In CR canon Vex saved herself from the poachers and found a baby bear. When she found her brother she said "You have your stolen trinkets and now I have mine".

The designers confirmed that they named the big monster the "Onlooker." XD

@keithwiechart7744

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely not at all related to the Beholder for copyright reasons.

The crew were talking about why they made Zahra be the one to spawn the monster and they were saying that instead of just randomly happening along monsters in the show they like to tie them to character and story. So they found it more interesting if Zahra would release it and it get out of her control than to just happen upon a beholder type monster in the tomb.

@belindaluna2067

Жыл бұрын

Eh.....I don't' like it myself. I was really on board with the alternate history they came up with for Z, Kash and the Slayers' Take up to this point, but I have some major problems with the characterization here. For one, it feels weird that Zahra was the one who had the history with Vex but it's Kash who was like "No, we have to help save her." Not only that, but Zahra was actively saying things like: "It's no use, she's gone, there's no point." That just feels backwards, and it could've been a good moment to endear them both to the audience, despite the shady shit they had pulled up until that point and were still going to. For another, I also thought it was weird that Kash got bothered by the Be Roper fight at all. Zahra straight up told him that they'd just wait for it to petrify everyone and then take the Vestige and he didn't voice a complaint. Then he gets bothered about the thing doing what Zahra said it would do for some reason? If they'd established a danger from shattering the petrified members of VM it would be one thing, but as is even if it petrifies all of them that wouldn't hurt them. So there isn't a clear reason for him to decide "Okay, this is too far." I think a better way to set up this fight would've been if either they'd seen drawings of the thing in the fresh blood earlier on (which establishes the fish Be Roper cult that was in the stream, and even gives a reason why so many of them are gathered in the temple: it's for their god thing, plus adds foreshadowing) or have Zahra just straight up tell them they can't keep the Vestige without proving their worth and then unleashing the monster on them. Then it's only when Vax starts kicking its ass by himself that they're like "Oh damn, he _is_ worthy." and start fixing everybody and helping with the fight. Or you know, some other way. It just felt like a sort of artificial conflict and drama build up that was not needed at best, and hurt Zahra's character at worst.

@iCyberDev

Жыл бұрын

@@belindaluna2067 TO BE FAIR. Kash seems to be a paladin, and irreguardless of it all, he might have just felt this surge of morality and a line he can't cross... whether he was friends with vex and crew was irrelevant... Z having a background with Vex, and if Vex screwed her over in her mind, it wont stop her from hesitating. also i havent watched the campaign (saving it) but i heard that having Z get it from the locket instead of stumbling on it was also a good way to get trinket in the show this time more casually than just drawing him in the background or explaining how they reunited with him every time a town got hit etc.. which is something that im on board with

@elbruces

Жыл бұрын

@@belindaluna2067 Worked okay for me. I can see Zahra's point. First of all, the worst that would happen is that the monster petrifies them, which Kash can fix. She puts the monster back in the locket and everything is fine. Given what she knows about Vax & Vex (that they're untrustworthy thieves) they shouldn't be allowed to make off with a Vestige. Assuming they're "unworthy" (which is a fair assumption from what she knows about them) they're just going to sell it off and put it out there in the world, where it will eventually fall into the wrong hands. Way better to yoink it from them and keep it safe for Osysa. I think this episode just failed to communicate her perspective to the audience. Anybody who goes "against" the protagonists of the show is likely to be disliked, unless they have a big redemption arc. Or unless you think about where she's coming from.

@belindaluna2067

Жыл бұрын

@@elbruces I don't have that big a problem with her throwing the monster at them. Like I said, it was obvious the petrification didn't hurt them. What bothers me is that, despite that, it bothered Kash for reasons that weren't exactly clear. Mostly I don't like that it was ineffectively used to drum up conflict between the two that felt contrived and unneeded. Plus her pulling that makes everyone ending things on good terms later feel kind of unrealistic. As I said, I think it would've made more sense if she'd been upfront with them about what she was doing, why she was doing it, and that the creature's abilities wouldn't permanently hurt them. This gives VM more leeway to not be mad at her later, especially after they all come to and see how powerful the Vestige really is when Vax is using it to basically fight the thing they were all struggling with together by himself. And I would've had her begrudgingly encouraging Kash to try to the ritual, maybe while warning VM that it was unlikely to work and this was why they shouldn't have come down there looking for the Vestige. Telling them that they're in over their heads and if they'd faced that fact earlier Vex wouldn't have gotten hurt. (Which makes what Vax does with the armor later on all the more satisfying.)

@Anduril74871

Жыл бұрын

I think the reason it works for me is because, unlike the original campaign, the group has no connection with Zahra and Kash, just the twins and the twins basically screwed over the Slayer's Take and didn't stick around to pay it back, which is PERFECTLY in character with pre-Vox Machina Vex and Vax. Up until they became a group and started working together, the twins were solely focused on themselves and cared very little for anyone else's shit. They were very much out for themselves. When VM and Zahra originally met, there was tension that wasn't broken until Zahra and Vex sat down and shared stories about their shitty fucking parents, and they weren't on totally friendly terms until they slayed a white dragon together. In THIS telling of events, Zahra and Vex never had that conversation, the twins killed their bounty and fucked off with the rewards, and thus the last thing Zahra knew was that they were untrustworthy.

A "first look" deal basically means that when a creator comes up with something for a show/film, the ones they have a deal with have the opportunity to say they will make it or not before it can be shopped around to other distributors. In CR's case, if they made a film for something like Calamity, they'd present it to Amazon first, then if Amazon passed they could see if anyone else was interested.

Before this incident Liam was thinking about having Vax talk to Pike about becoming a paladin of 'The Everlight' but, after this, it became obvious who he would serve.

Sam came out a while back and said they are aiming to have 5 seasons of LoVM, which honestly makes perfect sense and would be enough to cover the rest of the VM story, and in line for the M9 series to come out soon after.

@theanyktos

Жыл бұрын

Spoilers Especially because you could really hit home the whole Bard's Lament thing with having Scanlan actually be absent for a season. With maybe the occasional scene showing what he's doing.

now that you said it... a Movie about EXU:Calamity would be awesome !

@TeroTheShortOne

Жыл бұрын

If they do it, they HAVE to have Brennan as Asmodeus, there's no way anyone else can deliver those lines like him.

@CrownofMischief

Жыл бұрын

@@JaayCeez right? The first thing that popped to mind when they mentioned a movie deal was EXU: Calamity

@billberndtson

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! 😃 With Brennan as REDACTED!

@JaayCeez

Жыл бұрын

@Bill Berndtson That HAS to be a must too!

@operative2136

Жыл бұрын

Wholeheartedly agree! 100% Yes. Yes. Yes.

One big positive in this continuity: Mr. Steal Your Girl didn’t get to steal Kiki’s first kiss as he walked away. Also, it’s so cool that they changed the Deathwalker’s Ward to include the effect of the Boots of Haste. It hurt to see Baby Trinket. And then we have THE line: _”Take me instead, you raven bitch!”_ “Everything’s changed.” Sure has. Anything goes now, especially in this adaptation. 14:33 Also, I see you Kiki. You liked what you saw. 😊 It’s okay, you can be a little thirsty. As a treat.

Here's a fun thing for the kickstarter. The original funding goal was reached in about 45 minutes! ($750,000). After 24 hours, it was just over $4.3 million raised. Now that's some mad enthusiasm - especially since most of those donations would have been knowing fully that all the goals and stretch goals were completely met by an extraordinary margin.

I have watched the campaign, but IDK if talking about Vecna here isn't a major spoiler for the people that never watched campaign 1. And the monster is kind of knew in this episode, they fought a Beholder i believe before Vex died. So here they put a "copyright friendly" version of the Beholder.

@undeathghost5627

Жыл бұрын

A creature that was clarified in the watch party as being an "Onlooker" (Likely a homebrew creation by Matt, since I dont personally find it familiar?).

Wendy asked about the bright yellow tether between Vax and Vex being severed by the Matron of Ravens (ie the Raven Queen). Think about that next time you watch the intro. A raven flies over and shoots out bright yellow tethers to each member of Vox Machina. Also, the Matron of Ravens despises *all* undead, not just liches. Undeath is a perversion of the natural order which she upholds. So any kind of undead or necromancy are unwanted in her eyes.

Also remember, The Matron is the Goddess of Death, but also Fate. Which will explain further into why she chooses Vax, and why she decided it was time to acquire a new Champion for the times to come, instead of just sticking to the rules of universal law with Vex's death, and Vax's plea.

Seriously guys. There's a lot out there. But you're reactions guys are really the best. Your enthusiasm and enjoyment is so refreshing. Love what you're doing.

@Kasino80

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Top five VM reactions (no perticular order) are in my book: The movie couple pReviewed FunnyLilGal Reacts Omn1media Late to the party.

I adore that the episode makes it clear Vax wasn't meant to win his fight against Purvan. It was always a lesson. And also how cool were those threads of fate?! The twin emotional connection wasn't changed by this. Those threads are different than emotional connections. Based on the watchalong, they won't go into his wife, but all the stuff from the campaign involving her is canon in the show, per Matt.

@colleenbooth2648

Жыл бұрын

With just this short intro to Kasha, and the episode not focusing on him, it feels like it would be too much to get into his "god". Plus his "god" sounds like an evil death god and I think it would have been confusing, while also introducing the Matron of Ravens as a death god. Two death gods in one episode it too much for the condensed version of their campaign in this show.

@flintmakesmusic6039

Жыл бұрын

I think the emotional connection starts to change. Vax always only had his sister, they were on their own together. Travelling with VM was already something new for them. Now he has to serve the Raven Queen, their old life ended. Nothing is as it was before...

The armor is actually kind of perfect for death’s champion. It like death itself it makes the wearer nigh unstoppable and so fast they can strike from anywhere. As for the necklace to keep Trinket in, can we call it what it is, it’s a pokéball!!! And yeah I’m with you Wendy, that Trinket scene got me.😢

@cryofpaine

Жыл бұрын

They combined the armor with Vax's Boots of Haste he had in the campaign. But it makes so much sense for the armor to give him that speed instead.

They had to change the monster a bit because beholder is owned by Wizards of the Coast.

I think Mat had intended the deathwalkers ward for Percy but when Vax tried making a bargin with the Raven queen in her temple the story pivoted and the fate meant for percy became Vax's.

@TBoring

Жыл бұрын

Um Actually *pushes up anime glasses* Matt said in the campaign wrap up that Deathwalker’s Ward and Cabal’s Ruin weren’t designed with anyone in particular in mind. In fact with 5 party members that consistently used leather armor (Vex, Vax, Percy, Scanlan, and Keyleth) it could’ve been any one of them. Laura did lament Vex not getting it because of its Exalted abilities.

@ShadowyFox_86

Жыл бұрын

@Tyler Boring While Matt did say that in the campaign wrap up, he also mentioned the three most likely to gain it (Vex, Vax, and Percy) and has implied in several panels that Percy was the one it was designed originally for. Matt knows the group well enough not to just shoehorn his players into things, so he made sure it would work for several people if the story went that way.

@DaDunge

Жыл бұрын

@@ShadowyFox_86 He sort of did that with Vex iin the Feywild arc, he ompletly missjudged who she thought her charcter was, that said he had a plan for the eventuallity that happened, and I dont think heäs made a missjudgement like that ever again.

Well, you're almost right😂 it's a 'legally-distinct-from-a-beholder' aka an 'Onlooker'

Vax versus the "Onlooker" is basically Neo in the Matrix: "Where's Neo?" "He's doin' his Superman thing."

This episode is 🔥 front to back. The animators must have been drooling at the storyboards itching to bring that action to life.

16:24 Travis said he put that in there cause he likes lurking on reaction videos.

14:14 Such a hero pose! Even better than a three point landing! Loved Wendy's reaction to that scene. Really you both have been so much fun to watch!

The CR team in the Twitch watch along party (which people should really watch, they're amazing) talked about why they changed so much this season. A lot of it was to make it more visual, but some of it was to make it different for the long-term fans, so they don't know what to expect!

in the watch parties they pretty much said they weren't really able to include the whole story with Kash's wife in the animated series

Based on their announcements, season 1 of the Mighty Nein (their second campain) should come out about six months after Vox Machina's 3rd season drops. Now that you've seen the significance of the raven and the threads of fate/destiny, go re-watch the intro sequence again. You know, the one that's been there since the show started. They're calling this crature an "Onlooker."

🎶You got those moves with dagger You got those moo-oo-oo-ooves with dagger🎶

I think we'll get 5 seasons, it would be a perfect length for this show. Season 3 would be Chroma Conclave Part 2, Season 4 could be the Darington year (there is a plenty they could build upon here aswell like expanding Keyleth's Aramente since I don't think she's done Earth part on the show yet) and Season 5 be Vecna's arc.

@Anduril74871

Жыл бұрын

I don't know if one season would be enough for all of the fight against The Whispered One, though, and we have to have the stuff with Tary, so I'm not sure. Maybe 6 seasons lol

@JackOfBlackPhoenix

Жыл бұрын

@@Anduril74871 I am pretty confident it would be more than enough, Vecna arc was actually pretty short (15 episodes, same length as Briarwood and Tary arc's), especially compared to Conclave (44 episodes)

@cryofpaine

Жыл бұрын

She'll probably do Earth next season. Water was part of their time with Tary, so that would make sense for season 4.

@JackOfBlackPhoenix

Жыл бұрын

@@cryofpaine Possibly, I'm not sure if there will be enough time to cram Earth aramente into the Conclave arc though, which is why I was thinking they might transplant that part into the Tary arc so she'd do both Earth and Water in Season 4. Either way, it definitely has to be done before Vecna since they need to able to teleport to Terrah quickly in order to get to Sprigg

@cryofpaine

Жыл бұрын

@@JackOfBlackPhoenix that could work. Honestly, I don't remember much of the Tary arc so I don't know how much there is to cover. Pike's family, Tary's family, and finishing Keyleth's Aramente, that's all I remember. So there could be room.

I think there is going to be a season 4 and 5 of VM. But after S1 and 2 or M9. Feel like that way the animators won't get burnt out. And also can come back refreshed. It makes sense too because VM took a bit of break. After CC arc and before the final arc.

@SgtPriad

Жыл бұрын

I am not so sure that the M9 will be the same animation Studio. They might use another Studio to not overwork Titmouse and to be able to alternate releasing VM and M9 seasons

That locket is totally like Pokeball for Trinket and Vax became the speedster,thanks to this armour :)

For anyone interested in the mechanics of the Vestiges of Divergence, since Dustin mentioned that they "power up." In Matt's D&D books, they have 3 stages. They all begin as "dormant" +1 magic items, then they can become "awakened" where their bonuses are bumped to +2, and they acquire new abilities. Finally, they can reach "exalted," where they become +3 legendary items, with a slew of powerful abilities and buffs. In the scene where Vax is fighting Purvan, he accepts his death and succeeds the test. The Matron then appears and touches the armor, alighting it with runes. This is the armor moving into its "awakened" state.

02:45 Agreed. 😃 I want Tarryon Darington animated! Travis? Are you lurking? ❤🧡💛💚💙💜 We need Doty to take this down; please, please, please Tary us!

@markm1261

Жыл бұрын

How about The Adventures of Tarryyon Darington Brigade one shot

@billberndtson

Жыл бұрын

@@markm1261 Maybe that'll be the movie in the new deal? 🤣🤣🤣 I admit, I hope if the movie is animated, it's Calamity.

A great detail is the moment Purvon would strike the killing blow in the flash the Deathwalkers Ward moves from him to Vax

it’s technically a beholder however they can’t copy WOTC so this is their version. They merged the sunken tomb stuff with their fight between Clarota “a mind flayer” and K’Varn (a beholder) in Yug’Voril deep underneath Kraghammer where they resuced Lady Kima in the campaign!

So glad to have you guys back! Looking forward to this batch of reactions!

I think that was Nott The Beholder.

@TheMovieCouple

Жыл бұрын

Lolll

@GameMasterToolbox

Жыл бұрын

@@TheMovieCouple Sam has name the nott Beholder as the Onlooker in a watch party.

I believe that the reason Vax keeps having these visions, in this episode and beyond, is that the Matron of Ravens has a feeling about what is coming and needs to address Vax personally, something that is difficult without him being in an actual, functioning temple. While yes, the Tomb of Purvan Suul was her domain(which I believe is confirmed to be why Kash's Revivify NEEDED the full ritual rather than just the DC check, despite it being for a quick resurrection), it is not a temple where it is much easier for the gods to have a slightly more direct interaction with their followers(hence why Pike had to journey to a temple of the Everlight to talk directly to her in S1).

They did fight a Beholder prior to Vex's death. That's why she was low enough to be killed by the trap.

The vestiges power up when you defet or overcome a personal huge chalenge as i remember they have 3 stages and they got the armor in the second phase

@ShadowyFox_86

Жыл бұрын

But those things have to tie into the item in question. We saw that talked about with Mythcarver specifically.

Yes, the vestiges have an "awakened" form. Although I got the impression that that's what the Purvon fight was about. Vax proved his worth so the Matron turned on the special features. We'll see if they do the whole awakening quest or not. It would be a lot to cram into just one season. Spoilers: Since we already know how this season goes, by the end they'll still have 3 or 4 vestiges, 3 dragons, and possibly Ripley, left to fight. That's a lot for 12 episodes. So I think they'll skip "awakening" the vestiges.

So same on Mighty Nein and the pandemi. I random video from Ginny Di popped up in my youtube feed titled how to start watching critical role, or something like that. I had no clue what critical role was but i clicked the lady with bright seafoam hair. She explained how much there was to watch and how it might be easiest to skip C1 and start C2 to catch up with the live shows then go back to C1 if you become starved for content. Which I did. I started C2 Ep1 March 2020 while CR was on their covid hiatus. I had just left my job due to how my company was treating covid and not taking it serious enough. I started watching multiple 4 hour episodes a day. I was able to catch up and finish episode 99 the day before CR came back from their covid hiatus with their new distancing protocols. Mighty Nein got me through the pandemi. I owe those characters my sanity. Nothing else gets that credit. No video games i was playing. No books. No work. It was purely the Mighty Nein for legit 8 hours a day.

Glad you're both healthy and well again. You were missed!

People probably already told you, but in the campaign, the tomb had been infested with a beholder. So they had that fight before, iirc, what happened to Vex. But since they are ACTIVELY avoiding ANY reference to ANY offical or copyrighted dnd stuff, this monster is what they made instead. That said...this was probably the monster that has felt most...generic (?) so far.

It's the non copyrighted beholder stand in.

@TheMovieCouple

Жыл бұрын

Hahahaha

I have been waiting for you guys to react to this!!! The season overall has been phenomenal and I cannot wait for you to react to the rest of the episodes. And I think the thread is more to do with Fate than a familial or emotional connection- the Raven Queen is also the deity of Fate and Winter in Exandria. They did this with Season 1 as well but there are parts that they have had to either skip or meld together with others. And there are some new bits that take us off the grid so that we can't predict everything. I still think it has worked out beautifully and I'm sat here waiting for next Friday when the last 3 episodes air.

It's great to see yous back I missed your vox machina reactions

I missed you guys! Hope you had a good time and looking forward to your reactions.

Its not called selling your soul when it a a god. I believe its called making a covenant.

Season 4 would probably be the Taryon arc, while season 5 would be the Vecna arc, but in all seriousness they could split the last arc into two seasons as well

Ahhhh... 1 vestige down, only a few more to go. Also, the more you die, the higher that base DC gets.

I love how you`re incorpopating clips from the campaign into your reaction! I have an impression that Kashaw here doesn`t have his backstory with this wife at all, and if it`s the case, I`m happy to see him more relaxed and positive. But I wonder if they *will* tell us his story. You`re remember correctly the story with Purvan`s wolf :3 The negotiations with the wolf were amazing on the stream

i believe the first look deal is for M9 its basically they signed a deal to shoot one season and can be up for more seaons. hopefully this opens the door for more shows eventually for C3 and id love a movie for calamity.

@ahunterohio

Жыл бұрын

Spoilers Also they may use a full season to do a flashback to the prestream game involving pikes death and also them killing the slayers take prize so i wouldnt be shocked if we get some filler seasons with how quick they release episodes

Vax not fighting and letting himself get hit gave me bleach ichigo vibes. Lol literally I thought of ichigo when he fought his zanpakuto

I think they indicated in one of the watch-alongs they dropped Kash's wife/mentions with Will's agreement because of how creepy/dubcon some of it is, and to streamline the story.

10:20 Beholders are the IP of WotC. Hence this is something that replaces a beholder.

@dustinperkins5580

Жыл бұрын

In the watch party they showed some concept art, and called it an "Observer"

@AdamEspersona

Жыл бұрын

@@dustinperkins5580 Onlooker

@dustinperkins5580

Жыл бұрын

@@AdamEspersona you're correct, my mistake

@kamikyo

Жыл бұрын

Someone has a thesaurus. I love it. Can't wait to see the brainpeelers and the jellied hexahedron. 😅

Gonna have a not a spoiler but something you just gained context for this episode after a bunch of skips but also on the wolf I love that the matron of RAVENS lead a champion with a WOLF. When in real life wolves and ravens team up for hunts sometimes. Now that you have seen the golden thread tied to the Matron of RAVENS rewatch the opening for each episode. The theme song part not each episodes part before the song.

I was so happy when I saw that Vex came back to life. I figured she would, but still, I was so happy that she wasn’t dead. Even though I’ve seen all of the other episodes, I’m still very curious about the raven girl and the raven girl and the armor. I loved seeing the flashback with Vax and Vex finding Trinket, it was very sad but cute. I also enjoyed the comedy in this episode. I was also very shocked at the end of the episode to see Anna, definitely wasn’t expecting it.

If you read into the details of the deal Amazon just made with CR, Amazon has basically written them a blank check for the most part.

The monster was so cool!! They did fight a beholder in the tomb but can't use a beholder in this show. In the watch party they called it a “onlooker”. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZHiLvLFmepfgoNY.html

they added the monster and to stay away from D&D IP I think they called this monster and ON Looker

This is of course the famous Definitely-Not-A-Beholder-For-Legal-Reasons that they are fighting...

So in the original campaign they actually did fight a beholder in Purvaan's tomb. But with the beholder being an owned property of D&D and wanting to have this be all their own thing, it got switched to the beholder-esque type creature instead.

@CrownofMischief

Жыл бұрын

The crew called it an "Onlooker" XD

Where did you guys get those dope jerseys???

They couldn't use a Beholder due to copyright!

Where did they get those jerseys from.

not-a-beholder-for-legal-reasons

21:30 More like the matron of ravens' new toy (Vax that is).

oh the final arc has to be another 2 seasons, right? There was so much going on, right?

Where'd yall get those crew shirts?

@TheMovieCouple

Жыл бұрын

Prime Video sent it over 🙌🏼🙏🏼

Legally Distinct Eye-Monster for the win 😂

@TheMovieCouple

Жыл бұрын

Hahahaha

-Possible Spoilers- Unfortunatley i dont think they were able to uses kash's patron because Vesh is a WOTC creation i believe

The thumbnail still says episode 3.

@TheMovieCouple

Жыл бұрын

Oops thanks for catching that. Will fix it later tonight.

*Spoiler Alert* . . . I theorize season 4 being The Adventures of Taryon Darrington and finishing Keyleth's Aremente, then season 5 is The Whispered One.

Would you guys be willing to react to the anime Demon Slayer? I think you guys would love it!

When will we get your reactions to the latest 2 episodes of Bad Batch Season 2, Wendy? I need them before the 2-part episode we’re getting on Wednesday.

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