Troy’s performance during the porch scene is one of the best performances I’ve ever seen in any media. I still tear up thinking about that one line... “I’d like that”

@paigeroberts3034

4 жыл бұрын

Lol he says like four lines....MASTERPISS

@gleam6370

4 жыл бұрын

Paige Allison I was referring to the scene as a whole. But thank you for your brilliant input :D

@VideoGameMaster167

4 жыл бұрын

Paige Allison People really feel the need to push their negativity on others. Sad.

@betaubtesfaultier3607

4 жыл бұрын

@@paigeroberts3034 Four lines. Of course. Did you played the game?

@deliaproductions

4 жыл бұрын

Ha! Relax, watch more films please 🤠

Im so glad Neil addressed the Tommy criticisms. Tommy said those things in the theatre. Moments later he got shot in the leg with an arrow and shot in the back of the head. Then he, an injured Ellie and Dina had to travel back to Jackson. Jesse isn't coming, he got killed by Abby. So that alone is enough to change his tune. But a year or so passes and he's more than likely got his own PTSD and issues from what happened, if he wasn't injured theres no doubt he would not ask Ellie to go. But he cant. He's probably been obsessing over it, tearing his marriage apart. All stemming from Abby. And to him, Ellie is the only other person who could possibly have some idea of what he is going through. So he turns to her. So no, I don't think someone changing their mind and then lashing out in anger at a friend or family member is out of character. I feel a lot of us have lashed out for far less.

@sunnysied713

4 жыл бұрын

It's believable that Tommy would want revenge after becoming disabled and losing his wife. However, it's NOT believable that Ellie would abandon her family in the middle of the zombie apocalypse to go on a 1,024 mile, two month trip to Santa Barbara to seek revenge again. And, if Ellie was crazy enough to ditch them to kill more people to 'cure' her PTSD, then she'd surely follow through and be crazy enough to kill Abby.

@nitishthatte407

4 жыл бұрын

@@sunnysied713 With the barn scene and reading the journal, it's clear that Ellie still has severe PTSD, and you can't get therapy in the post-apocalypse, so it's not that strange that she'd go resume her revenge quest despite having a happy family in hopes to "cure" it. In her own words, "I don't sleep, I don't eat". Plus stubbornness is a big part of Ellie's character, so that just sells it even more. And yeah that she lets Abby go, is slightly strange, but at least the way they make her spare Abby has some thought and purpose and reason behind it. First off they make Abby malnourished and abused, so she becomes visually pitiable. Secondly they stick Lev with her, so seeing her take care of a child, makes it even more forgivable. And lastly while drowning Abby, Ellie sees an image of Joel alive for the first time since leaving the farm, and it's not just a random image, it's from a memory of her telling him she'd like to try to forgive him, reminding her that she's capable of forgiveness, and that's why she lets her go. And if Ellie had killed Abby, she would've become the same monster she saw Abby as, only to Lev. And Abby's entire playable section would've been pointless. I'm sorry it felt far-fetched to you, I'm just explaining why it worked for me.

@sunnysied713

4 жыл бұрын

@@nitishthatte407 Abby was in Santa Barbara, which is 1,044 miles away from Jackson. That's almost half the distance across the U.S. It would take two months to get there on horseback. So that's a very inconvenient revenge target. She's very far away and it would take very long to get there. In two months, Abby could be looooong gone. Sure, Ellie has PTSD, but her problems aren't MAJOR enough to push her to abandon her family to pursue revenge across the country. She didn't eat well, sleep well, had some panic attacks and some nightmares. Besides that, the writers showed her having a healthy relationship with Dina and J.J. (interacting and dancing) and she was doing a great job of helping run the farmstead (chores, taking care of the baby, etc). Ellie was never shown to be a physical threat to Dina and J.J.'s happiness. She wasn't portrayed as emotionally distant, depressed or non-functional. Dina was a very loving and caring wife who did everything possible to support her during her rough times. Give her an award. Ellie didn't have any MAJOR problems that compelled her to ditch the family... and try to cure her lack of appetite and sleep... by killing more people... and enduring more trauma. Ellie forgives/pardon/shows mercy towards Abby because 1) Abby looks pathetic, 2) Lev reminds her about her relationship with Joel and 3) a one second flashback scene pops into her head when she is trying to murder her most hated enemy. Abby turned her body into a living weapon to enact revenge upon Joel. Who cares if she lost her muscles and looked pathetic? Lol. Just because Abby looks pathetic, that doesn't mean Abby has earned forgiveness or Ellie should pity her. Abby is lucky that she lost all her gains - that shallow reason may have saved her life. Lev helped Abby infiltrate the theater house and ambush Ellie and her friends. He shot an arrow into Tommy's leg (which got him shot in the head and disabled) and he shot Ellie (pregnant girlfriend) in the shoulder. Lev was a conspirator and an enemy. Abby is lucky that she befriended Lev so that he could remind Ellie about her relationship with Joel. The flashback appears out of nowhere. Ellie has spent the whole game obsessing over revenge and, all of a sudden, she experiences a brief flashback while she's drowning Abby to within an inch of her life _(Spare Abby😇),_ which contradicts the previous flashback _(Kill Abby😠!!!)._ Ellie forced Abby to fight to the death by threatening to kill a child. They had a brutal fight where Abby bit off two of her fingers. There's no way anyone (besides a Saint) could forgive someone in the middle of a fight to the death. Ellie ain't no saint. There was no setup for Ellie's to spare Abby. The writers never show how she grows. There's no reflection, introspection, remorse or regret. She doesn't gain any perspective that allows her to 'forgive' Abby. Magical flashback? Sorry, but the ending was completely incongruous with the storytelling momentum and themes of revenge. The 'forgiveness' was shoehorned with a cheesy, biblical plot twist. Ellie's character turn was so sudden that it gave fans whiplash. The ending was so bipolar and unexpected that it needs medication. It was poorly executed (pun intended).😉

@nitishthatte407

4 жыл бұрын

@@sunnysied713 @Sunny Sied alright the stuff about the resumed revenge quest being inconvenient, sure, makes sense, but they had to add the Santa Barbara section to properly conclude Ellie's arc. The game's central theme is cycles of violence, Abby broke the cycle on her part when she let Dina and Ellie live despite losing 3 of her closest friends in less than 24 hours. Ellie never got to conclude her arc, she never had the upper hand in that fight, and there's no way she could have against abby, so they starved her. They couldn't have let Abby die by Ellie's hand, it would've made the entire Abby playable section pointless. So they chose to conclude Ellie similarly and have her gain the upper hand in a fight and spare Abby, this was their best option. And the three reasons I said made her spare Abby are at least something they tried to justify her sparing Abby. They could've easily just had her spare Abby without any reason or explanation but they did their best with what they could do. When your two main protagonists of a game are mortal enemies, you're gonna have some problems with concluding the game while keeping both of them in mind. And your point about Lev is somewhat convincing but he's literally a child and Ellie sees him that way too. She says "you made him a part of this", she knows Lev only shot Tommy and Dina because of Abby, that doesn't stop her from seeing herself reflected in him. And how would they even set up Ellie on a "forgiveness arc", and if they did, then there should've never been a round two of Ellie vs Abby. The only reason they had them fight again, was to have Ellie break the cycle on her own terms(and it's important because that's the central theme). Ellie can not forgive Abby, i don't know what kind of forgiveness arc you can write to do so, a bunch of cutscenes of Dina trying to talk her out of it? So since she can't forgive her, the only way to break the cycle is by having her spare Abby in a fight, you might think that her flashback of a living Joel is "magical", but it's the best they could've done to justify her sparing Abby. And again, if Abby dies, half the game becomes pointless. I know its not executed in the best way. But there isn't really much room for a perfect conclusion here. And it's not that it was lazy, it's just that they didn't have many options.

@lex_rodriguez

4 жыл бұрын

@@sunnysied713 You've clearly never been truly conflicted with your morality or felt a lack of closure in your life. If you have, it's even more baffling that you don't understand why everything that happens in the game is a truly realistic depiction of what these emotional conflicts can cause a person to do. I could explain it, but you're going to try and use logic and reason and those things do not go hand-in-hand with emotional distress. Either you get it and relate to the conflicts in the story, or you don't. Maybe in a few years you'll come back to this game and appreciate the story more.

Can people please use their brains and realize the actress played a role in a VIDEO GAME, you can hate the character in the game...but leave the actual real life person alone. She did nothing wrong..she did the job she was hired to do.

@sandrobsnake

3 жыл бұрын

And you really think those guys have the intelligence to understand that?

@lolitsaustin4932

3 жыл бұрын

@@sandrobsnake you would think...but again..people refuse to use their brains

@GhostCell47

3 жыл бұрын

They're only a small group of idiots who've resorted to death threats. Even the people who despised the game didn't stand for it.

@sandrobsnake

3 жыл бұрын

@@GhostCell47 That's true... Still, I like to know that they are on "your" or "their" side...

@cezerelecrucio9717

3 жыл бұрын

Part of why Abby is so unsettling to me is the actress's *incredible* performance

While I didn’t like the story of the game personally, I sincerely apologise to you, Neil, Laura and anyone else who has faced harassment and hate over this game. I hope you all know that not everyone who didn’t like the game is like these toxic and horrible people who have behaved unacceptably. It is to be respected that you told the story you wanted to tell and it’s ok that that story didn’t resonate with everyone, as long as those, like me, who didn’t enjoy the game express that respectfully and appreciate the hard work and passion that went into the game.

@tranvinhnhat1289

4 жыл бұрын

Now that’s i can agree on.

@pincelltv

4 жыл бұрын

Can we please frame this fucking jewel of a comment? Couldn't have put it better myself - maybe because I really loved the game. Wish people would be THIS reasonable while disliking something. Crazy times we live in, but comments like this make me cling onto any sort of belief in mankind.

@scarcehyperion2148

4 жыл бұрын

PNCLL TV thanks.I just think there’s enough hate and toxicity as it is, there’s really no need to spread more. I understand that people are passionate about these characters and this world and waited a long time for a sequel they felt was disappointing, myself included, but I think rather than dwelling on something you felt was disappointing or you didn’t like you should just move on and focus on things you do like and show those things love and support rather than spreading unnecessary hate and toxicity to something you don’t like. That’s always been my mindset. I’m really glad you enjoyed the game and found enjoyment in it where I didn’t, I’m so glad this game has meant so much to so many and it really makes the hard work of the whole team who worked so hard to get it out worth it. I think it’s pathetic that some horrible people can’t just let people enjoy something just because they don’t feel the same, so I’m sorry to you too if you’ve faced any harassment or toxicity for your enjoyment of the game. It’s so uncalled for and it’s a shame that I’ve seen a lot of it across the Internet, again I stress, I promise we’re not all like that :)

@pincelltv

4 жыл бұрын

Scarce Hyperion oh, I’m fully aware that not everyone that disliked this game is like that, the problem it’s just the intensity on which people have been hating on anything honestly these days... I’ve had amazing conversations with friends that hated the game and we all came out of it better than we entered because when you’re open to understand that we’re all the same but different, that’s how shit is supposed to go down. I guess we’re just thrown in such delicate time that understanding and empathy are words a lot of people have forgotten the meaning of. Thank YOU for no reinforcing this kinda behavior.

@scarcehyperion2148

4 жыл бұрын

PNCLL TV couldn’t agree with you more. Actual rational discussion of different viewpoints and opinions is interesting and productive whereas blind hate is just unneeded and creates a horrible atmosphere for everyone else online, especially for those who worked on the game and those who love the game who have been unfairly attacked.

I like how having finished the game almost a month ago and having obsessively watched all of those interviews Neil, Halley, Ashley, Laura and Troy did over that period, I still don't meet every new one as "oh, another one" instead of "hell yeah, another one!"

@MCoconut97

4 жыл бұрын

@Element Hunter u mad?

@RajBauer

4 жыл бұрын

Haha totally on the same page bro

Laura Bailey is a fine actress and a lovely person who doesn't deserve all the hate she's been getting. Sending death threats to someone just because they portrayed a hated character in a video game is hysterical and pathetic.

@susanlisson7066

4 жыл бұрын

Raphaela Filippi I was shocked to hear that actually happened. There truly are some very disturbed individuals living amongst us.

@LegendGamer56

4 жыл бұрын

Didn’t the game tells Abby side story in LOU2? I would have chose Ellie side over Abby anytime, but I understand why Abby wants to kill Joel so badly. Anybody sends a death threat to Laura Bailey, either never finish the game or never understand game story of Last of us 2..

@MrStolboy

4 жыл бұрын

@@LegendGamer56 again a stupid fuck, with the oh you don't understand the game, the game is not fcking deep, everyone gets it. it is still trash

@ramxx5640

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrStolboy man stfu nobody cares about your opinion when you talk like this to someone that you don't even know

@MrStolboy

4 жыл бұрын

@@ramxx5640 go fuck yourself

My wife got me the collectors edition of this game for my birthday. Then it got delayed twice... The second delay of Last of Us Part 2 ended up being moved to June 19. I felt so bad because that was the day before mine and my wife's wedding anniversary. My wife, being the sweetheart she is, insisted that I play it. The part where Joel sings Pearl Jam's Future Days to Ellie, made me and my wife begin to sob. It was a touching moment for many people. What had made it so touching to me and her, was more than just a moment between two characters. It was the song that my wife used to walk down to the altar to, the day of our wedding. For that moment, we felt like that part was written for us (I know that sounded conceded).

@slappy5204

4 жыл бұрын

and then they caved joels skull in and ellie loses every part of him and ends up alone, happy wedding thanks for the $

@kohl4life

4 жыл бұрын

@@slappy5204 but that doesnt make the game bad. that that stuff happened. the game to me was beautiful. yes RIP Joel. he will be missed but this is an amazing take on what rage and emotion can do when u purely use it and let it control you. I loved it and for the first time ever I clapped twice at the end of the game. I have never clapped after a story finishing. the ending was amazing . and still blows me away

@slappy5204

4 жыл бұрын

@@kohl4life dude we all knew joel had it coming, its how they do it, Joel does shit completely out of character, so was tommy, tommy going to ellies house and raging at her for not going to find abby is the most bullshit out of all it, earlier in the game he doesnt want her to go, then just for convenience make him go force her to go.. abby was super mutant like, complete sjw bullshit, how the fuck she get muscle like that when most women cant get like that with modern science (where she finding all these steroids at bruh?) they fucked this game by being political losers with no integrity, swapped realism for lgbt fantasy

@Pedro-bc4px

4 жыл бұрын

Hey man, that's must have been a really powerful moment! Made me happy for you :)

@nicknickname353

4 жыл бұрын

@@slappy5204 ur just a homophobic fucktard

-So, I'm hesitant to play TLOU2, so many bad reviews about it, what can you say? -Did you think the 1st game was emotional? -Yes, ofc, very. -It's nothing in comparison with the 2nd. -Really? But why is it hated so much then?? -Exactly. Thank you, NaughtyDog. You did something that I never thought was possible. This game tore me apart, violently, in pieces. I replayed all three games (TLOU, TLOU Left Behind, TLOU2) and I can honestly say that you have made a masterpiece. I am generally a very consistent-in-my-opinion person, but here, playing this, I questioned myself more than ever in my life. I would do anything to repeat this experience again. I used to (and still do) like literature for its ability to make me question certain moral choices/decisions/beliefs, but this...I did not know video games could do that too, in such a way.

@kasandrahartshorn6268

3 жыл бұрын

Do play but but prepared to be haunted. I had to set it aside for a few weeks and process it before picking it up again and it had just as much impact the second time around. The dogs still stressed me out. The rat king still scared the crap out of me and Ellie's birthday still fills me with joy. After the 4th playthrough it still does... there is no numb in this game that I have found so far. That's astounding in modern media.

@olgabahirkina1286

3 жыл бұрын

@@kasandrahartshorn6268 I have played it several times, it’s just one of the conversations I had with a colleague from work. It’s my favorite game. Nothing like it.

@akor7921

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I mean if you like bad emotions and you like to torture yourself than yes this game is for you xD in that sense it is emotional but by any means it's not a good game. The story was all over the place so many plot holes. But than again this opinion isn't very popular here xD

@olgabahirkina1286

2 жыл бұрын

@@akor7921 Or if you like fantastic emotions and critical thinking. By any means a fantastic game to other people.

@akor7921

2 жыл бұрын

@@olgabahirkina1286 Most people disagree and you can't deny that so yeah. "Fantastic emotions" have we played the same game? XD I know what they were going for don't get me wrong and I'm not even that mad about it but the pacing of the game and the plot holes are just bad. The game could've been much better if some of the stuff happened later and some happened earlier. It wasn't written really well tbh. But you liked it so I guess there are some people that just like mediocre stuff and don't complain because they love their developers and they don't see any faults in them.

I can't get enough of you, Neil, Ashley, Hailey etc. talking about this game, thank you 🤙

@PerfectScrewUps

4 жыл бұрын

Damn, dog, get yourself a life. And get enough shit from other things.

@PrettyGoodSamuel

4 жыл бұрын

@@PerfectScrewUps Let people enjoy things.

@PerfectScrewUps

4 жыл бұрын

@@PrettyGoodSamuel let me say things.

@GlitchDude

4 жыл бұрын

@@PerfectScrewUps Sometimes it's good to keep it to yourself

@PerfectScrewUps

4 жыл бұрын

@@GlitchDude it's better to shut up? Can't take criticism, I see.

I finished this game weeks ago. When do the feels stop? It doesn't say on the box.

@eyas6943

4 жыл бұрын

Me too man. Me too

@carlosfloresmeza6871

4 жыл бұрын

Like Mr. Incredible says: "me too, kid" :(

@TopTiikzMG

4 жыл бұрын

"you dont get to rush this" (the stopping of the sad feels)

@scottnukend

4 жыл бұрын

The feels stopped when the story leaked and we found out there are no feels to be had.

@TopTiikzMG

4 жыл бұрын

@@scottnukend uhhh...did u play the game?

Great talk. Wish there was a documentary like the ones for God of war and we can see more behind the scenes things

@ulrichleukam1068

4 жыл бұрын

there are search: IGN: Beyond GoW Podcast with Cory Barlog Kinda Funny gaming also have something simillar

@trounbyfire

4 жыл бұрын

Ulrich Leukam I meant with naughty dog and they are not documentaries anyway

@thiagosimas5713

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe you looking for "Raising Kratos" documentary? If not I suggest you watch it anyway.

@trounbyfire

4 жыл бұрын

Thiago Simas are you talking to me?

@ibbyunchained4317

4 жыл бұрын

@@trounbyfire there's one called grounded-- it's about the making of Last of us

Thank you Troy for this wonderful conversation. Real talk, I could sit down (with a drink) and watch you guys talk all-day-long and never get tired of it. I just finished the game last night (at ungodly hours, waaaay past my bed time but I could not stop). You mentioned in the video how many of your friends could only play in 2-3 hrs installments and that was exactly the situation for me, which is why it took a while for me to finish it. I do not know how to convey how much love I have for you, Ashley, Neil, Laura (who's performance was unbelievable),... every single person at Naughty Dog, every single actor on set... you have all crafted an unforgettable experience that still brings me to tears just thinking about it. I am SO glad that you told the story you wanted to tell, and not the one some people wanted to hear. Take good care of yourselves, you are precious to me. Much love from across the Atlantic.

@troybaker

4 жыл бұрын

savethefunk doin a pretty good job of conveying, my friend. 😜 Appreciate the time you took to share your thoughts. Keep being a part of the conversation. Would love for you to tell your story with us.

@fredperry9388

8 ай бұрын

​@troybaker come back to this interview every now and then , great insight to how it was made , my favourite story over all forms of media , TV , movies , books etc , the last of us just on another level 👍

Troy... this needs to be 5 hours longer! I could listen to you both talk about this game for hours on end. To everyone who worked on this game: Thank you for this experience. Lots of love and respect.

@troybaker

4 жыл бұрын

DOOMShooter09 trust me, it wasn’t easy to stop. The conversations are only beginning. Thank you for being a part of them.

@psychedelicyeti6053

4 жыл бұрын

Definitely need someone like a moderator to get the focus back to the second game. There was a bunch of repeating stuff from the documentary of the first game than there was insight for the second.

@troybaker

4 жыл бұрын

Psychedelic Yeti Not the vibe we’re aiming for. We go where the conversation leads.

@psychedelicyeti6053

4 жыл бұрын

@@troybaker yep. Thanks for responding to the comments.

@TheMandanga

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah you guys are great! Thanks for doing this.

Amazing talk. I've been gaming for 30+ years and I'm just happy to live in the times when this medium has excelled to the point where we get to experience something like what you and the team have accomplished. I'm just a random guy from Russia and for some reason, I'm just proud of you all. Thanks for having me on this journey. Take care!

I don't know if you're actually going tl read this, but this game made me cry at one especific part: the moment where Ellie and Dina are living together. That scene alone give me hope and reminded me the power of a family. Family that you choose, not family that share your blood. I am a son of a single mother in Brazil, raised in a favela, having to choose between having launch or dinner, and quite sometime, none of them. I always had this inner rage against people of more wealth than I, which led me to lose people in my life because of this rage, that blinded me, and this game showed me that there's more in life than that. Now I'm trying to composd some songs about it, and dream to one day be able to travel to US to thank you Troy Baker, Neil, Ashley for this, also Nolan North for Drake. I love gaming and someday maybe I'll work at Naughty Dog, hey, I can dream right haha. Thank you Thank you so much for existing man, you guys made me a better person!

@troybaker

4 жыл бұрын

João Pontalti dude. Thank you. Read and appreciated. Would love to learn more. Let me know how to get in touch.

@pokejoao

4 жыл бұрын

@@troybaker So, I'm from Brazil, son of a single mother, raised in a favela, in a house of 2 bedrooms for 5 women and myself, my father was and still is an absent guy who likes to give speeches but do not like to listen. Well, my mom always made the best she could for myself, and for 6 years, the best she could do was keep trying to find a job, because she was the primarly provider of the house. So she had small jobs like cleaning houses of rich people, literally laying down on the floor the clean everyone elses mess, being mistreated for being black, woman and unemployed. We had to choose to have breakfast or dinner a lot of times, and sometimes she even gave her's to me, because I was just a little kid who knew nothing. She always inspired me to found hope and be thankful, and to love art. Well, eventually she founded a job, a job that she still doing to this day, I'm 23 years old now, studying in my second graduation, which is Acoustic Engineering, my first graduation was at Music Production What I said about the hate that I've felt in my life and still do, is because in a certain way, I tended myself to see other people as bigger, or more important, or better at everything than I, and that I was never capable of nothing, because I've had this life of privation and lack of possibilities. So when I played The Last of Us part 2 and I saw Ellie losing everything because of her hate, and Abby losing to, and Joel being killed because of it, something clicked. I did not want to kill someone's Joel because of my hate, I just want to share love and peace, and this cicle to end. After this game, I came to realise that what I really wanted all along, is to give people the opportunities to have what I could not until this point, and for that, I'm so, so thankful Okay, I said a lot, and maybe you're not going to read it, but man, I love you so much, for your work, for defending what you believe, for spreading love. And as I said it in KZread, maybe someday I can travel to US, work at naughty dog, meet you and say "Thank You" personally. Videogames taught a lot of things that changed my life!

@AndyFriday

4 жыл бұрын

@@pokejoao You should give Troy your credentials and a resume. Maybe an Internship at Naughty Dog is only one email away. That's how I got my break. Troy answered you on youtube. Use the chances life gives you man :)

@SG-pc4sv

3 жыл бұрын

@@AndyFriday Yup, He should get in touch with Troy ASAP.

@musikalniyfanboichik

3 жыл бұрын

good luck to you and all the best

If you look at the 3D models, level design, and lighting, you realise that the technical team behind all of this are the absolute best in the industry. Those guys are not thanked enough.

The beginning of the game is something that isn't praised enough. Coming into it after a complete media blackout, i didn't know what story you would tell, so realising through Joel's confession that the events in the hospital in the first game are of major importance made me immediately very happy, worried and engaged. Thank you for this great game.

@blakedebnam5669

3 жыл бұрын

This was my exact experience

My favorite Neil quote ever is "I'm picking up on some resistance" I'm so using that

Ellie hunting the boar is actually an entry in her journal! Remember it cause I recreated the whole thing, it's tough going through all of Ellie's thoughts...

Man this was a really honest talk, I felt like I was with this two drinking a beer on a bar and talking about our jobs. As a product developer myself, I gotta say that my empathy with Neil is huge and TLOU 2 is just one of the best things I’ve ever experienced in my life.

I can't get enough of hearing about this game. The fact that you two, and Ashley and Laura, and everyone else I've heard, who was involved in the game is clearly so deeply passionate about it is so enjoyable to watch. I still don't think I actually "enjoyed" the game, I guess that's kinda the point, but for me it was a straight up masterpiece, and I think it's shown a completely new way of approaching characters and storytelling in games and I absolutely can't get enough of it. Can't wait to start playthrough 2 and go through that emotional beating all over again! Also, criticism is fine, but fuck the haters, and the death threats and all that shit is disgusting. I hope you've coped with it as well as you can! Peace out and keep up the amazing work!

@PerfectScrewUps

4 жыл бұрын

How is it a masterpiece? Too much backlash for that to be.

@RedEllana

4 жыл бұрын

@@PerfectScrewUps Almost every single thing considered a "masterpiece" have been controversial in some ways. Also, a lot of the backlash come from people who haven't even played the game (just look at a few reviews on metacritic, it is painfully obvious how so many didn't finish it or play it and just based their views on the leaks), or who weren't willing to give the game a chance because of what happens to Joel. I totally respect anyone who did not like the game, or was disappointed with the story. We all have our own opinion. And many make good point as to why they didn't like it. However the "backlash" comes mostly from mindless haters who didn't even finish the game, got stuck on one particular scene and refused to give a chance to the rest of it, and formed opinions of what they heard, or of watching streamers play a fraction of it. TLOU2 is something you have to take in its entirety. And you have to experience it personally. Anyway.

@TheConst4nt

4 жыл бұрын

I can smell the soy from here.

@PerfectScrewUps

4 жыл бұрын

@@RedEllana did that, can't stand some parts in the game. Replayability value doesn't exist.

@Kyle-wc3sj

4 жыл бұрын

@Holy Hand Grenades could you elaborate on the plot holes

This comment section is so awesome. I feel like there's so much to think about with TLOU 2. Even a month later I feel like there are tons of layers I'm still digging through and everything is just so well-rounded story wise and just damn. It's great seeing all this positivity about it considering the circumstances. I'm excited to be able to listen to these conversations and to have ones of my own about it.

@bethbearmacethatguy

4 жыл бұрын

You'll see the loud but small haters fade away with time. I'm seeing a lot more positivity for it as time goes on. I'm just sad these amazing artists had to take so much hate.

@aw3s0m3man

4 жыл бұрын

@@bethbearmacethatguy I know right??? Hopefully it ages like Shawshank or Empire. I read that people didn't like those ones upon release but they're now both widely considered masterpieces. I feel like this one could easily be heading for the same boat.

@joosuahuopaniemi471

4 жыл бұрын

@@bethbearmacethatguy maybe because the story is bad?

@aw3s0m3man

4 жыл бұрын

@@joosuahuopaniemi471 Maybe it isn't? We're here to be positive about it. Run along.

@joosuahuopaniemi471

4 жыл бұрын

@@aw3s0m3man Okay sorry I'll respect your opinion now

I love how these two elite entertainers show their human side by opening up about their insecurities. I feel like not only did I learn so much about Neil but a little look behind the curtains of video game making. Major props to Troy for hosting an amazing show!

@huhhuh364

3 жыл бұрын

People made this narrative that they both always say they are perfect, but in reality they are both really accepting of what they did wrong or could’ve improved on in their works

Great art isn’t always appreciated by everyone. A striking example is Dylan “going Electric”. He received a lot of pushback from his fans, one famously calling him “Judas!”, yet his electric albums throughout the ‘60s are considered masterpieces. And so it goes with TLOU2, a game that challenges, inspires, provokes, elicits thoughts and feelings, and changes your perspective on what the medium is capable of producing the way great art should. Thank you Troy, Neil, Ashley, Laura and the rest of Naughty Dog for NOT creating safe, crowd-pleasing entertainment, but for taking the far more difficult, far more risky path - the one that trailblazers throughout art & history have taken. The gaming industry needs more brave souls such as yourself.

@gianfrancocass

3 жыл бұрын

Ridiculous, now go with your trash "The Last Jedi"

Love Neil but i realllyy really wish we get to hear from Kurt, Anthony, John, Josh, Travis Mcintosh. Like man if anything i'd love to have a grounded style documentary of the game!

@troybaker

4 жыл бұрын

Wijdan E Ali Let me see what I can do. Appreciate that input.

@ShengYu1995

4 жыл бұрын

@@troybaker Yeah it would be nice to have that Director/Actor commentary available once the game gets remastered on the PS5. Just like TLOU1 Remastered on the PS4 had the commentary. I think if its available there with the game like TLOU1 Remastered, more people would listen in because alot of people wouldnt search up podcasts or videos on youtube for commentary. And there are definitely people that if they listen to the commentary, they would come around and appreciate the game and the story alot more and have more of an appreciation for everyone that has worked on this for 6-7 years.

@wijdaneali2269

4 жыл бұрын

Relater - Troy Baker ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

@wijdaneali2269

4 жыл бұрын

Relater - Troy Baker just btw I neither meant to be ungrateful for this amazing conv with Neil and nor wanted to ask you for more hassle. Nonetheless love you and your work (if it wasnt super obvious already👀👀)❤️❤️❤️❤️

@EdgarHernandez-bg1pu

4 жыл бұрын

@@troybaker Yo! Talk to pewdiepie or that angry joe guy instead...... id honestly pay to see that..

Don't know if you will read this Troy, but your scenes when Ellie makes Joel confess outside the hospital and the porch scene at the end were the most powerful and meaningful acting performances I've ever seen. My meds limit my ability to feel, but those scenes connected. Thanks man. I hope you never doubt this game.

This game is just something else, it broke me three times and I've never cried like that on a videogame, series or movie. It will forever live in my memory as one of the greatest gaming experiences I've ever had.

@sandrobsnake

4 жыл бұрын

And you are not alone in that feeling...

@venusonfire7606

4 жыл бұрын

Grow up little baby girl lol

@camprey

4 жыл бұрын

@@sandrobsnake good to know I'm not the only one, mate!

@Mrtwistedblack

4 жыл бұрын

It tore me up also, at the same time though it had multiple golden nuggets. The birthday with the dinosaurs 🦖 and some if the Abby / Owen scenes were great.

@camprey

4 жыл бұрын

@@Mrtwistedblack fuck man, that birthday surprise from joel was awesome. Ellie singing "Take on me" is also a huge highlight and the fact that you can go through the whole game without seeing that scene blows my mind, a lot of people missed it.

This game is probably the best narrative I've ever seen in any media and by far the best game I've ever played. Thank you so much for bringing the Last of Us to life. You guys are truly an inspiration!

I do not usually like commenting on any social media due to the fact that in my mind it seems it does not make much of a difference what I can say about any given topic, but recently I have come to understand that to create beaches we must gather every bit of sand. I wanted to tell you a bit of my personal experience whilst playing TLof2 with the sole purpose as to thank, praise, support, and encourage every last one of the members of the team that created this game and of course the previous one. I was ok, as much as someone who loves the character can be, with Joel's death, because I understood how the world in TLoU works and, as Neil puts it, death is not a punishment nor life a reward. I had learned this from GoT already (haha), and most importanly from life itself. As a matter of fact, that is what makes this world believable to me; tragedy and senseless things can come to anybody at anytime because that is what happens in the real world. I was never thinking you should be "doing right by" anyone but yourselves, and what you wanted to show us through this art form. However, about halfway through my playthough I was wrestling with the idea of playing as Abby on the one hand (for obvious reasons), and on the other, the fact that I wanted to know how the story was going to culminate. Also I was enjoying very much the immersive and fantastic time I was having with the actual gameplay and mechanics. The struggle was so, I even stopped playing when I thought I had to kill Ellie at the theatre. Actually, my first reaction was to literally let Ellie kill Abby; just threw myself at her to be done with it. After I pushed through those feelings of rage, I managed to keep going, and boy it was worth it.To me it was tragically beautiful seeing all that Ellie had to go through and lose, and still keep some humanity inside. For me it was super reediming that even after hitting rock bottom she did not do what Abby did to her. She could stop at some point. On my first playthough I also did not connect with some characters as I saw them as the enemy, as those who killed Joel and deserved to die. By playing it again, I could see things from their perspective, from what they wanted and needed.. And could understand much better what the game was trying to communicate. At the end I think I had to put my ego aside and love the story for what it was, and for what it was trying to teach and tell me, rather than for what I wanted it to be. We all love a good ol' happy ending, but that is not what we always get in different stages in life. And it is precisely this, which I believe is so hard for many people to come to terms with and why some people have mixed feelings about the game or come to even hate it. For me personally, it was trully a masterpiece. Thank you for making it happen and looking forward to more of your art.

@troybaker

4 жыл бұрын

Sviagatorn “gather every bit of sand...” what a great notion and sentiment. The true evidence of this experience being art is the stories it conjures and creates in its wake. Thank you for watching, thank you for sharing and thank you for being a part of the conversation.

@PETROVICGAMES

4 жыл бұрын

@@troybaker thank you Troy

@Sviagatorn

4 жыл бұрын

@@troybaker Thank you for reading and taking the time to answer. Love your performances and Ashley's and Laura's too.

@breyannarollins9120

4 жыл бұрын

I finished the game little more than a week ago, and I have not been able to stop thinking about it. I finished the first game right before the I played Part 2, but I was immediately hooked into the story, and the bond between Ellie and Joel. I never really had a father figure growing up and was amazed about how in just a short time, I was able to feel such a connection to his character. And Ellie, wow, I feel like I’m just like her in some ways. When I read about what you said about Joel’s death in the game, it resonated with me. Looking back, I think I cried more in the “wake and funeral” part where Ellie is walking through Joel’s home than when he actually died. Like Neil said in the last of us podcast, which you should listen to, is that they all wanted you to feel the dread when he was being killed, and the aftermath of it was where the sadness kicked in for me. I just deeply felt what Ellie was feeling. I have felt loss a couple of times in my life, and although the circumstances of Joel’s death were so extreme, I was ok with it, as you were, and accepted it. I’ve been deeply troubled with some people’s criticisms of this game on the internet, and I never really could figure out why it was bothering me so much. I’d see these rants people were having online about the story being dogshit, and it would get me so annoyed! Troubled enough to write a long paragraph defending the game. To dismiss the whole entirety of the game as bad storytelling just felt so incredibly stupid. And watching this I realized, fuck the haters! Naughty Dogs work is so amazing and has the level of detail I’ve always wanted from other games but never got. With that said, I feel like most people who are angered about the game probably don’t know the in-depth detail about how this game was made, and in my opinion, seem too uneducated about it to get angry at. The creators, not just Troy and Neil, seem to have considered every detail about the story and I think people are not giving them enough credit. The point is I never realized why those criticisms bothered me so much and reading your comment made me figure it out somewhat. You expressed a level of maturity and understanding that I haven’t seen from many angry fans. I found myself saying back to those people, “it’s not a black and white story! There’s no good guy or bad guy! Abbys no better than Ellie and vice versa! Not everyone would kill their enemy!” Just the many arguments I was trying to settle, and getting deeply concerned when nobody seemed to understand. So many people were focused on what they thought should have happened. I had accepted the game for what it was and I hoped people would have done the same. I eventually had to accept that some people just didn’t like the game. Or that they simply don’t have the maturity to understand the real points and ideas of the story. Anyway, I really just want to express how grateful I am that there are people like you that respect an incredible game like this enough to keep playing it, even when it sometimes gets frustrating to play. I hated fighting Ellie as Abby too. I have heard that some people stopped playing the game all together after certain parts. So thanks for playing it to the end. Imagine if you didn’t! Lol

@Sviagatorn

4 жыл бұрын

@@breyannarollins9120 Sorry it took me a while to answer, but I reallly wanted to take my time to share my thoughts on your comment and not rush it as I 110% agree with your sentiment. Not only that, I feel exactly the same way you do towards some of the unfair, and rash criticism this game got initially. I was fortunate not to be spoiled by the leaks that happened prior to launch and that is why I think I got to experience what all the team intended with all that happend throughout the game. In my opinion, some people boarded the hate and bully wagon too early and jumped to conclusions without even playing the game first, which I believe is totally unfair to the community and everyone who was involved in it. What troubled me most was hearing friends whose opinions I respect, trash the game for things that were untrue such as the misinformation about the gender of some characters forced upon the story to drive a point. To me some of the criticism and argument revolving the game is trully fascinating and valid, and I respect whoever does not like it or has a different view of the events that were portrayed. The discussion regarding Tommy and Joel's trusting Abby and their crew for example is something I disagree with but can totally understand. All this was also an exercise in empathy in itself. I don't think it is fair to go "fuck the haters" in the same way I don't think it is fair they go "fuck the game". You need to try and see it the way they do to be able to understand their frustration. In a way, I am not happy about what hapened to our beloved characters, but that does not mean that I don't LOVE the story, if that makes sense. The reason I think it is amazing is that no game had me trying to overcome obstacles that go beyond the mere gameplay. I heard this from another youtuber and I resonated so much with it. No amount of skill with the controler helped to deal with the fact that, at the time, I just wanted Ellie to exact her "just" revenge. No game had had me thinking about why they wanted to present the story in this way, and only by thinking about Abby's motivation and self journey was I able to understand the parallelism between them. I could figure out that they were not shown as intrinsically good or bad. They were just people torn by circumstance grieving and coping as best they could, even when that cost them their friends, relationships and mental health. That is to me the genious nature of the game, and the power behind the acting... It made me FEEL, and it made me think and analyze way beyond the story it presented. Thank you Bree for sharing your own thoughts. I found them so interesting and by answering I know we are growing by talking about something we are really passionate about.

it is so unique and powerful to hear Troy and Neil's perspective on the characters motives. i think it shows how much care and love they have for the world of The Last Of Us Part II. and with that passion, the team really created a beautiful journey.

@SPECTER0459

4 жыл бұрын

It's hard to believe that they care when it's apparent that the characters shift everything just to serve the plot. And the plot is an attempt to see how much they can destroy everything you cared about in the first game. Except the graphics, maybe. Edit: and this is justified as being their vision. But just because they have a vision doesn't mean a story with unlikable characters and an unsatisfying conclusion is good. I guess I commend their ability to torture an audience for thirty hours. Giving you breaks by showing off the relationship you actually wanted explored, Joel and Ellie. It subverted all hopes of a cohesive and satisfying experience just to make a statement that could have been annunciated in a clause or two. Revenge is bad, unless you're Abby.

@daddycoop88

4 жыл бұрын

The characters motives are paper thin.

@weaverquest

4 жыл бұрын

I suggest watching Noah Caldwell's very in-depth analysis for both the TLOU Part 1 and 2 story on youtube for people in this thread who clearly couldn't empathize or understand what the characters are going through.

@SPECTER0459

4 жыл бұрын

@@weaverquest I'm sure there's a way to justify it, but they're not the characters I cared about. And the new ones are about as likable as it is reasonable for pregnant women to be in combat.

@captainanyonebutteo9126

4 жыл бұрын

Cutter Elf you can’t defend this games story. It’s beyond worse than the first games story.

"I just want to sell enough so that we can do it again" TLOU3 confirmed!!!

@ogdens123

4 жыл бұрын

jesus christ....please don't neil, please dont

@leah8778

4 жыл бұрын

We need a dlc too!!!

@ogdens123

4 жыл бұрын

@@leah8778 I guess they couldnt mess it up anymore then it already is

@IvanZypher100

4 жыл бұрын

YEAAAH! And FUCK the HEATERS!!! I want more impactfull, mature, sensible and non cliché stories.

@arnavsharma3880

4 жыл бұрын

Yeahhh

I loved The Last of Us Part 2, it didn't disappoint me at all. I struggle to think of any game that has had such an emotional impact on me like these two games have had. I had tears in my eyes a few times playing this game, the feeling of loss and losing someone was spot on in this game. The scene when Ellie plays the guitar in the theatre, just a few notes that Joel had played to her and then she stops. She rests her head on the guitar and looks so sad, it's just so incredibly well done. We can see by the look of her face that she's really missing Joel, she then thinks back to her birthday at the museum, that whole section is probably my favourite part of the game. The games been on my mind quite a bit since I finished it. Pretty much every aspect of this game is just jaw dropping. How I went from hating Abbey to really caring about her by the end was just brilliant storytelling. It wouldn't have worked without those excellent performances by the cast. It's a masterpiece in my opinion. I just wanted to show my appreciation and thank Neil, the cast and everyone at Naughty Dog for making it.

It's nice to hear and see Neil's feelings about the making of this game and reactions to it. I can't thank you Troy, Ashley, Laura, Neil and all the Naughty Dog's enough for this masterpiece. I had never such a experience in a game. You all can be proud of it. Please do not leave this way, it is the right way. Making a story with that perspectives gave me so much to think of, I was literally think of my own things in real life. Just put yourself in the position of the other person and understand them was refreshing. It was like TLOU Part 1, but where Ellie don't like Joel in the beginning and at the and there liked each other. In this game you put the player in this perspective and it worked so well...this game is such a jewel. Thank you again, you did it!

Thank you for your performance, Troy. Everytime Joel came up in the game it was so much emotional. I hope the tv show consults you for your input on a character that you so well defend. I also hope the Naughty Dog team disregard the hate and continues with the franchise. Ellie is such a great character.

I've been obsessing about Part 2 ever since finishing it 5 days ago. I keep playing in my mind the psychology of the decisions of the characters. I think Neil Druckman said in some interview how Joel's ghost is haunting over this game's characters. Large part of Ellie's motivation is her anger at herself for making Joel suffer by cutting him off for nearly 2 years. Abby took her revenge on this 'monster' Joel, but all she killed was an old man. And that act of vengeance did nothing to her. She still kept on suffering and seeing her dead father in her dreams. Only when finally doing something good and selfless does she start to heal. Like Abby, Ellie can't let her father figure's killer go and she goes back to find her even at the cost of all her relationships. When she finds Abby tortured and on the verge of death, yet still taking care of Lev, she can recognise the relationship as very similar to the relationship between her and Joel. Which makes her doubt the justification of killing Abby (Lev's sole provider), but she still suffers too much to let it go and arguably turns villainous for a moment when she threatens Lev's life to get Abby to fight her. At this point Abby has given up on revenge (despite Ellie and Tommy having killed her friends). This time Ellie is at a physical advantage due to Abby's state. When she is about to kill Abby, Ellie again gets a flashback of Joel. But this time it's something different. She recalls that she DID in a messy way, let Joel back in on that last night at Joel's porch. Joel died knowing she loves him. And maybe that's enough. So, killing Abby. Would she really make Lev suffer the same way she had suffered? For what purpose? She also realized what Abby realized right after killing Joel. That it would mean nothing to her. All she would have done is destroy Lev's life, and maybe one day he would come after her to enact revenge. And would JJ then do the same? When would the cycle of violence end?

People stop acting like Abby and Ellie exist in our world like “Ellie wouldn’t go all the way to Santa Barbra and then not kill Abby” wtf else is she going to do she’s trying to live a normal life or as normal as that world can be (which is still fucked up) and Joel’s death still haunts her even when trying to let goats in a barn... then Tommy shows up and makes her feel even more pain. I’d go too

Appreciate this discussion a lot. Something that bums me out is that I’m sad the discourse surrounding the game has become so toxic. I love the game, but always put a lot of value in seeing other perspectives and seeing why things didn’t work as well for others and that’s been hard to parse here at times. Any genuine criticisms get drowned out by those just screaming racial or homophobic epithets and we lose the ability to have nuanced, interesting discussions about the game with people we disagree with. The fact that people can spend hours dissecting the story, characters, themes, etc of this game is what I love so much about it, yet those discussions so frequently devolve into people yelling at one another. It’s a game I haven’t been able to stop thinking about in the time since finishing it and I’m grateful for everyone who poured their heart and soul into creating such an incredible experience.

@troybaker

4 жыл бұрын

Patrick this is my attempt to help change the discourse; or maybe more accurately help bring discourse where there is a current deficiency. You contribute to this not only by watching but by sharing your thoughts. Thank you for being a part of the conversation.

@khimaros

4 жыл бұрын

I think it depends where you look (and what you focus on). I’ve been watching AnthonyCaliber’s play through and the discussions on his videos have been thoughtful, respectful and really helpful to me in dealing the the emotions of this insane roller coaster ride of a game. If I see someone ranting and raving I just move on, no one’s going to change their opinion sadly...

@psychedelicyeti6053

4 жыл бұрын

I would recommended Writing on Games. Two videos: 1) a personal examination of last of us part two 2) grand theft auto 5: does "dissonance" even matter? The second one is obviously on a different game, but I think pretty relevant to player experience in open world games, since Part 2 was considered to be open world at one point. There are more videos I'd recommend, but I'll have to dig through my history which sometimes deletes videos ive watched idk how. But if interested, I can comment again or edit this one.

@ttime441

4 жыл бұрын

@@psychedelicyeti6053 I recommend Tim Rogers' Metacritics vs Yelp video, gives a lot of insight on how we should view user reviews

@psychedelicyeti6053

4 жыл бұрын

@@ttime441 what a greasy video. But like the OP, I like reading or hearing there's people's perspectives. Some people I agree with and others i don't. Some people were able to find things i missed or had totally different interpretations i wouldn't have been able to make. I would gave never known that of you combine Lev's and Yara's names means "a little transformation of the heart" because I don't know Hebrew nor did I look it up. If we were just to dismiss everyone, there would be no discussions. Interesting and funny recommendation, none of the less.

Even though I wasn’t a fan of the story, I can’t give Naughty Dog and all the actors enough credit of how great of a job they’ve done. Sure I wish things could have been different but hey it’s all good.

@angelovolpe8735

4 жыл бұрын

I know you wish thinks were Different I wish things were Different but they ain't

@brandonisweird7000

4 жыл бұрын

Angelo Volpe I know lol

@aiyu6471

4 жыл бұрын

@@brandonisweird7000 its a dialogue from the game. Joels dialogue 😉

@SAMSARALIVEEEEEE

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah exactly, game looks beautiful and it’s nice that they took risks even if most of them didn’t really land for me.

Was on the hate bandwagon. Bought the game used. Ended up loving it. It really is true, you have to play it to really experience it.

@deannolan248

4 жыл бұрын

@J C You know, it's entirely possible to simply look at the clips out of context on KZread and think you're getting the full story - aka 90% of people.

@funnytoyvideos

4 жыл бұрын

Yep. I’ll admit I saw the leaks and thought I would absolutely despise the game. Once I played it though, I completely understood the decisions made. I looked at quite a few streamers reactions to the more controversial parts of the game and you can tell they’re really missing the point. I thought it was pretty damn amazing.

@deannolan248

4 жыл бұрын

@@funnytoyvideos I get that it doesn't appeal to everyone, but I think that everyone is sort of letting their initial hatred of Joel's death blind them to what is going on. Ironically, fans that hate the game are kinda experiencing Ellie's arc.

@sebart9321

4 жыл бұрын

i played it but didn't like it at all. For some reason many think that everyone who dislikes the game hasn't played it. I played part 1 the night before, then ran to the mall crying tears of joy, played part 2 in one sitting and then cried tears of sadness and disappointment. To each their own but just wanted to say sth against that myth that all "haters" never played the game.

@sebart9321

4 жыл бұрын

@@deannolan248 it's not necessarily just the fact that he died but how he died and when he died so early in the game. If I played Abby not knowing she killed Joel it would've been different. but 10+h annoyed and disgusted, not caring to collect items, just waiting for Ellie to come back, not wanting to kill or attack Ellie but being forced to..it felt very gross to me and disappointing.

Thank you Troy, Neil, Ashley, Laura, and the rest of the incredible team at naughty dog. This is the best game and best entertaining experience I have ever played and been through.

I'm going to preface this by saying I did not enjoy the game. In short I thought the story just wasn't told well and didn't care for the new characters. Having said that, the sad sad gamers who feel so entitled that they have to send death threats to actors, who clearly had a passion for this project are just stupid. You can dislike something and not be an asshole or a crazed idiot. The 1st game still exists for those who don't like the 2nd. Be critical sure, but don't be an asshole. Anyways keep creating, even if there's people who don't enjoy it there will be people who do, everything can't be for everyone.

@troybaker

4 жыл бұрын

BalianBlue 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@Catherine_Brown24

4 жыл бұрын

🙏👌🏻💯

@eyas6943

4 жыл бұрын

Respect bro🤜.

@xenon-biker925

4 жыл бұрын

Perfectly said.

@eyas6943

4 жыл бұрын

I agree with you but some people are always spreading hate to ND and the game a lot. Like we get it already.

This was honestly such a breath of fresh air with all the toxicity surrounding the discussion about this game. Even though I have some problems with the game, I still commend Neil and the team for creating something they are proud of. Naughty Dog is really important to the industry and I really hope they learn and grow moving foward.

@tranvinhnhat1289

4 жыл бұрын

I think they will.

@user-ec9um8xl2w

4 жыл бұрын

People can't just move forward they waited 6 or 7 years for this sequel and it was shit. I think Neil is the one to move forward since he can't take criticism for shit.

@CaioAraujoRibeiro

4 жыл бұрын

@@user-ec9um8xl2w People *should* move foward. The game wasn't what you expected, so what? Even though I don't agree with all of his points I don't blame Neil for trying to protect his and the team's work, especially with how most of the discourse around this game has been. I'm just glad they are getting the outside help they need to better their work conditions. People have 0 empathy these days man...

@user-ec9um8xl2w

4 жыл бұрын

And Neil can still protect his team he could have blocked all the videos that show the leaks and not the one's that show nothing but their options except he copy right strike people including one's that show their options.

@CaioAraujoRibeiro

4 жыл бұрын

@@user-ec9um8xl2w I don't feel like I know enough about these copyright abuse claims to comment, if it really happened this way, yeah, Neil/NG shouldn't be doing this. My point stands.

I loved the emotional nuances and grace notes in The Last of Us Part 2 that were often overlooked by the games harshest critics. The scene where Ellie was in the space capsule at the museum with Joel or the porch scene between the same characters will be difficult for me to forget.

@sunnysied713

4 жыл бұрын

Most of the emotional scenes were cheaply earned. The flashback scenes were great, but they totally relied on the original game and nostalgia/bonds that people had from the first game. There's no room for GRACE in the Last of Us universe. Ellie forgave/pardoned/showed mercy to Abby at the last possible second because of grace (a magical one second flashback to spare, which contradicted the first flashback to kill). Naughty Dog gave us a cheesey, poetic, biblical ending (grace???) for characters who exist in a kill-or-be-killed, do-or-die apocalyptic hellscape. They were striving for a realistic, survivor story with gray morality (no heroes, no villains, everyone is awful) and they employed a cliché (poorly setup) grace forgiveness _trope_ to spare Abby. It's very incongruent with the major themes of the game.

@sij748

4 жыл бұрын

Sunny Sied I disagree that there’s no room for grace. I think there is room for grace. The first game had graceful moments, for example the scene with the giraffes 🦒

@sunnysied713

4 жыл бұрын

@@sij748 Joel's redemption arc had much more setup than Ellie's. The giraffe scene was symbolic of how the dark clouds had parted and they had grown together to become friends. The whole game supported their character development and gradual friendship. Ellie's forgiveness had almost zero setup. There was one flashback that reminded her to kill Abby (PRIMARY objective for the whole game). Then another flashback came along and made her character perform a sudden 180-degree turn. It was unbelievable. Ellie didn't grow as a character. There was no reflection, introspection, remorse or regret that justified her release of Abby. Ellie didn't grow and Abby didn't earn 'forgiveness'. THIS kind of grace doesn't exist in the Last of Us world. You can argue that the Farm scene was like grace because Ellie received a much-too-perfect 'happy ending' that felt like an out-of-place dream sequence. She had her loving and supportive partner (Dina), healthy and adorable baby boy (J.J.) and a bucolic farm in some idylic and peaceful countryside location. Ellie won the lottery, but she took that _grace_ (good luck, fortune, blessing) and thew it all away. No one can honestly believe that Ellie would forgive Abby. She abandoned her family in the zombie apocalypse, traveled 1,044 miles to Santa Barbara, killed many more people, threatened to kill a child to force a fight to the death, battled until they were bloody, Abby bit off her two fingers, Ellie drowns her to an inch of her life and GRACE somehow magically appears??? There's no way anybody forgives that quickly in such an intense battle with their most hated enemy. Abby did nothing to earn forgiveness. And Ellie didn't grow as a character to forgive. The grace is undeserved and unbelievable.

@sij748

4 жыл бұрын

Sunny Sied you misunderstood what I meant by “grace notes”

@sunnysied713

4 жыл бұрын

@@sij748 Nevermind, I understand the term now after looking it up :)

Hello Troy, Neil. I am a English Teacher from Caracas, Venezuela who spent $60 as everyone else for The last of us part II. I just want to say, THANK YOU. What a down to earth game. I loved each part of it. Thank you Neil. Troy, I am such a big fan of your work, mate. Thank you for The Joker, Ocelot, Samuel Drake and JOEL! Looking forward for what else you are going to deliver!

It's fascinating how Cory feared that GoW would get this exact same reaction TLOU2 is getting right now, because he tried something different with an established and universally loved franchise, I'm glad he didn't falter on his vision, just like I'm glad Neil didn't falter on his, despite knowing that it could be divisive and controversial, and I hope he won't allow this toxicity to make him falter on any out-of-the-norm ideas he's planning for future projects, because that's how we get masterpieces.

@SPECTER0459

4 жыл бұрын

The reason why people criticize this game is the characters are killed or ruined to serve the message that psychopathic revenge is bad, despite the fact that the characters we know would have behaved in a much different manner, and that the person they're pushing you to like, Abby, is immune to the only message the damn plot can make. And the part where they try to justify torturing and killing off one of the main reasons you waited for this game, by giving you ten hours of someone you don't know, and likely will never care about. Joel and Ellie are given one hour of screentime just so I know that a writer can subvert my expectations and kill off the franchise in a really dissatisfying manner. But they designed it that way, so I'm sorry, I was wrong. I forgot that anything that's planned is good.

@NichtNameee

4 жыл бұрын

@@SPECTER0459 Don't forget the strong and independent pregnant woman who desperately wants to be killed by Ellie.

@captainfantastic3490

4 жыл бұрын

Stupid Comparison.

@mdiggler

4 жыл бұрын

Very different examples. Cory did not kill off Kratos 1 hour into the game and make you play as his killer.

@mabonman

4 жыл бұрын

@@SPECTER0459 all you're saying is you didn't like it lol. That's fine. Nothing is right or wrong. Nothing is ruined. You just didn't like it. I didn't like blade runner 2, it's still a really well made film made by lots of people trying to do something with heart. Deckard isn't ruined, ya know. That's fine.

Beautiful interview. I love how passionate Troy Baker is about art and I love how strong of an advocate he is for this project. I also love the creative passion of Neil Druckmann. The two of them seem to have a great relationship and it's always a treat to hear them talk together! I hope to hear more from them!

You know that rare feeling when you listen to music and youre just completely lost in it and thinking of your entire life? Same thing happen to me in part 2 but in a very long and powerful way. Had my fair share of obsessions, lost and still trying to let go. This captured everything right that I never questioned anything. I knew why. I couldn't stop crying at so many parts, the porch scene just...It killed me man. holly damn.. Cant express enough how much this story means to me.

something I’ve noticed at the end of TLOU2 and hopefully am right lol. We all think Ellie lost Dina, JJ, and Tommy (basically everything). What we haven’t noticed is that before she went out to kill Abby again, she wasn’t wearing the bracelet Dina gave to her, but at the very end the camera zooms in on Ellie’s hand and we notice she is wearing the bracelet. Also notice how her fingers seemed to have healed, somewhat. ALSO notice how she was wearing completely different clothes. With all this info I believe that she returned to Jackson along with the others, and in the final scene she was just going to bring back the guitar, but in order for her to let Joel go, she decides to leave the guitar behind. Showing us that Ellie has moved on

I loved this game, Ive played it through twice. The first Last of Us was brilliant and showed me games can be more than just a game but a real story and experience. The Last of Us 2 has changed my expectations for games again. I want more games that test me emotionally. I want more games with huge depth in the story and acting. I dont just want games that move from level to level. I want to be pushed out of my comfort zone. This game did this. Another person called Regina has made a comment about the Porch Scene and I want that level of nuance and depth of writing in games from now on. That scene was perfectly done. The things I didnt like that happened in this game are some of the things made me love the game. I loved the fact I didnt get the game I wanted. I got something I didnt expect and something that made me think. Please make another instalment but also make sure you do it your way and follow your own vision. The best game I have ever played, it was an experience as well as a game.

@bigounce5337

4 жыл бұрын

I don’t think I’ve ever agreed more with a KZread comment in my life. 🙌

@breyannarollins9120

4 жыл бұрын

I completely agree! I weirdly enjoyed the way the game made me uncomfortable playing Abby, and made me attack Ellie. It definitely pushed me out of my comfort zone! I’ve never played a character I felt angry at! So different and so brilliant!

@SPECTER0459

4 жыл бұрын

The message of the game is that revenge is bad. But it only applies to the characters you care about. And the characters you care about act in ways that are not indicative of what we have grown to know them as. So if you like stories designed to use your emotions to service a cheap "don't be a psychopath" message. I guess that's your decision. But it in no way compares to works of tragedy such as Hamlet or Romeo and Juliet, that say much more about the human experience than we could ever hope to gather from the summation of this forced torture experiment.

@schelle8

4 жыл бұрын

Couldn´t have said it any better

@cynicalidealist11

4 жыл бұрын

​@@SPECTER0459 The hatred that Ellie feels for Abby is an externalized reflection of the hatred Ellie harbors for herself. Why? Well Joel deeply hurt both Abby and Ellie in different ways and they both punished him for it. Ellie hates Abby for torturing Joel to death, especially because she didn't get a chance to restore her relationship with Joel. This is a mirror because Ellie also tortured Joel, she did it for years but in a different way, and I'd say in a way that was more painful for Joel, and that was by disconnecting from him. She hates herself for torturing him like that and not restoring their relationship when there was still time. That's the real pain she has been trying to avoid facing during this entire revenge quest, she's like a drug addict using revenge to avoid dealing with those painful feelings of regret/self hate. This is the realization she has while she is drowning Abby when she has the flashback to the scene on the porch with Joel and chooses to spare Abby. She's not just forgiving Abby, she's really most importantly forgiving herself and finally coming to terms with what happened between her and Joel, her leaving his guitar to rest in the house and walking away is supposed to symbolically represent that she has forgiven Joel, made peace with what happened between them and is finally ready to move on and start a new life. Saying the game is just about "revenge is bad" is the most surface level takeaway.

My personal take was that TLOU2 was an exceptional, moving experience. I’m glad that there are people out there that are brave enough to tell a story like this - especially with such beloved characters. I can only judge TLOU2 by my own experience - and a week after finishing, I’m still thinking about it. The acting was exceptional, found the writing to be masterfully executed, and I was fully invested in the story like no other experience that I can recall. Went through the full gamut of emotions for both Ellie’s and Abby’s path from revenge to acceptance. I hope that the vitriol that was/is circulating about this game does not have lasting impacts for those involved, and does not dissuade like minded projects in the future.

@snake1972

4 жыл бұрын

I agree,as moving as a bowel movement

@kwakusmall5706

3 жыл бұрын

It was ayt

@QuestforFrancesca

3 жыл бұрын

Eat shit then

@niharshastri3519

2 жыл бұрын

@@snake1972 Your whole life is an L

@niharshastri3519

2 жыл бұрын

@@QuestforFrancesca yikes

SO GRATEFUL FOR YOU AND EVERYONE THAT WORKED ON THIS MASTERPIECE 💯

@derek2802

2 жыл бұрын

TLOU2 = Garbage game 🗑😂

@thomasrosendahl2783

Жыл бұрын

​@@derek2802 A garbage game that sold as much as Skyrim, automatically turns into a masterpiece.

@derek2802

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasrosendahl2783 LMAO no it didn’t 😂😂🤡🤡 i

@mrsull6720

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasrosendahl2783 yes because of lying lol. Adding joel in the trailer for us to by. Ofc a game that high of a status will sell. but a masterpiece like christopher nolan movies doesnt have 5.5 rating lol. that is what can decide. not all masterpiece is 10 out of 10 but majority loves it and part 2 is not it lol. actors and directors doesnt get so much hate over a masterpiece so consider that.....

First off, thanks to both of you for your tremendous efforts in creating TLOU and TLOU2. I loved the games, and though I don't completely love all the story choices that were made for pt. 2, I do respect them. It took a lot of bravery to not rinse and repeat the first game. Secondly, I just want to say that I think it's great that Neil speaks about the Developers and how hard they worked. I'm a Scrum Master (a work methodology coach for dev teams), and though I've only worked on a couple of projects that were laughably smaller than this game I do have some understanding about how much effort the devs (and of course everyone involved in the project) put into it. This game is judged a LOT based on story decisions and it seems like the absolutely stunning graphics, sound design, set pieces, and amazingly solid/fun gameplay get ignored or put to the side in discussions. So, I just want to give a special shoutout to all the developers and artists and people that worked "behind the scenes" to make this game so much fun to actually look at, play and experience. You're all the elites of the gaming industry in my opinion.

I know there's been so much negativity spreading around TLOU2, but everyone did an amazing job with the game. Thank you for this conversation. 🤘

Whenever I hear voice of Troy Baker I immediately imagine Booker DeWitt from Bioshock Infinite. It’s happened because in Russia almost all video games have localization with Russian voices. So for me, voice of Joel it’s not Troy Baker. As for Bioshock Infinite, that incredible games came in 2013 without any localization, only with subtitles, so I heard all original voices, including voice of Troy Baker and it was awesome! Speaking of The Last of us part 2, best game! 10 of 10! Great work guys!

51:54 As a member of the internet, I'd like to inform that the actor who played a duet with Ellie is called Roshan Maloney :)

troy talking about laura near the end made me cry man. she’s so strong

“If somehow the Lord gave me a second chance at that moment, I would do it all over again” Wow! I mean just.....WOW! Personally for me, this game is one of the most poetic, beautiful, phenomenal pieces of art I've experienced in years. The best character development and most powerful storytelling I've seen since Breaking Bad (my fave show of all time) my jaw dropped a million times, my heart nearly bet out of my cheast, I gasped out loud literally about 15 times, just when I thought my mind was blown to infinity, this absolute masterpiece just got better and better and better until that porch scene left me speechless! No comment can ever express how much I adored every second of this experience so Imma stop here! Thank you so much Troy, Ashley, Neil, Laura, Halley and everyone at Naughty Dog for making such a magnum opus! ❤❤❤ and for creating Joel and Ellie, two of my fave characters in all of fiction! 😊 Playthrough no. 6 here I come!! 🤠

@leodesilva7664

4 жыл бұрын

Ahh the feeeels man :'(

@GrownManPat

4 жыл бұрын

Joel lives on through the whole game. I believe his death made him more special.

Well I'm obviously way late, but I just want to thank the both of you, as well as Ashley, Laura, and the entire team at Naughty Dog for such an incredible and memorable story in The Last of Us 2. I'm on my fourth playthrough and find that it's still the most moving experience I've had with a controller in my hands. I still find myself lying awake some nights and mulling it all over. Also, I've never been so adamant about defending a game from bad faith detractors before. I spend maybe *too* much time arguing with people who played the game with a closed mind, but I couldn't feel more justified in my love for the game.

I’m on my 4th playthrough of the game, and it never fails to hit home with the intense emotions. Thank you everyone at Naughty Dog for this gift. I surely didn’t waste it.

One of the best most insightful conversations I've heard in a while. Thanks for this and this life changing game.

Even though the story wasn't really for me, the acting was absolutely amazing. Couldn't have been any better.

I personally don’t like the direction the story went in Part II, because all my characters ended up worse off. Broken or dead. However, I can definitely still appreciate the thing as a whole, and the acting and direction never faltered. Troy, Ashley, and Neil obviously care so deeply about this world, so my opinions about the narrative don’t ruin the experience for me, because I can tell it didn’t go that way because of negligence, every creative decision feels agonized over, it’s not taken lightly.

@thisbubblygoodness7611

4 жыл бұрын

i havent finished the game yet but I find it to be an interesting irony in terms of death, a lot of people were expecting Joel to get the hero's death treatment, but to see him die the same way as practically everyone else he's killed or has died, his death wasn't romanticized which i thought was a good change

@tiagocerqueira2569

4 жыл бұрын

I agree with you. When I finished the game it felt like they took us everything and gave us nothing. However apart from the story is nearly perfect and thats probably why this gap between story and gameplay is so frustrating to me. Like "what a perfect game would have been" if they chose other directions but thats my personal opinion

@rx7dude2006

4 жыл бұрын

So basically you don't like a sad ending.

@jamesdixon6903

3 жыл бұрын

rx7dude2006 It wasn’t just the ending that was sad it was 30 fucking hours of depressing,nonsensical drivel.

@rx7dude2006

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesdixon6903 Nonsensical drive?You really didn't get it then.

I was one of the people that when I heard about the leaks, instantly setup filters to block any news about TLOU Part 2, and punched in so many diffrent TLOU keywords on twitter to block Just finished the game this Saturday, I only played in the weekends, because I did not want it to end. By being completely in the dark I got all the surprises in the game and in the correct context, and had such an amazing time with the game I was beyond floored by this game and the story, the whole team at ND which includes the cast has done such an amazing job, it even got me thinking about picking up an Guitar even though I can't play :) I can see why the game has taken this long to make with blood, sweat and tears. By being in the dark about everything ND and TLOU Part 2 related untill now also meant I did not knew about the Backlash at Laura Bailey, so hearing about it here first, and then starting to read about it all makes me both angry and sad. The internet can be really cruel, but her Character ended up being one of my new favorites to the TLOU world. and the whole journey she has been through, such an amazing role, and performance! First I was angry at her, the Character not Laura, and then by the end of the game I really felt for her, and was so glad I didn't have to go through with it to be fair, I also thought that would have been a too "easy" resolution to it all so I am really happy for the ending we got. Oh and this Interview or talk with Neil Druckmann is one of the most down to earth, honest and real interviews I have heard for a long time. the subjects you talked about realyy surprised me. I could just sit and hear you two talk for hours :) Would love to hear your talk with other people from the team, perhaps even someone you don't see in interviews so much. Perhaps with The Amazing Gustavo Santaolalla, now that you are both Musicians, would love to hear about his thought process about the music in the game, and your thoughts about it. I still am crossing my fingers for a Secret Doc about the game process like the people from Area5 did with the first game that we just haven't heard about yet. hearing how Grounded was not suppose to be a doc from the start was pretty interesting. Congrats with the new Channel here Troy, I can't wait to see what you will talk about next.

@troybaker

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for your thoughtful and exhaustive reply. This is the whole point: for us to share our stories and to inspire you to do the same. And I appreciate the patience. Most of our engagement happens via our Patreon for now but we’ll be rolling out more conversations like this on YT soon. - TB

I finished the game yesterday. It was emotionally the hardest, meanest, toughest experience in my 36+ gaming life. If you contemplate the game after finishing it, it means it was exceptional. So soul tearing, so ambivalent. So special. There were many comparisons but the closest one for me is: "Apocalypse Now" of gaming, and being compared to Francis Ford Coppola is the best thing anyone could hear. 10/10. I'm sending my thanks and respects from Poland. P.S. Thank you Neil for that little WWII note found in the synagogue...

@MacGuyver85

4 жыл бұрын

matirishhh Hah, Apocalypse Now is what comes to mind for me as well, especially when people complain this game isn’t “fun”. Apocalypse Now isn’t a fun and happy story either, but man, what a movie. Same with Schindler’s List that Neil mentions.

I could listen to this for hours on end. Never has a game made me feel so many different emotions and change the way I think. I finished the game weeks ago and it has not left my thoughts for a minute. I feel so deeply impacted by it and changed by my experience of playing it and will never forget. To me, the game is a masterpiece and has revolutionised the way stories can be told, daring to be different, unique and bold. So powerful. The passion that you, Neil, Ashley, Laura etc. exude is so amazing and contagious and is what makes this game more than just a game; it’s art. Thank you for making this experience, will never forget it. Can’t wait to see where this channel goes and what conversations come in the future. Keep doing what you’re doing man, you inspire me in so many ways and I look forward to whatever comes next. Much love 👊❤️

Troy, if you read this, I want you to know that I never have ever gotten as attached to a character more than Joel. Your amazing performance left me in tears, and I know it’s just a video game, but you should be proud of yourself. Thanks for making me so connected to such a great character, I wish you the best! 🥰

I don't know if you'll ever see this Troy but as an aspiring actor who just finished studying Drama and Performing Arts at University you have always been an inspiration and are without a doubt my favourite actor and someone I can only dream of working with in the future. The same way you spoke about your meeting with Kevin Conroy on the set of Arkham City, I can't imagine what I'd do if I have had the opportunity. Your performances are nothing short of spectacular and I can't express how much The Last of Us has meant to me over the years and how amazing my experience with Part 2 was. I hope you're staying safe in these trying times and I hope one day to meet you in any capacity to personally say thank you for everything you've done for a person you've never even met. (Also your Joker has now replaced Mark Hamills as the one I hear in my head when I read Batman comics as well as Bruce Wayne over Kevin Conroy so there's that)

"there's this other project" 😍

@blackmambagyn

4 жыл бұрын

I’m hoping for a Tommy DLC. A big one with a 40$ price tag and 12 hours long.

@blackmambagyn

4 жыл бұрын

Crazy Cletus I see. But I’m hoping for something close to Uncharted: The Lost Legacy. They did it once, I’d like to see that again. Hopefully.

@introvert6705

4 жыл бұрын

When does he say that?

@hiember

3 жыл бұрын

INTROVERT® at the very beginning he quickly says that

@mikes5637

3 жыл бұрын

I think he's talking about their next big IP. Or the TLOU TV show.

For me, this game was a master class in perspective-taking. I’m a marriage and family therapist, and I can tell you that taking a perspective that you would not naturally be inclined to take, let alone completely immerse yourself in, is probably the single most difficult task I can ask of a client. Bravo to Naughty Dog for asking this of your players; and THANK YOU all for having faith that (I’d say... at least half of us?) were able to do it and find an unparalleled gaming experience thanks to your brave storytelling choices. And before anyone comments and insults the “other side” of the fanbase (minus the hateful commenters... there is NO EXCUSE for that), I’d like to share my perspective on clients, players in this case, who absolutely *cannot* rise to the task of perspective-taking. They are not stupid; they just have absolute faith in the superiority of their perspective, to the point where it impedes any semblance of effective communication. In some ways, I admire that conviction, but it saddens me that these people are missing so many of the beautiful moments in this game because their hearts are hardened to many of the characters. I’m also seeing a lot over over-intellectualizing going on regarding this game. Now I would normally applaud anyone who puts on their thinking cap, but I think these intellectuals are putting on their thinking caps instead of feeling their feelings. I want to shout, “It’s okay to be angry! It’s okay to love Joel so deeply that you absolutely can’t get behind Abby! Just admit what’s really going on! Please stop insulting the intelligence of the brilliant minds behind the game, and please stop insulting the intelligence of the players who enjoyed the game.” True intellectualism requires curiosity, and that’s what I’m failing to see from those who launch these diatribes. As Daniel Boorstin said, “The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge.” I didn’t play the game knowing any of Naughty Dog’s intentions. But it delights me to know that some of my takeaways turned out to be in line with the intentions of the creative team. Some were perhaps just my own personal takeaways, influenced by my own like experiences. And I think that’s okay, too!!! At any rate, this game has enriched my emotional granularity, it’s helped me professionally, and I’ll carry it in my heart forever. So THANK YOU. 💕

I loved the game. To me, it’s a masterpiece. I wish the chapters could’ve been put together a little differently but it’s still an awesome game. I can’t wait for the next project. Naughty dog is still, to me, the best game developer. 👍

@freedomisourright1609

4 жыл бұрын

Naughty Dog is the best even for me ❤️

@freedomisourright1609

4 жыл бұрын

@Dagger lol I read one of your comments and you said that you played it for 4/5 hours. You can't say that if you did not even finished it. Bye

@Maaden84

4 жыл бұрын

@Dagger you have not played it, if you have, tell us your psn so we can check. But you havent, so just go fuck yourself

@AVerySillySausage

4 жыл бұрын

Was a masterpiece until the 2nd half imo... overall I ended on an 8/10. Just that whole batch of characters is so much harder to sympathise with, they could have done better there. All these people just seem farily hostile in nature, with them being soliders. Owen is the most sympathetic by nature. Just with how brutal and sadistic that scene was, it's so hard for the characters to come back from that. And damn...if they pulled it off it would have been incredible, but I don't think they did. It probably would have served the game better to have the POV constantly jumping back and forth rather than paced out like it was as well. Just something about that early scene too, Abbey just comes across as more sadistic like she is enjoying it rather than vengeful, you don't feel the pain of her loss, she just seems like she's enjoying the torture. And then she plays Ramsay Bolton like mind games rather than telling Joel why she is doing what she is doing. What kind of revenge is that if the person doesn't even know who you or what you are punshing them for?

@RockLoi

4 жыл бұрын

@@AVerySillySausage I think that says more about Joel than it does Abby if he needs clarification on which particular sin from his past he is getting his comeuppance for.

When it's really just two friends talking about something they love it's always great insight

I’d like to share something if I may. I am a Design Strategist and one of our important rules of design is to make things accessible to everyone. When we have the task of constructing a building, it needs to be accessible for everyone including the elderly and disabled people. That means creating ramps, elevators, handlebars, or whatever. So this exact concept can be replicated in games, which TLOU2 has done so exceptionally well. The colorblind mode and ability to find objects easier made the game much better. Customizing the button layout was also an incredible highlight that more games should follow. I think those were really spot on and have allowed more people to enjoy playing video games. I really admire that commitment the team of developers made to ensure it was all programmed together beautifully. Congrats 🎈🎊🍾

I loved the game. Naughty dog remain my favourite developers and you guys still manage to innovate, set new standards and blow my mind. Last of us 2 has impressed me more than any other game I have played this generation and was the first game that made full use of my tv's abilities. The game has the best HDR I've seen in a game and seen on my tv and has the most impressive AI I have seen this gen. I have played the game twice so far and had a blast with it. It's a tough act to follow and a nice transition to the next gen. Look forward to seeing what you guys bring to the PS5.

Thank you for this video, I think this is what a lot of people needed to hear, this has given me closure. appreciate it. Can you make a part 2?

@morganc1143

4 жыл бұрын

I absolutely agree with this, I felt the same

That's an awesome thing to hear such a intelligent, fragile and carying two human beings no shit-talking to eachother, just having a ballanced, think through conversation like those two. Shout out to these guys and all members of ND for delivering us such a great game which make you think and feel on just another level!

5:04 Niel’s answer here may be why the game suffered such strange direction in story and character development....he says he did less than “half of the writing, where he did majority of it on the first game.” They said from the beginning that a lot of people would hate it...and they weren’t wrong. I think they were blindsided by the amount of people who didn’t like it. I played it, watched interviews with Druckman explaining why they made the choices (and even now I’m still watching interviews to try to understand more) and it hasn’t change my opinion towards the game and I really wanted to love it. I went out of my way to give the benefit of the doubt on almost every story and character arc, I really did. It helped me understand why things happened, but it didn’t change my feeling of ...well, “betrayal” sounds too dramatic, but idk how they thought the main choices were good ones. It was bold and I respect them for trying something so bold, but for most people it doesn’t seem to have worked in their favor. You can tell they’re still crestfallen with the response and that’s certainly how I still feel.

I absolutely love Neil's comment near the end stating that he didnt care about how well the game sells, as long as they make enough to keep doing what they doing. Best thing I have ever heard, that is the mindset more creators need to have. They told the story they needed to tell, and didmt do it just to make people happy. This game is transcending, and is the best game I have ever experienced.

@SirSteeeve

4 жыл бұрын

@Adelina Lihari that's part of his point, their objective isnt to make as much money as possible (like most if not all developers would do) it's just to make enough money and do well enough for them to keep making the games they want to make. So basically as long as Sony is happy with how well the game did and allows them to keep creating content for them then he is happy too

I do have to say the last of us part 1 was my first serious game and I LOVED IT! The second game lived up to my expectations so well. I cannot say it enough but because of you have have created. New generation of gaming. Thank you so much an this new game was so good

A great conversation between two colleagues/friends. I got more out of this than expected.

I could listen to ten hours of this. Neil clearly is such a thoughtful, clever, bold storyteller. Thankful there’s someone like him making these stories.

I pictured the guy who voiced Joel looking like the Brawny guy, my bad. Incredible voice acting talent

Thank you both very much, this game has helped me through some tough times. Been trying to recover an addiction and while I was playing the game I had completely forgotten about it all together. The game had just captured me and I was so invested in all of the characters. Beautiful game, thank you all at Naughty Dog.

I am an actor myself and seeing the work you guys put into this was Incredible, the scene where Abby kills Joel....I have never felt more hatred and sadness in my life for a game, not the game, the story. That scene broke me, that wasnt acting to me that was very real for you guys as us players could see. That's the work and it was beautifully written. This is my all time favourite video game from the storyline, the detail and the realism that was conveyed throughout the entirety of the game. This game means the world to me and I just want to thank Neil Druckmann, Troy Baker, Ashley Johnson, Laura Bailey and the rest of the cast and crew that created this masterpiece. This game taught me different things and honestly changed me in good ways. I hope one day to work with you all! Love y'all

Every time i read Neils name now I pronounce it "Neil Dr. Uckmann"

@huhhuh364

3 жыл бұрын

Goddamit, I finally just saw the play on words after knowing about it for 6 months. I usually pick up on that stuff instantly, I just thought they thought it was funny to cut off the beginning of his last name

Man, that Ellie/Jessie truck scene was In. Credible. I was just playing this game through again for the second time and that sequence really stands out, especially after the combat scenario right before it. Hands down one of my favorite parts of the game.

@ever4381

4 жыл бұрын

The part before the truck scene is one of the best and most challenging things I have played, and it really flows very well with the enemy AI

Wow this was a REAL conversation between two very passionate people.

Thank you for this video. The almost 1 and half hours felt like 5 minutes. Such a great conversation between you and Neil. Your acting on the porch scene even made me 😢... Thank you for everything troy Baker & Naughty Dog ❤

Troy's laugh after Neil brought up "that guy" on twitter made me lose my mind. Too funny!

@sethbane9861

4 жыл бұрын

Was “that guy” he was talking about Colin Moriarty? I feel like I heard him say something similar to that on his podcast, but I’m not sure lol

@sethbane9861

4 жыл бұрын

Italian Cuss Words Generator 1.0 Gotcha! That makes sense, thanks for the info

I totally got the tommy thing.. the man was the product of being overcome with hatred and revenge. He couldn’t let it go and he lost Maria probably because of it... and became lonely... and bitter.

It was interesting to hear what Neil had to say and I for one am glad to have played the game and man did the game have a lot of amazing lines. One of these lines was "I'd do it again" that line stayed in my head since I finished the game. Well done Troy and Neil for giving us an amazing LEGIT Video

I'm a PC gamer and recently purchased a PS4 Pro and played TLOU 3 weeks ago for the very first time ever (I know I know better late then never!). Finished Part 2 last week and I am still recovering emotionally from it. I've never gone through such an emotional experience in a video game. I laughed, I cried, I swore (a lot!) and probably experienced every known human emotion. Our world and society is going through a turbulent period right now and this game will stand the test of time, it has set a new bar. Thank you Troy, Neil all the actors and talented people at Naughty Dog for your love and passion bringing this experience to light.

Two great friends and colleagues just going from tangent to tangent, coming across as people more than just professionals. I could watch that kind of content for days.

What I liked about The Last of Us Part 2 is that it just didn't copy and paste the first game and challenged players a little. It's not what everyone expected, and sure, I'd have liked more Joel and Ellie scenes, but there's some really clever stuff in the writing, especially in regards to the relationship between the player and the character. It reminded me a lot of Metal Gear Solid 2 in that regard. You're not playing as a silent protagonist that you can project onto, you're playing as Ellie/Joel/Abbie, characters with their own set motivations and ideals, that you as the player might not agree with. It's a shame about the leaks, but I did manage to dodge all of them - until someone posted a golf club meme on something, I think that soured a lot of people on it, not knowing the context. Did every single aspect work? No. But trying to do something different rather than just doing it again with nicer graphics is commendable.

Great sequel , deep story with many messages behind it . U all have my congratulations & my support ♥️

I appreciate how active you are in your comment section. It really emphasizes and fulfills the invitation to be part of a conversation from the first video on the channel.

it’s so relieving to come across a video about this game to see the comments are so positive and respectful. maybe i didn’t scroll far enough, but this game truly deserves positive acknowledgement. what we were gifted with this game was beyond any game that i’ve ever played before, and what felt like the most important “movie” i could watch. it pulled on my heart strings and left me feeling heavy and cold, but so does life. the realistic dimension this game grasps is captivating and so special, that’s why so many people can relate to it. i ultimately think revenge was the kickstarter of the plot, but it wasn’t the ending focal point. it’s about love and forgiveness, losing yourself but then finding your humanity. truly some of the scariest things we can feel. this game was art and i can’t thank you and every single person at naughty dog enough for this new gained perspective.

@MacGuyver85

4 жыл бұрын

Ela There’s plenty of vitriol unfortunately but far more positivity thankfully. A lot of the negative comments come across as people with mental issues to be honest. I hope they find their peace someday soon.

@MacGuyver85

4 жыл бұрын

No scientific evidence for multiverse Weird. You don’t think sending death threats over a video game story is a clear sign of mental problems? As with everything there’s a wide scale there.

I just want everyone that worked on this game. I want to thank you. You have made a masterpiece of a video game. And I want to thank everyone at naughty Dog for crafting this game. It is beautiful. Thank You Naughty Dog

The ONLY thing I hated about Part 1 was being forced to kill the surgeon. Abby's dad died from a bullet to the knee. I'm sorry Abby, it was me who sent you on this vengeful path. Take me, spare Joel. P.S: Laura Bailey was and is awesome!

@justyeehaa

4 жыл бұрын

I have finished replaying TLOU1 today, I litteraly shot the doc in the hand and he just dropped dead... I guess he was alergic to bullets ..

@psychedelicyeti6053

4 жыл бұрын

@@justyeehaa and arrows. I remember watching someone saying, "this dude took an arrow to the knee!" Had me 💀

@ahmedladan6967

4 жыл бұрын

@@justyeehaa the game was programmed for the surgeon to die. they already had that in mind. killing the surgeon was a MUST. can't proceed without killing him but they gave you the option to spare the other two. that's why even if you shoot him in the hand he dies instantly.

@justyeehaa

4 жыл бұрын

@@ahmedladan6967 ​ "they already had that in mind" If you're talking about Part2 - you're wrong, they didn't know if there will ever be a sequel and what it could possibly be about.

Watching this for the first time to celebrate the aniversary of the game. Thank you so much for this game, so much. I have never felt so hard for any other medium before. Thank you Neil and ND. Please part III

@joeyxl3456

3 жыл бұрын

100 % agreed

After I finished TLoU2, I immediately booted up my copy of TLoU Remastered so I could get the whole story from beginning to end, and I feel like folks for whom TLoU2 didn't sit well should do that if possible The turns the story takes and the themes it tackles can be easily obscured and distorted by nostalgia of the first game if it isn't fresh in your mind I won't say it will 100% change your opinion but I honestly feel like these games are better taken as a cohesive whole than as separate experiences

@juandecarvalho8405

4 жыл бұрын

People who hate the sequel's story have a sugar coated version of the first one's ending mixed with fan fiction and all ("there were other immune people who were killed", lol).

@roadogsc

4 жыл бұрын

@@juandecarvalho8405 What would a cure do? Most of the deaths are caused by humans killing other humans. Let's say that this random person could create a cure, in the first game, they were shown to be the bad guys. They stop Joel from helping Ellie, they take everything away from him and then tell him to leave which could be a death sentence for Joel, then they go to kill Ellie without her permission. Then how do we know that they will create the cure and not try to use that to gain power? How would they distribute it? This is why a lot of people don't see why the ending of the first game is mixed, even without our connection to Joel and Ellie, you can see that letting them kill Ellie is a bad idea, either from a "they will gain power if a cure is made" or a "they are pricks that were going to kill two people without their consent and on a hope.

@juandecarvalho8405

4 жыл бұрын

@@roadogsc If Joel is completely right and the Fireflies are "the bad guys", the first one's ending has no meaning, Joel wouldn't even need to lie to Ellie. We can understand Joel, but he didn't make his choice out of analysing the scientific or political implications of a cure, he made it because he would rather see the world burn than let Ellie die. Those were the implications that led to the events of the second game, and to me that was clear years ago. Neil Druckman wrote both games, and he wrote a sequel to his story, not the fan fiction people made of it.

@roadogsc

4 жыл бұрын

@@juandecarvalho8405 I am not saying that Joel thought of any of that at the time. He could just be lying to Ellie because he has yet to look back on the events that led him to that decision. But using hindsight, he could easily see that that was the right choice and then he could explain to Ellie that. It also makes sense using what we know about Joel, he is a logical person and him using emotions is what the whole TLoU1 was building up to, but just because of him using emotions that one time does not mean he stops being logical, and the logical thing to do is to see that he was right and explain that to Ellie if it comes up. Also, you say that that is what leads to the implications of the second game, what about all the other good and bad guys that we killed in just the first game? Are their sons and daughters gonna come after up? Are there millions of revenge plots going on through out the world? The answer is yes. The issue is that it is hard for many people to connect to a revenge plot is a post apocalyptic world because you do what you have to do to survive and having a "killing bad because revenge"/"revenge bad" is hard for me and many other people to connect to because if you think about the theme in this setting, it falls apart. The one argument that I know many people bring up is that Joel destroyed the JWF(i forget, but Abbys group) and ruined Abby's life, but that was a retcon of the second game so it is not a valid argument. (If there is anything you want clarification on just tell me because it is hard to proof read on mobile)

@juandecarvalho8405

4 жыл бұрын

@@roadogsc "The answer is yes". Exactly. How many hunters, military and canibals died in the first game because of the way they lived? If there's one thing history teaches us is that societies that use excessive violence as the way to move things tend to self destruct in some level, this is no different in the post apocaliptic world. The world became a much better place when most nations saw it was better to sit, talk and trade rather them destroy eachother. In both games, we see Jackson - a town that strugle with the world it's set in, but managed to rebuild civilization in a small scale, where people can have normal and happy lives. The WLF and the Seraffites could have been the same but ended up destroying eachother in a pointless war. And that's the point of the second's story: no "revenge is bad" for the sake of it, but to ilustrate the endless destruction caused by violence and how to move away from it. Also, there are no retcons in TLoU 2. When I see people talking about that, they come with misinterpretetions and fan fiction.