I figured the Leica and Zeiss would be the top performers. The Nikon surprised me, and good for them. I've been so disappointed in Canon since the R mount was released, and for the sake of brevity, I won't list all those reasons here. But I'm slowly moving away from Canon all together. I might have to look into Nikon as an excellent replacement, alongside my Leica gear. Thank you for this comparison test! I know it's a lot of work.

@DavidHancock

3 ай бұрын

Thank you! The Nikon was solidly the star. I ALMOST bought a Z6II and that lens today. Very close. Anyway, Given that it's about $400, and was right there in a dead heat with a $1,100 and $2,800 lens, yeah, that's huge. Honestly, the amazing close focus it has is, for me, the biggest deal.

I very much appreciate the review - and as usual, I learned a lot. I'm not sure I understand why you kept the in camera or in PS distortion correction off for the Canon lens (and presumably for the Nikon ?), though. The lens is designed to be used with distortion correction on - and it's going to be used that way by almost every person who encounters it, simply because it's a native lens to the camera system. I do realize that other lenses in this comparison don't have that limitation, but those are presumably not going to be used with camera correction. I would prefer to see the lens used as intended - and if that in camera correction results in reduced or smeared detail near the corners, that's certainly a limitation that needs to be kept in mind. I certainly do NOT approve of Canon's decision to create lenses that don't function properly without distortion correction on, either. But, I'm not sure that dislike of the decision should be used this way in a review.

@DavidHancock

2 ай бұрын

Good and fair question and definitely something I struggled with on the Canon especially because Canon does seem to be designing lenses to work with in-camera software. And yes, I did leave lens corrections off on the Nikon, too. Here's a glimpse at what I thought about on that very topic for this video: So I decided to leave in-camera corrections off because I wanted to make as even a field as possible for all the lenses. I felt that if one lens had a software-based advantage that the test would no longer be about the lens but about the lens as well as the software used on one camera. And that would not have been an even comparison then. Also, the next big question becomes how much does the camera affect performance? Would my RP do a worse job with in-camera corrections than, say, an R5? I suspect yes, but have no way to prove that. So to that end, does my selection of camera give a lens an unfair edge or maybe even cause a bit of detriment to it? Would distortion correction introduce softness outside of the APS-C area because of pixel stretching (definitely possible) that would cause another element of lens performance to be judged unfairly? Those were some of the questions I asked myself as I say down to do this, as well the overarching issue that if I were to enable lens corrections for each camera I'd have no way to evaluate how much of the lens' performance was camera-based and how much was lens-based, and with three systems being tested, that was a problem for me to reconcile. I suppose that, in theory, I could use each camera with a lens I could mount on all three and then do some A-B testing on in-camera lens corrections (assuming they don't require direct input from the lenses themselves) to see how that would work. For at least the RP and Z6, IIRC, they will not offer lens corrections with unchipped lenses (such as the three Leica M lenses in this video) and that would mean that I couldn't establish a performance comparison baseline to use for evaluating how much the cameras actually altered lens performance in the first place. And then the question is that the Nikon performed stunningly well without in-camera corrections, which means an affordable lens of this spec can be made. If I'm going to compare a Canon lens to a similar modern lens and the Canon engineers are taking optical shortcuts to save money (my assumption) on the lens build, I don't know that I can let myself give them a pass on that with in-camera corrections when I'm not doing the same for the other lenses (especially since none of the other lenses needed in-camera corrections to perform well.) And since the other lenses, especially the Nikon, don't need that to perform wonderfully, well, I'm not going to give Canon a pass on taking shortcuts and making a sub-par product (compared to other lenses of the same spec) because when they do that it is, to my way of thinking, not in the best interests of their customer. I would have been mad, very mad, about the Canon lens' performance had I bought it. I would not have felt comfortable with myself of this video had I put my finger on the scale for the Canon by enabling in-camera corrections as that wouldn't actually make the lens itself better and it would be facilitating Canon's approach to selling consumer-tier lenses of making a product which is not as good as what their competitors make and selling it for the same or nearly the same price.

Your videos are very entertaining AND informative. I have both the Nikon and the Leica 28 mm lenses. Great discussion. RS. Canada

@DavidHancock

2 ай бұрын

Thank you, Richard! Did my experiences with those two lenses jibe with yours?

I have the Elmarit and while I have no other 28’s to compare it to, it simply feels and shows like a good performer.

@DavidHancock

3 ай бұрын

It is. It's a really good lens.

I must admit, I wish one of the Minolta 28s' made an appearance. Either the CLE Minolta 28, AF 28, or MD

@DavidHancock

3 ай бұрын

I was trying to keep this video to lenses currently in production. But, the Minolta AF 28mm f/2.8 will have its own video on June 10.

The Leica Elmarit-m is impressive. I am just curious how much better it would be compared to modern zoom lenses like the Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 G2.

@DavidHancock

3 ай бұрын

Good question and it's hard to say. Zoom and prime lenses are hard to compare in some ways.

Did the af use cause any reduction in quality?

@DavidHancock

3 ай бұрын

Shouldn't have. I try not to use AF for test photos because I know where I want the focus to be. So I typically use manual focus with magnification for focusing.

Blind guess: Nikon, Leica, Canon, Zeiss, BS End result - wow! The Zeiss held up far better than I'd expected, given the older optical formula. The Canon is apparently just as bad as the 16mm RF that I returned. Great stuff David!

@DavidHancock

3 ай бұрын

Solid guess and the Nikon, especially given the price, was something else.

It's like my fictional Grandpa Stockwell always told me: "Always put your money on a German optical company which has been in business since the mid-1800s." 📷

@DavidHancock

3 ай бұрын

You know, that's solid advice.

the elmarit eats them all

@DavidHancock

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, it performed way better than I expected it to.

I think you’re a Nikon lover 😂

@DavidHancock

3 ай бұрын

I'm pretty brand agnostic and shoot a lot of different gear. My big thing is how much I like an individual piece of equipment.

Not one bad lens in the lineup besides the BS.

@DavidHancock

3 ай бұрын

Oh man, I might say two. I hated the Canon. Honestly, I'd take the BS over the Canon.