years added to the one he has left… the goal being to showing what he can do with a solid structure behind him. Having to choose all the players with NO ONE to help with scouting is obviously why he mostly chose players he knows something about. The reason why wages were inflated for these players was due to Joel Glazer having final say on ALL players coming into the club. Unless there is someone so outstanding to replace him, ten Hag should get an extension.

I'm looking at the bigger picture. ETH has no tactical flexibility. His acquisitions have been extremely poor. 80 million for Anthony is the prime example. Onana isn't a good enough keeper. Mount peaked 2 years ago. Casimiero is past it. Amrabat was too slow. ETH might not be going anywhere at the moment but when Ratcliffe has completed his analysis he will come to the inevitable conclusion that ETH isn't the man for the job. You say these players have sacked several managers. In that case it's up to the manager to be flexible and get the most out of them given their limitations. ETH isn't doing this. He's asking them to do things they can't do. Doing the same thing and expecting different results is the definition of insanity. ETH has had issues to deal with. So do most managers. That's the job. The glaring problem is mentality and that's a managers job to sort out. He isn't doing it.

Honestly, I don't think Ten Hag should be the focus this summer. People are underestimating the immensity of work needed over the next year. We are going into this summer with a new board, new CEO, new football directors, new staff and we are trying to shift the whole team out to get new players. I don't think we should be trying to find a new coach as well. If we are to sack Ten Hag, IMO it should be because we have a new strategic direction and we have a good idea of the man to coach in that new structure. Now, I don't think we have that new structure, or game model, or even acquisition model, yet. So I think I would keep Ten Hag, not because he's done great but because we're still getting our house in order.

The big question to me would be if ten Hag can focus on being a coach, and give over signing power to these new back room folks. No one can do all that Fergie used to do for this club.

If he was going to go, the decision should have been made months ago. A candidate should be ready to go with a plan and a list of players he needs to turn it around.

When we play well like last season its enjoyable football. This seasons been LVG levels to slog through back ETH but if changes dont happen next season then thats it I reckon

He surely needs more time but im worried about the lack of playing stile, we get the ball to the final third and we just get stuck there passing it around until it gets intercepted, no vision, no attacking patterns... as if these guys never played together in their lives! Its frustrating just talking about it

I don't think it's based on his FA cup performance, I think they're probably probing other candidates, trying to see if we can find someone better under the current circumstances and will be deciding based on that. I personally would like him to stay.

With all injuries etc imo he deserves to c his contract out to c wot he can do n wiv few new signings but gotta be the right signings n honour his contract c how it rolls out but as I sed that's my opinion and I also would like to c him stay x

Scott Mctominay, Luke Shaw, Marcus Rashford. These are the players left from the old days. If there is a talk about bad culture and it's impact on the youth team, then it falls on the feet of the three names i just mentioned

It took Sir Alex 4 years.. let that sink in. Give Ten Hag time.

@lukekingsland4813

Ай бұрын

I agree with the basis of the sentiment but you to compare the two situations 35 years apart is quite wrong

There’s a lot wrong with this squad and I don’t think ETH should go, but I disagree that they need to announce their decision before the final. It becomes a distraction. And the cases that you mentioned, playing well and losing, or playing bad and winning are precisely why you’d want to wait. It’s a final, the stakes are higher and they can learn a lot about both players and management from the performance. Announcing the decision (either way) in the week following the final having considered all of it is probably the right call imho. It’s anxiety inducing for us, but probably a better tactic for the club.

The more there's no leaks, the more I feel it's because the new board wants Southgate, and Southgate requested to keep a tight lid to not disturb England preparations for Euro and that he will decide on the United job depending on the outcome of Euro. I really hope not, but I really feel it's bad that there's this eerie silence around ETH future.

It seems like fans are desperate and I get it, but at this point we’ve been waiting forever.. so if you’ve been patient for this long, I’m sure you can be a little bit more patient to see what ten hag does with the proper structure around him. Also I don’t get so depressed being a United fan because I love watching all football & I still get joy from that. We WILL be back to where we were…it’s not a matter of if, but when. I’m just glad INEOS is actually recruiting world class people into the clubs staff. That’s what gives me hope as a United fan. I still don’t like the glazers and never will but I guess they did do something right in a long time in appointing Sir Jim Ratcliffe and INEOS.

If we remember ETH first season, it was a bunch of scrappy wins with only a few good performances. Which is why some fans predicted the same luck wouldnt carry over to season 2 if we continued to play the same. His signings have also been bad and he constantly picks favourites so why give him a chance?

I think Man United should move on from ETH, I dont think hes a bad manager but I think things have fallen away from him. We've had out worst finish in decades and even then the underlying stats suggest we've overperformed to achieve this position. I could stomach this if in exchange for a poor season results wise we instead got many great performances and a clear playing style but we've been awful to watch all season and we get dominated by almost every team we play. Do I think ETH has been set up for success at United? Absolutely not, and in addition to that hes had to deal with all sorts of silly nonsense with players as well as an injury crisis. I have a lot of sympathy towards him but I also think that there must be an accountability for the fact that things just havent worked out. I think a lot of football is down to timing. Sometimes theres good timing and sometimes there is bad timing. I think if ETH was arriving this summer fresh from winning the Eredivisie at Ajax and arriving into the INEOS setup that would have been perfect, but now after two seasons I think things have deteriorated to a point where its unclear whether hes suitable even with the new setup. I would be happy for the new United board to identify one of the upcoming coaches ot there and give them a clean slate with a great setup above them, letting the coach do his job working on the team. Im a fan of many of these coaches like Motta, De Zerbi, Nagelsmann, Alonso, Amorim etc but Ill be honest and say I dont know who the man would be to take us forward, but I would trust that any new setup would have their own ideas for how United should play as well as the managers around Europe who could help us acheive that.

The reason the FA Cup is so important for INEOS is because if united lose the final it would 100% confirm united have no European football next year that's why they are waiting to sack him after final

tbf the tuchel problem with fallouts looks much worse than it actually is. he only fell out with psg and chelsea. had a good relationship with abramovic and todd boehly is …. . With psg, he was asked about many psg players being let go on free transfers and he voiced his concerns publicly then was sacked soon after with leonardo suggesting that was the case.

Keep keep keep. Third season would be a fair time to judge ETH. Regardless of the FA Cup results.

Klopp looked liked a failure after 24 months at Anfield. He now leaves being a cult hero. Give a manager 5 years to turn it around.

One issue is you talk like Ineos were the ones that hired him and they’d be going back on the reasons they hired him. They didn’t.

I would imagine Sir Jim made his decision weeks ago and 1 of 2 things is currently happening... 1- they've already told him he's staying. 2- they've already told him he's going with a full pay off and he's being professional about it, with a replacement already waiting in the wings. I find it extremely hard to believe that ETHs future depends on the result in the cup final. They will know what they want next season. I for 1, wouldn't be at all surprised if they gave the keys to Mourinho. Big name manager, successful almost everywhere he's been (spurs cough cough). He still has an affection for us and the only reason he left last time was Woodward and the glazers. If he's only dealing with Ineos, and gets full backing in the transfer market..... and to be honest.... If the choices are Mourinho Southgate Touchel or another young manager being hyped, I'd rather have Jose. Anyone else would get eaten alive by the press fans and the players. If Jose was gonna stick around anywhere and build his own dynasty, we're perfect for each other at the moment. (Ideally I'd love Ancellotti, but yeah, that's not happening anytime soon is it)

@Stan.k.Phlaps6447

Ай бұрын

We get it... Jose gives you a stiffy. Unfortunately, he's a relic now. One league title since he left Madrid and that was at Chelsea 9 years ago. He's failed miserably everywhere since then. He is the exact opposite of what we need now. He likes to buy big money, ready made, older players. We're investing in young potential now. You say he can handle big names.... when has he ever been able to do that??? That's his downfall every time.

Nothing to talk about. SJR and INEOS will either keep EtH for next season or end the relationship after the FA Cup Finals. Hopefully they smarten up and keep him. Otherwise, it's EtH to Bayern!! HERE WE GO!

Its a hard one steve , am 50 50 with eth cause hes had money to spend brought in Anthony whos been shit onana who we didnt need would of kept de gea brought in hojlund whos done good 16 goals in all competition and hes had so much pressure on him because no back up striker but let him see if he can turn it around our start over again maybe give him anthor chance and hopefully fully fit squard for next season

Ten hg can turn this around. I really believe so. players also didn't just give up on him....

I wouldn't either sack him or give him a new contract. I might give him another year and keep an eye on how McKenna gets on in the prem. I don't think ETH is solely responsible for the shambles but he's not doing great.

Liverpool 7 - 0 Man Utd Man City 6-3 Man Utd Brentford 4- 0 Man Utd Crystal P 4 - 0 Man Utd Man Utd 0 - 3 Bournemouth Sevilla 5-2 Man Utd (result after 2 legs, United concede 5 without response after leading by 2) United go out in group after losing to Copenhagen and Galatasaray.

Looking at it holistically ETH ain’t the man for the job.

@Ethiopianpiano

Ай бұрын

Thanks

Keep Ten Hag unless a well sorted coach is available for Man United. .. -No to pochettino! -No to the Ex Bayern coach Thomas!

Pochettino now or never, don’t blow it. The ETH apologists need to take a long, hard look at the seasons stats and if they don’t understand them, have someone who does, explain them. Shocking season and ETH can’t hide behind injuries as a shield. I wish him all the very best but at another club.

Yeah some of the signing haven’t worked, but that on the board not the manager. The board are there to say yes or no.

I can’t remember the last manager post Fergie who got backed two summers in a row

Main reason to keep ETH: Big Jim wants to replace him with Southgate

I don’t think his future is based on the FA Cup. Muppetiers has been saying for months his future will depend on his willingness to accept ... JUST ... being a coach. Having no large sway over transfers, which given his track record is vital.

@sagethinker7168

Ай бұрын

It's not about the cup it's about Europe if united lose the final that would mean united officially have no European football next year that's why INEOS are waiting until after the final to sack him

@danielberry4765

Ай бұрын

@@sagethinker7168 I don’t think that’s true.

Keep him to the end of his contract. He needs time

@StephenC1908

Ай бұрын

Needs time? He's had two years and he's made us worse in EVERY department.

If he’s to stay I want a written apology from ten hag for forcing me to watch Antony play so many times this season

Could it be a spinn from Ineos to talk up Southgate and Potter in the media just so the players buy into ETH? Then you’re removing player power, cause the players don’t see a better alternative. Really speculative, but would love it!