This was a class performance from bot sets fans - the Quins fans giving Chris Ashton a standing ovation after his red and the Tigers fans having friendly banter with Joe Marler after his yellow, massive mutual respect from two proper clubs

Worth taking a moment for Danny Care simply telling the ref he’s knocked it on over the line. Great honesty, and avoiding any delay so the game can keep going. Some man

Some VERY questionable decisions against both sides. Great to see Marler go with a smile

@ashatron656

Жыл бұрын

He was smiling until the linesman put his hand on his shoulder to shepard him on to the sin bin. Then Marler get angry and said "Don't touch me, do not put your hands on me.", was a bit uncalled for.

@trim3408

Жыл бұрын

​@@ashatron656 uncalled for? Probably correct. But, also, it's Joe Marler. One of the most Marmite players of English top flight rugby of the past few decades. So I suppose the point herein made is, so what?

@andrewp1075

Жыл бұрын

Marler is a w@nkër

@crawford1083

Жыл бұрын

Having some silly t@rt as TMO doesn't help.

@Desi365

Жыл бұрын

@@trim3408 He is pathetic

Terrible refereeing. The fact that Ashton was given a red when it clearly wasn't intentional and Smith was low is already ridiculous. That was a yellow card offense. But what makes the decision absolutely mind boggling is the fact that the challenge on Mike Brown was given neither a red nor even a yellow card. I'm a Harlequins fan, but I absolutely understand why there are boos after the game. Refs should be held accountable for terrible decisions like that.

@mrangry2057

Жыл бұрын

Must admit whilst 23 didn't get up, he WAS in a perfect position to take the ball and had eyes up throughout, so the TMO is wrong, but no one would have complained at a Yellow for contact in the air. Ashton yellow also as pointed out, several mitigating factors.

@edgreenhalgh9559

Жыл бұрын

Quins player was about to catch. Brown jumped over him. Rugby incident. Really simple really

@saintdave4980

Жыл бұрын

I agree, I thought 23 was in a good position to catch the ball and Brown jumped over him. Ashton, yellow, trouble is someone runs at you firstly standing tall then you tackle them in an upright position to meet them with most of your body to stop them.

@edgreenhalgh9559

Жыл бұрын

@@WelahMan why couldn't he have caught the ball?

@edgreenhalgh9559

Жыл бұрын

@Plucky Brit no Einstein, I'm asking why lynagh couldn't catch the ball? When he was about to before brown jumped into him.

Funny finish, marler with the tiger fans and basset whacking his nose on smith 😂

I thought falling into the tackle was mitigation. Ref played the man not the ball

@mrangry2057

Жыл бұрын

indeed, and low danger as murly carried through the tackle, not exactly a dominant hit! Then the last lineout BOTH lifters were in front of the jumper sealing off, should have been a pen. This from just the highlights, how many other bad calls were there in the 80?

Happy to see Lynagh getting more and more game time... My dream England wing pairing of Arundell and Lynagh is looking brighter by the day!

Tempest saying no mitigation - clearly ignoring that Murley was low and dipping - plus Ashton lost the collision. Terrible call

This ref’s issue is that he decided he needed to make every call really fast! Look at the best refs in the world, when there’s something big they stop and take a breath before they even speak let alone decide what they’re doing about it

If the tacker is low and the attacker dips into the tackle and a red is awarded...I mean come on....wtf has happened to the game!!!

@Anonymous-xl9pq

Жыл бұрын

No idea, it's ridiculous. It obviously wasn't intentional and Marcus was low. The fact that he gave a red for that and nothing for the challenge on Brown is ridiculous. And this is from a Harlequins fan.

@samoday2992

Жыл бұрын

That ref in the studio was embarrassingly bad! Also wanted a red for the brown high ball !

@alanpassingham5262

Жыл бұрын

It’s not about player protection it’s about over officiating. The protocols for assessing after a head contact are in place. Putting the entire onus on the tackler/defence is wrong

@trim3408

Жыл бұрын

No one replying to this comment has played at a sufficiently high level to understand why the current laws around red cards are the way they are. And it shows.

@dougclark9921

Жыл бұрын

@@trim3408 cheers guru

Rugby is killing itself

So the TMO says there is foul play, Quins player never in a position to catch the ball. And then the ref says no foul play, restart with the scrum...

@Joe-xr4dm

Жыл бұрын

🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

@treecko7424

Жыл бұрын

There clearly wasn't foul play, Lynagh was in the air and underneath the ball. It was just a rugby incident

@Jeffisawesome536

Жыл бұрын

@@treecko7424he jumps whilst underneath brown taking him out leading to a dodgy fall. If this happened for your sir macus smith you would be calling for the death penalty

@lowerorchard

Жыл бұрын

Tempest! Works to the same parallel universe as that other muppet, Dickson!

@Juggler4071

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that one was baffling. It was 100% a penalty.

It's a yellow all day long. Yes its clearly arm to head, but mitigation being Smith had tripped and was falling. He had clearly made his mind up being the TMO. Poor, but fair play to Quins fans for clapping him off as well as Tiger fans.

More long form highlights please!

@ericdavison6186

Жыл бұрын

Without this commentator!

Ref was very harsh on Ashton especially on the occasion of his last match😔

Red cards for marginal calls are really spoiling the game for me. It's no longer a contest.

This is awful from the ref, like he was desperate to give a red card! Then nothing for taking the man in the air? Which actually was dangerous!

Marcus Smith iron head 9:10

Lynagh is good a playing in field. Got good physical presence and breaks through a lot of tackles getting the players around him into space. He’s a good weapon for the England artilary

@elliotharris3965

Жыл бұрын

Isn't he an Aussie. I live in brissie and his brother plays for my local team the Reds

@riowarner0617

Жыл бұрын

​@@elliotharris3965pretty sure he was born in England, and he's grown up playing english rugby

@michaelmondial8897

Жыл бұрын

@@elliotharris3965 He's qualified for England and has said he would like to play for England. Being injured for a year hasn't helped.

@leangrypoulet7523

Жыл бұрын

@@elliotharris3965orn in England, raised in England, went to Hampton School and has been Quins Academy player. Clearly with an Aussie dad he has the right to play for Oz, and he was obviously enjoying his loan time Down Under, but primary allegiance is likely (not guaranteed) England. Having said that, when England were struggling for wings, Nowell injured, and May way off form, he and Ollie Hasell Collins - the two in form Premiership wings in 2021/2, were simply ignored by Eddie Jones and instead he chose to play people out of position, the Eddie way. Hopefully this hasn’t dampened his desire to play for England as I think Lynagh, alongside OHK and Steward, (with Radwan/Arundell on the bench for when play opens up in the last 20), could be a very potent attacking back three.

What on earth is Tempest doing refereeing this game: he has been consistently hopeless for many years now, at all levels, so why are the RFU still using him? I had the pleasure (!) of assessing Tempest many years ago when he refereed at Pirates, and even way back then the signs were ominous: he was poor, at best, in that game, and seems to have gone backwards ever since. We all know that the RFU is extremely short of decent referees, but there are a few around at slightly lower levels - 5, 6, and even 7 - so why not give these guys a chance?. At the same time, get rid of whosoever is coaching Premiership referees - whatever they are doing is just not working.

Never a Red. And how did Lynagh get away with that? I'm a Quins fan BTW.

@rprobp186

Жыл бұрын

I thought that too, didn’t the tmo say no attempt to tackle and has taken him out, to which the replied “knock on “ ?!

much better highlights video

Ref is useless Please don't send him to wc

How Ashton gets a red after Lynagh isn’t even penalised for his obstruction on Brown is a right puzzle.😮

well done quins

@9:09 broken nose?

@karlosdeevs

Жыл бұрын

nah, just a bump. Unless he‘d already done it earlier..

really poor decision by Tempo on the red, Murley’s knee was almost on the ground and Ashton was low, Baxter from Exeter is right, the tefs are looking to send players off rather than keep them in the pitch. Balance needed.

@iannoble404

Жыл бұрын

Ashton was fully upright. When there’s no attempt at a dip I’m under the impression that they ignore mitigation as it’s always going to be foul play.

@iainarthur7713

Жыл бұрын

@@iannoble404 Ashton was bent about 10-15degres off horizontal at the hips. Hardly 'upright'

Did I misunderstand, or was there no card for the challenge on Mike Brown?

@lfproducer

Жыл бұрын

nope no card. should’ve been a yellow maybe even a red

@linalmeemow

Жыл бұрын

@@lfproducer Tempest is a very poor ref,

@Joe-xr4dm

Жыл бұрын

he overturned the penalty and gave a scrum to quins

@lfproducer

Жыл бұрын

@@linalmeemow he is. multiple poor decisions throughout the game

@edgreenhalgh9559

Жыл бұрын

No foul play. So no card

What the referee should be considering is would it have been a high tackle if the quins player was upright. The answer is no, so it should never have been a red card.

Ridiculous that was never a red card for Ashton yellow at worst especially as the Challenge on Brown wasn’t even a pen.

Another great game decided by an over-zealous ref. It has become laughable but it is ruining our great game of rugby. It has to stop and some common sense restored.

Insane red card

So I remember how cards used to be given for deliberate foul play. These days cards is as normal as blades of grass. Pathetic.

@niallbrowne9129

Жыл бұрын

spot on, its a farce

@coatknight

Жыл бұрын

Free kicks have become penalties and penalties cards. Ridiculous! When is the last time you saw a free kick? Is it still in the laws?

@adampoultney8737

Жыл бұрын

@@coatknight actually quite a lot of free kicks in this very game… from marks, about the only thing that gets you one

no way is that a red 😂😂

Tempest was just clueless today and seemed to even overrule the tmo who had the benefit of video playback and who clearly suggests it was dangerous/foul play when brown was taken out in the air and which could have ended in a bad fall on his head (surely something which they should be clamping down on with all the tackle nonsense of late) . Missed lots of offsides and in at the side and crossing in line outs. Plus Some of smith, care, and marler syndicalism (unsporting play). Even relied on the crowd for one offside decision. Not the first time he has under performed as the ref at welford road!?!!

@theowedge3444

Жыл бұрын

that is not the use of the word syndicalism hahaha maybe you mean cynical?? and that brown high ball was never foul play awful call from the two rightfully ignored

@lowerorchard

Жыл бұрын

Not just Welford Road. Him and Dickson are dreaded at Kingsholm

Good summary. Only thing I'm looking forward to is Orient away 😮

The boy from Manila looking good at least his haircut!!!

They need to bring in the Yellow that can be upgraded to a Red option. Automatic reds on such marginal calls are killing the game. This had no real outcome on the Prem season, but other calls have already decided big international games (look at The Roses is last year’s WRWC final or Steward in Irl v Eng in this year’s 6N) and will continue to do so. Also, if head/arm/shoulder to head contact warrants a red for its high level of danger etc, why isn’t the tackled player immediately shipped off for a HIA? If he/she isn’t, then it’s not dangerous, surely? You can’t have one without the other in my opinion. So why not bring in a rule that if a high tackle deserves a yellow, the tackled player must also be HIA’d immediately, and if he/she fails the HIA, then the tackler gets an automatic red. If he/she passes, then they’re back on the pitch and the penalised player gets to return as it’s deemed foul play, rather than dangerous play. And if a tackling player gets a certain number of yellow cards for this offence (three?) in a given season, which would show habitually bad play/technique, then he/she can be banned for the same duration as any given red card for the offence. So maybe three matches plus retraining in tackling. In this case, teams don’t lose out to ambiguous calls, players’ welfare is better managed, ambiguous decisions are avoided, consistent infringement is addressed and a game doesn’t risk be tilted in the favour of one team or another for what is often an accident (Steward in the 6Ns) rather than actual dangerous play.

Dreadful red card. Murley was falling which should have given considerable mitigation. Penalty and maybe a yellow, but never a red.

Why were the Leicester players offside from jvps box kick that went about 5m?

@theowedge3444

Жыл бұрын

anyone in a ten metre radius of the catch must have returned to an offside position, hence the Leicester players in the ruck were technically offside, silly law in this context

@mrdrevilporkchop666

Жыл бұрын

@@theowedge3444 oh right, thought that only applied to kicking in open play, not from a ruck Thanks

@theowedge3444

Жыл бұрын

@@mrdrevilporkchop666 yeah technically a ruck is still open play I think not sure if there’s a difference maybe I’m wrong

"Never in a position to catch it" he was directly under it what is she talking about?!?

how many quins players offside once the maul collapses and turns into a ruck at the end. All interfering with the ball carrier and slowing it down. Mitgation for the tackle from Ashton as the players dipping. clear interference on the catch from Brown. Poor refereeing.

Wow, Tempo wasting no time on those calls.

Lmao did he really say no clear fall on the Ashton card? Bollocks, smith isn’t in a position to physically support his own weight or recover from the fall by the time there is contact.

Hate how long refs let a maul go on for when they aren’t moving

@fietaboys7403

Жыл бұрын

Just part of the game

@coatknight

Жыл бұрын

Or instructs "use it" but when the attacking player doesn't he still usually takes action against the defending team if they go for the ball. If a ref states "use it" it should be open play.

@mrdrevilporkchop666

Жыл бұрын

@@fietaboys7403 feel like Wayne barnes will tell teams to use it a lot quicker though and I agree with that. You can’t expect defences to hold off 8 men over 120kg spinning towards the line for that long

Some really questionable decisions from the referee....

But Joe Marker was NOT sent off !

Never a red. Attacker falling, defender low and not stepping forwards..... Rough on Ashton.

@iannoble404

Жыл бұрын

He was fully upright in the tackle. Everyone knows you can’t do that. Do I agree with the laws? No. But that doesn’t change the fact that if you go upright into a tackle they ignore mitigation

''23 quinns never in a position to catch that'' his hand literally toached the ball you dosey cow

Poor by the ref

nice

i support bath but that is never a red, not healthy for the game that decision

Ref ballsed that game up a bit

Absolutely rubbish decision by referee Tempest to issue a red card when the player was clearly falling and which the disciplinary panel has rightly overturned. Why did the TMO not point this out at the time? Tigers were robbed - and I'm a Bears fan!

Great win for Quins but what was Tempo smoking.A red for Ashton when playing fallin in tackle?seriously?!Also Tempo is looking more and more like a pork pie😅

Not sure why tigers fans are moaning about the red. He’s upright and it’s straight to the head. Had that been the other way and not given they would be frothing.

@Jeffisawesome536

Жыл бұрын

Minus murley being on his knees and it not being a dominant collision, but sure, theres no mitigation. Before you back tempest you might want to check nearly every tackle on jasper 😊

@alanpassingham5262

Жыл бұрын

It’s not deliberate, it’s not direct as player falling in to him so at worst it’s a yellow plus Ashton now misses out on a semifinal and a potentiometer final match at Twickenham

@richardclarke82008

Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure we could all pause the video and see a clear bend in his legs and his feet 2 inches from the floor. That means he's fallen in height. 😂

Does Ashton not want to win some silverware?

I Tempest is probably thee worst Ref in the league…..and I say that as a Quins supporter! Another shocker…..

Back to school, sir.

Nothing for challenge on Brown bad reffing again another game ruined

No that was a clear red

@karlosdeevs

Жыл бұрын

agree, i‘d have given a yellow due to the circumstances but yh

So close

Rugby is dying its those in charge of making the rules alongside these refs that are responsible. Its getting harder to watch

@karlosdeevs

Жыл бұрын

naking tge rules😂

How is not a card. For taking a man out in the air

@edgreenhalgh9559

Жыл бұрын

Because he didn't take the man out in the air. Hence no card. Quite simple really

@edgreenhalgh9559

Жыл бұрын

@Plucky Brit so he could have caught the ball

@richardclarke82008

Жыл бұрын

He moves sideways into brown and only gets about 1 foot off the ground. We've seen cards given all season for this type of thing.

COYQ 👏👏👏

These red cards are a joke…

what a mess.

What is with the refs nowadays?! They seem intent on ruining the game. It reminds me of the incessant government overreach we have now, the refs make repeated bad decisions and are far too keen to red card players which just ruins the game. At least in England. The Southern Hemisphere refs are a bit more level headed.

All these cards and penalty tries are ruining the game

Was actually an excellent decision with brown . The red card for ashton was ridiculous he couldnt dip any more

@niallbrowne9129

Жыл бұрын

yes, they used to criticism him for not tackling without any basis now they penalise him for not tackling correctly without any basis !!! and this is the man who has scored a hattrick both for England and also against England at Twickenham.! wankers!

Ref was poor. Did someone at Tigers insult his mother or something? A penalty try and a yellow is too harsh. Should give the attacking team the choice of either to make it interesting or just decide on one, not both. What happened to free kicks? What used to be free kicks are penalties and penalties have become cards.

@alistairclarke5895

Жыл бұрын

Out of all the decisions he made youre moaning about the penalty try and yellow? There were 0 problems with that, they always have to send off the offender if they can tell who it is

Quins fans are so annoying. Just like leinster fans defending barnes after their game oblivious to the ref single handily being their best player.

@karlosdeevs

Жыл бұрын

Defending Barnes? You should go ask the Ireland camp how many times he‘s done them wrong internationally..

@alistairclarke5895

Жыл бұрын

Cry

@Jeffisawesome536

Жыл бұрын

@@alistairclarke5895 proving the point babes

dead

One of the worst refereeing performances I’ve ever seen

I thought this was rugby not kiss-ball these so called red cards are ruining games. Very poor performance from the guy with the whistle and his tmo.

Sod this, I’m off to watch a better sport

@karlosdeevs

Жыл бұрын

Cheerio👋

COYQ ❤